difference btwn sign comparison and aspects

[wowreally]

a square for example.
how would it differ if the planets were in squared signs (ie. pisces and sag) vs. pisces and capricorn for example.
i'm guessing the one with capricorn would be less severe.

but still, how would you describe the comparison btwn sign comparison vs. aspects.

or a conjucngion.
how would an insign vs out of sign conjunction be similar/different

[astrologer50]

Originally Posted by wowreally

a square for example.
how would it differ if the planets were in squared signs (ie. pisces and sag) vs. pisces and capricorn for example.
i'm guessing the one with capricorn would be less severe.

but still, how would you describe the comparison btwn sign comparison vs. aspects.

or a conjucngion.
how would an insign vs out of sign conjunction be similar/different

Planets are modified by signs, where they express are houses and how they express are *aspects*

Amongst other things, astrology is a wonderful tool for understanding yourself and others better.....enabling us to make better choices in life as we become aware of how our behaviour influences what happens to us through the law of cause and effect. Astrology does not reliably predict the future.......But it can provide an excellent insight into the psychological make-up of people, enabling us to accurately predict their behaviour and it's resultant effects

If you intend to learn about astrology, you will need to begin with a natal chart, it need not necessarily be your own, but many choose to begin this way, in an effort to better understand their own life journey, and purpose. Astrological natal charts are as individual as a persons ‘fingerprints’ depending on where (latitude & longitude) and time of birth.It is important to get your *time of your birth* as this is the most important information.

Here are my personal recommend beginners links to focus upon Natal charts:-
I hope that you come here and want to learn about astrology and join in with exchanges. There ever expanding Education forum here and lots more to explore. http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=12556
http://wilsontc.stormloader.com/#continue
http://www.bobmarksastrologer.com/TOClessons.htm
http://www.cafeastrology.com/natalastrology.html
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/learn-astrology/astrology-lessons.php
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/learn-astrology/inner-outer.php
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planets_in_astrolgy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astrological_sign
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astrological_aspect
http://www.skyscript.co.uk/aspects2.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natal_astrology#Aspect_patterns
http://www.astro.com/astrology/in_vocation2_e.htm
http://moonvalleyastrologer.com/tutorial2.htm
http://soulhealing.com/tutorialwest.htm

House systems
Lots of people that come into Astrology get their free charts calculated at www.astro.com and the default ‘house system’ used is Placidus and think that’s just the norm and all that there is……..BUT that is just the tip of the iceberg. You can change the default on astro.com in Extended Chart selection to Equal house and a few more.

Throughout the forums but mainly in natal astrology there are two main branches Placidus (unequal size houses) v Equal House (whereby each house is same size) but lots more……. For more information on these go here.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equal_house_system#Equal_House
http://www.astrolozy.com/article19.asp
http://www.skyviewzone.com/birthinfoforms2/housesexplained.htm
For further research try here...
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3280&highlight=placidus+equal
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=638&highlight=house+system
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?p=152849#post152849
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?p=189223#post189223

It's only with study and research will you be able to assess where your planets are deposited and in which houses... thus see which 'glove fits'

[michel12]

Hi wower! i just have to say that i follow all your questions which r great and learned from peoples response to you, im sure others learn from ur questions 2.

[wilsontc]

All,

People will not always answer your post the way you want them to. People freely give their comments and you are free to ignore them if they are not useful to you. You are NOT free to attack the other person for volunteering their comments.

About playing nicely,

Tim

[wilsontc]

wow,

You asked:

Originally Posted by wowreally

...how would you describe the comparison btwn sign comparison vs. aspects.

As a modern astrologer, I regard out of sign aspects as valid, but less intense than in-sign aspects. Think of it this way: an in-sign aspect is a "double aspect"...an aspect by both degree AND sign. An out-of-sign aspect is a "single aspect"...an aspect by degree ONLY. So it's less intense.

Intensely,

Tim

[MaeMae]

Here is a slight deviation from your thought, Tim -

Using my Venus/Mars Square as an example -

Venus 23' Pisces / Mars 0' Cancer

Both planets are water element, friendly toward another. However they are considered a square in aspect by 7' orb.

I have read much about the Venus/Mars square. Some of it rings true, (attraction to taboo or edgy sexual behaviors; attraction to "coarse" mates) however the elemental qualities soften the effects of such a square, and in my case, I get a great sense that they are more friendly (like a trine) than most Astro material would lend one to believe.

[wowreally]

just wanna thank everyone for their insights so far!
also thx michel, i feel like i'm getting so much here, it's nice to know i'm able to bring a little something to the table as well..:P..

[waybread]

wowreally, there are several answers to your question (as per the above posts.)

1. A few astrologers today practice classical astrology. In ancient times, possibly because of the difficulty of delineating exact degrees, they considered planets to be in opposition, square, or whatever if their signs were opposite, square, &c. (See, for example Ptolemy, Tetrabiblos.)

2. This doesn't work so well in modern astrology today, where we have the capacity to locate planets by degree exactly; and where many astrologers would consider so-called minor aspects. If Person A has his moon at 5 degrees Aries and Person B has her moon at 20 degrees Leo, that's not truly a happy trine, because the 135 degree aspect is a sesqui-square and is considered to be stressful. With planets at 1 degree Aries and 29 degrees Cancer, we might consider the signs to be square, yet degree-wise they form a trine.

3. I use out-of-sign aspects. Some astrologers do not.

4. There is a big debate about suitable orbs. I would use 10 degrees for the luminaries and 5-6 degrees for other planets, with 1-3 degree for something like an asteroid, angle, or sensitive point in the chart. Other astrologers insist on wider or narrower orbs.

5. Presumably people with a lot of planets in the same element (earth, air, fire, water) get along better, but then they are apt to have trined planets, if so.