Do I have any gay indicators in my chart?

[07.Re]

Originally Posted by PD187540

If an astrologer WANTS to "find" or "confirm" ANYTHING, isn't that the very vital purpose of interpreting a birth chart anyway???

Astrology is an art, not a proven science whereby aspects are proven in a science laboratory. If it were this easy, there would be more general consensus on the very aspects that supposedly show gay tendencies.

Some astrologers will make up just about anything to answer a clients question to save face, when in reality the client has zero knowledge of aspects and is eager to have his tendencies confirmed.

[PD187540]

Originally Posted by RockFish

Really. Let's see how many chinese people with heavy libra and pisces positions in their charts will actually display blue eyes. Show me one. Show me an african with heavy pisces chart and blue eyes. Show me a native american with blue eyes and heavy libra chart.

Please, this is nonsense and rather racist.

Not at all. Your post above is what made what I said racist, which was a purely OBJECTIVE analysis on my part. So thanks for sharing your racist bias.

I've also discovered that people who scream RACIST! are those who can't handle the truth very well. Such a pity....

[PD187540]

Originally Posted by 07.Re

Astrology is an art, not a proven science whereby aspects are proven in a science laboratory.

Disagree. It's both an art and a science. If it's not a science, then why is mathematics heavily involved in astrology??? Math IS a science last time I checked. And how about the sheer fact that erecting a circular, natal chart by hand requires both precision and accuracy (two HUGE aspects involved in any science).

Also, who said anything scientific needs to be proven in a laboratory with all types of beakers, scales, chemicals, etc.??? I've been a science major all my life, and I'm going for my Ph.D. in Molecular Pharmacology & Toxicology starting in a few weeks. I think I know what constitutes science vs. art lol, and astrology is both of those. The truly great astrologers are those who both recognize that fact and incorporate it into their interpreting methodology.

[tikana]

Originally Posted by PD187540

I strongly disagree with this. I equate the astrological chart to your genetic code. That's the best, scientific analogy for astrology right there. Hence why I'm strongly against genetic modification research: you disturb one gene and everything else will falter: just like if you disturb one planet's orbit, everything else will be disturbed as well. So therefore, astrological = biological (and vice versa). It would also help if you took a look at rulership books, like the one by Rex Bills. It's quite fascinating. Also, H.L. Cornell's Medical Astrology Encyclopedia. Everything has a ruler, and everything is determined. How we play it out is up to us.

So in summary, I strongly believe that EVERYTHING is determined in the natal birth chart...no questions asked. Sexual orientation is indeed evident within the birth chart.

Nice comment about the eyes (but slightly flawed). I do know that people with a lot of air in their charts have dark brown eyes, dark hair. I also read that somewhere. The "intellectual/mental" signs tend to have those dark features. The red/blondes are more fire signs. Earths are on the darker side, and water I'm not sure about, but I believe they're on the fair side too (light brown, light blonde, etc.). So yeah..although I don't have enough info to make the claim that eye color is determined in the birth chart, I believe it can be.

I dont want to start up an argument but
why are Ronson twins .. 1 is straight the other is a lesbian?

http://tribes.tribe.net/astrounivers...4-1e5addfb5dd2 here is the discussion on homosexuality in natal charts


it is okay to disagree

cheers
T

[07.Re]

Originally Posted by PD187540

Disagree. It's both an art and a science.

Aspects between planets and their influence on the human psyche cannot be measured or delineated, hence my belief that astrology is an art.

I do however agree that maths is involved as you've quite correctly pointed out, in the use of chart drawings.

[RockFish]

Originally Posted by PD187540

Not at all. Your post above is what made what I said racist, which was a purely OBJECTIVE analysis on my part. So thanks for sharing your racist bias.

I've also discovered that people who scream RACIST! are those who can't handle the truth very well. Such a pity....

LOL, would't it be nice to hear some portion of truth once in a while...

I wouldn't describe your post as "truth", but something called The Astrology of Hindsight. It works like this: you get a chart of a person you already know is blue-eyed and then you say (drums roll), "this or that aspect is why you have blue eyes". Wow. That proves it, right? It proves eye colour shows in charts, right? One single chart with a priori knowledge of the racial traits of the person, this is what I call a PROOF! It's a shocker, ladies and gentlemen.

I could select a bunch of charts and post here to ask you which are their racial traits, but I really can't bring myself to such trouble just for the sake of the obvious, maybe someone cares more than I do and will do it..........

Once again, there are zillions of charts of black people with heavy fire positions and they don't have blond hair. Gazillions of asian people with heavy pisces or libra and they do not have blue eyes. 90% of the world's population is non-white, so, your "astrology" does not apply to 90% of the world. Can logic be so difficult to grasp? Maybe it is.

Just admit you are doing white-oriented astrology and carry on with whatever it is you want to prove.

[PD187540]

Originally Posted by tikana

I dont want to start up an argument but
why are Ronson twins .. 1 is straight the other is a lesbian?

With twins, that's an iffy subject area. For one thing, you have identical or fraternal twins. Either they're born at exactly the same time or a few minutes in between...and believe me, those few minutes are very crucial. By a matter of minutes, that could determine whether you're one rising sign or another (for example, if the birth time results in a 29-degree rising sign, and the other twin is born 3 to 5 minutes later, leading into a totally different rising sign), thereby altering the housal structure of the chart.

Also, one twin may be separated at birth, thereby being influenced by a completely different set of environmental conditions (i.e. being in a different geographical location leads to different planetary transit influences and progressions).

So yes, it is highly possible for one twin to be homosexual and another heterosexual.

[Claire19]

Originally Posted by PD187540

Not at all. Your post above is what made what I said racist, which was a purely OBJECTIVE analysis on my part. So thanks for sharing your racist bias.

I've also discovered that people who scream RACIST! are those who can't handle the truth very well. Such a pity....

In those who have the possibility of blue eyes ire their ethnic origins, Libra and Pisces do predispose to blue eyes and often with dark hair...... so perhaps a comment should have been included, if racially or genetically possible.....

[Claire19]

Originally Posted by PD187540

With twins, that's an iffy subject area. For one thing, you have identical or fraternal twins. Either they're born at exactly the same time or a few minutes in between...and believe me, those few minutes are very crucial. By a matter of minutes, that could determine whether you're one rising sign or another (for example, if the birth time results in a 29-degree rising sign, and the other twin is born 3 to 5 minutes later, leading into a totally different rising sign), thereby altering the housal structure of the chart.

Also, one twin may be separated at birth, thereby being influenced by a completely different set of environmental conditions (i.e. being in a different geographical location leads to different planetary transit influences and progressions).

So yes, it is highly possible for one twin to be homosexual and another heterosexual.

This is a fascinating subject for sure. However the rising sign differences I dont think would indicate differing sexuality. That is determined with Mars, Venus and the Moon to Uranus and Neptune etc.... and aspects and sign...... However I would be interested to know if anyone knows of twins with different sexual bias that are the same gender and born close together. Okay one twin may be ruled by Uranus say and the other by Saturn but this would not determine sexuality differences..... In the world of twins even five minutes can be crucial.. There have been studies of separated twins and they show the same basic characteristics and lifestyles preferences regardless. I dont think environment, upbringing determine sexual bias. That is determined at birth and perhaps before ...... as far as I know.....

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[Claire19]

Originally Posted by EJ53

How does this square with your previous comment in post #17, PD :-

I'll admit, I do have a secret fetish in finding out if someone is gay or leans in that direction whenever I look at a birth chart. It's a fascinating topic, and frankly, I get a secret thrill out of discovering that part about someone, even when he/she doesn't want it to be known.

EJ

Again it cannot be determined absolutely by looking at the "gay" aspects in someone's chart unless you know they are gay. I have a very "gay" chart but am not although I have friends who are and have been associated with gay people most of my life. So be careful as the indications can be subtle.

[Claire19]

Originally Posted by 07.Re

Aspects between planets and their influence on the human psyche cannot be measured or delineated, hence my belief that astrology is an art.

I do however agree that maths is involved as you've quite correctly pointed out, in the use of chart drawings.

I think astrology is a magical science and we know it works but not quite sure how exactly although we know the dynamics...... and it is an art for sure.....

[Inconjunct]

So what are the indicators for white skin?

[RockFish]

Blahblahblahblah

Go check the numbers if you like, I can't be arsed. Google is your friend.

I know it's hard for you to understand how your posts are offensive, but this is common amongst people who are clueless of what racism really is. There are many kinds of racism, and aggression is not the only one of them (once again forced to state the obvious, sigh). Exclusion is the word here and I'm not going to make any more efforts to make you understand this. I can see it's just too much for you.

Funny how you hastly resort to my chart and its aspects to try and invalidate what I'm saying, since you don't seem to have arguments to say how your posts aren't exclusive of other races (they are nearly innocently exclusive, which is why I say you are clueless of racism, and also why I don't expect you to understand what I'm saying here either......).

I didn't give you open permission to comment about my chart so you must remove your opinions about it (or a moderator will and you will get a warning for it, duh). It's in the forum rules, Einstein, if you want to spearhead the honor of this forum you should start by reading its rules, how about that? And if you think you do astrology, ok then, you should start developing a sense of ethics around it, because that is certainly lacking in you, a real astrologer does not use a person's chart to belittle or criticise them (and also would make an effort to live in the 21st century and practice a global, inclusive astrology). Ding dong, you learn something every day.

Oh, and by the way:

I've also discovered that people who scream RACIST! are those who can't handle the truth very well.

Go say that to Nelson Mandela. Perhaps he couldn't handle the truth very well?

[RockFish]

Originally Posted by Inconjunct

So what are the indicators for white skin?

Maybe if we post in bold capital letters it will become more evident?

SO WHAT ARE THE INDICATORS FOR WHITE SKIN???????????

[wilsontc]

All,

The subject of indicators in a chart (e.g., indicators in a chart for sexuality, eye color, hair color, etc.) arouses strong feelings on both sides of the argument, pro and con. Please keep your focus on the astrology and NOT on the person. No matter how much you disagree with someone's OPINION do NOT attack the person individually. You may say, "I disagree with your opinion for these reasons". You can NOT say "You're stupid and a waste of space because you have these opinions." If this becomes an "attack thread" that only exists for people to hurl insults back and forth at each other, I will close down this thread.

Play nice everyone,

Tim

[Inconjunct]

People with lots of Taurus in their charts are gay? Blue eyes are due to a Pisces ascendant?

Rockfish - this entire thread has been offensive from beginning to end, intelligent contributions from yourself, ModC and EJ aside.

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[RockFish]

Originally Posted by Inconjunct

People with lots of Taurus in their charts are gay? Blue eyes are due to a Pisces ascendant?

Rockfish - this entire thread has been offensive from beginning to end, intelligent contributions from yourself, ModC and EJ aside.

Yeah, and from you... What can we do? It's a real problem in astrology, how it is often used to justify unacceptable behaviour and mindsets...

[tikana]

PD187540

You can argue all you want .. At the end of the day you are yet to show in a chart that it can be determined.

Ronson twins were living together from day 1 .. no separation if you look at their photos you will see they are very differnt.

I brought up the twins. You mentioned asce issues. You never mentioned that in any of your previous posts. It all has been planetary involvement that is it .. no Asce...

T

Originally Posted by PD187540

I strongly disagree with this. I equate the astrological chart to your genetic code. That's the best, scientific analogy for astrology right there. Hence why I'm strongly against genetic modification research: you disturb one gene and everything else will falter: just like if you disturb one planet's orbit, everything else will be disturbed as well. So therefore, astrological = biological (and vice versa). It would also help if you took a look at rulership books, like the one by Rex Bills. It's quite fascinating. Also, H.L. Cornell's Medical Astrology Encyclopedia. Everything has a ruler, and everything is determined. How we play it out is up to us.

So in summary, I strongly believe that EVERYTHING is determined in the natal birth chart...no questions asked. Sexual orientation is indeed evident within the birth chart.

Nice comment about the eyes (but slightly flawed). I do know that people with a lot of air in their charts have dark brown eyes, dark hair. I also read that somewhere. The "intellectual/mental" signs tend to have those dark features. The red/blondes are more fire signs. Earths are on the darker side, and water I'm not sure about, but I believe they're on the fair side too (light brown, light blonde, etc.). So yeah..although I don't have enough info to make the claim that eye color is determined in the birth chart, I believe it can be.

[PD187540]

Originally Posted by EJ53

How does this square with your previous comment in post #17, PD :-

I'll admit, I do have a secret fetish in finding out if someone is gay or leans in that direction whenever I look at a birth chart. It's a fascinating topic, and frankly, I get a secret thrill out of discovering that part about someone, even when he/she doesn't want it to be known.

EJ

That still doesn't necessarily mean that I will tell him/her what I think. I only verbally answer whatever he/she asks. There lies the difference . How do they know what I'm really seeing when I view a birth chart? I'm simultaneously looking at MANY factors..not just what they ask specifically, and the only words that come out of my mouth are those they ask to hear. So that's how that squares with my previous comment, which now trines it.

[PD187540]

Originally Posted by Claire19

This is a fascinating subject for sure. However the rising sign differences I dont think would indicate differing sexuality.

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Of course it does! Ok, let's say you have two twins born with the exact same planetary placements in signs, but different houses, being that they're born maybe 5 to 10 minutes apart.

Let's use Uranus in Leo as an arbitrary example. One twin came out with a Capricorn Ascendant, and the other an Aquarius ascendant. It's highly possible for one twin to have Uranus in the 8th House, and Uranus in a different house (7th). There lies the difference, and the Uranian 8th House individual has a higher propensity for homosexuality/bisexuality.

So yes, the sign differences could indeed make a difference with sexuality, for sure.

[PD187540]

Originally Posted by Inconjunct

So what are the indicators for white skin?

We'll put an end to this nonsensical question now: that's more based on geographical location than astrology. Wherever your ancestors came from where a particular skin color predominated, that's where the color of your skin came from. Are you African-American, and were your ancestors based in Africa? Your skin color is black (unless South Africa)....are you European, and were your ancestors based in Italy? Your skin is white (unless Sicilian sometimes).

See what I mean?

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[PD187540]

Originally Posted by tikana

PD187540


I brought up the twins. You mentioned asce issues. You never mentioned that in any of your previous posts. It all has been planetary involvement that is it .. no Asce...

T

Planetary involvement would indicate that the Ascendant is involved, since the Rising sign determines your house layout, and planets in specific houses are very relevant here. So yes, although I didn't state Ascendant concerns in my first posts, I thought it was just assumed to play a role. I'm sorry for that...next time, I'll spell everything out clearly and assume that nobody is that quick or astute to catch on. Sorry to do that in a public forum, but I'll be sure to explicitly describe everything in my book.

[Claire19]

Originally Posted by PD187540

Of course it does! Ok, let's say you have two twins born with the exact same planetary placements in signs, but different houses, being that they're born maybe 5 to 10 minutes apart.

Let's use Uranus in Leo as an arbitrary example. One twin came out with a Capricorn Ascendant, and the other an Aquarius ascendant. It's highly possible for one twin to have Uranus in the 8th House, and Uranus in a different house (7th). There lies the difference, and the Uranian 8th House individual has a higher propensity for homosexuality/bisexuality.

So yes, the sign differences could indeed make a difference with sexuality, for sure.

Good point!!! However the aspects to Uranus are the most important and even with a 7th house Uranus for instance it can indicate gay partnership. But seriously....if Uranus falls in the 6th with one twin and the 5th with the other then the 5th house twin can express Uranus with love affairs...... and the other one express it in ways dealing with everyday needs and rituals or.. does the 6th house Uranus twin have a gay relationship with someone they work with??? I dont think the houses are necessarily the complete influence.


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[Claire19]

Originally Posted by RockFish

Yeah, and from you... What can we do? It's a real problem in astrology, how it is often used to justify unacceptable behaviour and mindsets...

First I heard of Taurus necessarily indicating homosexuality.....where did that come from???? It is a sensual down to earth sign and ruled for now by Venus. If there is an aspect to Uranus or Neptune from say Venus in Taurus then yes maybe...or Mars in Taurus.....it is one of the most attractive signs and perhaps makes a male rather beautiful.........

[Inconjunct]

Originally Posted by PD187540

We'll put an end to this nonsensical question now: that's more based on geographical location than astrology.

So basically, you are now contradicting your previous statement that EVERYTHING was evident in the natal chart.
What DO you believe?

You ask what skin colour do I have? Can't you tell from my natal chart? Am I right or left-handed? What about my eyes? What colour are they?