A doubt about the solar return location

LadyBella · #1 02-23-2012, 01:53 AM

Hello astrologers,

I've been following my solar returns since 3 years ago and I've noticed that the solar return calculated on where you are living by the moment (not by the birth place) haven't worked. I guess that it should be calculated on the birth place even living far away (which is my case).

Could you explain me about this ?

Thank You.

waybread · #2 02-23-2012, 03:17 AM

It is hard to answer this question without knowing how you have interpreted your solar return charts. Each planet, sign, house, and aspects has multiple meanings. It is possible that some of the meanings did manifest themselves, just not the ones you expected. Did you find the solar return charts recast for your birthplace to be any more accurate?

LadyBella · #3 02-23-2012, 03:39 AM

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Originally Posted by waybread

It is hard to answer this question without knowing how you have interpreted your solar return charts. Each planet, sign, house, and aspects has multiple meanings. It is possible that some of the meanings did manifest themselves, just not the ones you expected. Did you find the solar return charts recast for your birthplace to be any more accurate?

First, thank you for answering back !

Well, my last solar return I had pluto in capricorn in 1st house conjuncting my solar ascendant, plus the sun in my 8th house, the solar ascendant was touching my natal 8th house, I had put the chart here and had professional astrologers who helped me to read the chart (I haven't mentioned the chart was calculated on a different place that I born). So, I haven't got any transformation in my life, nothing at all and when I calculated to my birth place, the pluto in capricorn were in my 12th house which really made me feel frustrated as I was facing some realities in my life but couldn't act at all.
Now, the one I am having right now, calculating where I live, I get aries ascendant and by the birth place I get the taurus ascendant which I do identify myself by now (of course that are more things to look at, but I am more lazy, paciente and not agressive such arian or an active person) differences like this is making me think that the birth place is where has to be calculated, I don't know, I am just guessing with the experiences I had already.

LadyBella · #4 02-23-2012, 04:21 AM

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Originally Posted by wapanstore

What reference location do you use for a Solar Return Chart?

Where I live which is not the same country that I born.

dr. farr · #5 02-23-2012, 04:27 AM

There is a division of opinion about the location for calculating the SR, most (including myself) going for the current location, but many opting for the birth location as giving better results; of course, my approach to the SR is radicalist and is quite at variance with standard SR methods...

JUPITERASC · #6 02-23-2012, 06:54 AM

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Originally Posted by dr. farr

There is a division of opinion about the location for calculating the SR, most (including myself) going for the current location, but many opting for the birth location as giving better results; of course, my approach to the SR is radicalist and is quite at variance with standard SR methods...

dr. farr - I'm intrigued to learn of your method regarding SR - any additional advice?

dr. farr · #7 02-23-2012, 07:28 AM

Basically I use midpoints between the natal planets and the SR planets (and the SR Sun midpoint with the SR ascending degree) I also divide the forthcoming year by the 7 planets (traditional planets), ie, a 52 day period for each planet, determining the sequence by consideration of the atmakaraka (highest degrees to lowest degrees in signs) of the planets; then as a basic criterion I use the Bright Degree activations for each planet in the SR, and for each SR house (for the SR houses the BDA's are based on the midpoint planetary positions)

I shall give an example of this method-"forthcoming"

...
(I know I already owe

a "forthcoming" elaboration of the "blood line" method in the Ascendants thread, which I'll get to, hopefully soon

!)

waybread · #8 02-23-2012, 07:53 PM

I do modern astrology, Lady Bella; and my experience with prognostication is that "one size does not fit all." If you find that a solar return for your birth location works better than the one for your current residence, there's no problem with that.

Also, with solar returns, I would normally do two charts: (1) one as the chart for the moment when your sun hits its natal position; and (2) one where the SR planets are depicted in relation to your natal chart. I tend to think of the second type as more helpful, but not always.

In the case of Pluto in your first house in a type (1) chart, a SR chart doesn't necessarily mean you are going to experience amazing transformations in your life starting with your SR moment, and then terminating on your birthday in 2013, if your Pluto shows up in another house at that time. With people who natally have Pluto in the first, especially conjunct the ascendant, they may simply come across to other people as rather intense and sometimes secretive. You may find yourself wanting to "cocoon" at home a bit more. A lot will depend upon how Pluto is aspected. If it makes a couple of weak trines, you might get a "free pass" with Pluto. If if makes some hard squares, you might experience the rough edge of Pluto's transformative capacity-- as well as its proclivity for inter-personal power struggles.

I would also recommend that you look at your transits during the year. Pluto may be asleep until it gets hit by a transit.

Finally, a truism in modern astrology is that if people don't experience a potentially hard progression or transit as anything terrible, it should mean that they have mastered the energies symbolized by the planet in question.

LadyBella · #9 02-26-2012, 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by waybread

I do modern astrology, Lady Bella; and my experience with prognostication is that "one size does not fit all." If you find that a solar return for your birth location works better than the one for your current residence, there's no problem with that.

Also, with solar returns, I would normally do two charts: (1) one as the chart for the moment when your sun hits its natal position; and (2) one where the SR planets are depicted in relation to your natal chart. I tend to think of the second type as more helpful, but not always.

In the case of Pluto in your first house in a type (1) chart, a SR chart doesn't necessarily mean you are going to experience amazing transformations in your life starting with your SR moment, and then terminating on your birthday in 2013, if your Pluto shows up in another house at that time. With people who natally have Pluto in the first, especially conjunct the ascendant, they may simply come across to other people as rather intense and sometimes secretive. You may find yourself wanting to "cocoon" at home a bit more. A lot will depend upon how Pluto is aspected. If it makes a couple of weak trines, you might get a "free pass" with Pluto. If if makes some hard squares, you might experience the rough edge of Pluto's transformative capacity-- as well as its proclivity for inter-personal power struggles.

I would also recommend that you look at your transits during the year. Pluto may be asleep until it gets hit by a transit.

Finally, a truism in modern astrology is that if people don't experience a potentially hard progression or transit as anything terrible, it should mean that they have mastered the energies symbolized by the planet in question.

Thank you again, actually acording the solar return with pluto on ascendant has finished already, I am on another solar return right now, I've posted here my solar return with pluto on ascendant and I had help with professionals here, but all they said nothing at all happened, the aspects had oppositions and squares but anyways ...
With my current solar return and calculated by my birth place I got what just happened, only taking the sun conjunct to venus on my 3rd house entering to 4th house, I met my cousin and uncles here in USA, they came up here to enjoy with us and hang out, etc.,and the ascendant I am so taurus right now, very much pacient.

LadyBella · #10 02-26-2012, 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by dr. farr

There is a division of opinion about the location for calculating the SR, most (including myself) going for the current location, but many opting for the birth location as giving better results; of course, my approach to the SR is radicalist and is quite at variance with standard SR methods...

Thank you Dr.Farr, (kind as always) !!!