Learning and Discussing about Sun in the 10th

[byjove]

1. Can a more 'dominant' Sun sign weaken or dominate a more 'subserviant' AC?

2. Do planets e.g. Sun in the 10th usually represent anything about the parents?

(this one says it represents mother's ambitions)

http://mystarworld.com/content/plane...10th_house.asp

3. This quote comes from the above linked page : "Your Sun Profile potentials are most likely to be central to the nature and pursuance of your actual career". Can anyone add to this? My first reaction is to re-learn about natural career tendencies and advantages associated with the Sun sign.

4. Regardless of usual interpreations, going instead for practical experience, what do people think about intercepted Suns? (Mine progressed out of interception quite young)

5. Is it possible that the visibility of the 10th may mean that perhaps others see things in us (10th house planets generally) that we may not be aware about ourselves?

6. Is a socio-economic context the only reference to place in society? Or can the planets and their strengths in the 10th (or weaknesses) alter this?

[LonelyRed]

hi byjove,

I'm going to try to answer your questions!

Originally Posted by byjove

1. Can a more 'dominant' Sun sign weaken or dominate a more 'subserviant' AC?

I am assuming you meant MC here.

I always thought it was more that the two blended to create a theme. Like, as an example, if one is, such as myself, a Cancer Sun with a Scorpio MC, a blend between those two would indicate a career direction linked to healing of some kind. Or, if say, someone is an Aries, like yourself, but has a Scorpio MC, I might seek the link between the two which might be Mars, and ascertain that this person would do well in a career that allows, requires them even, to express a significant amount of physical energy, such as a sports, or a coach of some kind, even an executive. Another example might be, Sun Sign Gemini, MC in Pisces, to which I might suggest a career direction that allows for a functional blend of both of these energies, such as a Librarian.


I'm not sure then, that I would say that a Sun Energy can overpower the MC, since I think it all blends together to form a whole picture. But that's just me. I suppose someone could say that if the 10th house energies represent who we are in terms of our achievements, then perhaps if the nature of those energies clash with the Sun Sign, the person may feel inclined to go with one over the other, depending on which one seem is easier or more productive. I don't look at charts that way though. It is more holistic for me. To me, the MC is the highest point which represents the energies which characterize the 10th house and all that it entails. The Sun as the Sun Sign cannot exist without the chart, and therefore the MC, and vice versa, so the two work together to give a whole image of this person's stellar soul.

Originally Posted by byjove

2. Do planets e.g. Sun in the 10th usually represent anything about the parents?

(this one says it represents mother's ambitions)

http://mystarworld.com/content/plane...10th_house.asp

I didn't look at the page you provided. I will say though, that I have heard that. I think it has to do with the 10th houses's relationship to the 4th, and the whole of your upbringing. I also know that if you see the 4th house as representative of your Mother and how you experienced her, and what you came to expect of her, than opposite that, the 10th house, would be how your Mother experienced you and what she expects of you. I'm not sure if that makes any sense but I considered the same logic that is applied to Horaries with chart-turning. I would unite Mother and Father together and apply this to both of their attitudes.

Originally Posted by byjove

3. This quote comes from the above linked page : "Your Sun Profile potentials are most likely to be central to the nature and pursuance of your actual career". Can anyone add to this? My first reaction is to re-learn about natural career tendencies and advantages associated with the Sun sign.

Your chart revolves around the Sun, so everything can be linked to the Sun. If the 10th house represents the height of your Ego (as in Sun, not "bad ego") driven ambitions and achievements, then the Sun lights the way. Your Sun has to be in agreement with the profession you choose, including active (as in chosen, not socially-prescribed) home-making. Or else you'll be unhappy. Your Sun represents your point of maturation, the direction you head, and as the natural ruler of the 10th, Saturn, the 10th house represents the direction the Sun takes to grow and develop. It used the word "central" which I might imagine as a magnet, pulling you to choose professions that allow you to express yourself and also satisfy you.

Originally Posted by byjove

4. Regardless of usual interpreations, going instead for practical experience, what do people think about intercepted Suns? (Mine progressed out of interception quite young)

I don't know much, but I would imagine that an intercepted Sun, which is intercepted because of the placement of the ASC, suggests that something about the outlook of the person, doesn't suit the objectives of their Sun, and this person will have to spend a duration of time reaping the benefits and lessons of this dis-ease, for the sake of the maturation of the Sun and the opening of the ASC view-point. It could also indicate shyness, as the happy-to-express-itself-Sun is halted by one's world view, reservedness, or perhaps some health problems.

Originally Posted by byjove

5. Is it possible that the visibility of the 10th may mean that perhaps others see things in us (10th house planets generally) that we may not be aware about ourselves?

I think that the 10ths house association with Saturn means it has less to do with how other people see us, which might be more like the 11th house, and more with how we come to be seen in the world, our identification beyond romantic, platonic, or familial, or even business, but the name we claim for ourselves and earn. Like Saturn and its association with time, I don't think we become wholly aware of this, but that it evolves in time.

I think though, also, depending on the chart, someone may have the particular experience of being unaware of their potential, presence, or power (i.e. 10th house), but I would not chalk that up to that person's 10th house alone, you know what I mean? I think it is possible that the 10th house energies can remain eclipsed from someone until they grow and experience the world though.

Originally Posted by byjove

6. Is a socio-economic context the only reference to place in society? Or can the planets and their strengths in the 10th (or weaknesses) alter this?

Forgive me, I might be stupid, but I'm not sure what you're asking.

[LonelyRed]

Oh my gosh! I just realized I kind of answered this all wrong...

Um, byjove, are you looking to discuss what happens under these specific conditions?

The MC is in a different sign than the Sun which in this example, is in the 10th house?


-LR

[byjove]

Thank you for your insight!

1. I was thinking about the interplay between the Sun and the AC rather the MC, but I'm curious about what you said nonetheless.

2. I think you're saying that the Sun (especially in the 10th) would hold a strong defining path in career-choice, and even if other incompatabile careers are tried, eventually the person would be attracted to a more suitable career choice for the Sun sign?

3. I hope interceptions don't work as you suggest they could - I really, really hope not! (for my sake lol)

4. Everything I was talking about the 10th was as it being the house of highest elevation - and I believe it is generally that planets here are obvious to other people about us from a mile away, and I'm curious how that works. Plus, I've a wide 10th Sun square AC, might this lead to better self-awareness? An example of a 'hard' aspect benefiting the native?

5. As for socio-economic status and 10th house planets, I've generally read that planets acting as positive influences in money areas of a chart are directly relevant to the place in society and wealth that the native has already. Elevation in that chain and it's reflection in the chart are connected to one's current circumstances.

Hmm...

[LonelyRed]

Originally Posted by byjove

Thank you for your insight!

You're very welcome, sorry it was um, not really what you were asking about.

Originally Posted by byjove

1. I was thinking about the interplay between the Sun and the AC rather the MC, but I'm curious about what you said nonetheless.

Well, I could certainly answer the questions based on that. I'm sorry I *corrected* you!

Originally Posted by byjove

1. 1. Can a more 'dominant' Sun sign weaken or dominate a more 'subserviant' AC?

I have skimmed a bit of Jodie Forrest's "The Ascendant," a little while back, and based on my reading from that, she says this is absolutely possible, and can be as issue for the native, career questions aside. The ascendant is kind of your mask and also a shield, what you present to people before you let them and take in the energy of your Sun. It is protective. If you do not identify with the ASC, or use it to your advantage, this can leave your Sun very weak and drained. I myself am a Cancer with a Capricorn ASC, and I definitely am learning about how, though my warm 7th house Sun wants to know and get along with everyone, I need to, for the sake of my ASC, be very clear about what I expect, not to get to do too much for others, and not let others take advantage of me.

In terms of these energies playing out and propelling one towards a career, I would have to think that for a person to find a suitable career, no matter how much stronger the Sun might be than the ASC (and I think the ASC is always strong because its a point in the chart and is the starting point OF the chart for without which the Sun cannot be wholly understood), these two have to work together, or else the person suffers burn-out, or unhappiness.

I know for me, I have many planets in Capricorn conjunct the ASC (Moon, Mars, and Neptune), and I have had to deal with the fact that even though I'd love to be a teacher or professor, this may not make the most sense in terms of the stability and security I desire.

Originally Posted by byjove

2. Do planets e.g. Sun in the 10th usually represent anything about the parents?

(this one says it represents mother's ambitions)

http://mystarworld.com/content/plane...10th_house.asp

I kind of touched upon this in my first post but I guess I'll say a little more. I definitely think the 10th house can store, at least while the person is growing up, the influences of everyone around them, including the parents, to shape and form the individual and what the seek to do with themselves. The 10th house gives you information about how others receive you. I'm not sure if it is the Mother's ambitions precisely, but in the Western World, the 10th house will be chock full of everyone's ideas of who you are, and what you should be doing in the world at large. How could it not, is my thinking...

Ok, so now I'll go back to your responses to my first post, and hopefully everything will blend... you let me know.

Originally Posted by byjove

2. I think you're saying that the Sun (especially in the 10th) would hold a strong defining path in career-choice, and even if other incompatabile careers are tried, eventually the person would be attracted to a more suitable career choice for the Sun sign?

It just has to be so lovely and ideal to have your Sun in the 10th. Or maybe that's all of my Capricorn talking. If anything I think this person will have an easier time finding a career that is in tune with how they see themselves and what resonates, and other considerations aside, be well-received in the career of their choice. Most certainly this person has the marvelous opportunity of really finding a career that is satisfying, which many people don't experience. If we look at the Sun as representative, in the abstract sense, of Leo energies, there is a bright, sure, fixed sense of purpose, and the desire to be well-received and to express one's self. This is the Sun's natural path, and in the 10th house, this is an excellent place to do it in. I can't fathom that this person would struggle too much in finding where to go with themselves if their Sun is in the 10th, but they may be acutely aware of the pressures around them to perform, and the expectations. Even the Sun needs a break and this person will have to be concerned with developing their home life as a safe haven and a place to recharge, and that the people around them don't expect too much of them. I'd have to think that as long as this person stays on top of their limits, they most surely will be drawn to the ideal career for them.

Originally Posted by byjove

3. I hope interceptions don't work as you suggest they could - I really, really hope not! (for my sake lol)

I have interceptions too... Um, let me see what I wrote...

Originally Posted by lonelyred

I don't know much, but I would imagine that an intercepted Sun, which is intercepted because of the placement of the ASC, suggests that something about the outlook of the person, doesn't suit the objectives of their Sun, and this person will have to spend a duration of time reaping the benefits and lessons of this dis-ease, for the sake of the maturation of the Sun and the opening of the ASC view-point. It could also indicate shyness, as the happy-to-express-itself-Sun is halted by one's world view, reservedness, or perhaps some health problems.

Oh I don't know, it doesn't seem that bad! It seems pretty typical, as there are many people who maybe feel like they don't fit, which can indicate shyness or reserve of some kind, or just concern with one's self and how they come across. If your Sun is vessel of self-expression, and your ASC is your outlook, you may simply feel like, given with how you look at the world, that you don't fit. These are your primary placements, so it really stems from you, and you can be critical of yourself, or concerned. If the ASC is the shield, maybe it means that you don't always shield yourself as you need to, or you are more guarded than you need to be. There is also of course, the chance of health problems, but since its the Sun, I'd say simply basic vitality- like you get a cold when you are stressed. Nothing too horrific!

Originally Posted by byjove

4. Everything I was talking about the 10th was as it being the house of highest elevation - and I believe it is generally that planets here are obvious to other people about us from a mile away, and I'm curious how that works. Plus, I've a wide 10th Sun square AC, might this lead to better self-awareness? An example of a 'hard' aspect benefiting the native?

Doesn't a hard aspect always have some benefit? I'm not sure if I would see a 6 degree orb as far, but I will say that the Sun square ASC really isn't all the bad, it just may have to do with shyness issues, or insecurities, but as you said, this can help because it encourages you to be more self-aware and understand how you work and where you feel most comfortable, which is very important for someone who has a Sun in the 10th house. This self-awareness will be very necessary for the fulfillment Sun in the 10th house, and your Moon in Virgo.

Originally Posted by byjove

5. As for socio-economic status and 10th house planets, I've generally read that planets acting as positive influences in money areas of a chart are directly relevant to the place in society and wealth that the native has already. Elevation in that chain and it's reflection in the chart are connected to one's current circumstances.

I'm not sure, since wouldn't transits and progressions change that? Thus, don't these placements speak to potential, attitude, and desire?

-LR

[byjove]

Thank you for the reply! There's a lot to think about...I've a feeling this could become my personal reference for this issue in the future...and you have a very positive, optimistic view of things

[LonelyRed]

Originally Posted by byjove

Thank you for the reply! There's a lot to think about...I've a feeling this could become my personal reference for this issue in the future...and you have a very positive, optimistic view of things

Oh well, how grand! You're welcome. And thank-you.

[astrologer50]

Originally Posted by byjove

Thank you for your insight!

1. I was thinking about the interplay between the Sun and the AC rather the MC, but I'm curious about what you said nonetheless.

2. I think you're saying that the Sun (especially in the 10th) would hold a strong defining path in career-choice, and even if other incompatabile careers are tried, eventually the person would be attracted to a more suitable career choice for the Sun sign?

3. I hope interceptions don't work as you suggest they could - I really, really hope not! (for my sake lol)

4. Everything I was talking about the 10th was as it being the house of highest elevation - and I believe it is generally that planets here are obvious to other people about us from a mile away, and I'm curious how that works. Plus, I've a wide 10th Sun square AC, might this lead to better self-awareness? An example of a 'hard' aspect benefiting the native?

5. As for socio-economic status and 10th house planets, I've generally read that planets acting as positive influences in money areas of a chart are directly relevant to the place in society and wealth that the native has already. Elevation in that chain and it's reflection in the chart are connected to one's current circumstances.

Hmm...

Well as you know in Equal house your sun in 9th house and with all your researches and studying and questioning here, suggests to me 9th house matters which are packed. So what is it you actually do? or are hoping to do?? so there is immediate contradiction here of Angular/10th abnd cadent/9th house

cancer Asc is sensitive, intuitive, but a worrier. Aries square Asc comes out in fits and spurts and clashes with Cancer due to 90'
I wonder how much your sun quincunx moon plays out??

Sun Quincunx (Inconjunct) Moon

Your perceptions of others and of life circumstances alter as you get older. As others misunderstand your intentions and you misjudge others' motivations, natural corrections occur for you. It is through concentrating on the core values of communication in relationships that you make major adjustments between your ego drives and your emotional needs. This becomes a critical mechanism for personal growth and development.
http://www.cafeastrology.com/natal/q...retations.html

Aries sun

To build everything, to demolish everything, and then, to rebuild even better. Incapacity to settle, constant thirst for revival, dynamism, your independence: all these factors contribute to turn your destiny into a roller coaster, but this does not really upset you since the most important thing for you is that you never get bored and that you can use up all your energy. Conquests and struggles are of paramount importance, and the desire to excel yourself is the driving force behind your initiatives. The few setbacks you may encounter on your way boost your dynamism.

http://www.astrotheme.com/files/astr...al_destiny.php

You may be a perfect illustration of the saying that "To conquer without danger is to triumph without glory". You feel the urge to innovate, to launch a business, and to be the leader in anything you undertake. You steer clear of monotony and security. Your fortune may undergo ups and downs if you are careless. However, good reversals of situations occur frequently.
http://www.astrotheme.com/files/astr...al_destiny.php

http://www.janetboyer.com/Midheaven_in_Pisces.html

[byjove]

What do I do? Well I'm still in college - a degree in international business and languages. I just finished a study year abroad for language fluency. I have always loved business, economics, politics, cultures and learning and more of an advocate of education than anyone else in my family, and only one other in the extended family is the same. I've always wanted to work in politics, international etc. and policy-making. From 16 years old I started wracking up all the right experience for that too (both of personal interest and career planning) school debate captain, lots of other school positions, college debate champion and judge etc. During my year abroad I've watched how governments have 'managed' the financial crisis has destroyed my political heart and I have no trust or faith in the same institutions so for now I'll happily turn back to international business when I finish my degree in a year. I've read astrologers help pin people's Mercury placing by asking what do you read - I hope some of the above is more clear to someone else - living the life it's more difficult to be subjective. The 9th influences are clear - but there is strong leadership desire, and whether that's Aries Sun or Sun in 10th I don't know. There will be subtle differences which may be more clear to others though.

I notice that the 3 main features are out of sync - the Sun squares the ASC (though I read that an Aries Sun will dominate a Cancer AC more or less) and then the Moon inconjunct the Sun to add to it.

[astrologer50]

degree in international business and languages. I just finished a study year abroad for language fluency. I have always loved business, economics, politics, cultures and learning and more of an advocate of education than anyone else in my family, and only one other in the extended family is the same. I've always wanted to work in politics, international etc. and policy-making.

Wow if this is not *screaming* 9th house then I really don't know what is????

sun quincunx moon suggests your parents didn't really quite understand each other

[byjove]

lol A50 you really made me laugh there! Yes, I think it's difficult to see myself clearly especially with the Sun placement so I rely on outside observation. Also, I've always found it difficult to accept Sun in the 10th - it's like telling yourself you're Harry Potter or something... It's possible that the desire to lead and win and do things first and to go far in things is more of a strongly placed Aries Sun and not necessarily a 10th house placement.

It's a little difficult to distinguish between planets in the 9th because with any system I have a minimum of 2 planets there; Mercury and Venus and in some cases Sun, Jupiter, NN and Mercury. I was hoping time would tell but I really do have to rely on other's perspectives here I think, I don't trust my own biased opinion.