Boomers & The North Node

[MamaMinnee]

The transiting South Node has conjuncted some of your natal generational placements of Uranus, Saturn and Pluto, resulting in a collective/eleventh-house, karmic drain regarding tenth and eighth house matters. Some have lost their financial nest egg, while others are delaying retirement and continuing to work. And, the South Node is on it's way to the August 1, 2008 eclipse degree, which will most likely result in additional fallout.

Alternately, what type of independence, freedom, sense of community, etc... has been ushered in with the opposing transiting North Node in Aquarius? How are you now liberated?

[Theo]

Originally Posted by MamaMinnee

The transiting South Node has conjuncted some of your natal generational placements of Uranus, Saturn and Pluto, resulting in a collective/eleventh-house, karmic drain regarding tenth and eighth house matters. Some have lost their financial nest egg, while others are delaying retirement and continuing to work. And, the South Node is on it's way to the August 1, 2008 eclipse degree, which will most likely result in additional fallout.

Alternately, what type of independence, freedom, sense of community, etc... has been ushered in with the opposing transiting North Node in Aquarius? How are you now liberated?

Good work on this MamaMinnee... you've seen this as well. Very good. This had been coming for a long time, but many failed to take note, nor to prepare for the downturn in finances causes by rampant speculation, financial corruption and excess spending.

The transiting Dragon's Tail in Leo sweeping across the Boomer generation's Leo positions will open up into other planetary transits between 2009 to 2014, whenSaturn's transit in Scorpio (2012-2014) squares these Leo positions of this particular generation. There is a lot of loss that stems directly from failure to prepare for the future. And now, the future is nearly here...

[cassanra]

Born in 59...the trailing end of the bablyboomer generation, I find it interesting that an event such as the n/s node would collectively affect certain houses...in my chart specifically the north/south node only hits on Uranus at 13 degrees in the 5th thus that 11/5 axis has been awakened. Saturn and pluto will follow in the next year and the north node will apex on my 2009/2010 solar return MC at 0 degrees which I found fairly alarming and maybe indicative of what you were indicating.

[MamaMinnee]

Originally Posted by cassanra

Born in 59...the trailing end of the bablyboomer generation, I find it interesting that an event such as the n/s node would collectively affect certain houses...in my chart specifically the north/south node only hits on Uranus at 13 degrees in the 5th thus that 11/5 axis has been awakened. Saturn and pluto will follow in the next year and the north node will apex on my 2009/2010 solar return MC at 0 degrees which I found fairly alarming and maybe indicative of what you were indicating.

Hi Cassandra! Since the outer planets are considered generational, affecting an entire generation--in this case, Boomers--we can assume that these aspects are affecting all of you at various times. Uranus is the natural eleventh house ruler--the collective; Saturn is the natural tenth house ruler--career/status, as well as the eleventh house co-ruler; and Pluto is the eighth house co-ruler--investments/money (along with Mars), so in general, we can anticipate these areas and interests will be activated, for some more personally than others.

From your other post, aren't you going into the office for your career now? How would that liberate you or give you more freedom?

[cassanra]

I think I said that wrong. The south node is currently conjunct my natal uranus in leo. Do you think that that would allow more freedom? I wonder...
right now I have a lot of freedom but if they allowed us to work from home with the use of computers that would free me/ us (uranus-electronic), maybe more opportunities as there does not feel like any now and more money I have more freedom than others and it seems like freedoms keep disappearig.

[starlink]

Very interesting thread Mamaminny and I must admit that I did not look for this particular South Node transit as I still , after so many years, have yet to come to terms with the real meaning of the Nodes (and other "points" in astrology actually). Especially with the Nodes there seems to be a big guessing game going on regarding their influence.

After reading Nexus's article about the Nodes and looking at different links etc. I have not seen mentioning of this what you are describing as actually something definitively unpleasant happening to the Boomer generation or any other unpleasant happening when South Node transits a generational planet only, that the Nodes used to be described as good versus bad.

In fact, some theories even show a positive side to the South Node. I wonder how that then would work out.

I have Pluto at 11° Leo, Saturn at 2° Leo, so they have been harrassed by the transit of the South Node and will be again. Saturn will get the conjunction again next year May, just after my birthday. It rules my modern 3rd house, my traditional 4th house. At 2° both will square my Mercury, ruler of my 8th house and 11th. Much llater South Node will conjunct my MC at 21° Leo.

I wonder if this means that I will be confronted with death in my family and eventually to myself as Pluto rules my Ascendant modernly speaking.
Pluto squares, my Moon and Sun also, which makes things even more attractive LOL!! So far, absolutely nothing has happened to me which was dreadful or sad and South Node has been up there in Leo quite a while already. Does it maybe need a few retro's and foreward motions to be felt?
Uranus is in my 4th house and exactly squares my natal Uranus. Only thing I do feel here is that I wanted to change house. I resolved this by changing the furniture placements in my home in order to avoid major havoc to my partner who really never wants to leave here anymore. I am at peace again after this

whenSaturn's transit in Scorpio (2012-2014) squares these Leo positions

and this will make it even more juicy as I have Chiron (4°) and Moon (17°) in Scorpio opposite Sun (14°) in Taurus.

and Pluto is the eighth house co-ruler--investments/money

and death not to forget!!

Oh well, we can speculate until we are blue in the face, but I think that South Node alone will not cause all the distress. There should be more going on transit wise. Jupiter and Pluto transiting my 2nd house do make nice sextile and trine to my Moon and Sun but square Venus and Mars (the rulers of the Sun and the Moon). Another puzzle. How to figure this one out?
I have often great difficulty figuring my own chart out so I just wait and see.

Cheers, Starlink

[Kingsley]

I agree with you Starlink. There are many people of different ages who have been buffeted by the economical storms. It surprises me that boomer bashing is still hapening here? Theo? You seem to be starting a cult of old folk discriminations here. I am 51 years old, I dont know whether that qualifies as Boomer status but things are just fine with me.

kingsley

[MamaMinnee]

Originally Posted by starlink

I have not seen mentioning of this what you are describing as actually something definitively unpleasant happening to the Boomer generation or any other unpleasant happening when South Node transits a generational planet only, that the Nodes used to be described as good versus bad.

Hi Starlink! I feel that when the South Node transits a planet, you will fill a 'drain' in the nature of the planet--for example, if it is the South Node conjunct Jupiter, you will be traveling... but for a draining or responsible reason, not vacation. So, with Boomers, their generational planets in Leo are being affected through Uranus/eleventh, Saturn/tenth and Pluto/eighth. The evidence is in things like Boomers experiencing: extended work due to dimished retirement funds; diminished retirement funds due to rogue, mismanaged financial institutions; and financial speculation for large monies over a certain amount being honored/guaranteed at banks, etc.... These things are basically exclusively affecting the Boomers as a group since they are the demographic with the most money, immediately retiring, etc...

In fact, some theories even show a positive side to the South Node. I wonder how that then would work out.

There is definitely a positive side, which generally works out through the opposing North Node; and that is what I am asking the Boomers to reveal. With the North Node in Aquarius, there should be some positive community-like, unifying, liberating revelations with roots based on the South Node transits.

[MamaMinnee]

Originally Posted by Kingsley

I agree with you Starlink. There are many people of different ages who have been buffeted by the economical storms. It surprises me that boomer bashing is still hapening here? Theo? You seem to be starting a cult of old folk discriminations here. I am 51 years old, I dont know whether that qualifies as Boomer status but things are just fine with me.

Please let it be known that MamaMinnee LOVES Boomers and those of all ages--and I am sure Theo does, too. That said, can you think of a way the South Node transiting your Leo outer planets have resulted in a drain; and how that was possibly the catalyst for something Aquarian-like? Please share. With Love!

[Kingsley]

I can see plenty of things that would indicate a catylist around the begining of the year Mamaminni. That was when the south node hit my Pluto. I became quite ill. The south node over natal planets is a trigger indeed among other considerations the south node is not usually that good for any planet. There is always someting going on in the stars; What about you MM?

kingsley

[cara4art]

"I can see plenty of things that would indicate a catylist around the begining of the year Mamaminni. That was when the south node hit my Pluto. I became quite ill. The south node over natal planets is a trigger indeed among other considerations the south node is not usually that good for any planet." - Kingsley

Yikes! For me that South Node has been in my 6th house for awhile now, and has just passed my Moon(15 Leo), and is now within a degree of being conjunct with my Pluto(11 Leo), and will go on to conjunct my Saturn at 6 Leo! Does this mean poor health? I hope not, and as I've said here before, I do watch my health and fitness by natural means(not the scary 70 is the new 50 type of thing that Theo mentions over on the Saturn-Uranus opposition thread).Maybe instead of my health being affected, it will be my work. Moon rules part of my 4th and 5th, Pluto rules my 8th and part of my 9th, and Saturn rules part of my 10th and 11th houses, so maybe the affairs of these houses may come into play as well. But basically, on a day to day basis, I am trying to keep my life simple and clear. For my husband, this nodal activity with the South Node happens in his loaded 12th house, with the Sun, Mercury, Pluto, and Chiron there. I've attached my chart so anyone can take a look if they care to. Thanks!

[Theo]

Originally Posted by Kingsley

I agree with you Starlink. There are many people of different ages who have been buffeted by the economical storms. It surprises me that boomer bashing is still hapening here? Theo? You seem to be starting a cult of old folk discriminations here. I am 51 years old, I dont know whether that qualifies as Boomer status but things are just fine with me.

kingsley

At 51, no, you are not a baby boomer. Those who just turned 50+ are from the tail-end of that generation, known as "Generation Jones" which is not of the boomer generation.

As for " cult of old folk disciminataions" ~ I don't know what you mean by that, but in no way I am "boomer bashing" ~ however, my eyes are open, and I know this generation, its transits, and its history. I am not the only one out there who has seen the failures and major problems this particular generation has left on this country, and the world, and I do not think that stating them in anyway means that one does not "like" some boomers: however, I am not a fan of the things this generation has done over the decades, as we can see the results of that all over right now in the massive failures of nearly every insitution, company, public and private that has been led and managed by Baby Boomers.

Moreover, my boomer clients look to me to help them survive the next decade. I tell them the truth ~ always ~ which is why they trust me to do their transits for the 2010s. I continue to maintain that in order for the baby boomer generation to make certain that they can survive the next decades of the 2010s and 2020s that they prepare right now and give up any illusions of staying "young" forever that the mass advertising media, and their generation as a whole has been propagating for many years now. We all get older, and the baby boomers will not be any different ~ they are now senior citizens already, and will get older too. This must be prepared for right now, and not delayed whatsoever.

[Caprising]

The Boomers that I know personally (2) are both rich and retired, both have had heart/circulation problems, one i suspect because he lost a million on the sharemarket, the other i suspect has something to do with his second moon return (emotional issues). Both are still alive though so don't stress, although as the money market deteriorates even further I'm waiting to see how it affects them.

[Theo]

Originally Posted by Caprising

The Boomers that I know personally (2) are both rich and retired, both have had heart/circulation problems, one i suspect because he lost a million on the sharemarket, the other i suspect has something to do with his second moon return (emotional issues). Both are still alive though so don't stress, although as the money market deteriorates even further I'm waiting to see how it affects them.

There's a lot of this happening to many boomers, as many have also been victims of the excesses of their own generation, those who thourhg corruption and greed, took more than they gave to their own generation as millions are lost, and boomers now have less to live on as they enter their retirement years.

Some of this can be stopped, but many baby boomers will have to give up illusions of never retiring, because like it or not, the working world is going to get younger, and many boomers will be losing jobs they've held for decades as the world of work restructures to younger generations.

The pension system is at serious threat now... something that is not being discussed within the current context of the economic bailouts... failing companies, leveraged to the hilt, like the auto industry, and many heavy industries with millions of boomers as workers. Right now is the time for boomers to get real and to plan and protect themselves before the year 2010 arrives in earnest.

[Theo]

Originally Posted by cara4art

"I can see plenty of things that would indicate a catylist around the begining of the year Mamaminni. That was when the south node hit my Pluto. I became quite ill. The south node over natal planets is a trigger indeed among other considerations the south node is not usually that good for any planet." - Kingsley

Yikes! For me that South Node has been in my 6th house for awhile now, and has just passed my Moon(15 Leo), and is now within a degree of being conjunct with my Pluto(11 Leo), and will go on to conjunct my Saturn at 6 Leo! Does this mean poor health? I hope not, and as I've said here before, I do watch my health and fitness by natural means(not the scary 70 is the new 50 type of thing that Theo mentions over on the Saturn-Uranus opposition thread).Maybe instead of my health being affected, it will be my work. Moon rules part of my 4th and 5th, Pluto rules my 8th and part of my 9th, and Saturn rules part of my 10th and 11th houses, so maybe the affairs of these houses may come into play as well. But basically, on a day to day basis, I am trying to keep my life simple and clear. For my husband, this nodal activity with the South Node happens in his loaded 12th house, with the Sun, Mercury, Pluto, and Chiron there. I've attached my chart so anyone can take a look if they care to. Thanks!

Well Cara, what it means is to take it easy... Your chart is very creative, this looks to me like the chart of a fine artist and teacher. Do you paint? As for the transit of the Dragon's Tail in Leo over your positions... this will open up some need to use the old in new ways, and to avoid personality conflicts (both to, and from you to others.)

Remember that the transiting South Lunar Node will enter Cancer next August, and will make contact with your natal Mercury in Cancer, this means getting ahead of that and watch for making any immediate changes in the house, as your Mercury is placed in the Fifth, and in sextile aspect to your natal Mars in Taurus in the Third ~ the Dragon's Tail will activate that when the transiting Soth Lunar Node reaches 23-Cancer.

After the transit of the nodes through the Capricorn/Cancer axis, it will enter Gemini/Sagittarius in March 2011, and contact your natal Sun, and then your natal Uranus in Gemini in your Fourth. This calls for re-discovery of your life, and to adapt to some changes of getting older by making plans for your mid-60s to early 70s.

The transit of the Dragon's tail often "sweeps" things up, clearing out the outdated, and allowing newer situations to develop. I often advise clients to do this in advance, as to cultivate thought patterns to progress ahead of time and thus neutralizing unfavorable transits.

The current Saturn/Uranus opposition that is squaring your Sun/Uranus synod will bring some of these things to light, and provide challenges for you to make changes that will allow you to be more at ease in your personal and professional undertakings by evolving ~ using the old in new ways ~ before the transit of the South Lunar Node in Gemini in 2011/2012.

By the time the Dragon's Head enters tropical Scorpio in September 2012, and conjoins your natal Jupiter in March 2013, you will be in your 65th year, and about to turn 66 that June. This conjunction of the North Lunar Node to your natal Jupiter in Scorpio will come after the conjunction of the Dragon's Tail to your natal Mars in Taurus in January 2012, and highlights relationships connected to materials/finances.

Before these transits, in August 2012, the transiting South Lunar Node in Gemini will make a conjunction to your natal North Lunar Node at 2-Gemini ~ this indicates either progression forward, or backward in life depending on your planning in the years before. Usually, nodal returns reflect change, and these changes reflect the quality of the transit in the Sign, and in this case, it will be Gemini: contacts with others, neighbors, friends, family, and a potential move. How you choose to handle the nodal return will be further reflected in the transits after the Summer of 2012.

[cassanra]

Born in 59....I have not heard of the generation Jones. That is a new one I will have to do some research on that one but otherwise I see to some extent what you are saying. I know that you see things as a socialogist might...large groups and their affect but someone like my father who pinched and saved and lived sparingly . It seems harch to blame a whole generation when it was a not everyone. The CEO that scapled Enron were not baby boomers, I suspect. These were young guys Where do they fit in?

[MamaMinnee]

Originally Posted by Kingsley

I can see plenty of things that would indicate a catylist around the begining of the year Mamaminni. That was when the south node hit my Pluto. I became quite ill. The south node over natal planets is a trigger indeed among other considerations the south node is not usually that good for any planet. There is always someting going on in the stars; What about you MM?kingsley

Kingsley, I am sorry to hear of your past illness with the South Node transiting your Pluto, but hope you are much better. And, although mentally mature, I am not a Boomer; however, I am happy to use my experience as an example. When the South Node transited my tight Sun Pluto conjunction in Virgo, indeed fifth/ego & children; sixth/work & health; and eighth/death & other people's money, house issues came up and were stress-filled and draining. I experienced loss in all of these areas; and taking place at an eclipse degree, the effects were intensified. At this time, Pluto was the sole generational planet activated.

Positively, here are some of the Neptunian things the opposing North Node in Pisces brought me as a result of such oppressive conditions: a secluded home, outwardly paradise-like; a dreamy, delicious healthy baby, when I was once told that having children would be difficult for me; and a lifestyle subsidized by someone else.

Now you.

[cara4art]

Thanks Theo for your excellent work and taking the time to look at my chart!
I know, sometimes I have a tendency to wig out when I see something potentially heavy going on astrologically, but try to get a bigger look at it, which you did very well I might add.
Yes, I am a painter, been an artist life-long, starting off in the printed fabric design endeavors in NYC as that is what I majored in at art school, as I figured I was going to have to make a living somehow when I got out. I also have a strong parallel interest in alternative healing and metaphysics, having been greatly helped by these. The shamanic archetype is greatly meaningful to me! Then in the later-1980s, I got into fine art painting, after some other design work situations which were increasingly deteriorating and stressful for me. I had relocated to San Francisco in late 1980, and quit that stressful design job(which by this time was not fabric design) in early 1988. For a few years while living in the Santa Fe area of New Mexico, I had some good success with selling my art - having unloaded more than 40 original pieces there. I started off my painting with larger acrylic paintings, and later progressed to smaller, more personal, and later still, more visionary watercolors which I am still with and exploring. Around the year 2000, I got into digital media and have had lots of fun with that with the speed, amazing possibilities and flexiblity of working - I love the new technological stuff! So these days I go back and forth between my watercolor painting and digital arts. I have not been at a job as such outside the home since 1988. I have arranged my life such that I can live very simply(I might have gone into this over on the Saturn-Uranus opposition thread) - never getting involved in either the power-grabbing stuff(far from it!), the scary "70 is the new 50" stuff, or the financial games either. No investments, no pensions, etc. My husband and I live quite well on very little, due to our life arrangement. For the last 10 years or so, I have been largely out of the art market as far as actively pushing my work, as I really needed to regroup, and for nearly 4 years we had immense domestic disruptions that necessitated moving some 15 times. The last one was the charm in late '06 with an amazingly fortunate relocation back to our dear city San Francisco. We are very happy to be here! Right now, just getting back to my painting, as that was pretty much interrupted during all the moving, is a huge accomplishment. Even my husband tells me not to worry about selling anything right now, and he's pretty factually oriented. Our ongoing project is making daily choices that will keep us healthy as long as we are meant to be given our particular bodies and patterns, through natural means although I know our time is going to come as it does for everyone else. We did not get caught up in the mortgage meltdown mess either, as we have never owned property and likely never will. Again, we are grateful for what we have, every day.
If you want to check out my website that has both my husband's photography, and my art, go to www.richardshuff.com. I am under "Cara Lee" with most of my art there, and you'll be able to go to my various bodies of work, to see what my art is about. If you pay attention to my signature here, that is a clue...
Again, thanks!

[Kingsley]

Theo wrote
"The pension system is at serious threat now... something that is not being discussed within the current context of the economic bailouts... failing companies, leveraged to the hilt, like the auto industry, and many heavy industries with millions of boomers as workers. Right now is the time for boomers to get real and to plan and protect themselves before the year 2010 arrives in earnest."


What about other people Theo? What about non boomers? Shouls they get real and do some planning too? Maybe they are immune from all this. The children and Grandchildren of boomers are inded the ones who will missout from the values that work around inheritances and family traditions etc.

It seems that there will be no money or property left to pass on according to your good predictions Theo. Perhaps there will be some bills to pay by some gen x'ers?

I am not wishing to argue about the astrology, I am not wishing to debate the nodes back and forth like a tennis match, however if you wish to use a group of people, culture or race to vent your veiled anger and righteous position by using the good practice of Astrology then I suggest that you get some psychological assessments.

kingsley

[Theo]

Originally Posted by Kingsley

Theo wrote
"The pension system is at serious threat now... something that is not being discussed within the current context of the economic bailouts... failing companies, leveraged to the hilt, like the auto industry, and many heavy industries with millions of boomers as workers. Right now is the time for boomers to get real and to plan and protect themselves before the year 2010 arrives in earnest."


What about other people Theo? What about non boomers? Shouls they get real and do some planning too? Maybe they are immune from all this. The children and Grandchildren of boomers are inded the ones who will missout from the values that work around inheritances and family traditions etc.

It seems that there will be no money or property left to pass on according to your good predictions Theo. Perhaps there will be some bills to pay by some gen x'ers?

I am not wishing to argue about the astrology, I am not wishing to debate the nodes back and forth like a tennis match, however if you wish to use a group of people, culture or race to vent your veiled anger and righteous position by using the good practice of Astrology then I suggest that you get some psychological assessments.

kingsley

I'm not "using" any group of people. Nor do I have "veiled" anger. It is clear that the boomer generation has failed future generations. Do you read the newspapers and see what monumental collapses in the world's economy has taken place under the leadership of the baby boomer generation? This is very clear, and has nothing to do with making it personal, because it is not ~ it is very open for all to see, and the generational transition now starting will reveal even more in the near future.

It will be the "non-boomers," as you call them, who will have to clean up the mess left behind. They have more time than the baby boomers due simply to being younger; however, the mess throughout a wide range of areas is not something Generation X had asked for, nor wanted. It is a fact though that the baby boomer generation has forfeited the future of the their own children and grandchildren with their excesses. There are other boomers saying the same thing. It is shocking, and very sad. This is not new.

[MamaMinnee]

Originally Posted by cassanra

Born in 59....I have not heard of the generation Jones. That is a new one I will have to do some research on that one but otherwise I see to some extent what you are saying. I know that you see things as a socialogist might...large groups and their affect but someone like my father who pinched and saved and lived sparingly . It seems harch to blame a whole generation when it was a not everyone. The CEO that scapled Enron were not baby boomers, I suspect. These were young guys Where do they fit in?

From Wiki: Baby boomer is a term used to describe a person who was born during the demographic Post-World War II baby boom (1946-1964), and is also a term used to describe a person who is part of the Baby Boom Generation (controversial birth years, starting as early as 1942, ending as early as 1953, ending as late as 1964). Originally, everyone born during the 1946-1964 boom in births was considered part of the Baby Boom Generation, but over time, many experts have come to believe that two separate cultural generations were born during this period. Kenneth Lee "Ken" Lay (April 15, 1942 – July 5, 2006) was an American businessman, best known for his role in the widely-reported corruption scandal that led to the downfall of Enron Corporation. Lay and Enron became synonymous with corporate abuse and accounting fraud when the scandal broke in 2001. Lay was the CEO and chairman of Enron from 1986 until his resignation on January 23, 2002, except for a few months in 2001 when he was chairman and Jeffrey Skilling was CEO.Preliminary autopsy reports state that he died of a heart attack caused by coronary artery disease.

[cassanra]

I did not realize he was 15 years my senior. He looked young. i guess that is what money can do. Thank you for your correction.

[starlink]

Kingsley, I am a full blown babyboomer, 1947 to be precise and I did not feel at all "insulted" nor anything else for that matter by what Theo wrote. You must try to see it in context and absolutely not personal or "group orientated".

It just so happens that all the things happening right now are the result indeed of (not intentionally of course) mis-use of good fortune and other things which were all in the hands of people born in this time period. Of course it is not each and every person who has done wrong or overspend or what do I know, but during this time period there was a tendency to be consumed by luxurious lifestyles. It probably was an after effect from the war, like finally be able to live it up, who knows.

Fact of the matter is that these things happen over the centuries, you get cycles of good and bad. It is similar to the seven bad and good years. I am sure, when we look back astrologically, we will find other periods, similar to what we go through now in the world. (caused by yet another group of individuals born during a certain lifetime.).

an American businessman, best known for his role in the widely-reported corruption scandal that led to the downfall of Enron Corporation.

And this could have just as easily been done by another person, who was not a babyboomer if you ask me. This has to do with personality and opportunity (which I guess there was plenty off) and not so much because he was a babyboomer.

[Nexus7]

Another 1959 Jones Generation-er here. Recently I was scribbling something on my website about our generation. It was a lot like 'never had it so good' in boom-time 60's, where we undeserving brats could enjoy the fruits of many a generation of those who had laboured thanklessly all their lives, but then there were bells beginning to ring in the 70's regarding the price of oil. By the time I graduated, there were 3 million unemployed and 500 graduates to 1 job.

I doubt there will be a pension for us now and I just hope to stay fit enough long enough....

The Dragon's Tail has been thrashing furiously over my Uranus, it has been and gone a little now....but it is strange how many lessons I have been giving recently on the theme of the Shape of Things to Come. For Hungary. For the World and whether or not there really will be a Depression 2. For alternative forms of energy. For new forms of eco-housing. Just today, I was going over predictions from the bio-tech quarter, where it is predicted that the rich will become privileged cyborgs, multinationals will rule the world whilst the rest of us poor souls will rot in run-down megacities, and soon there will be one young person for 5 geriatrics. Still more predictions to look at next week too.

So from the point of view of this later prediction, what the issue with baby-boomers seems to boil down to is a question, in large part, to demography and boom-bust cycles, where waste and inbuilt obsolescence may give way to 'waste-not-want-not.'

[Kingsley]

Hello

Perhaps that is appropriate that I apologise to Theo for some of my remarks directed at him personally. Sorry Theo. I do however strongly disagree with him that the Boomers shoulf take responsibility for "stuffing the world up"

Theo says "It is clear that the boomer generation has failed future generations".

I cant understand how a whole generation can be the blame for for our current and potential predicament. Previous generations have done what they have done, good and not so good things. Even the Victorian Age with its strict values; according to Theo we might blame them for a wealth of sexual issues for hudred of years?

I like Theo's work, however I am hoping that we can all take some responsibility for where we are at the moment including the past several generations leading up to the Boomers.

Best regards

Kingsley