Does your descendant describe your partner

[Flowergirl]

Bittermoon, I enjoy the fact that there are quite a few other Pisces rising people on this forum. That means having discussions about our mutual Sag MC, Virgo DC, Gemini IC etc... What fun?

Cassandra71, I'm sorry to hear you can't relate with your Virgo DC. I must say that my husband is no Virgo, nor does he have much earth in his chart. He doesn't even have any planets in Virgo but in relation to one another we fill these attributes to one another.

I am certainly no expert at this. I just read it and it made sense when I think to how we relate to one another, in reaction to one another.

all the best

[dr. farr]

I have long used a 7th house related evaluation for the "ideal mate", with pretty good accuracy*: here's what I learned (its basically from the oldtime Ankara tradition)

-sign on the 7th house (desc) shows the qualities of the ideal person: but note that: it does NOT necessarily show the ascendant or Sun sign of this person, rather it shows their qualities, temperament, and so:
-PLUS any planet in the 7th sign shows a modification of those sign-qualities
-PLUS: if a woman, find the place of Mars; if a man, find the place of the Moon (yes, the Moon, NOT Venus!)
-the qualities of the sign in which Mars (if native is a woman) or the Moon (if native is a man) is posited further modifies the qualities of the the ideal "mate" as shown by the sign on the 7th (desc)

It should be noted that this method does not NECESSARILY relate to the "mate" one has actually chosen: it relates rather to the ideal "mate" for that person.
...Whether one finds this ideal, or not, is another matter.


*this method was certainly accurate for my late wife, Leslie, and I: we were together 40 years (since high school)...

[Flowergirl]

Very interesting dr. farr. I have always believed that we unconsciously seek a mate to meet our emotional needs and to fill in the gaps in areas that we are not proficient in. Surely there is a measure of conscious preferences etc but I believe that on an energy level there is a whole lot more going on between people who pair up in a one on one relationship. I think strongly that it has to do with finding a partner who will stand in for those things that you as a person do not have or are not good at. Look at the things that you were criticised as not having from childhood. Maybe you were criticised for being lazy, unorganised or whatever, and the opposite of that is likely what you will be attracted to in a partner. Someone to fill the void of what you are not. The opposite to fill in your inadequacies. I believe this is done on a very unconscious level. Think of how smitten people newly in love are. They are smitten with their partner and having found such a person. Only later does the conflict come in when we realise we really have not much in common and that person is quite opposite from us. The choice of the partner was made based on unconscious recognition of what it is we need but on a concious level we may not understand what on earth attracted us to that person in the first place. Infuriating isn't it?

I also believe that we attract that partner with opposite attributes so we can learn certain lessons that only a person who is opposite from us can teach us. A partner may criticise or grind us because we are not like them. They ask "what is wrong with you that you don't see things my way?" And we have to struggle with our insecurities, fears and inadequacies and realise that our partner is just a mirror for the things we need to see in ourselves. The things we need to heal in ourselves in order to be whole as a person.

I hope this makes sense...

[dr. farr]

Makes a lot of sense!

[Olivia]

I got my ideal guy twice. Unfortunately, they both died violently.

But here's the weird: I have a Mercury-ruled sign on the descendant, and an angular Merc in Aries, as well as Mars in Aquarius.

These blokes had a lot in common. First, they were both EXTREMELY outspoken. So much so that people considered them downright dangerous, though neither fell remotely into that category - they just both had the unflinching ability to calmly say the truth and that scared the hell out of people.

They were born 23 years apart, both had Sun in Sag, Moon in Taurus, Venus in Scorpio, and Aquarius rising (and no, I wasn't checking charts beforehand!)

Strange, or strange?

I don't plan trying for the trifecta, so to speak, but if I did, I think I would check charts this time - though I have got to the point where when I meet a man with that configuration, I automatically know. It's a little weird asking for their birth data, but it hasn't failed yet.

[dr. farr]

Olivia:
Interesting that both had their "mate" significator (the Moon) in Taurus!

[Olivia]

Originally Posted by dr. farr

Olivia:
Interesting that both had their "mate" significator (the Moon) in Taurus!

That and their suns both conjuncted my ascendant, whilst my Mars conjuncted both their ascendants. Possibly a little unconventional, but it all worked out.

[anny]

I have Aquarius DC, which means my ideal partner is idealistic, unconventional, unemotional, friendly and somehow different from others.
My 7th house is empty. My DC is in square with Pluto- here we get the Pluto influence.

This would suggest my ideal partner to be Aquarius/ Scorpion mix.

I have never been with someone with Aquarius Sun, but I have been with partners who have some other traits, like having whether Venus in Aquarius, Moon in Aquarius, Mercury in Aquarius, Mars in Aquarius, AC in Aquarius or Sun exact square/opp to Uranus. Also my Mars is trine to Uranus (my DC ruler). I do believe that being with an Aquarius type fits me very well, although when being with one guy who had Aquarius stellium I got bored from him. Too much Aquarius isn`t for me, because my Venus-Mars are still in an earthy sign Virgo. I just weren`t physically attracted by him.

I haven`t totally figured out which type I am in relationship, but I think I am quite this Aquarius type. Also my Venus is making a trine to Uranus. So in a relationship I am very progressive, but also quite eccentric and unusual. On the other side in partnerships Moon is considered to be very important, because this shows what we need. My Moon is making exact aspects to Pluto and Saturn. So actually I need older, mature and very intensive person next to me, because my emotions are quite controlled and passionate. As 12th house describes our soul mate and Moon rules my 12th this Saturn-Pluto combination is my mate. So therefore I couldn`t be with this Aquarius stellium guy together - I need more passion.

Venus-Moon signs in the guys chart show which kind of woman they would like to be together with. All my boyfriend have had whether Venus in Scorpion/Aquarius, or Moon in Scorpion/Aquarius. So constant challenge between freedom, stability and intimacy is my case.
So I am Aquarius /Capricorn/ Scorpion influences type of woman.
My Mars is doing six aspects to different planets indicating that I have been with very different kind of partners. The three major aspects that my Virgo Mars is doing are trine with Neptune, Uranus, and square with Moon.Also I have had three important relationships. So I think these also describe my partners. They are all very unusual, caring and imaginative persons.
This should suggest that my partner is having Pisces, Aquarius, Cancer influences.

1) Mr. Pisces (2nd) square Uranus, 135 to Pluto
Mars in Taurus opp Pluto
Venus in Aquarius
Moon in Libra
AC Aquarius

So with him Aquarius/ Scorpion/ Pisces bond

2) Mr. Virgo (12th) square Uranus
Mars in Capricorn
Venus in Scorpion
Moon in Capricorn, cnj Neptune
AC Libra

So with him Aquarius/ Scorpion/ Capricorn/ Pisces bond

3) Mr. Scorpion (8th) cnj Mercury, cnj Uranus
Mars in Capricorn
Venus cnj with Uranus
Moon in Aquarius square Saturn/Pluto
AC Aries

So with him Aquarius/ Scorpion/ Capricorn bond

[virgo18]

Can someone answer me this two doubts?

-A person who has a (conjunction/trine) will have an easier marriage than someone who has a (square/opposition) between the 1st and 7th rulers?


-What does it mean to have the ruler of the 7th house Rx?

[dr. farr]

In my opinion, each of these questions are dependent upon at least several other factors in the given chart, so-for me at least-I would be hesitant to attempt to give a sweeping generalized answer to either of them; "common sense" would SEEM to answer the first question in the affirmative, but there are so many potential exceptions that MIGHT be there-in the specific chart-that we would be on thin ice to do so (as a sweeping generalization)

[Aquachime]

Variance in my birthtime gives me between 28 deg Taurus to 9 deg Gemini desc. Husband of 16 yrs had Taurus Moon conjunct Jupiter. No clues there. First partner of 10 yrs had gemini Moon. He was a double Scorp & I have Pluto opposing Merc & squaring Desc if we go with the Gemini option. My sons father was a Sun in Taurus man and another long term partner was a Gemini Sun. My current partner is a Virgo Sun. 3 of my partners were Mars in Leo like me. Merc Desc would propose a younger, chatty, dexterous, mechanical, multifaceted personality. This describes all but the Taurus Sun partner. The Venus Desc alternative would suggest a good looking, indulgent, charming & relating type personality with a sensuousness and a liking for security, with stubborness noted. Describes all but the Gemini Sun partner. I have no planets in the 7th hse.

My current partner has Saturn Ruling the Desc with Aqu Moon conjunct. Interestingly I have Venus conjunct Saturn in Aqu. I am 5 yrs older than him and I have Moon conjunct Asc. He also has Venus conjunct Uranus & I have Uranus sq desc either using the Taurus or Gemini Desc.

So in answer to the topic my Desc does describes my partners.

[virgo18]

I was reading a book which name is "the art of predictive astrology" of Carol Rushman, and I found that there are two other ways that are useful to describe the kind of marriage partners, the number and even the strongest signs in the partner's chart.

The most common are the applying aspects of the Sun to the slow moving planets in a woman's chart. In a man's chart it will be the Moon.

But also the ruler of the 7th house and the applying aspects it has will describe it better.

EXAMPLE:
My mother doesn't has any applying aspects to her Sun and she is in her 2nd marriage. (Once upon a time her astrologer told her that she is inclined to have three marriages!) Look why:

She is Sagittarius Rising and her 7th ruler is Mercury.

Mercury makes 3 applying aspects:

Squares Jupiter in Pisces (her 1st husband/my father) -> he is completely Jove! He is Sagittarius Sun and also Sagittarius Ascendant

Trines Saturn in Aquarius (her 2nd husband/my step-father) -> He is Aquarius Sun and Moon, and Venus in Capricorn!. He is completely Saturnine!

Squares Pluto in Virgo (I hope she doesn't get divorced again... but if she does the her 3rd husband will be Scorpio or Virgo?


In my mother's case I will say that the applying aspects of her 7th house ruler describe perfectly her mates.... Much better than only the 7th house sign, ruler and the position.

Her 7th is Gemini and Mercury is in Gemini in the 6th (Believe me.... none of her marriage partners have Gemini or Virgo strong in their charts!).... well only my dad has the moon in Gemini.

[MsK]

I will say I can not get on board with that theory Virgo18, as Neptune is my Descendant ruler with 4 aspects (including a powerful trine to my chart ruler Mercury and exact Sun/Moon midpoint), yet I am in my late 30's and have never married

I do however, have great admiration for "Piscean" qualities, even though my Aries Sun & Virgo Rising can be impatient and annoyed at those qualities all at the same time