need advise for this chart with bad relations

[Virinchi]

[poster didn't give an astrological interpretation so moved to Greenhorns Lounge - Moderator Note: chart is a Placidus house Tropical zodiac chart so it does not belong in the Vedic forum]

[Virinchi]

i knew this person since almost half my life time.
he always had bad relations with all
he got seperated from parents long back, married 2 yrs back
has bad relations with wife, in-laws too
lost job many times, shifted jobs, went into deep debts, discontinued his education many times.

he never had anything consistent for few years, except myself in his life
ofcourse he had issues with me too

[Virinchi]

i knew this person since almost half my life time.
he always had bad relations with all
he got seperated from parents long back, married 2 yrs back
has bad relations with wife, in-laws too
lost job many times, shifted jobs, went into deep debts, discontinued his education many times.

he never had anything consistent for few years, except myself in his life
ofcourse he had issues with me too

[astrologer50]

The forum rules say you should first give your 'astrological' interpretations before members can respond -- or risk having your thread moved to GL....

Since you have posted and contributed 313 x am little surprised you have not attemtped this?

[Virinchi]

i didnt because my interpretations will be in vedic method and many of you wont understand it anyway, and i cant interpret a chart in western

[starlink]

Virinchi, I see your problem with the Vedic versus the Western astrology.

I will have a look. Your friend has Aquarius on the Descendant (other people) and Uranus in Libra which is synonym to a Venus-Uranus aspect. On top of that Venus also squares Uranus so I am not a bit surprised to see his problems with others here. He keeps them at a distance for some reason and the reason could well have been his early childhood. The cusp of the 4th house falls in a critical degree (29° Libra) and so automatically does his 10th house cusp.

The ruler of the 4th is situated in his 12th, often showing a skeleton in the closet of the family, hidden things which must have caused his nowadays problems with others.
See that also his Sun, ruler of the Ascendant, is placed in his 12th house. He is a very private person. Good thing is that the Moon rules these two planets and is highly dignified in the 10th house in his sign of exaltation. But again, it's involvement in the Grand Square between the house of family, the house of relationships and his 1st house of personality spoils this and causes him lifelong strife as all these 4 points will be constantly triggered by transiting planets.

Moon is intercepted in Taurus, which could show great hidden strength but needs a transit to trigger that strength. He can feel completely emotionally stuck, especially when he is in a public environment and in his career.

Jupiter and Neptune are also intercepted. I imagine that he is highly (painfully) sensitive and intuitive. Because both planets rule his 5th house of selfexpression (traditionally Jupiter, modernly Neptune) it is also seen here that he just cannot get that creativity out at times which could cause great inner frustration.

He is full of anger and frustration and acts this out on everyone around him but also against himself. Mars is retrograde as you can see, the anger is turned inwards and can eventually harm his health. But he cannot help himself, he needs to seek help in order to get rid of this agression inside him. Mars in the sky's will soon turn retrograde for 7 month and this could make things worse. I am afraid that this young man is probably very unhappy, in need of a lot of love, but not able to receive it, nor give it, notwithstanding his sextile from Venus to the Moon, showing that he is in fact a caring and loving individual, but it is all hidden away (Cancer Sun and Venus in 12) and he just does not trust others enough to let it out.

I hope you will stick with him now that you understand a bit more. I dont know what happened to him and what some people might have done to him, but it surely turned this very sensitive man into a totally self-defensive person.

Mars conjunct the NN and both in the 7th also shows the agression he could show towards others. He is angry. Look at the Moon who rules his Sun and love planet Venus. Moon squares that Mars in his 7th, house of relationships. It is involved in a Grand square with that Neptune/Jupiter conjunction in his 4th house and Mercury AND the Mars Mercury opposition in his 1st house. All the angles in this chart are involved in T-squares. And then we still have the Saturn opposition to the Neptune/Jupiter conjunction as well. (I would not count the Moon opposition to this conjunction.) 17° is way to large for an opposition, even with the Moon.

[Virinchi]

i dont know what exactly happened with his mind but he felt that his dad is wrong and left his house long back.
after 5-6 years he was called back but he stayed with parents only for 2 years

he thinks his brothers are worthless and he doesnt talk to them much

he got married to a very young girl 2 yrs back without taking advise from anyone and now he feels, his in-laws are blackmailing him for money, divorce etc
he feels his wife also cheats him. though i've seen his wife not caring for him at all

he has 1 yr old kid, for whom he wants his wife to stay without going for divorce

because of all these thoughts, conflicts etc he could not concentrate at work and lost jobs twice
now i see him somewhat stable in work since 1 yr, maybe because he feels responsible for the kid.

i'm the only person he shares many things with because i was with him since 14 yrs, though he had issues with me and stopped talking to me for 2 years in between that period

what kinda help does he need now to be normal

[kaminari]

I wonder if Jupiter is behaving badly.

I say this because I've been doing some research into malefic & benefic planets & wonder what some of the professionals think. Though this topic should be on another thread.

Jupiter is thought of as "benefic" but I notice, in this case, it's in aspect to every single planet in his chart (not all tightly), so it's role in his life is important. If it's not being properly recognized, it would case havoc in every area of his life.

I share the Jupiter opposition Saturn, & I also have Scorpio Jupiter. This is a difficult placement. It's give everything then take it all away, problems with self-worth, etc. Focus on the sign & house placements for a solution. I think having you as a friend may help.

[C0rnholio]

I can add a possibly helpful explanation about the Fixed Grand Cross. A copy and paste from
http://www.therealastrology.com/HTML...#Grand%20Cross

FIXED GRAND CROSS.The Fixed signs are all concerned with the question of self-worth. Fixed signs follow the Cardinal signs, and their purpose is to sustain and maintain what the Cardinal signs created and initiated. Because of this, Fixed signs tend to resist all outside efforts to initiate change. The energy of the Fixed Grand Cross tends to be initially focused on resistance, on maintaining things exactly as they are, rather than on taking action and initiating any kind of change. However, once the Fixed Cross starts taking action, it is very hard to stop or to convince to change its course. The Fixed Cross is like a steamroller: when it's stopped, it's hard to get it moving, but once it's moving, it's very hard to stop.

Individuals with a Fixed Grand Cross must learn how to become more flexible and less resistant to change, particularly when the suggestion to change comes from others.

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[starlink]

Thanks Cornholio, this is a very useful link! I just had to shorten the copied material (forum rules!).

Starlink

[C0rnholio]

OOPS! Sorry, Star!
(Here is my Saturn transit working. I need to remember to follow the rules...the rules...the rules. )

[starlink]

No problem !

[astrologer50]

Originally Posted by C0rnholio

I can add a possibly helpful explanation about the Fixed Grand Cross. A copy and paste from
http://www.therealastrology.com/HTML...#Grand%20Cross

FIXED GRAND CROSS.The Fixed signs are all concerned with the question of self-worth. Fixed signs follow the Cardinal signs, and their purpose is to sustain and maintain what the Cardinal signs created and initiated. Because of this, Fixed signs tend to resist all outside efforts to initiate change. The energy of the Fixed Grand Cross tends to be initially focused on resistance, on maintaining things exactly as they are, rather than on taking action and initiating any kind of change. However, once the Fixed Cross starts taking action, it is very hard to stop or to convince to change its course. The Fixed Cross is like a steamroller: when it's stopped, it's hard to get it moving, but once it's moving, it's very hard to stop.

Individuals with a Fixed Grand Cross must learn how to become more flexible and less resistant to change, particularly when the suggestion to change comes from others.

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Very nice contribution and links-- it's a shame more people don't do this, then more people would learn about astrology instead of just wanting the answers dropped in thier laps

I can strongly identify with the fixed grand cross, cos when anything crosses/conj my Asc is forms a temp grand cross and huge problems and tensions. I hope you don't mind me keeping the link for future postings

Regarding the chart posted, as most good psychologists will tell you is conditions from childhood with Sun/venus in 12th

In their childhoods, 12th House people are not encouraged to think of them­selves as individuals. Reasons for this are numerous and, very different in nature. This placement is common in the charts of children brought up in orphanages, put up for adoption, or required to spend long periods in hospital. charts of children sent away to boarding schools or in the charts of children born onto large families where clothes and toys are common property and the directed attention of the parents a rare commodity, and in the chart of an only child smothered by a parents love and concern.
http://www.dkfoundation.co.uk/dkfoun...rmaHouse12.htm

http://www.astrology.com/aboutastrology/interpreting/houses/house12.html

Here are some good threads on 12th house
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=18312&highlight=12th+house
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=16117&highlight=12th+house
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=19818&highlight=12th+house

The jupiter so heavily aspected and conj neptune makes a person spiritual but not very practical and overgenerous to others to the downfall of their own lives..
The Exalted moon involved in the Grand cross also suggests emotional disillusionment espec connected to mother and women..

[Virinchi]

for some strange reasons, which i myself dont know, this person prefers to remain cutoff from the world for many days
and whenever he decides so, he'll just switch off his cellphone

can someone look at his progressions and curent transits please..
i mean when will he get out of this stuff

[Virinchi]

any ideas ?

[hermetic]

Originally Posted by Virinchi

for some strange reasons, which i myself dont know, this person prefers to remain cutoff from the world for many days
and whenever he decides so, he'll just switch off his cellphone

this is a typical for 12th house Sun, I believe. In Cancer no less. retreat, retreat, retreat, it's just what they do. My parents and many significant people in my life have 12th house Sun so I know how this works quite well.
not an easy chart for sure

as for current transits, Saturn entering 3rd house will not help regarding communications, but since it will be aspecting 7th house, it might bring some possibilities of improving current relations

[Virinchi]

well..i met him today after long time
i felt he's now being able to handle his relations better
will he ever become normal or will it just be like this

[Virinchi]

i decided to leave him now as he seems to have no motivation in life and no real intention to take any help

[Virinchi]

he wants to file divorce and keeps talking about it but never did it till now, though he doesnt have anymore relation with his wife.
they just live under one roof . thats all
its almost a divorce but it didnt happen in court.

i just wanna know if he will ever get a divorce and if yes, will he go for 2nd marriage?

[astrologer50]

This question is probably best answered in horary greenhorns. Cast a chart of transits and then post.

[Virinchi]

well i dont understand those charts

[positive]

As you are commend on veid topics I was curious about what you are writing and here, I just want to add that this in addition to your story about this person is a very karmic chart. I don´t believe in karmic charts, but karmic has a certain meaning and people know to think over it. I just want to add that the mercury mars opp is quite near the nodes, which is not also important in vedic but in western too. generally the north node gives you an insight of the people he is with. mars (jupiter, neptun) is R. (also"karmic). mercury on SN is quite significant. I can´t explain it well,I don´t have connections in my chart to these points, but undoubtly this creates a kind of gravity in mind. If the time is right the mc is on a critical degree (ending). Jupiter Neptun, karmic (neptun) is very significant and 2 planets in 12,.....etc. AC Ruler in 12 indicates lonliness. (I guess he sleeps well). So all in all he is very sensitive, looks through the obvious, isn´t sufficient. but he has leo ac, I think that can make him proud too. so not a combination which predistinates you for loud parties. And I gues also he don´t mind therefore lonliness. but also he could have a very potential for spiritual. Jupiter in scorpion as one mentioned, also means to bear a guilt, which perfectly supports the 12 house - loneliness thing (reaction is this way). He also has some fixed star, looked overall. hyades (sea (neptun!), intrigues (neptun!)) on saturn. Moon is near Algol(hidden power), Venus near Sirius, Sun I think near Pollux (or Procyon, both violent).

Most important is the mercury on SN. I think he is thinking too much. Mars in seven is not favoured (also in western), and Aquarius on DC blasts partnerships (Aquarius is violent -revolution ie; frees himself violently). Aquarius are also signs therefore, who once go out to buy cigarettes and never come back, because suddenly decided to leave all behind to be free. So Aquarius on DC is surely difficult. to add here that venus is square uranus which reinforce this again- and seperates again. Aquarius DC gives more, various and unstable partnerships, because they want to free. also unconventional (very young ie) ones. In best he has a partner who allows this, and brings both a little bit unconventional, (maybe little bit exciting) and also groundedness (this is lacking). He has to look this originality for himself in fact. Uranus DC also give insight on what s for other peole good (ie, help to find them their potential, talents, etc)


satunr opp jupiter tend to create problems in money matters, and causes instability, but it is not impossiple. saturn uranus is interesting. I think this is an aspect for an incorruptible person. this person won´t break (well it is a generation aspect, so..) saturn pluto is also kind of difficult (social caste -thinking of?)

ruler 6 +7 (like in vedic for me) in 11. not many friends, best from working area maybe or through internet, also his partners come from friends side.

I think there is because of all this spitiritulism in this chart, a fond of music. that should for sure help him. Has he ambitions for doing sports?

in vedic ruler 3 in 12 means difficulties even hate with siblings. Moon mercury square, means that he can´t express thinking and feeling harmoniously, guess he is searching here a bit. HIs sun has quite nice aspects, and I think he knows what other people think of him quite well, and has the right selfimage. I´d recommend doing something in arts.


Libra on Ic, mybe he is feeling a lack of confrontation familywise (because of the accumulation of neptunian, secrets). coming from an harmonious home, or familiy who supports or make art. taurus makes stubborn. there could be also intrigues in work (10).

mars neptun, mercury neptun sun neptun jupiter neptun 12 house etc. very interesting chart and story. (neptun in 4 also can show to leave near water, ocean). He should like water, ocean very much, feel comfortable.


12 house is a karmic house, refers to the sea, outcast, monasterys, spiritual, also art, film, addiction, illusions, dreams, märtyrer, victim, deception, being fooled, secrets, sects, hysteria, sensitive, scandals, medidation.