Will the Dollar Collapse

Jrsaman · #1 12-22-2008, 09:55 PM

This is my first attempt at Horary so I not versed in its interpretation so I brought it here.
Ive always been a republican who has always gave into bouts of conspircy theorys mainly because of my mistrust of authority.
Im a fiscal conservative who is very liberal in social issues (think Ron Paul)
Anyway after doing much research online about the possible coming of the collapse of the dollar it popped in my head to ask it to a chart I looked at the clock on the computer and it clicked to 1:10 pm so here it is ....

I was shocked ot see the ascendant of the chart was exactly conjunct with my north node.
I have been spreading these thoughts on the dollar and needing to divert dollar into more tangible assets like gold,silver or currencies backed by such as we all know the dollar is not backed by anything.
Venus is conj Chiron right past my acendent
the POF of the chart is exactly on my anti vertex
Merc is conj the MC in the Horary chart.
Vesta conj Ascendant ?

I need a little help from you more exprienced astrologers

The attached file is my birth chart if your interested.

Thank You

Will the Dollar collapse ?

natasa812 · #2 12-22-2008, 10:52 PM

Dear Jrsaman
1. You dont need your birth chart for the horary.
2. Go to the Educational bord for some basic rules about a horary.
3. The AC is too late which means that you already know the answer or that it is too late to do anything (I thing that you know - as everybody else, that the dollar will colapse or at least it has many possibilities with the world crisis)
4. If the dollar is represented by the 2o house (the income), than the dollar is Mercury - Mercury is at the end of 9th so it is interpreted in 10th. Mercury is in terms of Mars (a possibility for war and money losts?) and is also in trine with Saturn which rules the 10th (carriers) and the 11th (hopes) and is also a planet of obstruction (the Saturn). The 6th (every day job) is ruled by Mars which is in Sagittarius and in combust (burned by Sun) - so ``the situation`` with jobes is very weak at this time (losts I guess). The 8th house (other peoples money) is ruled by Jupiter but Jupiter is in Saturns terms. The moon - the outcome is in weak aspect with Mercury (if we can accept that the dollar is Mercury) and trines Uranus (unexepted event) and Uranus is in 12th. Moon looks strong in the 7th and the 4th house (the end of matter) is ruled by Moon. Also, ``the end`` houses are the 4th, the 8th and the 12th and the 8th is ruled by Venus (no aspect to Moon) and the 12th is ruled by Jupiter but he is not in a good condition. Mars is in Sagittarius (foreign country?) also in conj. with Pluto.
My knoledge goes so far, I am not sure that this interpretation is corect, I wish that nothing collapses any more...
Best regards
Natasha

RayAustin · #3 12-22-2008, 11:23 PM

Very good Natasa! I'll be adding my two cents soon.

RayAustin · #4 12-23-2008, 12:05 AM

Well, you could use your birth chart if you wanted like he did, to see a connection but for a judgment, not really.
Mercury is weak in place of the ninth. Ninth rules publishing, maybe money being weakened by over-printing. I think the fact that mercury rules paper/writings as well as contracts/deals (bail-outs?) confirms that. Ninth is also the place of 'expansion', and money in this place weak, = inflation. It is also weakened by foreign affairs.
The late ascendant indeed says the situation is very advanced.
Money is in the exaltation of mars. Mars rules the seventh, war, our open enemies. Our money then being exhausted on the war.
Mercury is also being burned by the fifth house ruler -- social issues with children. Perhaps, supporting the public education system. Or maybe it has to do with recruiting/getting young soldiers, reimbursing for college.. etc. It's so very fitting that mars is in the ninth as well, a war against foreigners on their territory.
Sun is conjunct pluto -- the nations youth dying in the war, funeral costs, etc, possibly 'burning' the nations' wealth.

The moon in fall and via combusta showing an indeed 'dark situation'. It's in fall in the seventh, of the war, the war will weaken it.
As I look at it, mercury is really in the tenth, conjunct the midheaven. So its description in the ninth is carried to the tenth or vice versa, the tenth is the president. The president right now being Bush, of course. So mercury under Saturn means it is the President's doing with our money situation.
Mercury conjunct the midheaven means that the world will know of this, our 'worldly position' is connected to the weakened money.
Jupiter squares the ascendant, us, the people as a nation. Jupiter in the tenth again is our worldly position. Jupiter is in fall, our wealth as a whole in fall. It rules in the chart debt, and foreign affairs. The debt as Jupiter (large) and the foreign affairs will be a strain, Jupiter suggesting it will increase.
Again, Jupiter is ruled by Saturn, the president/government, and it is the president and his administration who is to blame for the debt and foreign affairs.
I don't like that mars trines the ascendant. :O Nor Jupiter's (death, secrets/secret enemies) square. I'm not sure if that's war, on our turf? Or merely that its on our consciousness. I will hope for the latter.
Moon sextiles mercury. The moon itself being the end of matter. Maybe there is an opportunity to turn this around. 5°, five months or so. Moon sextiles the midheaven at 5°, another chance to improve our worldly position in this time. It squares venus, which is the intercept ruler of the common people, as well as our enemies. Another conflict perhaps?
The moon sextiles Saturn (11 months). Another chance for the government to turn things around .. its last aspect is a sextile to Jupiter.
As far as judgment, I think the chart is saying things are looking bad, but there will be opportunities to turn it around. The outcome may not be 'set in stone' yet.

RayAustin · #5 12-23-2008, 01:03 AM

Something else to notice. Mars, symbol of war, is at the late degrees as well .. maybe showing that it will indeed end soon? :O Mars is mutable and cadent.. which could be a time frame of years. 30°-26°40' ... three and a half years? Just in time for 2012? Haha ...

Jrsaman · #6 12-23-2008, 01:38 AM

Thanks for the imput I eagerly await as much more as I can get.
I do think the dollar will crash but still paralyzed as of what to do.
I believe if it does it will be at the end of 09.
Just a gut feeling.

RayAustin · #7 12-23-2008, 01:52 AM

Hey ..
you might want to get a smaller signature, lol.

But..
back to the chart.. if we consider the end of matter is in 'fall', I think the answer is a very good chance of a yes, but again, there are opportunities to turn it around.

natasa812 · #8 12-23-2008, 11:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ra_divinington

Very good Natasa! I'll be adding my two cents soon.

Oh my god! I have ``very good`` from Ra... I must making some progress indeed... You are adding much more than two cents dear RA!
Thank you, thank you
By the way, for every horary you aswered, you were right (at least for my questions). You are a star!öíê
Natasha

RayAustin · #9 12-23-2008, 12:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by natasa812

Oh my god! I have ``very good`` from Ra... I must making some progress indeed... You are adding much more than two cents dear RA!
Thank you, thank you
By the way, for every horary you aswered, you were right (at least for my questions). You are a star!öíê
Natasha

Yay, I'm good! Lol.

You're making a lot of progress too in a short time (from what I've seen, anyway).
Yeah, the chart was saying so much, it was hard to just say a little bit..

Ra

natasa812 · #10 12-23-2008, 12:45 PM

Dear Ra, to clear the missunderstending (it is my english) but I must say that I suspecct that you are modest... What I meant was that your contribution to this Forum is much more than as you described it as ``two cents``. Comparing to you, I am adding 0,0000000002 cents

Culpeper · #11 12-23-2008, 06:58 PM

First I must point out that thanks to Richard Nixon our fiat dollars really are backed by something. He demonetized gold, and it became just another commodity. However, the dollar is now loosely backed by petroleum. Evidently Nixon's economists mistakenly thought that petroleum would continue to be in demand and have a stable price. Well, the first assumption was true. The value of the dollar and the price of oil usually move in opposite directions.

For a horary question concerning a mundane issue, mundane methods of interpretation should be used to obtain reliable results. I also use the whole sign house system in which the boundaries of the houses and signs are the same.

In your chart Taurus is the second house representing the dollar. Venus is the significator, and it is located in Aquarius the 11th sign/house. Venus is not very strong in Aquarius, but it is with the favorable ascending node, in the terms of Jupiter, and the 11th house is always a favorable location. Aquarius itself is a peaceful and enlightened sign especially when Saturn does not behold it which is the case.

Petroleum and all things from the earth are represented by the 4th sign/house which in this chart is Cancer. The Moon is significator located in Scorpio and the 8th house. The Moon is in its fall representing the plunging price of petroleum. There is an applying square aspect to Venus in the natural direction of the signs. This is favorable and indicates that the falling price of petroleum will continue to bolster the value of the dollar. Since Venus is in a fixed sign and succeedant house this situation may well continue for at least six years years as indicated by the number of degrees required to complete the aspect. There may be some interference from Mercury representing monetary manipulations.

Jrsaman · #12 12-24-2008, 05:24 AM

Great input...I could defintley see where the drop in oil will and has bolstered the dollar but how long will that last...the government is doin all kinds of wierd stuff lately with money. Just giving it away without regaurd.Almost like these people who know they are gonna file bancrupcy and go on a spree right before,why not.
China is holdin most of this debt but I ve heard they wont dump it on to the market becuse it would only destroy their very own investment in the dollar.
How long will they be willing to fund our consumption basically ?
The Feds have been printing money since 01 .... what is ahead ?