Farrah Fawcett and Michael Jackson

[tikana]

Hi guys

this is interesting and sad

Farrah Fawcett and Michael Jackson die in the same day hours apart

Farrah Fawcett died at 9:30 am PDT
Michael Jackson died 2:26 pm PDT

Sun 4 cancer
moon 18 leo
merc 15 gemini
venus 19 taurus
mars 18 taurus
jupiter 26 aq retro
saturn 16 virgo
neptune 26 aq
uranus 1 cap
nnode 0 aq
pluto 1 cap retro


here is Farrah Fawcett's natal chart

http://www.astrolreport.com/famous/fawcett.f.htm

i will come back later and look at both charts.

Cheers
T

[thread is about celebrities so moved to Celebrity Astrology - Moderator]

[katydid]

He may have actually died earlier than that. CNN just reported that the 911 call came in @ 12;29 pm. When the ambulance arrived he was non responsive and in full cardiac arrest. But it is true that he was declared dead @ 315 pm PDT.

Where did you get the time for this MJ chart. On another thread people seemed to be bickering over the correct time.

I can see validity in this chart however. Moon in Pisces in the 10th seems to describe his profound impact on the public. And the Uranus in his 3rd describes the wiping away of his childhood, while the Venus there describes his never really growing up.

The Mars in the 12th in Taurus, describes the 'confusion' concerning his sexual identitiy. People have often described him as being a-sexual in some ways.

Even his many lawsuits and legal troubles are shown here. Saturn rules his 8th, and is smack dab on the 7th, in Sag. It squares the Moon in the 10th, and opposes the asc. He was involved in dozens and dozens of multimillion dollar legal suits, both as the defendant, and the plaintiff.

[AquariusT]

Michael: I heard 3:15 PM PDT on CNN here in NY at 6:30 pm or so.

[tikana]

CNN reported 2:26 pm PDT
http://omg.yahoo.com/news/king-of-po...official/24348

[katydid]

Originally Posted by Froggy

I'm no pro at this at all, but I noticed this:
His 8th house ruler is venus, and 8th can be death, right?
His venus is in Leo, which rules heart stuff, right? His venus is at 16 degrees Leo, and the moon was right around there this afternoon.
I mean of course obviously the moon conjuncts his venus every single month, but I just wonder if maybe it was a trigger?

He has natal venus 3 deg conjunct natal uranus, and so by progression, uranus was less than a degree away from going exact. Uranus could be sudden, right?
And his progressed venus was conjunct his natal AC.

I dunno, just some random obvservations.

This all sounds correct, but the chart that Tikana posted has Saturn ruling his 8th. What chart did you see having venus as the 8th house ruler? I know there are other charts posted in the earlier thread on him in the celebrity forum.

[cassanra]

Using Tikanas posted chart at or around12:00 mercury would be crossing his ascendant, sun at 4 degrees cancer, mars and venus at 19 degrees Taurus which would form a quincux to his 8th house ruler saturn. As someone commented on Farrahs chart on another thread, feb.9 the dragons tail lunar eclipse fell at 21 degrees Leo. this would create a sensitive point for MJ at the IC or end of life point. This squares saturn ruler of the 8th. Saturn is creating a square to the ascendant with in minutes of exact. Saturn is also opposite his moon.
I would think we would be looking for something related to the sun or heart or fifth house though we know that uranus has been transiting oppositie his fifth house cusp and maybe saturn had already triggered the event when it conjuncted his sun some time ago. I am not sure but that is what I can see so far.

[cassanra]

It appears his progressed sun is at 26 libra which would put uranus in a quincux stationing and jupiter, neptune trine the progressed sun.
Solar arc jupiter is conjunct saturn.
Lots of things going on there but I think quincux tells us something yet again.

[katydid]

From AOL NEWS:

TMZ was the first to report the news. According to reports, the pop legend suffered a cardiac arrest this afternoon and medics were unable to revive him. A TMZ source said Jackson was dead when paramedics arrived, while the Times says he was in a deep coma upon arrival.
The 50-year-old singer was picked up this afternoon at his rented home in Bel Air around 12:26 p.m. where medics had to administer CPR before transporting him to UCLA hospital.
Capt. Steve Ruda of the Los Angeles Fire Dept. told the LA Times that Jackson was not breathing when help arrived at the house, which is about a two minute drive from the hospital.
Earlier, a Jackson family member told TMZ Michael is in "really bad shape." Joseph Jackson, the patriarch of the musical clan, also told media outlets his son was "not doing well."
A report in Britain's The Sun newspaper, citing a UCLA Medical Center source, claims that Jackson received an injection of Demerol -- a drug similar to morphine -- shortly before the incident and began breathing very shallow shortly after. A photo of a police 911 computer purportedly from a call related to Jackson says the subject was "not breathing at all."
The 'Thriller' superstar has long been addled by health problems and has had addictions to painkillers in the past.

[Charm]

According to Robert Brown. The eclipses are forming hard angles to his Uranus in leo, which leo rules the heart and of course it being uranus gives bizarre circumstances of death. There is some speculation of prescription drug interactions contributing to the cardiac arrest.

[Gwenyhfair]

this is very interesting, And I think it has to do with the eclipses. MJ has sun and neptune in virgo, so saturn has been bombarding all these planets last years very much. Even thou the death was sudden, I believe MJ has reached signs about danger all time saturn has been in virgo, but perhaps not trusted his intuition. And this year saturn has been opposing his moon. I had that transit myself, one of the hardest I think. Death is in my opinion not something that comes from out of the blue, we all know it and accep it, if on a deep subconscious level. When I had saturn opp moon I felt like I could have committed suicide if there had been some action trigging transits then. MJ perhaps did not commit suicide, but he chose to die, to give up.

The upcoming solar eclipse would be on his 9 house cusp. Just away from the 8hs, if birth time is accurate. The feb lunar eclipse hit close to his natal uranus. Eclipses are active for half a year some say, I tend to believ that.

Pluto is about to enter his 8 hs.... The mars-venus so close to his natal mars. Just think this conjuction also has a strong impact on events, not at all sex and romance for everybody.





Anyway,does anybody parallells between Elvis here...? I mean their career, the mystic life, medication and death.


Moon in pisces always makes a diffucult life

[peacebird]

I need to know how you know were Michael Jackson born at 11:53 PM? Was it from a parent's memory, birth certificate, birth time rectification ,etc.?

Originally Posted by tikana

Cheers
T

[Mod edit - to move the very brief response above the very long quote.]

[starlink]

Michael Jackson Death and Astrology Have a look at this link, most interesting. There are two more MJackson threads going on in the Celebrity Forum. Check it out. It seems we have now 3 different birthtimes, one of the with a 0°Aries Asc. (dont believe that one). This link looks very accurate to me.

Ascendant 16° Gemini suits him and ruler Mercury in Leo, the kings sign, but in the 4th, showing his reclusiveness and indeed ambivalent sexuality (square Mars in 12) looks to me like the right chart.

[Effie]

I think someone who is knowledgeable should also look at MJ chart of any indications of possible foul play, as there is a lot of speculation right now that he did not die naturally and he may have been given medication by other people who were reckless.

[tikana]

guys

we cannot speculate who and why allowed MJ's life to be cut short. Toxicology results will come in 6-8 weeks. He was complaining of feeling weak the night before, the doctor came in early in the morning. Former family attorney has said that he should have been taken to the hospital that night, that was not done... if he was injecting Demorol which is known to stall breathing and cause a heartbeat to stop,\, that wold be enough for criminal/wreckless charges against the doctor. Demorol is cautiously used in hospitals due to its potency

i started this thread so we can look at both charts and see what is common since the deaths occured within a few hours of each other.

Cheers
T

[peacebird]

how you know were Michael Jackson born at 11:53 PM or born at PM !? is he said that ,was it from a parent's memory, birth certificate, or birth time rectification ?
some astrologier said Michael was born at AM !!!!!!!!!

[tikana]

Peacebird

I believe this is from city hall records

T

[peacebird]

Originally Posted by tikana

Peacebird

I believe this is from city hall records

T

what you mean about this?

[tikana]

I mean you can retrieve birth certificates from city hall because it is public record

[aquarius7000]

Originally Posted by tikana

i started this thread so we can look at both charts and see what is common since the deaths occured within a few hours of each other.

Well, Tik, when is this happening from your side as the thread poster?
Especially, as you said the following in your second post:

i will come back later and look at both charts.

If I haven't missed your astro contribution somewhere, then this thread would actually belong in the Greenhorns' Lounge.

AQ7

[tikana]

okay here it comes

Michael Jackson died from appearant cardiac arrest wheather or not this was caused by a heart attack we will not know until 4-6 weeks from now
Michael Jackson has battleed his addiction with painkillers and Vitiligo, which made his skin white. It is really not a common skin disorder but its patients have been diagnosed with vitiligo have experienced medium or severe depression. Also, Michael Jackson suffered with anorexia. this is a well known fact since he ate only once a day. Also according to his ex doctor, surgiries themselves ruined his face and personality. It was also rumoured that Jackson suffered from body dysmorphic disorder and anorexia. the biggest contreversy is his nose. MJ's nose and his father's noses are idetical. knowing that MJ resented his father for stealing his childhood and beating him, it is probably one of the major reasons why MJ kept changing his nose. This abuse was backed by La Toya's Jackson and without being verbal Janet Jackson fired Joseph, their father, by filing and winning a lawsuit. this shoudl be a very complex natal and transit chart to look at ...

Farrah Fawcett unlike MJ died from battling for 2 years cancer which came back.

let's look at MJ's chart

i would look at transits to the angles fiurst since it is a very personal

there are a sticks out is saturn squaring asce, where saturn rules 8th house and more alarming aspect is neptune and jupiter conjuncting MC.

Now,,,, if i am to look at MC.. there is more ... transit mars and venus both squaring MC ,, it has been said that mars and sun are trigger planets

what is really interesting is that other than pluto trining sun, there is nothing going on.

his moon is completely other story
saturn is opposing moon and nnode semisquaring it.
saturn is coming from 4th house...

let's look at mercury.. mercury rules his asce
jupiter opposes mercury
neptune opposes merc

this is a very troubling chart

mars a resident of 12th is being aspected by
jupiter squaring mars
saturn trining mars
neptune square mars
mars and venus conj mars

I also suspect that Neptune is actually in his 6th house
saturn is semisquaring neptune
pluto sextile neptune
nnode square neptune

his problems iwth health show with pluto

jupiter opposed pluto
neptuen opposed pluto
pluto trined pluto

the real nail in the coffin IMO is is his venus which rules his 12th house
mars and venus square venus
sun semisquares venus
pluto sesquadrates venus

eclipses are very active

solar eclipse jan 26
squares neptune
opposes uranus

lunar eclipse 20 leo
squares mars
trine ssaturn
opposes mc
sextiles nnode
sextile asce

seem like lunar eclipse triggered Mars to get activated aloing wiht neptune and uranus. We know he was on painkillers and has been adiccted for years. what triggered it? we will never know.

part 2 ... Farrah Fawcett

[tikana]

Farrah Fawcett

Eclipses in the winter

Solar eclipse
conj mars
semisquare mc
sesquad moon (resident of 12th house and ruler of her asce)
oppoose saturn (ruler of 8th house)
trine nnode

lunar eclipse
sextile moon
semisquare asce
oppose merc (resident of 8th house)
sextile uranus (12th house)

solar eclipse is was sitting in her 8th house

so here we can see that 8th hosue is activated along with its residents

Uranus semisquares Sun
mars squares sun

jupiter trines moon
saturn squares moon
neptune trines moon

mercury was to be conjucnted by jupiter and neptune - too far from putting a dent in her chart

jupiter sextile venus
uranus squared venus
neptuen sextile venus
pluto conj venus

interesignly enough Mars is not aspected by anything other than conjuncted by nnode

Jupiter a ruler o fher 6th house is the real nail biter
mars and venus both oppose jupiter
jupiter squares jupiter
uranus trines jupiter
neptune squares jupiter

as in MJ's chart
asce and mc are being activated

sun conj asce
venus and mars semisquared asce
pluto opposed asce

mars and venus sextiled mc
saturn opposed mc
uranus separated conj with MC but
because mc in midpoint of the pull and push from saturn'/uranus.. that makes me think that maybe that was nail in the coffin along with eclipses

I havent gone through progressionsa and solar arcs yet
transits show a lot what was to come.


Cheers
T

[DiDi]

hey everyone
Ive been trying to find out what transits impacted the death of my dad so im also interested in mj time of death..
all the reports in australia say a call to the ambos came in at around 12.26pm as the call was from his doctor who was with him, id say he would have died around 12 ish?
the 2.26 time was the official time of death by the hospital.. only he was allready dead on arrival?

does anyone have more info on this please?

[katydid]

Originally Posted by DiDi

hey everyone
Ive been trying to find out what transits impacted the death of my dad so im also interested in mj time of death..
all the reports in australia say a call to the ambos came in at around 12.26pm as the call was from his doctor who was with him, id say he would have died around 12 ish?
the 2.26 time was the official time of death by the hospital.. only he was allready dead on arrival?

does anyone have more info on this please?

Supposedly, he was given a shot of Demerol [ a powerful painkiller] @ 11:30 am. He began experiencing trouble breathing almost immediately. He laid down and never really came back from the shot. When he lost consciousness, which was sometime after 12:15, they began CPR. By 12:25 ,when they called 911, he had no pulse.
During the 911 call, the bodyguard says that the doctor has had no success with the CPR. Some people have said that he was essentially dead by the time the ambulance arrived.

[tikana]

Katy

you could be right cause the call came in at 12:21 pm .. the bodyguard said that MJ was NOT breathing and **** doctor was giving him CPR while he was laying on the bed. the first thing people learn is that you cannot give anyone CPR while the person is on the bed cause A. it is ineffective B. the person who gives CPR might damage other parts of the body esp spine or a lung. it is just DUMB.... another thing.. why the heck was the doctor missing?

He was pronounced dead at 2:26 pm.. if the brain was still functioning then he was "alive" until 2:26 pm.. if we to go by heart, he was dead between 11 am and 12:21 pm.

Deepak, i forgot his last name, raised a question which is very valid "how many people will we lose to prescirption drugs?" ... ex attorney for MJ said that it is a good thing that family got a grip on Britney Spears cause she could have been next. Whether or nnot she was addicted to presciption drugs, we do not know BUT losing MJ like this is just pure homocide. we all die but MJ was slowly dying for years and no one had the guts and the brains to put an end to this...

T

[katydid]

I know for a fact that he was addicted to painkillers. I will not say exactly how I know, by using any names, but I do know some one in the music business, who was attempting to help him get ready for the upcoming 50 shows. People close to him could see how very stressful this whole thing was for him. He was just not physically ready or able to take on such a huge task. They also said he was very worried about letting people down, because he was not the dancer or singer that he once was. He knew that, and it was horrible because he put so much pressure on himself, but there was really nothing he could do about it. He had been rehearsing really hard for a couple of months, and his body was in a lot of pain from the strain. This is the same guy who was recently seen in wheelchairs whenever he went out. And now he had reeled in 85 million dollars for 50 huge shows in London, and he was realizing how difficult it was going to be to pull it off successfully. He could not and would not accept failure, nor could he deal with bad reviews if he were to disappoint his fans. In my opinion, the prescription drugs took their toll on him, with the added pressure of the upcoming concert dates. He just gave in.