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Old 07-24-2010, 01:41 AM
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Conflict Chart Analysis Part 2

Okay, continuing our look at conflict charts, this is the US invasion of Iraq.



We've already seen that when a significator is in the House of Death, that's what it means.

In this case, Iraqi signified by Mercury is the US 1st House. Another indication of disaster for Iraq. Note that when the US declares "victory" two weeks later, Mercury has progressed to conjunct the 8th House Cusp.

Let's move on.



You're the Court Astrologer for the United States, would you have advised the US to launch the invasion of Afghanistan at this time?

Why is the conflict now in its 10th Year? The chart has the answers.

How would you advise the present Obama Administration, and what holds for the future of the US and its allies in Afghanistan?

For those who want to learn Mundane Astrology and to analyze Event Charts, this is a great chart.
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Traditional Astrology Says: "...shows a strange mind and very wicked."

Gacy received 12 Death and 21 Life sentences for the murder of 33 boys.
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Old 08-07-2010, 03:42 AM
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Re: Conflict Chart Analysis Part 2

I was trying to get this chart up in time to see if anyone would catch the Wikilieaks thing, but I don't think people had enough time to look at it. .

Does the US government or military use astrologers? Well, if they do, they've got to be the worst on Planet Earth. They couldn't have picked a worse time to invade. When we look at conflict charts, we're looking at the 1st House and Ruler versus the 7th House and Ruler. On this chart, Mars is the US, and Afghanistan is Venus. Mars is exalted in the 10th and Venus is in Fall in Virgo intercepted in the 6th. Sounds great, right?

That is why the conflict has stretched out into 10 years.

We have to remember Bonatti as the most excellent Bernadette Brady paraphrases:

"...a malefic in rulership or exaltation greatly hinders the party it signifies."

Mars exalted in Capricorn elevated in the 10th House is totally useless. To make matters worse, a Peregrine Sun is in an applying square to Mars.

But isn't the opposite true? Doesn't a Benefic in Detriment or Fall hurt the party it signifies? Absolutely.

There's just one small minor detail. Venus is in Virgo and Retrograde Mercury is sitting in the 7th House in Libra. That means Mercury and Venus are in Mutual Reception by Rulership. Basically, you can swap those two Planets out. If you swap Mercury and Venus, then Venus is in Libra in the 7th, greatly dignified and much more powerful than Mars.

You'll notice that with Mercury retrograde, the conflict went poorly at first for the Taliban, until Mercury went Direct. Venus intercepted (hidden) in Virgo in the Afghanistan's own 12th House (the Chart's 6th House), indicates the nature and style of warfare, by revolutionaries, terrorists, underground movements, guerrilla fighters etc.

Look at Venus is in a separating trine with Mars by about 4° which would be about 4 years. It was in 1998 that the US began conducting "black ops" in Afghanistan to destabilize the Taliban government.

If you look at the 4th House, that's Cancer, but the Moon is in Gemini, which signifies mountains and other high places, and if you blend that with Cancer's trenches and gullies and small streams, etc (from glacial and snow melt and from heavy rains in the monsoon season) you get an idea of the terrain most of the combat is taking place on.

An interesting thing about McChrystal, transiting Saturn ruling the 10th House (which is both the US government and its commanding generals) and the 11th House (which is the Congress and the upper echelons of command) makes perfects a semi-sextile to Mercury ruling the 3rd House (communication) when McChrystal makes his off-the-cuff remarks to a reporter.

Transiting Saturn then goes on to perfect a quincunx with Neptune on June 23 when McChrystal is fired. This is one of the reasons why many (like Lee Lehman) seriously question the modern rulership scheme for Uranus and Neptune. In my scheme, Neptune being the upper octave of Venus rules Libra, so it all makes perfect sense. McChrystal is Saturn ruling the 10th House of commanding generals, so the chart's Libra 7th House is McChrystal's own 10th House, his MC. I guess we can assume McChrystal doesn't use astrology either (or maybe he does and that's why he bowed out).



This is Wikileaks. Jupiter goes stationary on the day the pre-announcement is made, and when the documents are released, look at the exact square between Jupiter and Pluto (both retrograde). Jupiter rules the Sagittarious 9th House of intelligence and information gathering for the military. You gotta love astrology.

I was hoping someone would run the chart and catch that. Look at Mars (the US) in a perfect semi-sextile (reaction) with Mercury ruling the 3rd House. Haven't we seen a transiting planet in semi-sextile with Mercury before?

Oh, yeah, the McChrystal thing. See, there really are patterns that you can learn from and apply to other charts.

The way this thing will play out, about 2 years from now, around February 2012, Saturn will go retrograde (almost conjunct Mercury), and then about 8 days later, transiting Venus is going to go all the way from the 6th House to the 12th House and conjunct Uranus and both will conjunct the Ascendant.

Venus also rules Taurus on the 2nd House Cusp, and that is the [NATO] allies and support the US gets.

Anyone want to venture a guess? Well, sure, Venus has made conjunctions before with Uranus, but that was when Uranus was still in Pisces. Uranus isn't in Pisces any more, it's in Aries (but still in the 12th House).

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Traditional Astrology Says: "...shows a strange mind and very wicked."

Gacy received 12 Death and 21 Life sentences for the murder of 33 boys.
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Old 08-15-2010, 03:17 AM
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Re: Conflict Chart Analysis Part 2

What about the upcoming US, Britain and Israel invasion of Iran? This will result in major global conflict at all fronts and lack of resources, primarily food. What does the progressed chart of USA and Israel reveal and the relevant transits?

BTW, this is one of the reasons for I decided literally last night to leave permanently the USA and move to Europe on September 6, and I purchased the ticket today. It is going to be chaos in a few years. Whoever can leave the USA do it now because you will suffer a lot and there will be no salvation.

I just feel for the majority of Americans...

But, thank God, I am outta here as long as there is still time!
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Old 08-15-2010, 05:13 AM
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Re: Conflict Chart Analysis Part 2

I am interested in knowing why you do not use Uranus, Pluto and Neptune in these charts? Is there some kind of specific reason for this?
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Old 09-07-2010, 11:25 PM
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I am interested in knowing why you do not use Uranus, Pluto and Neptune in these charts? Is there some kind of specific reason for this?
They aren't really necessary.

They're helpful as far as confirmation, but they move way too slow, and they're best used as identifying trends in the context of a country's natal chart.

If an Aries Ingress for a country showed indicators of civil war or revolution, I might look at the position of Uranus in that chart, or in the country's natal chart and finding it on the Cusp of the 7th House is good confirmation.

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What about the upcoming US, Britain and Israel invasion of Iran?
There is none.
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Traditional Astrology Says: "...shows a strange mind and very wicked."

Gacy received 12 Death and 21 Life sentences for the murder of 33 boys.
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Old 09-08-2010, 12:17 AM
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Re: Conflict Chart Analysis Part 2

Good post Bob, and thanks for helping teach the rest of us n00bs lol. My horary learning on here didn't go so well, let alone mundane, so this is a bit ahead of me in those areas. I'm gonna trace back through your threads to begin then.
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'To make matters worse,a Peregrine Sun is in an applying square to Mars.'

Sun 14 Lib, Mars 16 Cap,Jupiter 14 Cancer and Saturn 14 Gemini.
9/11 Attack: Me/Asc 14 Lib,Mc 16 Cancer.
U.S Dec of Ind',Sun/Sirius 13 Cancer,Saturn 14 Libra.
World Trade Centre: Ribbon cut,Ven/Sun 13/14 Aries,Saturn 15 Gemini.
Bin Laden:Mar 10 1957?,Saturn 14 Sag.

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Old 09-19-2010, 06:43 AM
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Re: Conflict Chart Analysis Part 2

Did anyone hear some of the "doomsday" astronomy that came from a stock market astrologist? He predicted that during the Cardinal Climax recently, there would be some event, possibly "nuclear".

Then, of course, in September the Russians and Iranians announced the completion of that nuclear reactor. In Russia, the fires that were burning were apparently burning up ground that had been contaminated by nuclear waste in the past...

I thought it was simply fascinating.

However, I will say this about a future war with Iran. It's absolutely inevitable. It's inevitable because Russia wants it, has been preparing for it, and has been preparing our enemies across the world for it. It cannot be escaped. The "former" communists in Russia, who still throw innocent Journalists from windows, have not given up their dream of conquering the Western world.

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Old 09-26-2010, 01:43 PM
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Re: Conflict Chart Analysis Part 2

A question that arises with any conflict is the Cassus Belli (the Cause of the War), is it Just or Unjust?

To determine that, we look at Mars which is the universal significator of conflicts of all types (between spouses, friends co-workers, legal actions, trade disputes and wars).

The Planet Mars has separated from is the one who starts the conflict. The Planet Mars is applying to, or the Planet that is applying to Mars is the enemy.





Mars at 16° Capricorn has separated from an opposition with Jupiter at 14° Cancer.

That’s very interesting, because we see that Jupiter rules Pisces intercepted in the 12th House of Secret Plans and Schemes and Jupiter rules the Sagittarius 9th House.

Saturn
Jupiter
Mars
Sun
Venus
Mercury
Moon

From our Order of Planets the only two Planets Mars can make aspects with is Jupiter and Saturn. Mars has already separated from Jupiter and prior to that he separated from an opposition with Saturn which rules the 12th House holding Pisces Intercepted.

Only the Sun and Inferior Planets can apply to Mars and the Sun at 14° Libra is in an applying square and represents the Enemy and also the Sun rules the Chart’s 6th House which is the 12th House of Afghanistan.

At first glance the Chart appears descriptive because Jupiter, the one who started the conflict rules Pisces Intercepted in the 12th House, and also the 9th House of Religion. That would certainly fit the apparent cause of the war based on a terrorist attack (Pisces Intercepted in the 12th House) by religious fanatics (9th House).

But is that the case? Can we differentiate between religion and religious extremism? Ruler Jupiter is Angular in the 4th House, Exalted in Cancer and Direct, but Jupiter is also Slow and damaged by a Partile square with an Angular Peregrine Sun in Fall in Libra.

Would that make the difference between religion and religious extremism? I don’t know as I don’t have enough experience.

One thing that has to be taken into consideration is that the 12th House belongs to the US, not Afghanistan, so those are the Secret Plans and Schemes of the US, not Afghanistan and that the 9th House also represents the international trade, commerce and shipping of the US as well as the affairs of US colonies, possessions and territories.

I believe Bonatti is quoting Zael here, but he says:

1) if Mars separates from a Benefic and applies to a Malefic, the cause is Just.

2) if Mars separates from a Malefic and applies to a Benefic, the cause is Unjust

3) if Mars separates from a Benefic and applies to a Benefic, each side “cherishes its just cause.”

4) if Mars separates from a Malefic and applies to a Malefic, each side lies about the cause.


Zael had no problem going into other Signs to look at aspects for Planets applying or separating. In fact in 1st/7th House issues for [love] relationships, lawsuits or conflicts the Planet from which the Moon last separated is given to the Querent/1st House as a co-significator, and if the Moon made no separating aspects in its current Sign, then you look at previous Signs.

Zael would consider Mars to have separated from a Benefic (Venus by trine) and two Malefics Jupiter by opposition (Jupiter is unfortunated by the square aspect from an Angular Peregrine Sun) and from a Malefic (Saturn by opposition) and two Malefics applying to Mars (Peregrine Sun by square and Peregrine Moon by opposition).

The position of the US would appear to be partially justified, but also based on lies.

The position of Mars in the Chart also indicates the reasons for the war and I’m going to quote Bonatti directly because Mars is in the 10th House:

“And if he [Mars] were in the 10th, it will be because of the king and his honor, and to increase his rulership.”

If I’m not mistaken, I believe a lot of people were of that opinion and Mars Exalted in the 10th would certainly support their opinion.

It’s also noteworthy that Mars is Out-of-Bounds South having a declination of -25°06’ and a Planet Out-of-Bounds is somewhat malicious and doesn’t “play by the rules.”

If the US isn’t being completely open about its motivations for the conflict, can we determine what its real motivations are? I’ll connect the dots.

The Part of Fortune is in the US 8th House which represents multi-national corporations and international banking and the resources of others, in this case Afghanistan, since the Chart’s 8th House is Afghanistan’s 2nd House of finances, possession, wealth and resources.

The Part of Fortune is in Sagittarius.

The Ruler of Sagittarius is Jupiter Exalted in Cancer in the 4th House. The 4th House represents anything that comes out of the ground, like coal, oil, natural gas, metal ores and minerals.

Jupiter rules Pisces Intercepted in the US 12th House of Secret Plans and Schemes.

I’ll continue to post things about this conflict as it continues to unfold, and I’ll also post charts on other conflict that we can look at:

Georgia-Ossetia
Argentina-United Kingdom
Israel-Lebanon
Cuban Missile Crisis
Greece-Turkey
Chad-Sudan
US-Vietnam
Israel-Egypt (1967)
Iceland-United Kingdom

We’ll look at those to see if we can determine who started the conflict, if the conflict was just or unjust, what the real motives might have been and who won the conflict.

If anyone wants to do a chart for those (or any other conflict) and make an interpretation that’s good. The more charts you look at the easier it will be to judge future conflicts.
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Traditional Astrology Says: "...shows a strange mind and very wicked."

Gacy received 12 Death and 21 Life sentences for the murder of 33 boys.
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Old 09-27-2010, 04:17 AM
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Re: Conflict Chart Analysis Part 2

Another one of Mr. Zemco's excellent, well explained (point by point) elaborations of mundane astrological delineation. Mr. Zemco's contributions here on AW in this field are highly appreciated (I certainly appreciate these contributions and I am sure many other AW members are equally grateful to Mr. Zemco for spending the time to post these valuable insights)
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Amazing analysis, thank you! I haven't studied this branch of astrology yet -are there books or sources you can recommend?

And can you see yet when the US relationship with Afghanistan and Iraq will shift?
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are there books or sources you can recommend?
Well, I wouldn't really recommend Raphael, but it is readily and widely available on the internet in PDF and also I think you can still get it on a site that publishes old astrology books (but you'll have to copy and paste to assemble it).

That'll get you started. You can learn the Planets and their significations and the Houses and their significations.

The mundane houses are more or less an extension of the natal houses so you should pick up on it real quick. He doesn't do a real good job of explaining it and he has made a lot of modifications that don't really work.

There's also a couple of translated older works you can get on Amazon.com or from an on-line book-seller.

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And can you see yet when the US relationship with Afghanistan and Iraq will shift?
I look every couple of months for changes, but the last chart I did here didn't show anything new.

I forgot to mention that Mars in Capricorn will result in a lengthy conflict and here we have Mars in Capricorn in the 10th House. Also Saturn in any angle (1st, 10th, 7th or 4th Houses) will result in a very long conflict and when I do the US 2003 invasion of Iraq you'll see Saturn sitting in the 4th House showing that it will be a long conflict.

Raphael's work is mostly for the Aries Ingress (and other Ingresses and Lunations) but the Planet/House meanings are used for all mundane charts, and then for battles, the houses also have meanings (the 10th is the commanders and their abilities -- 11th is the organization, structure and strategy used -- 2nd House is allies and support etc etc ) and I'll probably put something together and post
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Traditional Astrology Says: "...shows a strange mind and very wicked."

Gacy received 12 Death and 21 Life sentences for the murder of 33 boys.
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Thanks for your feedback, I'll check out Raphael's work...
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