Which aspects will point a rich spouse?

[MsK]

Originally Posted by sethi

Did you note the placement of chiron in your eight? That is your partners money house basically.

Yes I do believe that you will marry a beautiful wife, but money will come from her side after marriage (maybe after say a few years).

What type of work do you do?
Just want to judge in which people you move around with.

Also your chart shows that your wife will remain faithful to you . This is my calculation. Also she may be somewhat religious. Maybe she will become this way after marriage.
I would have asked you for a comment but currently you are not married.

Just saw this, sorry so late in reply.

I am female.
I am a writer but have yet to be successful at it. (Wonder if that's in my chart. As a Virgo Rising, I am Mercury ruled and it is exactly conjunct my Sun-Moon midpoint.)

Thank you for your analysis and thoughts.

[MaeMae]

OPM - other people's money

is usually shown with venus or jupiter or neptune in 8th. saturn could be there as well - though it usually indicates some restrictions of other's resources.

i have a couple of friends who married wealthy mates. one has venus conj. jupiter in her 8th in pisces - she lives like a monk, nonetheless - feels guilty for having so much money available to her, but nonetheless, it's there if she needs it. She gives a lot of her "part" of it to charities.

the other has saturn in 8th, square her husbands MC. He once denied her $ to buy new eyewear because the glasses she had "were still in good working condition" even though they were 6 years old. That same year, he spent $100k on an advertising campaign for his business. Pissed off at him, I once asked him, how can you fork over that much money and not even let her get a new pair of glasses? He replied "I am interested in building my income, not wasting it."

They're still married, sadly so. She's a Pisces doormat if ever there was one. He's an absolute prick. Every Dick needs a Jane, I suppose...

Myself, I've had wealthy boyfriends. (Venus Pisces sextile Jup/Sat in Cap). But I'm also aquarius. When a man waves his wallet in my face, I ask myself - "is his heart as big as his wad of cash?" Usually it isn't. I'd rather live poor and with dignity than under some rich man's thumb.

[Lithuel]

Originally Posted by MaeMae

When a man waves his wallet in my face, I ask myself - "is his heart as big as his wad of cash?" Usually it isn't. I'd rather live poor and with dignity than under some rich man's thumb.

Although I come from an upper-middle class family, since I was disowned, I've lived a very typical, struggling-to-get-by student lifestyle. I'm only 21, and I've had at least a half dozen wealthy men (I'm guessing they're all millionaires based on their lifestyles, but that can be deceiving) pursue me. Only one was interesting to talk to, so he was the only one to get a date, but he turned out to be a typical, interested-in-money-and-status rich guy. Not that there's anything wrong with that (if that's what you're soul needs to do in this life), but that's not the life I'm interested in.

I have a Sun/Merc/Ven/Jup stellium in my 8th house (the only aspects they have are conjunctions to each other and inconjuncts to other planets). I know that indicates some form of inheritance of money from someone else, but I don't really care. My boyfriend of 6 months is not wealthy, but he's a hard worker and is learning very rapidly how to manage money well, so perhaps he will be wealthy some day. Either way won't affect how I feel about him. I love him for who he is, not for the paycheck he brings home.

[MaeMae]

Lithuel -

Your thoughts remind me of something I didn't mention - the trade off of 8th house. Yes, indeed, 8th house planets (as we mentioned - likely Jup or Venus) can often bring money to the native, but, because it's 8th house, the house of intimacy and trust, it is often a Catch 22.

[Lithuel]

Originally Posted by MaeMae

Lithuel -

Your thoughts remind me of something I didn't mention - the trade off of 8th house. Yes, indeed, 8th house planets (as we mentioned - likely Jup or Venus) can often bring money to the native, but, because it's 8th house, the house of intimacy and trust, it is often a Catch 22.

So are you saying that, with my 8th house planets, I have the option of having intimacy and trust with someone, or having money thru someone, but not both? If so, I'm not sure how I feel about that. I'll have to ruminate on that.

[MaeMae]

No, of course I'm not saying you can't have one without the other. What I'm saying is that it might be difficult to find both. I'm sure there are many happy 8th house Venus/Jupiter types with well-off mates, in loving, intimate relationships.

But if you understand, at it's core, that 8th house is the power of resources one has over another, it could potentially be problematic.

There is no definitive answer. That's why I said it was a Catch 22.

Look, if you consider that 8th house is about "shared" resources - let's say that man offers money and woman offers intimacy/sex to the coupling. By this I mean, woman has no money and seeks it and man has no intimacy/sex, and seeks it - they could potentially be well matched at meeting one another's needs. Or, it could lead to power struggles over who's getting more of which, and it can be a very fine line that's drawn. A razor's edge, so to speak. I think the best way to figure it out is to assess the mutual values and resources each partner brings (knowing that 8th is 2nd house polarity), and where their wiggle lines land. It's the "productivity" that results following 7th house marriage partnership that the "work" for lack of a better word, exists. It's really not much different than kids trading candy on the school yard -

"I'll give you my Reese's Peanut Butter Cup if you give me your Snickers Bar. Each of them may have a bag full of candy, but what happens ultimately, is that one wants something very specific and is not willing to trade unless they get their choice. It's blissful when it works out for both, and certainly, it's possible in relationships as well as with candy. And, see, where Venus exists, there is desire and choice involved.

We see it all around - couples who bring their individual desires to the relationship, only to find out, through time and experience, that what the other wants, ultimately, is not what his/her mate wants. This is where the problems begin. Venus conjunct Jupiter has been known as "abundance," but that's not just in money or material resources, but also abundance of desire, or even, greed. Venus and Jupiter is very much an "I want it supersized" combo.

So the way to iron it out is to have those intimate discussions, bare each one's naked and dressed-up values on the table and see where the wrinkles are. That's when the work begins because it then requires each person to be accepting of their partner's needs and show willingness to meet them.

I'm getting off track of your original question, which as I recall, is about whether your 8th house planets indicate a rich spouse.

But again, I detract, just a bit, because "rich" can be represented by many things other than money. Again, because we're in the polarity of 2nd house - whatever it is we value. It can be rich in character, rich in humor, rich in compassion, whatever it is that the 8th house person holds near and dear.

Have I lost you?

[waybread]

I wonder how many people on this thread know any "rich" people. Or are "rich" themselves. I suppose we first have to define "rich"--but would upper middle-class or low-order millionaires who made their money through a substantial amount of hard work qualify? People who have big homes on rural acreages, money for travel and hobbies, and basically sufficient funds to do what they want?

I know several long-term married couples in their 60's in this category, and they're fine. I haven't seen any sort of trade-off between "his money and her looks" or "her money and his looks"--I would say they're on friendly or even loving terms with one another.

The thing is, most people marry within their socio-economic class. People from wealthy backgrounds tend to marry other people from wealthy backgrounds. Poorer people who are upwardly mobile and willing to sacrifice for the same vision tend to find one another. These latter types may not start out rich, but they have a common vision and are both willing to work hard for it, and save their money while they have to.

Generally these people also know how to manage money. The difference between the assets, in 10-years' time, of a person of substance and a poor person who wins the lottery is that the wealthy person normally has learned how to manage money and make it grow. Lottery or inherited money gets away from people because they don't know how to manage it.

A problem for "marrying up" is also that there can be real socio-economic class differences. Emotionally secure people get around these all the time, but they can cause friction as the couple work them out. It's not even so much stuff like do you know what to wear to the yacht club, but how people handle anger.

So how to marry a wealthy person? Become one yourself.

And check out your 8th house, but I wouldn't bet the farm on it.

[MaeMae]

responding to above.

of course many people here know rich people. we have worked for them, have them in our family, dated them, married them or are rich themselves. Rich, as a word? dictionary definition? adjective or noun? generally implies an abundance of "resources" - paper money or property is usually implied, but abundance is the key word. we define the word based on our values, i imagine.

i live in southern california. there's a lot of "abundance" here, of everything. and oh, yes, indeedy, there are a lot of "rich" men and women who take mates for just the reason's i mentioned. all you have to do is look at the divorce filings in court records and the dissolution of their "resources" to know what i'm talking about. but really, it's no different anywhere - just more "abundant" here, i believe.

and yes, i would agree...the more "candy" each one has, the more likely they are to do business others who also have a lot of "candy."

[Lithuel]

Originally Posted by MaeMae

Again, because we're in the polarity of 2nd house - whatever it is we value. It can be rich in character, rich in humor, rich in compassion, whatever it is that the 8th house person holds near and dear.

Ah, this must be why. My values (2nd house) are decidedly non-material, thus my partner's wealth and values (2nd from the 7th, or 8th) is going to be non-material, as well. That makes sense. Both of the significant others I've had have been very spiritual people.

[sethi]

Your stellium shows that you will have other persons to help you out.

Might be asked to manage other people's money too.

A stellium in the 8th is in my eyes a good position.

But vedic would say that this is a very bad position, as 6 8 and 12 are bad houses and most planets situation in such could only auger something bad

[waybread]

Sadly, most divorce cases involve people without a lot of resources. The rate of divorce is a lot higher than the percentage of people who are well-to-do.

But "resources" are really the key.

I think there are 3 kinds of people with respect to money: (1) People who are pretty hopeless with it--the kind who hope that a rich spouse or the lottery will bail them out. (2) People who understand money and know how to make it grow. (3) People who know they're not the #2 type and are horrified of the #1 types. They tend to be very cautious. They know they don't understand investments, but they at least try to pay their bills on time.

One key to financial security is to understand money as something beyond "candy" because at the level at which the #2 types and more successful #3 types operate, they really do understand money as a renewable resource; just as a forester understands trees as a resource or a farmer understands the soil in his fields as a resource.

Money invested in a business might be a gamble, but if it succeeds, it generates more money. Money spent on consumer goods (with some exceptions) normally manifests the appearance or trappings of wealth but not the capacity to earn wealth. This is why semi-wealthy people really prioritize how to spend their money. #1 types who envy the wealthy basically see their consumer goods but not the hard work and savvy that generated the income to produce or keep the wealth (if inherited.)

Then there are cultures of wealth--different kinds, depending upon whether it's old money, new money, or what kind of new money. It takes a very special person from a poor background to fit into an old money society born into a sense of entitlement, elite schools, exclusive clubs, and general savoir faire.

I think the best of what wealthy people have is not the lavish consumer goods, but their capacity to donate handsomely to charities that improve people's lives. (cf. Bill and Malinda Gates.)

I once read something by personal finance guru Suze Orman in which she seemed to talk about money almost as a living organism: something that would do well if fed and nurtured; but that would do poorly if neglected and starved. I think money also has a kind of multiplier effect. Recently I was somewhat careless about my spending, and suddenly a bunch of unanticipated expenses cropped up. I vowed to be more careful, and now small bits of money that weren't part of my initial budgeting are coming back to me.

For people who are of a religious frame of mind, it is important to acknowledge God as the source of one's resources.

This is why I think questions like how to marry a rich spouse are misdirected (and I realize the OP was merely curious--not proposing a move in this direction.)

The question is more like, "how do I manage my money, such that my spouse is an empowering part of our shared resources?"

[wilsontc]

All,

Please keep the focus on the issues raised and not the people posting. People have different opinions and different ways of looking at things, and that's OK.

Back on track,

Tim

[fairy_girl]

hello i am very interested in astrology though i suppose i have yet to learn many things. my jupiter is in the 8th house but i have also saturn in 8th house in conjunction to jupiter. both planets in libra. but according to my chart 8th house is in virgo so the ruler of the house must be mercury. my mercury is in the 2nd house. as far as for the 7th house i dont have major planets in there but north node vertex and vesta. cancer 7house

[fairy_girl]

so what do you think about that. though for further interpretation i suppose must consider the chart as a whole. not interpreting some aspects or planets position without take into consideration other facts. my chart ruler should be saturn as my ascendant is capricorn. as far as for jupiter in the 8th gaining by other people. i am lawyer could that be connected to profession.a friend interested in astrology sees career opportunities for me abroad

[virgo18]

I have Jupiter in Cancer:

-conjunct Chiron in the 8th
-trine Pluto in the 12th
-trine Venus in the 11th
-Opposition Saturn and Neptune in my 2nd
-Sextile Moon in the 5th


I attract men who are wealthy and care about their money.

With my Saturn opposing my potential partner's 2nd house planets...(derived house system)
I think I will restrict my own self from he's money when I get married, I will feel bad of been totally maintained by him. So I will like to earn money for my self with work. (my 10th house is very charged)