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Old 02-21-2008, 06:54 PM
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Who will win the US Presidential Elections in 2008?

Well, I haven't received the proper horary question on this subject yet, nor I could find one asked to some other astrologer and posted on the internet. So, no prediction yet.

But here's my challenge to you: if you feel involved and stirred by the US 2008 Presidential Elections and feel that you'd really want to know the answer, send me a message with your question, well phrased, clear and genuine. Or even better, if you are familiar with horary, you could write down your own data for your question.


Otherwise I will use the moment when your question arrives and my location in order to erect the horary chart and will post the chart delineation here, on this page. Should several such questions arrive, they will be all published here and it'll be quite interesting to try to identify common patterns and differences.


So... "Bring 'em on!" (as a proeminent public figure used to say)
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Old 02-23-2008, 12:47 AM
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Re: Who will win the US Presidential Elections in 2008?

I can't bear to ask one, Radu! So much sits on this election...all I know is, Barack Obama announced his candidacy for President during a VOC Moon (I'm fairly sure), which doesn't bode well, but we will have to wait to see who gets the nomination for each party. McCain is pretty much a shoo-in for the Republicans, but the Democratic nomination is hotly, nail-bitingly close.

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Old 02-23-2008, 04:58 AM
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Whoops! I read somewhere that candidates to US presidency who announced their intentions during a VOC Moon failed...

I've got a question:

Who will win the US president election?
19:39, Leeds, England, 22nd February 2008.

Asked by a British, so it needs some chart turning.
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Old 02-23-2008, 05:05 AM
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Re: Who will win the US Presidential Elections in 2008?

I cannot tell you why. I have no astrological data to back it up what so ever. This is not a who do I want to win answer either. I believe Hillary Clinton will win. This is a gut instinct and intuition answer. It just seems something will make all tides change and she will win.
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Old 02-23-2008, 05:29 AM
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Re: Who will win the US Presidential Elections in 2008?

By Chinese astrology and theory of 5 element McCain has best chance to win! He was born in year of fire yang rat and now is earth yin rat and because fire supports earth I think he has best chance.
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Old 02-23-2008, 06:30 AM
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I didn't look at progressions or lunar return for november for all of them..but with Mccain he has Saturn oppose his natal saturn from 12th to 6th..also conjuncting his venus ruler of his 8th house.. I personally think he is gonna have health issues or his age will play a role of him being denied.

Looking at Hilary's ugh ::making face:: no offense to those that support her but she has Neptune square her Mercury right now I think she is a big fat liar.. she has Moon right on her MC and transiting pluto is right on her 7th house squaring that moon and in Nov..Uranus will be creeping up to that moon and 10th house.. chiron and north node will be opposite her mars pluto conjunction and mars does rule her 11th house..I use 11th house since it rules government intities.. however you spell that word..

So with her it's a toss up I see stuff that umm yeah okay..but really if she does and she has that neptune square her mercury I won't trust her as far as I can throw her..

Now Obama.. He has leo rising.. a bunch of planets in leo..including his part of fortune..getting hit by that chiron and north node conjunction in aquarius..he will also have saturn conjunct his mars in the 2nd..pluto will be oppose his venus.. venus is in the 11th house..venus rules his 10th..I say it's gonna be Obama..but again didn't look at progressions or lunar returns for that month.
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As much as I want Obama to win, my intuition is telling me its gonna be McCain. I hope I am wrong.
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Old 03-11-2008, 09:36 AM
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I think there r chanaces to win republican party candidate whoever it may be.Because republican party is ruled by jupiter & democratic by saturn. According to geocentric system jupiter is in saggitarius this year while saturn in leo. so republicans r strong.
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Old 03-11-2008, 01:58 PM
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Re: Who will win the US Presidential Elections in 2008?

This is taken from an Indian astrology website, the astrologer is world renouned

Obama may have an edge:


The US President Election 2008 is heating up. The real heat is not between democrat and republic candidates but severe fighting is taking place between bold Obama and resilient Hillary Clinton. Hillary Clinton was the First Lady of America for eight years and has seen the working of an ex-president from close quarters for two terms. She is supported by a powerful lobby which is led by smart and brainy Bill Clinton. Barack Obama is known for his bold statements like emphasizing ending the Iraq war, increasing energy independence and providing universal health care. His appeal is being heard by people at large. Republic candidate John McCain is the most senior among his two opponents and a respected candidate who is going to fight against one of these democrat candidates in US 2008 President Election.

Let us see astrologically what is in store for all these three candidates through the prism of astrology. We have the birth details of all the stalwarts which we have taken from different websites. These websites claim that these are authenticated data. If they are right then we cannot go wrong in our analysis.
Hillary Clinton:

Date of birth – October 26, 1947, Time of Birth – 20.00 Hrs., Place of birth – Chicago – Illinois (USA)

Barack Obama:

Date of birth – August 4, 1961, Time of Birth – 13.06 Hrs., Place of birth – Honolulu – Hawaii (USA)

John S. McCain:

Date of birth – August 29, 1936, Time of Birth – 09.00 Hrs., Place of birth – Cocosolo (Panama)


Hillary Clinton:

At the time of Hillary Clinton’s birth Gemini ascendant was rising on the eastern horizon and planets configuration was as such: Mars, Saturn – Cancer, Sun, Venus, Mercury – Libra, Jupiter, Ketu – Scorpio, Moon – Pisces and Rahu in Taurus.

Prarabdh (Past Birth Deeds):

Hillary Clinton was born when Gemini ascendant was rising on the eastern horizon. Lagna lord is well placed in the 5th house along with Sun and Mercury. These planets put together form two powerful Rajayogas. These Rajayogas are taking place in the 5th house which denotes creative intelligence and prarabdh (past birth deeds).

Prarabdh (past birth deeds) sounds most appropriate in this case. In this life certain things you earn and there are certain things which you get by the dint of good luck or prarabdh. Hillary Clinton’s marriage to Bill Clinton is the outcome of prarabdh which has set the pace for her to go for US President Election 2008. We are not taking away the credit of her creative instincts but prarabdh has played a more important role in this case.

Emotional Tussle:

Placement of debiliated Mars and Saturn in the 2nd house gives conflicting results. This house deals with family environment and gives family background also to an extent. In astrology, conjunction of Mars and Saturn indicates that a lot of storm and turbulence has taken place at the emotional level before the dust settled down as far as family peace and harmony is concerned. The whole world knows the Clintons had a very tough time in their marriage once upon a time.

Strong willed woman:

Placement of Jupiter and Ketu in the 6th house is alright. Jupiter does lose some of its glamour and sheen when placed in the 6th house. Being the lord of 7th when Jupiter occupies the 6th house it does give indication of discord in wedlock and the person has to fight most of her battles on her own. No wonder Hillary is resilience par excellence and always fights out her battle whether it is personal or professional, with vengeance.

Her own person:

The Moon has occupied the 10th house which denotes that she has a mind of her own. In astrology Moon represents mind. The Moon has formed two trines with Mars, Saturn and Jupiter. In astrology, trines are considered the best and give wonderful results. This configuration is so good that it has brought her at that level and Obama is feeling the heat of it. Placement of Rahu in the 12th house is good.

Mahadasa Results:

In her chart major period of Saturn is in operation which will continue for many more years. At present Sun – Rahu are in operation till December 2008. The Sun has occupied the 5th house and Rahu is placed in the 12th house. Both the planets are quite strong in the chart but ill aligned from each other. However in navamsa chart both the planets have again gained a lot of strength. Perhaps this is the reason that Hillary Clinton is fighting hard her battle and cruising close to Obama’s tally. Since, primarily both the planets are weak in the chart, it does not assure her the top post but she could be offered to be Deputy of Obama.


Barack Obama:

At the time of Barack Obama’s birth Libra lagna was rising on the eastern horizon and the planetary configuration is as under: Saturn, Jupiter – Capricorn, Ketu – Aquarius, Moon – Taurus, Venus – Gemini, Sun, Mercury – Cancer and Mars, Rahu in Leo.

Head of State:

The lord of lagna is beautifully placed in the 9th house which represents luck. This placement of planet promises that one could be the head of State, if other planets contribute the same way as lagna lord has projected in the chart.

Buddhaditya Rajayoga:

Due to the placement of Sun and Mercury in the 10th house a powerful “Buddhaditya Rajayoga’ has taken place. This rajayoga makes the person bold, intelligent, a tactician and foresighted too. Saturn and Jupiter are placed in the 4th house. Both these planets are involved in a mutual aspect with Sun and Mercury. This phenomenon indicates that success will not come easily to Obama and he has to fight tooth and nail till the last.

Fulfillment of Cherished Goal:

Placement of Mars and Rahu in the 11th house is very good. This house indicates huge gains and fulfillment of long cherished desires. This house also indicates friends and well wishers across the globe. We foresee that Obama will win over many friends and admirers throughout the globe in the coming years.

Placement of Moon in the 8th house gives mixed results. Being the lord of 10th i.e. position (karma), the placement of Moon is detrimental to an extent in getting the desired results. Nothing comes easily and doubt and fear exists till the last count.

Mahadasa Results:

In his chart major period of Jupiter will continue for many more years. Jupiter – Venus will continue till 10th of August 2008. Jupiter has occupied the 4th house and Venus is placed in the 9th. Independently both the planets are very strong in the chart but wrongly aligned from each other. Due to this very reason Obama is not able to establish a clear lead against her party arc rival Hillary Clinton. However marginally he is still ahead of her. We believe Hillary Clinton can tie him down for a while but Obama is fighting next election as a democratic candidate against McCain. His good period of Jupiter – Sun will begin from August 2008 for the next one year. Both are beautifully placed in the chart which clearly indicates that he will be the winner.

John S. McCain:


John McCain was born when Virgo ascendant was rising on the eastern horizon and the planetary placement was as such: Mercury – Virgo, Jupiter – Scorpio, Rahu – Sagittarius, Moon – Capricorn, Saturn – Aquarius, Ketu – Gemini, Mars – Cancer and Sun, Venus in Leo.

Panch Mahapurush Rajayoga:

At the time of McCain’s birth Virgo ascendant was rising on the eastern horizon and lord of lagna is well placed in the lagna itself. The placement of Mercury has given rise to a powerful rajayoga called ‘Bhadra’. This rajayoga comes under the category of “Panch Mahapurush Rajayoga” which promises great success in life.

Great Fighter:

Placement of Jupiter in the 3rd house is very encouraging. This house deals with prowess and we all know that McCain was a great fighter throughout his life. As a matter of fact he comes from the family of fighters. Rahu has occupied the 4th house and Ketu is placed in the 10th. This placement of planets gives good results to the native as far as career is concerned.

Difficulty in final competition:

Moon has occupied the 5th house, the house of creativity which denotes good growth in life. Saturn has occupied the 6th house which is good. Sun and Venus are placed in the 12th house which is alright. All these planets are involved in a mutual aspect with gives mixed results. Since this house also deals with competition and indicates initial success but later on negativity takes over. Debiliated Mars has occupied the 11th house which by and large is alright.

Mahadasa Results:

In his chart Saturn’s mahadasa is at its fag end. This dasa will come to end in April 2009. At present Saturn – Jupiter are in operation. Both the planets are well aligned from each other but dasa is at its fag end. In astrology when dasa is ending it does not give great results. Therefore we assume that McCain will go down fighting US President Election 2008.


Final Result:

After analyzing the horoscope of Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama and John McCain, we come to conclusion that Barack Obama will be the next President of America.

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Old 03-12-2008, 09:58 PM
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Thanks for this detailed explanation. The problem is that we have exact time of birth only for McCain, but for others 2 candidates I sow different data for their birth time (as we post before).
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I got this type of question from my friend today. My analysis reveals that the next president has some connection with military. I think it should be Mccain!

If that is possible. Maybe, from now on, there's something happens that make US people confident in Mccain than in his rival.
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For anyone who is interested, Barrack Obama was born on August 4, 1961 at 7:24pm in Honolulu, HA.
You can view his birth certificate on his website:

http://my.barackobama.com/page/invite/birthcert
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Is there anyone following the current astrological climate and the way things are going on between the candidates lately?

I just feel uneasy. Yup.
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Is there anyone following the current astrological climate and the way things are going on between the candidates lately?

I just feel uneasy. Yup.
I don't see where that's relevant. For an election that is particularly close, you have to employ numerous tools (like progressions, directions, transits, solar and lunar returns) and incorporate them to get an accurate reading.

It's very easy for astrologers to make mistakes if they fail to understand and appreciate the total picture. For example, people don't understand that should Obama lose the election, he will still be a US Senator, and will still be very prominent in government, and in the media as well, because it's a certainty that the media will run to Obama to second-guess everything that McCain might do, even more so because of the expectation that Obama would run again in 2012, which is something his transits, progressed and directed chart would also support (and to have a sort of "shadow cabinet" like European parliamentary governments have wouldn't be a bad thing at all).

There are many considerations, and it is not easy to assess the total picture, but I don't see where the current "astrological climate" has a bearing. The answer lies in the candidate's charts, you just have to find it.
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I don't see where that's relevant. For an election that is particularly close, you have to employ numerous tools (like progressions, directions, transits, solar and lunar returns) and incorporate them to get an accurate reading.

It's very easy for astrologers to make mistakes if they fail to understand and appreciate the transit picture. For example, people don't understand that should Obama lose the election, he will still be a US Senator, and will still be very prominent in government, and in the media as well, because it's a certainty that the media will run to Obama to second-guess everything that McCain might do, even more so because of the expectation that Obama would run again in 2012, which is something his transits, progressed and directed chart would also support (and to have a sort of "shadow cabinet" like European parliamentary governments have wouldn't be a bad thing at all).

There are many considerations, and it is not easy to assess the total picture, but I don't see where the current "astrological climate" has a bearing. The answer lies in the candidate's charts, you just have to find it.

The "astrological climate" does have a bearing Bob. It always does. Transits are merely a way of saying Time ~ without the revolution of the Sun, and planets there would be no time. Right now, the "transits" are in motion, like the weather, and time itself ~ so it ALWAYS has bearing. It has been this way since the Creation of the world.

Looking at transits, it's very easy to assess the overall General Election picture if one studies global transits leading up to, and on election day. From my analysis of both candidates' charts, it is clear that Barack Obama will be elected the nation's next American president. According to my reading of transits, it will be a landslide win, and over earlier than expected.

The real story is not the election ~ but the world economy. After the election, many challenges are ahead for the global community, and many changes that should have taken place in last eight years since the last Jupiter/Saturn conjunction in spring 2000.

We are entering a historic time that eclipses just American's electing an African-American president, which many see as long overdue, and well-deserved, considering the slavery, blood, sweat and tears Africans have given to the North American continent, and the United States before and after its inception as a republic.

The focus only on "race" by some is simply a "cover" for their own racial projection onto Obama, simply due to the color of his skin. Those who make these distinctions and fail to acknowledge them in their comments are false people, whose "insights" are not only highly dubious, but should not be believed.

There are those who do have real concerns about the intentions of both candidates, and this I find valid, as it eclipses the mere points of culture, race, and gender, which is meaningless when it comes to what is in the heart of the candidates and their running mates. No one can see this, although their personal transits give us deeper insight into their celestial motivations, in the end, it is the free will of the individuals that will matter, and in this light, all of us are judged accordingly.

What is in the deepest hearts of Barack Obama, Joe Biden, John McCain and Sarah Palin is only known to them alone and to God. We can only have faith that they all will be true to their destinies and use their free will by the power of the offices granted to them to exercise excellent judgments, and to have great compassion, care, love, and intelligence as the exercise their respective officers of power in a Democracy.

THE CANDIDATES' MAIN TRANSITS
Obama's birth certificate is accurate. Let's get past that misnomer, and just deal with transits. There's been too much rumor-spreading by the ignorant on this (and other areas of color, culture, religion, etc.) based on racism, and favoritism that frankly poison's any objective perspective, even among some astrologers and novices. So, I will not highlight that in this post, since we all know the ulterior motives of the ignorant, which is, frankly, to sound and be stupid.

I've already noted the transits before and during the election and the aspects of Barack Obama and John McCain's own charts, which clearly favors Obama in the November 4th General Election.

*BARACK OBAMA*
Obama is having a Jupiter Return, which arrives every 11-12 years. This, his fourth Jupiter Return arrives as he is in his 47th year. Transiting Jupiter "rises up" and expands during its natal return for the individual. Jupiter's influence is strong since it's stationary direct motion in early September 2008, and has "expanded" Obama's campaign with record voter registration numbers swelling into many millions of new voters fro a new generation seeking change (Jupiter, Uranus) from the old (Saturn/Pluto) and this is what is happening to Obama's campaign as transiting Jupiter in Capricorn is already within orb of Obama's natal Jupiter/Saturn conjunction.

Transiting Saturn in Virgo is also within orb of Obama's natal Saturn in Capricorn, and his natal/progressed Jupiter. His natal Saturn is in a strong earth trine to his natal Mars in Virgo, and this is a very stabilizing influence during this election season. Saturn's conjunction to Obama's natal Mars brings about the ability to "stay the course" while keeping one's feet on the ground with practical solutions designed to not allow his Neptune position to overcome him. Obama has lofty and visionary ideals for American society which reflect the theme of "change" that is also reflected in the world transits. The rejection of this by those opposing Obama, and his ideals are seen in the "projection" and "demonizing" Obama because he does not look like a Caucasian man, although his mother was Caucasian and his father African, those people who only see a person through the lens of "color" have pitted themselves as part and parcel of the old order, which defined a person solely on race without seeing that people are much deeper than what is shown on the surface. This general election is forcing racists, and those who deny being racists, to come to terms with their own race ~ especially Caucasians, who attempt to escape being seen as "white" thus, ensuring that whenever they see someone who is not, they "project" onto people of color that which they see as uncommon, since being racist assumes that one's own "color" is superior, because it is common to them, and those who share the same color.

Those Caucasians that have transcended this are the ones seeking "change" and they will get it in this election. This reflects the new order to come, those who seek to get beyond the 20th century's hate of the "other" as the wars of that century were based on demonizing those who "looked" different, but who only are a part of the human family, not matter the tones of their skins or the languages they spoke. These are the new generations rising: Generation X as the leadership, and Generation Y as the next generation in line to rise to leadership in the mid-to late 2020s.

Obama's secondary progressions tell the real story. A look at his progressions for 2008, 2009, 2010, etc., show that this man is indeed the new American president. Secondary progressions are very telling, and they show that Barack Obama will become the nation's first African-American president, resulting in a historic change for the United States, and the world in the years to come. His Jupiter/Saturn synod rising in his natal chart indicates that the influence of Obama on American politics will be long-lasting, well into the 2010s, and 2020s.

Obama's natal Moon in Gemini is now receiving strong air trines from his natal/progressed Jupiter, and on election day, the transiting Moon will be entering Aquarius, not only trining Obama's Lunar position, but the transiting Moon will have conjoined his natal Jupiter/Saturn synod.

All these factors, plus a few more I've left out in this post clearly show that Obama will win the White House and become the next President of the United States of America.

*JOHN McCAIN*
McCain has a strong chart, which has shown great challenges over his lifetime that he has struggled to overcome, especially emotionally. This is result of McCain's Moon/Pluto opposition, and his mutable grand cross. McCain's main problem is this grand cross, and the many unfavorable aspects in his own transits that do not jive with global transits of October, and November 2008. We have already seen this reflected in McCain's poor campaign performances since mid-September.

Moreover, the transits of his party show a fractured party split into what appears to be at least four groups: the Far Right, strict conservative Republicans, moderate conservatives, liberal Republicans, and the religious right. McCain has lost Independents, and relies mainly on the "undecided vote" and those who will not vote for anyone except a Caucasian man.

The drop in the polls is a result of the world transits and their influences on the economic crisis that peaked in mid-September. This was a result of several transits of note: Saturn/Uranus, Mercury's station retrograde in Libra; Jupiter's direct station in September and Pluto's direct motion station also in September.

Pluto's motion had its effect on McCain's natal Mercury at 2-Libra, and his North Lunar Node at 1-Capricorn. The transit of Pluto in the last degrees of Sagittarius lies between McCain's cardinal quality Mercury/North Node square w/ Pluto heightening the tensions.

The retrograde of transiting Mercury in late September into October has cause havoc in McCain's campaign, which lead to the massive economic Wall Street "bailout" fiasco which backfired on McCain, resulting in a deep drop in his poll numbers.

He has yet to recover, and will not because of Mercury's coming transit in the latter degrees of tropical Libra (decisions, balance.) When transiting Mercury does pick up speed in the last week of October, and the first four (4) days of November, Mercury will strongly square McCain's natal Moon and his natal Pluto in Cancer.

*ELECTION DAY*
The month of November is very active ~

Nov. 2 - Neptune stations direct at 21-Aquarius
Nov. 4 - Saturn in Virgo opposes Uranus in Pisces, exact conjunction
Nov. 9 - Moon heads north in declination
Nov. 13 - Jupiter in Capricorn sextiles Uranus in Pisces, exact
Nov. 21 - Moon heads south in declination
Nov. 21 - Jupiter in Capricorn trines Saturn in Virgo, exact
Nov. 27 - Uranus stations direct at 21-Pisces
Nov. 27 - Pluto enters Capricorn
Nov. 28 - Jupiter semi-sextile Neptune, exact

The Dragon's Head at 15/14/13-degrees Aquarius in conjunction with Chiron in Aquarius with Neptune nearby is Television media, and their pundits. Aquarius is the sign of television and radio (communications) and there is intense focus (Chiron) on this particular election.

Chiron's station to direct motion close to the North Lunar Node in Aquarius reflects a "hyper-activeness" "nervousness" and "excitement" from the anchors/reporters, commentators and pundits, who, despite their so-called "objectivity" will be seen getting very "excited" on air ~ look for this in their mannerisms, the way they express themselves, and the arguments they attempt to foster among their political guests in the remaining week before the general election.

The closer to the day of the election, the more "excited" the media will become at the prospect of an African-American becoming the new American president.

Prior to Election Day on November 4th, there is the New Moon of October 28, at 5-Scorpio. Transiting Mercury, which stationed direct on October 15, will have picked up speed and will reach the degree of its Sept. 24 retrograde at 22-Libra on October 31. The expectations of the country increases with the new moon as Mercury passes it stationed point at 22-Libra ~ as decision time arrives just days before the election.

The month of November is generally the last month of a very difficult two years for most people. The first half of the month is tense, as people feel the influences of the first exact Saturn-Uranus opposition on Nov. 4 on the feeling/expression Pisces-Virgo axis.

The first week of November 2008 is very positive for the Moon's last aspects from Nov. 2-7, however, the aspects from the transiting Moon are to Mars and Pluto, which features some news of bad actions by bad people intent on starting mischief and trouble they will only pay for greatly later. The entry of Pluto into tropical Capricorn at the end of November is a great relief as Pluto leaves Sagittarius for good, and begins its long transit in Capricorn until November 2024.

December 2008 is radically different from the prior months... relief, ease, as people in this post-election environment are weary, but happy to have the election over.

Election Day, November 4th is a cold and chilly day for much of the country after several prior days of brilliant sunny, but windy weather from October 31 to November 2nd, which features the direct station of transiting Neptune at 21-Aquarius, featuring cold, foggy mornings, and cooler temperatures throughout parts of the country. Despite the cold weather, voters turn out in huge numbers on November 4th. The election is a landslide victory for Obama & Biden, and many Democrats. There are surprising upsets that really shake the political parties, and reflect the country's outrage at the economic crisis, and lack of regulation and accountability. This election will also be about a mandate for "change" and the American people are very angry at the party in power.

After Election Day, a celebration of sorts sweeps through the country, and a relief that the election is over continues, however, the month continues to feature news around the country of troublemakers angry that their "side" lost will hit the airwaves.

Because of the Taurus Full Moon Week of Nov. 12-19, those who have been "hyped-up" because of Obama's race will "act out" on people of color, who will resent this and will defend themselves. The Moon's aspects to These news events will reflect the continuing racism of the old century, which is now being highlighted around the world, at their detriment, and will show just how ugly and ignorant some people can be. Many of these mischief-makers will make some very bad decisions with ramifications for the rest of their lives they will end up regretting dearly, for it wasn't worth it.

The Last Quarter Moon of Nov. 19-27 sees things calm down considerably as the waning Moon in Leo sees Americans taking time off for the Thanksgiving Holidays, which features a New Moon at 5-Sagittarius on November 27, Thanksgiving Day. People reflect, are spiritual and look forward to the new American administration ahead.

December 2008 has more of a "relaxed" feel to it with the American government fully in transition, as the old is replaced by the new. The stresses of the last two years end with Pluto's entry into tropical Capricorn on Thanksgiving Day, November 27. The last aspects of the Moon to and from Pluto ceases with Pluto leaving tropical Sagittarius. This provides a great load lifted off the shoulders of people worldwide, and people begin to pick up the pieces of their lives ahead of more changes to come in late March 2009 as Venus changes from evening to morning star.

The changes from November's election, and of the years ahead fill people's imaginations with excitement as the Sun, Mercury and Mars transit Sagittarius in November & December, and as the Moon begins a new series of transits through the mutable signs of the zodiac indicating a speedy transition of government between the old administration and the incoming new administration.

December 2008 ends with Saturn stationing retrograde at 21-Virgo on December 31, and with Jupiter making its last transit of tropical Capricorn before making ingress into tropical Aquarius on January 5, 2009. Two weeks before the new president is inaugurated, the people of the world can feel "change" literally in the "air" ~ as this reflects the influence and entry of Jupiter into the 11th House Air Sign of Aquarius. For this time, it does feel like change, as we all begin to sense that indeed, a new has begun, as we are soon to see the dawn of the coming decade of the 2010s.
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