Which planet has a stronger influence?

ilovevenus · #1 10-02-2010, 02:18 AM

Planets in conjunction with the Sun or the Ascendant?

I have:
Sun conjunct Pluto, Jupiter, and Mercury in Libra.
Ascendant conjunct Venus in Sagittarius.
Also, I have Venus conjunct Neptune in the first house.

I know there is a blending of the influences, but I which planet affects me the most? What do you think?

dr. farr · #2 10-02-2010, 03:29 AM

My answer to your question is based upon my eclectic (and often unorthodox) outlook on astrological analysis:
But from my perspective:
-Venus is conjunct the ascendant
-by the orbs I follow Venus is not in conjunction with Neptune (that is, in conjunction by degree-they ARE sign conjunct, which consideration is followed in Vedic astrology but is no longer followed in Western astrology, although I continue to follow the secondary delineative consideration of "aspect-by-sign")
-the Sun is not conjunct any planet: I also follow the ancient concept that conjunctions by degree of longitude must be in the same sign; putting this consideration aside for the moment, by degrees of closeness the Sun is conjunct only with Pluto (according to the orbs I use), with Pluto being combust, therefore having been "absorbed" by the Sun (so, by this outlook, Pluto has NO independent influence in this chart: all Pluto influences must be regarded as Sun/Pluto influences, NOT as pure Pluto influences-this because Pluto is combust-"absorbed"-by the Sun)
-according to the orbs I use (Sun orb at 6 degrees limit) neither Jupiter nor Mercury are in conjunction with the Sun; also they are excluded from being regarded in longitudinal conjunction with the Sun because they are in a different sign than that of the Sun (according to the outlook I follow)
-check on the declinations: a parallel of declination* between 2 or more planets, asc, MC, etc is equal to a strong conjunction in longitude and is delineated as such.

*parallel of declination: planets or points being with 1.5 degrees in declination and on the same side (both North or both South) of the ecliptic.

Note: again I mention that my outlook does not represent generally accepted Western astrological delineations; other practitioners here on AW will have a different take on your question...

ilovevenus · #3 10-02-2010, 03:40 AM

Hi Dr. Farr,

Thanks for the reply.
I'm a beginner at this.. so bear with me.

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Originally Posted by dr. farr

-the Sun is not conjunct any planet: I also follow that conjunctions must be in the same sign; by degree Sun is conjunct only Pluto (according to the orbs I use), with Pluto being combust, therefore having been "absorbed" by the Sun (so, by this outlook, Pluto has NO independent influence in the chart: all Pluto influences must be regarded as Sun/Pluto influences, NOT as straight Pluto influences-this because Pluto is combust-"absorbed"-by the Sun)
-according to the orbs I use (Sun orb at 6 degrees limit) neither Jupiter nor Mercury are in conjunction with the Sun; also excluded because they are in a different sign than that of the Sun

My sun is in Libra.. Do you consider a planet being in 29th degree of a sign to be in the next sign?

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Originally Posted by dr. farr

-check on the declinations-a parallel of declination between 2 or more planets, asc, MC, etc is equal to a strong conjunction in longitude.

Sorry, I don't understand..

So, in your analysis Venus would be the one that has the strongest influence in my chart?

dr. farr · #4 10-02-2010, 03:43 AM

First I made a mistake: I read the Sun in Scorpio! (Dr. Bonehead strikes again

!) I do not follow the doctrine of 29 degrees placing a planet in the next sign for delineative purposes. So Sun is definitely conjunct Pluto but Pluto is combust, so in this conjunction the Sun is totally dominant and only somewhat colored by the Plutonic element.
There is a "reach-over" conjunction involving Sun/Pluto with Jupiter (Sun, by my orbs, is not conjunct Jupiter-however, what the Sun has absorbed-Pluto-is, so this is a "reach-over" conjunction) I would delineate this configuration as Sun(Pluto)Jupiter, read together with an emphasis on Sun-Jupiter. I would not attempt to extend solar "reach-over" through Jupiter to Mercury, and would delineate only a Mercury/Jupiter conjunction (not a Sun Pluto Jupiter Mercury conjunctional mixture: note that some astrologers would do so, however)

This Sun-combust-Pluto reach-over conjunction Jupiter, in the 11th house, is significant and I would have said its likely to be more influential than Venus conjunct asc, except that the Sun is in its fall sign of Libra, and the Sun and planets involved in the solar configuration are also in the Fiery Road: further, at 29 Libra the Sun is in a pitted degree, further limiting its influence (although no matter what the Sun always has a pretty significant influence, as does the Moon) So, with these additional considerations (from my perspective) I would likely say that Venus conjunct the asc is the more significant of the influences when comparing Sun vs asc for the estimation of "which is stronger"...

It's good to learn about parallels of declination: they are very important and usually overlooked. First, use the AW search and enter "declination", and also "parallel of declination": check the "search all posts" box first, then, later if needed, check the "search all threads" box: many posts (including several of mine) will come up and you can see what parallels are and how to use them; also, on the AW website itself (on the AW web page) you will find an article explaining parallels of declination and even a declination converter. After studying this material if you have further questions please post them and I'll see if I can help answering them...

ilovevenus · #5 10-02-2010, 04:25 AM

Thanks for the clarifications Dr. Farr!
I'll check into parallels of declination.

ilovevenus · #6 10-02-2010, 05:37 AM

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Originally Posted by dr. farr

It's good to learn about parallels of declination: they are very important and usually overlooked. First, use the AW search and enter "declination", and also "parallel of declination": check the "search all posts" box first, then, later if needed, check the "search all threads" box: many posts (including several of mine) will come up and you can see what parallels are and how to use them; also, on the AW website itself (on the AW web page) you will find an article explaining parallels of declination and even a declination converter. After studying this material if you have further questions please post them and I'll see if I can help answering them...

OK, soooo I read over parallels. They "act" like conjunctions, right?
Then what about contra-parallels? I have more contra-parallels than parallels..
Where can I find contra-parallel aspect interpretations? I could only find parallel aspect interpretations on the web..

dr. farr · #7 10-02-2010, 06:08 AM

Many regard contra-parallels as the same as an opposition, and many practitioners delineate them as such, which is, certainly, technically correct. In my experience I have not found contra-parallels anywhere near as certain as parallels; I myself do not give attention to contra-parallels unless the planets involved also happen to be in longitudinal ("regular") opposition, in which case the influence of the opposition does seem to be made more intense/effective.
So, basically you could delineate contra-parallels as an opposition, but I would advise students not to pay that much attention to them; but parallels of declination-most definitely pay attention to them...(my opinion)