Determining vocational orientation.

[Michael]

It seems it's very easy to point to certain aspects in the chart and say someone has talents for this or that. But I find it to be very inaccurate, because jobs requiere from people certain mental, emotional and physical requirements.

We need to know the requirements of a given profession and determine if the person have the adecuate character, intellectual development, and physical ability to perform the job.

Any thoughts?.

[Vagabondgirl]

Look for 10th house for carreer, planets there and ruler of 10th house and where it is. Some say you should look for 2nd house and ruler for how you earn your money. Mercury also you can look at I think.

[Michael]

Thanks. Well the ruler of the tenth house is mercury and it's on the first house. And the ruler of the second house is venus and it's on the twelfth house.

I guess that means my career will be very important for me, and that I may attain celebrity by it. Also, my career may have to do with astrology or occult knowledge.

[Michael]

Help!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Ebenia]

Please, post your chart, don't scream.

[Michael]

Here is the natal chart.

[R4VEN]

Miguel, I take what you are saying, as I often think about that. That is, one can have a brilliant chart for being - say - a musician, but if this person has been brought up in a very low income situation and without any way out of it, and limited access to musical instruments, then perhaps what they are potentially good at may just be something they long for, or hope to be `discovered' doing.

Again, sometimes what a person loves doing is not possible because they have to earn money, and earn it now. My father was the only son of a farmer, and so his destiny as a farmer was determined by his birth. His passion was music, which he indulged in his spare time, and pursued it almost full time in retirement. He was not an especially good musician (I though he was c r a p at it!) but he loved it, and that's what counted.

Passion is everything. But sometimes passion doesn't pay the bills. This is what makes vocational astrology difficult IMO.

In your chart mercury stands out. Not only is it in its own sign (or one of them) but it rules your MC, and your MNN is also in the 10th in Gemini, so you probably aspire to using communication more and more as you age beyond 35. With Uranus ruling your 6th house of work and service, and Uranus being in the 3rd house of one to one communication and conjunct Jupiter, you may enjoy shocking others with your words and ideas.

The most prominent feature on your chart - as I read it anyway - is that apart from a conjunction to Pluto, your Saturn is unaspected. This means that you have huge powers of self-denial and self-discipline, but you may also sometimes feel very overwhelmed by the restrictions you place on yourself. Saturn rules your 5th house, so letting go and having fun may be difficult for you. Whatever you choose to do, you should allow for your need to push yourself to the limits, but also give yourself the freedom to step away for a while. Otherwise you may end up sabotaging what you create, just so that you no longer feel so confined.

[astrologer50]

Firstly, for a proper evaluation you need to post your chart, preferably with progressions and transits on same wheel found in extended chart selection. Reduce the ratio of orbs to 80%, select smallest image size 63% on picture,then choose house system (my personal preference is for Equal house rather than the default of placidus), right mouse click and select 'save target pic as' and save to hard drive then upload here

pref from astro.com as the cafeastrology one is really badly inadequate

[Michael]

Birth Data


Miguel Antonio Cortés Muñoz 4n36'00
Natal Chart Geocentric
11 Sep 1983 Tropical
5:30:00 AM Placidus
EST +05:00:00 True Node
Bogota Birth Cert AA
Colombia Acc: 5 minutes
74w05'00



Planet Positions


Sun 18z 07' 29" Virgo
Moon 16z 26' 16" Scorpio
Mercury 26z 26' 54" Virgo Retrograde
Venus 23z 33' 40" Leo Retrograde
Mars 18z 21' 47" Leo
Jupiter 03z 53' 16" Sagittarius
Saturn 01z 36' 13" Scorpio
Uranus 05z 24' 31" Sagittarius
Neptune 26z 27' 55" Sagittarius
Pluto 27z 52' 30" Libra
Moon's North Node 20z 38' 05" Gemini Retrograde
Ascendant 12z 29' 04" Virgo
Midheaven 14z 36' 22" Gemini



House Cusps


1 12z 29' 04" Virgo
2 14z 07' 13" Libra
3 15z 18' 30" Scorpio
4 14z 36' 22" Sagittarius
5 12z 49' 53" Capricorn
6 11z 47' 20" Aquarius
7 12z 29' 04" Pisces
8 14z 07' 13" Aries
9 15z 18' 30" Taurus
10 14z 36' 22" Gemini
11 12z 49' 53" Cancer
12 11z 47' 20" Leo



Aspects


Sun Sextile Moon 1z41' A
Sun Square Moon's North Node 2z31' A
Sun Conjunct Ascendant 5z38' A
Sun Square Midheaven 3z31' A
Moon Square Venus 7z07' A
Moon Square Mars 1z56' A
Moon Sextile Ascendant 3z57' A
Mercury Sextile Jupiter 7z26' S
Mercury Square Neptune 0z01' S
Mercury Square Moon's North Node 5z49' A
Venus Conjunct Mars 5z12' A
Venus Trine Neptune 2z54' S
Venus Sextile Pluto 4z19' S
Venus Sextile Moon's North Node 2z56' A
Mars Sextile Moon's North Node 2z16' A
Mars Sextile Midheaven 3z45' A
Jupiter Conjunct Uranus 1z31' A
Saturn Sextile Neptune 5z08' S
Saturn Conjunct Pluto 3z44' S
Uranus Square Ascendant 7z05' S
Neptune Sextile Pluto 1z25' S
Neptune Opposition Moon's North Node 5z50' S
Pluto Trine Moon's North Node 7z14' S
Moon's North Node Conjunct Midheaven 6z02' A
Ascendant Square Midheaven 2z07' A

[Michael]

Does that help?.

[R4VEN]

Originally Posted by Michael

Does that help?.

No, but this will....................

[Michael]

Thank you.

[Claire19]

Originally Posted by Vagabondgirl

Look for 10th house for carreer, planets there and ruler of 10th house and where it is. Some say you should look for 2nd house and ruler for how you earn your money. Mercury also you can look at I think.

Yes I agree with the above and also look at the 6th for general work to backup a career often. The Sun and its position is always very important as it is our basic character. I think that find the right thing to study has been a confusion for you and perhap whether to go abroad or actually where to live. I think domestic matters have caused some conflicts or with your family and their ideas. You would be good with detail and statistics and with the North Node in the 10th you are to attain some kind of a career and a position of authority this time around. Everyday communications and perhaps the printing and publishing media is one option. I can see you doing courses and moving around quite a bit and perhaps with sales and promotions. There is nothing really strong to lead you in one certain direction and you may have several different jobs.

[Claire19]

Yes please dont bother with all the data, the visual chart is what is needed. It must have been very painstaking for you. I can see you being good with numbers and detail and not surprised that you put up the chart in this manner. Very orderly.

[LittleMiss]

6th house can tell you something on how you relate to dutys, and your everyday life. No matter what kind of job you have, I think 6th house tells you something about how you do that job...

I belive that 10th house show what type of career we can prosper into, but that is by time and developement, considering house 4 and where we come from. Also in a psychological point of view.
Everything has to be working in your forth house, and inner self for you to come to your full potensial in 10th.

Sorry for my poor english, I feel a little blocked expresing my opinion, but I hope you guys get my drift.

[astrologer50]

Originally Posted by Claire19

Yes I agree with the above and also look at the 6th for general work to backup a career often. The Sun and its position is always very important as it is our basic character. I think that find the right thing to study has been a confusion for you and perhap whether to go abroad or actually where to live. I think domestic matters have caused some conflicts or with your family and their ideas. You would be good with detail and statistics and with the North Node in the 10th you are to attain some kind of a career and a position of authority this time around. Everyday communications and perhaps the printing and publishing media is one option. I can see you doing courses and moving around quite a bit and perhaps with sales and promotions. There is nothing really strong to lead you in one certain direction and you may have several different jobs.

Funny that I have N Node in Scorpio 10th and at age 53 am in no way on course for a position of authority or prominance!
To me N Node is your Soul's Life Lessons, this time around. It could be vocational, it could be creative, artistic, learning morals, principles, how to be nice to people, to learn humility, ethics, details, philosophy. To put yourself forward and push the way your present yourself Asc or vice versa - to come away from self and learn Libra 7th house balance. It could to learn how to integrate work life with family commitments, it could be to come away from work/career and build somthing solid for family and to be there for them.......

Money & you
http://www.astrotheme.com/files/money_and_you.php
career significators
http://www.librarising.com/astrology/misc/significators.html
Professional & Destiny
http://www.astrotheme.com/files/astrology_professional_destiny.php
http://www.librarising.com/astrology/misc/significators.html


Talent triangle -Pluto & saturn apex
http://joycehopewell.blogspot.com/2006/07/belle-filles-recorder.html
http://www.michaelconneely.com/tantric2.html

Focus on your pluto as it's also a singleton ie: only planet in air AND cardinal quality.

Do you know what years your mercury and poss venus turned direct? these would be important ages for development
Retrograde planets
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=22923
http://astrology.findyourfate.com/astrology-retrograde.htm
http://www.north-node.com/astrology-tutorials/retrogrades
http://www.north-node.com/astrology-tutorials/retrogrades
http://www.skyviewzone.com/astrology/retrogradeplanets.htm
http://www.cafeastrology.com/retrogrades.html
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showpost.php?p=5796&postcount=8
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showpost.php?p=5861&postcount=10
Pluto retrograde in scorpio above

there has been an intersting thread on venus square moon aspect which you have --
venus square moon
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=24933&highlight=venus+square+moon

Your chart is very subjective and focused on self. Mercury rules your MC and is in 1st square to neptune quite closely, suggesting over active imagination, daydreaming, mis communications (both ways)