Eating disorder

[07.Re]

Originally Posted by Akyana

When I look at the chart of Mel and mine, there are striking similarities.

-Asc Libra
-Pluto H1 or hidden H1
-Tsq including Saturn
-12th house with more than 1 planet
-Moon sq with outer planet (Pluto, Neptune)
-Neptune H3
-3 outer planets (Uranus, Neptune,Pluto) being personalised
-Sun hard aspect from outer planet
-NN H4
-Sun in cardinal sign
-very strong Libra (now, this part is clear)
-Mars in Air

...ect, but those ones are the most obvious that I see now

I've been watching this thread with interest and can tick many aspects off this list.

As a young teenager, I thought I would turn to vomitting for a quick fix to lose weight and funny enough, if I think of it now as an adult, I wasn't even overweight!

However, my Mom was a single parent and so the sole bread winner in the house, and to be honest, I felt nothing but guilt after forcing myself to throw up. I realised that my Mom was working darn hard to keep a roof over our head and stopped the potentially damaging habit. Saturn trines both my luminaries, Mercury and Uranus stellium...... so I'm pretty sure this is where my conscience crept in. Lastly, I also want to point out that I have Ceres conjunct my Sun / Uranus in first house / Libra.

[Akyana]

Looking at your chart I see much of Libra influence and Mars in Air.

For something to be called disorder I think it has to be long term,
can I ask you for how long it went?

Saturn trines both my luminaries, Mercury and Uranus stellium...... so I'm pretty sure this is where my conscience crept in.

Saturn is definitelly helpful there!

[07.Re]

Originally Posted by Akyana

For something to be called disorder I think it has to be long term, can I ask you for how long it went?

It was only for a couple of weeks Akyana and that was why I used the word "potentially" in my earlier posting.... the potential was there for it to turn into a full fledged eating disorder, but thanks to Saturn, it didn't.

[Claire19]

Originally Posted by Natasha

I have found that low or no earth and or a predominance of air and fire and or Libra luminaries or ascendant seem to often pop up in charts of women with eating disorders.
Challenging aspects to the moon (moon Saturn, Moon Uranus, Moon Neptune in hard aspect) and the moon in air also seem to feature
It seems to be played out as difficulty connecting to the body and the inner feminine.
But the longer term outlook is often good for challenging delineations such as squares to luminaries call us to resolve these issues and at the same time allow us to accumulate the resources to resolve these difficult like experiences.

I have predominance of air and fire and just the Moon in Taurus but a lot of Libra and although I have in the past eaten too much sweet stuff, I dont now. I have never had an eating disorder but the sugar function is often compromised with these influences.

[Claire19]

Originally Posted by 07.Re

It was only for a couple of weeks Akyana and that was why I used the word "potentially" in my earlier posting.... the potential was there for it to turn into a full fledged eating disorder, but thanks to Saturn, it didn't.

Yes good old Saturn!!!. It has saved me from alcoholism probably and fully fledged sexual promiscuity.

[astrologer50]

Originally Posted by Natasha

I have found that low or no earth and or a predominance of air and fire and or Libra luminaries or ascendant seem to often pop up in charts of women with eating disorders.
Challenging aspects to the moon (moon Saturn, Moon Uranus, Moon Neptune in hard aspect) and the moon in air also seem to feature
It seems to be played out as difficulty connecting to the body and the inner feminine.
But the longer term outlook is often good for challenging delineations such as squares to luminaries call us to resolve these issues and at the same time allow us to accumulate the resources to resolve these difficult like experiences.

This IS interesting -- is this just personal observations or do you have some source? like a book or website?

I have hard aspect from moon to neptune and think it really quite a psychic aspect and potential for mediulmship to...

[Frisiangal]

astrologer50:
I'm saying - NO it doesn't -- offer some website or source that might confirm this statement.

Hi again, astrologer50.
Website control is your penchant, for which you have my greatest admiration. I've often wondered how you are able to catalogue it all and know where to find/provide a particular site so quickly.
Yet, why must I take/provide website information as the only gospel above the instruction of my own teachers, or as 'proof' whether something can (not) be meaningful or true?

My health astrology information comes from the regular consultation of my study books, all in Dutch except for Robert Jansky's 'Astrology, Nutrition and Health', and through the practical working examples offered then and since.
Two seminars with Joyce Hoen (Dipl.F.A.S), (www. CHTA) who, as far as relating to this thread, did a long term study of the association between specific astro. patterns and eating disorders.....or vice versa.
Also the work/seminars of U.S. astrologer Ingrid Naiman (www. astroheal) who, where the correlation between astro. symbology and physical disorders is concerned is on a par with H. Cornell's medical astrology dictionary....also available through the web nowadays (search engine for specific ailment).
Max Heindel's 'A Diagnosis of Astrological Healing' is also available in its entirity on the web.
I regularly google 'medical astrology' for specific information or just for curiousity's sake. Eileen Naumann is much more forthcoming with her info. on the web than Diane Cramer and Jane Ridder-Fitzpatrick, who prefer their books be bought.

Perhaps more use of caveat, might, maybe, suggest, or possibly?

Wasn't that implied earlier in the original post?....

This aspect has been found to often focus upon and coincide with......

'Often' does not imply 'always'.
As one F.A.S tutor stated, 'Nothing is certain.'
As Ingrid said, 'xxxxx in a chart does not imply yyyy, but where there is yyyy, you will find xxxxx.'
xxxx = planet/aspect,
yyyy = disorder.

As said in a previous post, every chart is unique. How each person works with their bundle of energies is strictly personal and health matters follow specific rules, just as financial and partnership matters do. One cannot say 'because I don't have it, the implication is wrong'. The psychological make-up of a person has shown itself to be a defining factor where (astrological) health is concerned. You appear to have shown the strength of understanding that the 24/7 work routine your parents followed did not provide the time to spend with you that most children would desire. You did not associate this lack with a ' feeling of being unimportant and not being seen' and the 'emotional', and not physical 'abandonment' that those with the same aspect might undergo. Do you see what I mean?

Thank goodness the human spirit/soul has not yet been cloned to the extent that we all act, feel and experience life exactly the same.

[Natasha]

Originally Posted by astrologer50

This IS interesting -- is this just personal observations or do you have some source? like a book or website?

its a personal observation of some women with low or no earth, mostly air and fire and luminaries or ascendant in Libra and difficult aspects to the moon
Surprisingly I have seen charts of a number of women with this combination. One had Mars in Libra rather than the ascendant or luminaries.

The women I am thinking of were not anorexic more they bringed and then strarved maybe some were bulimic etc
Fortunately most actually got past the eating disorder. I get the feeling that getting in touch with their bodies and their feminine side helped sort this issue out for them

When I think of the imagery around these various chart placements connection to the body for some women can be an issue (low earth) and also connection to ones feminine nature (in a yang chart, airy moon)
For some, It may be difficult for us to know when we are hungry or how to satisfy our emotions with some of these chart placements also

[astrologer50]

Frisi,

My health astrology information comes from the regular consultation of my study books, all in Dutch except for Robert Jansky's 'Astrology, Nutrition and Health', and through the practical working examples offered then and since.
Two seminars with Joyce Hoen (Dipl.F.A.S), (www. CHTA) who, as far as relating to this thread, did a long term study of the association between specific astro. patterns and eating disorders.....or vice versa.
Also the work/seminars of U.S. astrologer Ingrid Naiman (www. astroheal) who, where the correlation between astro. symbology and physical disorders is concerned is on a par with H. Cornell's medical astrology dictionary....also available through the web nowadays (search engine for specific ailment).
Max Heindel's 'A Diagnosis of Astrological Healing' is also available in its entirity on the web.
I regularly google 'medical astrology' for specific information or just for curiousity's sake. Eileen Naumann is much more forthcoming with her info. on the web than Diane Cramer and Jane Ridder-Fitzpatrick, who prefer their books be bought.

Now this I am extremely impressed with and will help others learn about 'sources' so thanks a million

what I can't abide is sweeping statements syndrome and people jumping to unfounded conclusions by making 2+2=5. If people don't know where or how you got your information (gullible people and those new to astrology) take everything to heart and it can create an 'elitist' feel which my Aquarius feels upset over

[LittleMiss]

I think it is valubale to differenciate between anorexia and bulimia when looking for clues of an eating dissorder in a natal chart, because there are often certain personality-types that get anorexic and another that get bulimic (even though they share som characteristics).

[astrologer50]

Hey has anyone looked at Ceres hard aspect to moon? Raven on this thread seems there may be correlation --

http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum...59&postcount=2

[R4VEN]

Originally Posted by astrologer50

Hey has anyone looked at Ceres hard aspect to moon? Raven on this thread seems there may be correlation --

http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum...59&postcount=2

There was an old thread about Ceres and/or eating disorders. I think it was early in 2009 that this connection was made by someone else, and when I looked at my own chart, there it was - Moon-Ceres conj in Cancer in 6th. My mother - who would have had an eating disorder had she not loved food so much!! - also had the Ceres-Moon conj in Virgo. She began putting me on diets when I was about 6. Photos of myself from that age reveal that I was not even slightly overweight, but more towards being thin. In retrospect, I think it was my mother who had a skewed view of how both she and me looked.

07.Re has Ceres-Moon conjunct. As she stated, the potential is perhaps what is described by this natal placement. What a person does with this potential is up to them and how they handle the stress of this.

I have also a list of people (of my acquaintance) who have had eating disorders, and a large number of them have had Moon quincunx Jupiter on their natal. These people seem to be the truly hard-core ones, the people who have an eating disorder for decades.

[astrologer50]

http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showpost.php?p=61742&postcount=14

http://neptunecafe.homestead.com/Ceres.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ceres_(dwarf_planet
http://www.solarviews.com/eng/ceres.htm
http://en.mimi.hu/astrology/ceres.html
http://www.librarising.com/astrology/tables/ceres.html
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=12612&highlight=ceres
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=8212&highlight=ceres

[kbell]

I have ceres and jupiter conjunct the IC squaring moon. When I was younger I had anorexia for several years, then went the opposite and gained a lot of weight. I used it as control and when I was fatter I felt out of control so I would think that saturn would be involved in some way. My jupiter and ceres trine saturn.

I lost the weight and no longer have eating issues because now I exercise and eat healthy.

[Piscean Pixie]

I had an eating disorder when I was younger & I have the Chiron in Taurus in the first and have a stellium in my 6th house that includes the moon and pluto.

[Surprise]

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[aquarius7000]

Hi,

The Moon (emotional security, moodiness, natural instinct, and associated with food) is a prime indicator for me, when it comes to food habits. The 6th house is the next to look at. Of course, there are many other factors in a chart (natal and transitory) that affect the native. Taurus (food/eating as a 'physical' act of enjoyment, quality- good food is important) and Cancer (food as a form of emotional security and nurture, often quantity is more important) are the two signs mainly associated with food. That said, the sign of Virgo along with Cancer are more prone to problems related with food - like indigestion, eating disorders, etc. I posted a thread on the Education Board of this forum some time back that is related to Medical Astrology- basic in nature and easy to follow, in case of interest.

A glance at Akyana's chart gave me some quick pointers. (I can only touch on one chart just now, as I have to rush to work).

Originally Posted by Akyana

I was fighting for many years with eating disorder , and still its peeking sometimes.

The Moon in your chart is in Virgo, which is the first predisposition perhaps to eating disorders. Its placement in the 12th house could have made this predisposition even stronger. The 12th house lies opposite to the 6th house (natural house of Virgo), and in the 12th house the Moon might use food as a measure/subsitute to fight emotional issues/ tendencies of escapism (both related to the 12th house). These just-mentioned tendencies are doubled through Moon's very close aspect to Neptune (unclarity, fogginess, confused state- esp of the mind here, as in the 3rd house). Note also that the ruler of your Moon is Mercury, which, in turn, is placed in Virgo's natural house- the 6th. Merc's ruler, Jupiter, is placed in Aquarius, a sign predisposed to 'erraticism' in its habits, and its conjunction to Mars (which by nature is also so) makes this even more profound.

Uranus has been trainsiting your 6th house for quite a few years now. During this transit, it has aspected your Moon in the 12th, as it has been aspecting your Mercury of late. You might want to look back and see, when was the heavy period of the eating disorder you suffered.


AQ7

[Marilyn]

Hi Akyana-

Now this is something that I do know about. Since age of puberty (around 12 or 13) suffered with body issues and then at age 16 the bulimia started. Off and on for years. Went to treatment had tons of therapy. It got really bad and it was the most consistent when I was in my late 20's early 30's. I was literally addicted to it. All the money I made (well, alot of it) went to food that I never thought was ok to eat.

Anyhoo, an eating disorder is such a difficult thing to understand unless you are the one who is suffering from it, or unless you have had a sibling or parent that has suffered from it as well.

The connection I am making is in my opinion connected to the mother and childhood wounds. The initial core rejection, whether it manifested through a divorce of some kind or some other early rejection from the primary caregivers. I say mother because (and I could be totally off here, but in my chart I have N Nep sq the N Mn. Nep is in the 1rst hs of Sag.

I theorize that the addiction tendencies that I suffer come from my mother's side of the family and may be genetic (pretty sure they are)

We both have north node and neptune in Sag, but in different houses. Im just focusing on similarities here. I also have Ur and Pluto rx in Libra, but in a different house than you.

I also have chiron in Aries and Jupiter in Aquarius (did I spell that right?) but in a diff house. I also have mars in taurus, but in a different house.

How interesting!

So, what healed me? Thank God, but a relationship did. A relationship that I know was karmic literally healed me of that wound. I don't have to or feel the need to abuse myself like that anymore. He said "NO" to me which doesn't usually happen. He wouldn't let me get away with anything. I hate to say it, but he became a father and a loving mother to me. You know what else is wierd, in his chart he also has Neptune in Sag and Chiron in Aries. He has the addiction thing to.

Okay TMI. So, I'm curious are you ok now?