Putin : Russian elections March 2009

tikana · #1 11-07-2008, 05:38 AM

Okaaaay peeps

Interesting developments are going on AGAIN in Russia.

Medvedev might step down as an active president as last as Feb 2009 and off schedule elections will take place somewhere in March.... Presidential term will be 6 years. Guess who will be a president? Vlad Putin! This is today's news

31 December 1999 Putin took over the presidency after Boris Eltzin stepped down on 31st of December at noon

Sun 10 Cap
Mars - 27 aq
jupiter - 25 aries
neptune - 3 aq
uranus - 14 aq
pluto - 11 sag

NNode/Neptune opposition
nnode/neptune/saturn - tsquare
uranus/neptune/saturn - tsquare
nnode/neptune/jupiter - tsquare

uranus squared venus
neptune squares Asce
jupiter trined Pluto and MC
uranus trined Sun
Pluto trined Sun
jupiter trined his mars

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the official elections took place on March 26, 2000

Sun - 6 aries
mars - 3 taurus
jupiter - 8 taurus
saturn - 14 taurus
Uranus - 19 aq
neptune - 6 aquarius
pluto - 12 sag retro
nnode - 1 leo

nnode/jupiter/mars aspected his Asce
Uranus squared his MC and Pluto
uranus trined Sun
pluto sextiled Sun
saturn squared venus

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March 14, 2004 - elections !

Sun 25 pisces
mars 26 taurus

jupiter 12 virgo retro
saturn 6 cancer
uranus 4 pisces
neptune 14 aq
pluto 22 sag
nnode 12 taurus

uranus/saturn trine asce
pluto trines pluto and mc
neptune trines sun
pluto conj mars
nnode opposes venus
saturn trines venus

so far in all 4 charts MC/Pluto/ASCE/SUN/mars are effected

Now

Let;s look at March 2009

Jupiter 15 aq
saturn 17 virgo
neptune 25 aq
pluto 3 cap
uranus 22 pisces
nnode 8 aq

Neptune opposes pluto and mc
pluto sextiles asce
jupiter trines sun
saturn opposes his natal uranus
jupiter conj south node
saturn sextiles venus while jupiter squares venus

well ... looks like Putin will be a president of Russia....
http://www.nypost.com/seven/11062008...lin_137387.htm

whole year Pluto will he hovering over Asce/desc in Putin's chart.

cheers
Tik

tsquare · #2 11-07-2008, 07:16 AM

You have his time of birth?!?
I looked for it, maybe not very well...couldn't find anything...but that was a while ago..
Heard about this the day of the Elections in the US.
Movement of the Missiles, extension of the presidential term...maybe extension of other office terms as well....
I wanted to keep an eye on it after what happened in Georgia, in August...right after the solar eclipse over Russia.....China..but never did.
I heard the reports that he would maybe be President....but didn't know for sure if the current president was stepping down or not...
12 years of Putin....hmm.....
Wonder if he'll run....I read that one of his spokeswoman stated that she saw no reason he would run.(laugh)...yeah..
I think he will.
Just a guess though..
I don't really have time to work much on it for a while now but maybe in a short time here I have the idea I'll need to take a peak at it....just curious....ever since the Georgia conflict I have wanted to watch this more.....what with Russia ad NATO not on good terms....Putin really doesn't like NATO...so 6 years...extended presidential elections...hmmm....smell War?

I know Putins a Libra sun...has saturn there as well....mercury...and something else...venus is in scorpio...jupiter oposition to venus from taurus...maybe a pluto sextile to sun.....cant recall....he has an intersting chart...an intersting Talent triangle...trine...a few sextiles...
If he has a capricorn asc it wouldn't suprise me much.

tikana · #3 11-07-2008, 07:42 AM

[quote=tsquare]You have his time of birth?!?

*** yeah it is 3 scorpio rising ***

I looked for it, maybe not very well...couldn't find anything...but that was a while ago..
Heard about this the day of the Elections in the US.

*** he moved warheads near Poland ***

Movement of the Missiles, extension of the presidential term...maybe extension of other office terms as well....
I wanted to keep an eye on it after what happened in Georgia, in August...right after the solar eclipse over Russia.....China..but never did.

*** It will be interesting what Obama will do with Georgia... ***

I heard the reports that he would maybe be President....but didn't know for sure if the current president was stepping down or not...

*** if Medvedev steps down as Yeltzin did *putin was a vp under Yeltzin* Putin becomes a president right away... Medvedev is just a robot.. he is told what to do, he follows the order ... he has little to no personality not like Putin.. there was a reason why McCain stated that Putin was a president during the debates. McCain knows the game with Russia.. i wanna see how Obama will handle Russia.. Russia has been very quiet about Obama. ... ***

12 years of Putin....hmm.....
Wonder if he'll run....I read that one of his spokeswoman stated that she saw no reason he would run.(laugh)...yeah..

*** He wont run.. he will be just placed there ... 73% of russian people are belonging to Putin's party.. One Russia or something like that. Not a surprize there.. As of right now, there is no one that can take the lead other than Vlad himself ... Zhirinovsky could be a great president but the dude has no tact nor diplomacy.. he cusses everyone out even as he speaks on the podeum in Duma/Congress..he has incredible sense of humor though, there is another guy who was running last elections... he is a communist supporter.. no one wants to go back to communism.. so people are left with Putin. ****

I think he will.
Just a guess though..
I don't really have time to work much on it for a while now but maybe in a short time here I have the idea I'll need to take a peak at it....just curious....ever since the Georgia conflict I have wanted to watch this more.....what with Russia ad NATO not on good terms....

*** the problem is not with Nato .. but with the US policies towards expansion of Nato... Ukraine does not want to be in NATO... govt does. Ukraine will have rushed off elections next year as well.. god knows who will be running.. probably Timoshenko/Yushenko/Yanukovich and 1 more from out of nowhere.
Georgians are quitely pissed at Saakshvilli cause things were okay before USSR fell apart and until their 1st president took over.. it is complicated... georgia wants access to black sea... if Abkhazia gets out from georgia .. Georgia has no access to black sea... no sea - no navy! they really do not care about people in Abkhazia. it is all about power and nato.. the US will do exactly what they did with the Kurds ... they will use georgia and them toss them aside...***

Putin really doesn't like NATO...so 6 years...extended presidential elections...hmmm....smell War?

*** doubt it ... if you have a war, then all hell will break loose ... Iran will support Russia / no doubt.. Europe is just being Europe... Europe needs Russia for fuel cause Scandinavia cant satisfy EU on its own.. notice that Iceland is begging Russia to get them a loan in US DOLLARS!... notice Ahmadanijan has shut up... since oil prices tanked.. so has Chavez.. you dont hear much from them these days! ****

I know Putins a Libra sun...has saturn there as well....mercury...and something else...venus is in scorpio...jupiter oposition to venus from taurus...maybe a pluto sextile to sun.....cant recall....he has an intersting chart...an intersting Talent triangle...trine...a few sextiles...
If he has a capricorn asc it wouldn't suprise me much

**** his asce is 3 scorpio! very very eliquent person... i love how he bombarded Estonian journalist... she was pretending to know what she was asking... Putin just went off at her with everything he knew... he stated directly from historical data from the top of his head without asking his advisors.... when / how / why things happened the way they did in less than 4 minutes, very very sharp guy. Try to the same with Bush.. hahahah Pluto in 10th house conj MC is very very powerful combination.... interestingly enough Khodorkovsky has the same Pluto on MC along with something else....i cant remember his chart

Putin has venus in 1st house! He does have a charisma****

Tik

Awakened_Pisces · #4 11-07-2008, 08:03 PM

Vladimir Putin's Libra Sun(12th house) And his Scorpio Midheaven have confirmed(aside from the fact that his last name is similar to Joseph Stalin). That he is the revived False Prophet. This is already occuring in Russia as you've pointed out. Putin having nearly all power in Russia and his pernament reign over that nation. Not to mention how Russia has reverted back to it's old form of silencing journalism.(Do you really think tiny Georgia attacked Russia? Hoping to drag the US into it. Libra is in Putin's secret enemies. He'll be his own downfall. And that is clear when he thinks he can manipulate the world to think America did this for the sake of an election. Bush/McCain were dumb but not THAT dumb.)

Vladimir Putin was born 9:28 AM in St.Petersburg, Russia.(Yes, strangely enough Flordia has the same name of the city. Don't ask. It's like the country georgia and the state in the US).

tikana · #5 11-07-2008, 08:57 PM

Confused Pisces

http://www.astrolreport.com/famous/putinvcht.php

his sun is in 11th house.. cannot be in 12th!

Tik

Awakened_Pisces · #6 11-09-2008, 05:30 PM

Putin undeniably had a 12th house stellium. It's 9:28.

tsquare · #7 11-09-2008, 07:14 PM

Chart I drew up...it just depends upon what house system you use.
In Placidus the 12thH is very small...in equal, yes, Putins' sun is in the 12thH.
In Placidus, the 11thH, and even the the degree is very close to the 12thH...a few degrees..some say the effects you can see in both houses when a planet is that close to the next house....so I'd read it as in both houses. Seriously.
I don't call it in one or the other when its that close.

I have jupiterconj the IC on the third H side in scorpio, the 1st degree....my IC is 2 degrees....I can see the effects of that planet in the 3rd and 4thH.

Same as pluto and mars...both of those are right at the end of libra...I can see their effects in both the third and 4thH...
SO...I don't know.
I'm not going to call him the Anti christ though.
Putin is cool, but is he really that cool?
That makes nearly every politician the antichrist.(laugh) maybe rightfully so!
But still, plenty of politicians have 12thH suns....
Bush does.
So does Tony Blair.
If I have the right time of brith so does the new american VP.
Confused Piscies, look at biddens chart...check and see which one looks more "antichrist like"...I'd say Bidens, and I'm only kidding about either being the anticrist.

My sun is in the 12thH...
Can I be the Anti Christ?

Pleased to meet you.

Funny thing is that if you do add my name up..my real name...and take it times 3, it adds up to 666. AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!
Hide your children.....(joke)
No really, I'm only Bettlejuice.

Awakened_Pisces · #8 11-09-2008, 08:57 PM

I never refered to the 12th house as anything signifcant. What was signifcant was the 12th house stellium and Mercury interactions. Pointing to his high spiritual beliefs and delusions. And I said that Putin is the reincarnated False Prophet. Not the Anti-Christ. Who I still believe to possibly be President-Elect Obama. There was an article where the Arabs talked about how Obama would throw them a bone. Remember according to Nostradamus, the Anti-Christ will make moves to support the east. Also, the Anti-Christ(as per the name) may go against Israel. I'd keep an eye on Obama's actions in the middle east. It's possible he betrays Israel and we're caught in an US-Israel conflict.

tikana · #9 11-09-2008, 09:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Confusedpisces

I never refered to the 12th house as anything signifcant. What was signifcant was the 12th house stellium and Mercury interactions. Pointing to his high spiritual beliefs and delusions. And I said that Putin is the reincarnated False Prophet. Not the Anti-Christ. Who I still believe to possibly be President-Elect Obama. There was an article where the Arabs talked about how Obama would throw them a bone. Remember according to Nostradamus, the Anti-Christ will make moves to support the east. Also, the Anti-Christ(as per the name) may go against Israel. I'd keep an eye on Obama's actions in the middle east. It's possible he betrays Israel and we're caught in an US-Israel conflict.

ConfusedPisces

where are you getting your information from? one of the people from his cabinet served in Israel forces or something like that.
Putin is NOT a false prophet... he is going back to Imperial Russia it is exactly what Peter the Great did.

T

Awakened_Pisces · #10 11-09-2008, 10:17 PM

Sure he is. Putin: The fabrics of Democracy won't be threatened(becomes dictator of Russia). I mean, it's not just pure coincedince that once Obama becomes into power. So does the news that Putin may once again rule over Russia.

Even if my calculations are off(and they might be). I suspect that both men won't be rather good leaders for their nation.

tikana · #11 11-09-2008, 10:31 PM

Confused

read his biography then let's talk... he is not A FALSE PROPHET.... learn something about this dude before you start throwing labels at him

Putin being back in power as a president of Russia IS NOT recent news. This goes back to beginning of 2nd term of his rule. This was planned ages ago. where have you been? it is too predictable
you have no foundation to accuse a man, a PM/previous president of Russia, to be a false prophet.

adios.. i am done here....

T

Awakened_Pisces · #12 11-09-2008, 11:04 PM

I have plenty of foundation. History over the previous one. Putin's current actions. And the pure irony of both his chart and how this was just known 2 days after Obama wins his own nomination.

tikana · #13 11-09-2008, 11:38 PM

whatever, Confused.

tsquare · #14 11-10-2008, 04:01 AM

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I never refered to the 12th house as anything signifcant.

I thought you did in the first sentence.

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What was signifcant was the 12th house stellium and Mercury interactions.

True, those are interesting.

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Pointing to his high spiritual beliefs and delusions. And I said that Putin is the reincarnated False Prophet. Not the Anti-Christ.

I didn't know the full difference still don't just different names to me and I suppose their both bad.
I still don't know the difference between Beelzebub, Lucifer, and Satan, I've read so much odd contradictory stuff in the past that I'm not entierly sure what to make of it yet.

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Who I still believe to possibly be President-Elect Obama.

Ahh...ok.

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There was an article where the Arabs talked about how Obama would throw them a bone.

Yeah I read that, heard that sort of...there may be some talks, I also read talks with Iran may be slightly avoided...one of the Iraq leaders mentioned that it could be mistranslated as weakness...can't please everyone....wh knows...I'm hoping Obama comes off diplomatic, I don't think the US will be underestimated for some kindness...we have troups everyhwere...bases everywhere...I really don't know what Obama will do yet.

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Remember according to Nostradamus, the Anti-Christ will make moves to support the east.

No I missed this, I havn't read any Nostradamus for some time now.
He makes errors, Hister instead of Hitler for example, but I still think it can be interesting reading, just weeded through carefully...and I'm not feeling very cautious lately..

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Also, the Anti-Christ(as per the name) may go against Israel. I'd keep an eye on Obama's actions in the middle east. It's possible he betrays Israel and we're caught in an US-Israel conflict.

It will be hard to ignore his actions in the middle east...it's kind of unavoidable for Obama as well. How he handles Iran I am more concerned with..Iran and Russia. I don't like the fact that we have over 20 air force bases just south of Russia and surrounding Iran, and that is just air force bases, and the bases that are known of. We have troups everywhere...LOL...everywhere...NATO will play it's part as well.
We have bases in Non Nato member countries as well...so...we are everywhere....
The bases in Poland and Chech. I'm watching right now....well see where that goes and how Obama handles that...as long as Bush dosns't start some more **** before he leaves office. Obama isn't president so he can't see much....I have not allot of hope but an odd expectation he will give Russia breathing room...maybe....I don't know just what Rogue states they speak of, neither says Putin.LOL...so I don't know...all I have is the news, that can be ******** in and of itself....it's kind of alwys wait and see as ti what is really going on..and even that is quite hidden for a good 60 or 70 years...so....who knows....I like to think Obama will be able to straiten out some of what is going on in the middle east but I don't have answers myself, I lack data to solve problems, and I just can't do it. I have a computer....not a secret service at my disposal.LOL
I would like to see them actually list the Rogue states they say they need the Missle defense system for. IRan? I imagine....Russia? Could be...North Vietnam? Doubtfull...but maybe....I don't know.

I have trouble discussing the false prophet, antichrist stuff...I'm not fully educated in that area so I'd be poor conversation there...I tend to take it less serious and crack jokes about it so I'm out of that discussion by default of having little to say exchange wise.

Tsquare

tsquare · #15 11-10-2008, 04:35 AM

[quote]

Quote:

Originally Posted by tsquare

You have his time of birth?!?

*** yeah it is 3 scorpio rising ***

I looked for it, maybe not very well...couldn't find anything...but that was a while ago..
Heard about this the day of the Elections in the US.

*** he moved warheads near Poland ***

Movement of the Missiles, extension of the presidential term...maybe extension of other office terms as well....
I wanted to keep an eye on it after what happened in Georgia, in August...right after the solar eclipse over Russia.....China..but never did.

*** It will be interesting what Obama will do with Georgia... ***

I heard the reports that he would maybe be President....but didn't know for sure if the current president was stepping down or not...

*** if Medvedev steps down as Yeltzin did *putin was a vp under Yeltzin* Putin becomes a president right away... Medvedev is just a robot.. he is told what to do, he follows the order ... he has little to no personality not like Putin.. there was a reason why McCain stated that Putin was a president during the debates. McCain knows the game with Russia.. i wanna see how Obama will handle Russia.. Russia has been very quiet about Obama. ... ***

12 years of Putin....hmm.....
Wonder if he'll run....I read that one of his spokeswoman stated that she saw no reason he would run.(laugh)...yeah..

*** He wont run.. he will be just placed there ... 73% of russian people are belonging to Putin's party.. One Russia or something like that. Not a surprize there.. As of right now, there is no one that can take the lead other than Vlad himself ... Zhirinovsky could be a great president but the dude has no tact nor diplomacy.. he cusses everyone out even as he speaks on the podeum in Duma/Congress..he has incredible sense of humor though, there is another guy who was running last elections... he is a communist supporter.. no one wants to go back to communism.. so people are left with Putin. ****

I think he will.
Just a guess though..
I don't really have time to work much on it for a while now but maybe in a short time here I have the idea I'll need to take a peak at it....just curious....ever since the Georgia conflict I have wanted to watch this more.....what with Russia ad NATO not on good terms....

*** the problem is not with Nato .. but with the US policies towards expansion of Nato... Ukraine does not want to be in NATO... govt does. Ukraine will have rushed off elections next year as well.. god knows who will be running.. probably Timoshenko/Yushenko/Yanukovich and 1 more from out of nowhere.
Georgians are quitely pissed at Saakshvilli cause things were okay before USSR fell apart and until their 1st president took over.. it is complicated... georgia wants access to black sea... if Abkhazia gets out from georgia .. Georgia has no access to black sea... no sea - no navy! they really do not care about people in Abkhazia. it is all about power and nato.. the US will do exactly what they did with the Kurds ... they will use georgia and them toss them aside...***

Putin really doesn't like NATO...so 6 years...extended presidential elections...hmmm....smell War?

*** doubt it ... if you have a war, then all hell will break loose ... Iran will support Russia / no doubt.. Europe is just being Europe... Europe needs Russia for fuel cause Scandinavia cant satisfy EU on its own.. notice that Iceland is begging Russia to get them a loan in US DOLLARS!... notice Ahmadanijan has shut up... since oil prices tanked.. so has Chavez.. you dont hear much from them these days! ****

I know Putins a Libra sun...has saturn there as well....mercury...and something else...venus is in scorpio...jupiter oposition to venus from taurus...maybe a pluto sextile to sun.....cant recall....he has an intersting chart...an intersting Talent triangle...trine...a few sextiles...
If he has a capricorn asc it wouldn't suprise me much

**** his asce is 3 scorpio! very very eliquent person... i love how he bombarded Estonian journalist... she was pretending to know what she was asking... Putin just went off at her with everything he knew... he stated directly from historical data from the top of his head without asking his advisors.... when / how / why things happened the way they did in less than 4 minutes, very very sharp guy. Try to the same with Bush.. hahahah Pluto in 10th house conj MC is very very powerful combination.... interestingly enough Khodorkovsky has the same Pluto on MC along with something else....i cant remember his chart

Putin has venus in 1st house! He does have a charisma****

Tik

Thanks for this Tik.

I'll maybe have the time to respond to this later, don't count on it though.(laugh)
I came across allot of things I didn't know....started pulling up maps, looking at known NATO occupied countries....did some history on a few different countries, Poland, Russia, Georgia, Iran.....NATO itself has an interesting history.....there is allot to look at.....much I didn't know and don't...feel a bit out of things to say....hard to say where things ended and where things start as far as territory, lost and gained....there are so many bases of the US everywhere......there are over 20 air force bases just south of Russia in countries all surrounding Iran...I didn't know this, not to that extent..plus the Navel bases I think 2, and this is only known......I never really spent time with this before in this way...not all of the countries that the US is "guests" of are a part of NATO...I'm doing some history....putting something in place...seeing how history lines up with various things....it's been allot of new stuff but enlightening....thanks...I wanted to do this a while ago but kind of needed a push...I wanted to respond and finally did some digging and am really surprised by the amount of things I didn't know and just had allot of loopy opinions on. I had hunches, just not all these facts.
Much to look at still....not quite overwhelmed yet....just sort of allowing the data to find it's proper place in a decent time line, as well as seeing how thing occured throught that time line...while weeding out the ********.
There are allot more interesting things too look at now.(laugh)
Well see what I can keep up with now.

Cheers,
Tsquare