Pars Foruna in different places in Placidus and equal charts

[Pluto9th]

Hi everyone,

I was wonderig if someone could help me understand this. I have pars fortuna in the 4th house in the equal house chart, but the POF is in the third house in the Placidus chart. Does this mean a sibling is going to receive money meant for me? How do you explain the conflict in the placement of the POF?
I am unable to download a chart here. Sorry about that.
These are natal charts, by the way. Maybe this should have been in the natal section?
Could someone help with this? Thanks you very much ahead of time?
Pluto9th
Here is my birth info


Apr 28 1959
9:37 pm
Santa Monica, CA
USA

Pluto9th, (10th really)

The Lot of Fortune is supposed to be used with the 'whole sign' house system. In itself the Fortuna house system is an equal house system of its own. The lot describes everything that will physically happen to you. It could mean becoming rich, but it could also mean getting poor. It could mean good health or it could mean poor health, it needs delineating from its own perspective.

Does this mean a sibling is going to receive money meant for me?

All I will say is that any legacy you become involved in will not go smoothly.

Good wishes

Bob

[Pluto9th]

Hi Bob,
Thank you for replying. Can you recommend a site or sites that have more information about the POF?
I now use only the classical equal sign house system for my natal chart. I think that the argument for it is very sound.

Pluto9th (you're right, it should be 10th!)

Hi Pluto9th & all,

The Lot of Fortune has only recently (last ten years or so) begun to be understood properly, most of this due to the work of Robert Schmidt and the team at Project Hindsight. I did produce a treatise on the Lot of Fortune some twenty odd years ago for my first astrology qualification, after which I compiled an encyclopaedic book on the use of it, in every sign, every house, with every planet and every major Ptolemaic aspect. Unfortunately, the websites I have seen where the Lot of Fortune has been used are mostly using it in error, or extremely superficially as a single place/degree. Being that it is capable of showing issues related to the physical body, luck (good & bad), health and general prosperity throughout ones entire life it is a lot more complicated than just being a degree in a sign. The book I have on it is over 600 pages long at the present time.

To give you a little heads up on it, the Lot of Fortune degree is the ascendant of the Fortuna system. As an example, if one has the Lot of Fortune at 10 degrees of Aries, 10 degrees of Taurus is its second house, 10 degrees of Gemini is its third house and so on. There are certain rules that need to be applied, and the first is the calculation; in a day chart one measures the longitude difference from the Sun to the Moon and then adds that distance to the natal ascendant. In a night chart one measures from the Moon to the Sun and adds that distance to the natal ascendant. If the Lot of Fortune degree as related to the birth sect falls in a cadent house, then one uses the opposite measurement (for the timing of events) which would be traditionally called the Lot of Spirit. However, I should mention that Ptolemy used the Sun to the Moon for both day and night births but Dorotheus and Valens who were both practicing astrologers used the reverse formula for nocturnal births. I do likewise.

Once the calculation has been performed, the next operation is to find where it lands in the natal chart. If it be angular, it will have a strong presence in ones life. If it be succeedent it will have a moderate effect in ones life, and if it be cadent it will have a fairly weak influence in ones life. With that said, wherever it falls it will affect the four houses represented by the angularity. The same technique can be applied to the signs; Cardinal = strong, Fixed = mediocre, Mutable = weak, though it does have the power to influence the sign it is placed in. Suffice to say, if it be in a cardinal sign and in an angular house it will have a tremendous influence in the nativity, for good or ill. A new Moon birth will have the Lot of Fortune around the ascendant and a full Moon birth will put it around the descendant. (a good rectification tool).

The next consideration is whether there are any planets in the same sign as the Lot of Fortune ascendant, as these will greatly help of hinder the Lot by their very nature and condition. Next comes the lord of the sign of the Lot of Fortune by nature, placement and condition. Here comes a bit that will throw many of you into confusion; a square to the Lot of Fortune is much more favourable than a trine… However, it does help of hinder the Lot by the nature and condition of the planet squaring the Lot. The best position to hold is the 10th house from the Lot itself (a dexter square). The reason a square is better than a trine is because it is angular with respect to the Lot of Fortune ascendant.

This is all I have time for now, but it should be enough to get most of you started.


Good wishes


Bob

[Pluto9th]

Hi Bob,

Thank you for the information.
I would like to ask a few questions.
I don't know how to create a chart by hand, so I don't know exactly how to convert the longitude into a sign's degree, minute and seconds. You say that a nocturnal birth should use the reverse formula which is added to the natal ascendent. Could you give an example of how that works? Also,
is my pars fortuna correctly placed in my natal chart's 4th house?
Thank you ahead of time!
Pluto9th

Hi Pluto9th,

You say that a nocturnal birth should use the reverse formula which is added to the natal ascendent. Could you give an example of how that works?

I most certainly can, and I will use your chart to show you how.

Your Sun is in the bottom half of your chart which is called a nocturnal (nighttime) chart. Because it is a nocturnal chart we start measuring from your Moon which is at 29.49 in Capricorn. Your Sun is at 8.07 in Taurus. The distance is now measured...

You have 0.11 minutes left in Capricorn, a whole 30.00 degrees of Aquarius, 30.00 degrees of Pisces, 30.00 of Aries and 8.07 of Taurus.

3 x 30 degrees = 90 degrees
8.07 + 11 minutes of Capricorn = 8.18

90 degrees + 8.18 = 98.18 degrees

Now we count 98.18 degrees from your ascendant.

Your ascendant is 4.08 in Sagittarius.

What I do now is add the 98.18 degrees to the 4.08 giving us a total of 102.26. Because I added the ascendant degree on to the Sun/Moon total we can now count from the beginning of your ascendant sign a total of 102.26.

Sagittarius = 30.00 +
Capricorn 30.00 = 60.00 +
Aquarius 30.00 = 90.00 + 12.26 into Pisces.

So your Lot of Fortune is 12.26 degrees Pisces.

is my pars fortuna correctly placed in my natal chart's 4th house?

Yes, your Lot of Fortune is in your 4th house ruled by the benefic planet Jupiter.

I hope this helps, if you are not sure of anything feel free to ask.



Good wishes


Bob

[utopia]

Originally Posted by Bob

Hi Pluto9th & all,


The same technique can be applied to the signs; Cardinal = strong, Fixed = mediocre, Mutable = weak, though it does have the power to influence the sign it is placed in. Suffice to say, if it be in a cardinal sign and in an angular house it will have a tremendous influence in the nativity, for good or ill. A new Moon birth will have the Lot of Fortune around the ascendant and a full Moon birth will put it around the descendant. (a good rectification tool).

Bob

Hi Bob,

I would be very happy if you can make me understand this one;I have concerns on this one; becouse I think POF is something due to luck and in a chart Jupiter indicates luck so in my opion a pisces or a sag. POF must be strong.
Please correct me if I'm wrong...

Hi Utopia,

The Lot of Fortune describes ‘everything’ that will happen to ones physical body.

It could mean winning the lottery but it could also mean getting run over by a bus, now I would not call that very lucky, unless you are seriously into masochism. Luck is the domain of Venus and the 5th house, and to a certain extent the 11th house. Jupiter has nothing to do with luck unless it is so positioned as to be lucky, but this goes the same for every planet. Jupiter in Pisces or Sagittarius makes it act in accordance with the elemental nature of the sign, but it does not make it lucky. If Jupiter is the ruler of the Lot of Fortune sign and is placed in the 12th house conjunct Saturn and out of sect it would be very, very, unlucky, depending again on how much one likes misery.


Hope this helps


Bob

[Pluto9th]

Bob,
I just wanted to express my appreciation for your fascinating and informative post. This really adds to my knowledge.
It seems that many people tend to underestimate the classical mind.

Pluto9th