Synastry without EXACT birth time? LOTS of trines..

[anjelik]

Hi all, not sure if I should post this here, but I will because most things I post end up in "Read My Chart" anyhow.

I've recently met a man and I do not know his exact birth time, but I have an hour and a half window (which doesn't change his ASC (Virgo) or Moon (Libra)). I was wondering how much this would affect our aspects, etc. It looks like we have A LOT of trines, which makes sense because he makes me feel really good.. which is nice because I feel like I can open up and be a little more Pisces (Sun) when I normally am really Cappy (ASC) towards people I just meet. Any time I go to act the way I normally would, he asks me how he is supposed to get to know me if I put walls up. It looks like a nice synastry from what I can tell. We met about a month ago, but he has been away for the last week and will be away for another week, which makes getting to know him feel more safe to me (we have been texting, gchatting and talking on the phone).

Here are our aspects (from a loose birth time of 12pm for him - he said it's between 11:30am and 1pm). Me = JJ; Him = MD. I can erect a chart if need be. Does this seem like a harmonious relationship or am I being too optimistic because I see so many darn trines!

Trine JJ Sun / MD Mercury 

Trine JJ Sun / MD Venus 

Conjunction JJ Moon / MD Mars
Trine JJMoon / MD Jupiter
Trine JJ Moon / MD Saturn
Opposition JJ Moon / MD Uranus
Trine MD Sun / JJ Mercury

Square MDMoon / JJ Venus
Trine JJ Venus / MD Mars
Trine JJ Venus / MD Jupiter 

Trine JJ Venus / MD Saturn
Sextile JJ Venus / MDUranus
Trine MD Sun / JJMars
Trine MD Mercury / JJ Jupiter
Trine MD Venus / JJ Jupiter
Trine MD Sun / JJ Saturn
Conjunction MD Moon / JJ Saturn
Opposition MD Mars / JJ Uranus

[felkin]

Hello!

I'm responding only to your statement of a lot of trines. Sometimes, when people are new to astrology, they have a tendency to feel trines are really great. Trines are easy. That's all. They just tell us initially, that energy will be easy. Trines just sort of sit there, being great. Like the jock in high school that had no sense but his abs were to die for.

I personally think some squares and oppositions in the mix, are great b/c that is what helps to get things off the ground. Squares also teach us lessons, helping to build foundations if we can push through them.

Sextiles are nice, too but again...its easy. Like a soup, you want to have a lot of ingredients there.

Saturn, while feared a lot, can be a great indicator of long term ability. Not only where Saturn is for the both of you, but where it lies in your synnastry and if it is involved with Venus. A lot of marriages have Venus-Saturn aspects, although not typically squared. A lot of them are trine or conjunctions. Saturn also slows things down for us...to give us time to mature. I have a Venus-Saturn conjunction with someone who TRINES both my Sun and Venus signs but we've known each other 8 years. Things JUST NOW might be getting off the ground. It appears we have moon conjunctions, too but I'm not certain of birth time, either, yet. But you see? Saturn just slowed it on down. Even though we have insane chemistry. Sometimes, things just have a process. Saturn can spell it out for you.

Also look to your moons. Really study them. Learn what makes your moon happy. When moons are pleased, things run smoothly. When they are not, we tend to, as Mark Husson likes to say, become "luna"tics.

I don't read charts based on info alone. It would be helpful to post your respective charts and your synnastry.

I get the "hard to know"...I'm Cap Asc, too. With a Virgo Sun backing that up, you can imagine I can have what appears to be a tough shell. But when she feels free, that Gemini moon is fun and genuinely cares about very little in a serious sense. She just wants to have fun and believes in the goodness of people. When I feel threatened, my Asc comes marching in, ruled by Saturn, by the way, and I let nothing in or slide. I also take forever to show any part of myself.

Blessings...

[waybread]

This looks good, anjelik. Venus and Jupiter contacts are usually "feel good" aspects. Also the Venus-Mars trine for a romantic relationship.

Just a couple of things to keep in mind.

1. The moon moves one degree every two hours. With a narrow window like you've got, this shouldn't change anything; but with a really unknown birth time, we have to keep in mind that the moon will move 12 degrees during the course of the day.

2. Look and see how your paired suns and moons match up. This will give you a better idea of ego and emotional compatibility.

3. Look at this man's chart independently to see how he looks as relationship material. Sometimes the synastry looks good but one or both people just aren't cut out to stay in loving and responsible relationships over time.

4. As felkin mentioned, look for any harsh aspects, because those are apt to be flash points.

[anjelik]

Thank you both for your responses. He asked his mother and she did say it was between 11:30am and 1pm, but he has to look it up on his birth certificate. As far as relationship material is concerned, he was in a 6 year relationship from 22-28 and when he was in high school he was in a 2.5 yr relationship. He's been single roughly 2 years.. so I think he has the commitment ability (obviously). I'm attaching our charts individually if you'd like to take a look.

[felkin]

Your Moon is conjunct his Sun. That's good compatiability but it's 17 degrees. A lot of astrologers will tell you nothing less than 6 really makes a difference but I disagree. I think with a conjunction, the energy is just there. Maybe if 1 was at 1 degree and the other at 29, but anything else, I say holds weight. You are in the same "room". That energy is there.

You both have Air Moons - emotionally you likely approach things in a similar fashion, although you likely get through them faster or simply "forget". Your moon is going to connect more on talking, movement (like travel or moving often), games (board games, puzzles, mysteries)/mental activity and change. His will connect more on things that feel beautiful to him. If it's not what he deems is the best - forget it. Lighthearted with a touch of snobbery is how I would describe a Libra moon. Out of the two of you, emotionally he will appear to be "warmer", but Air moons are not the most cuddly in the bunch. Again, please learn what makes each of your moons happy. When you are NOT happy you could get ansty, feeling like you need to leave and leave fast. You also can get depressed easily if you don't have what you percieve as freedom. He will get fussy. I'm a Gemini moon so I am familiar with this. I also tend to like men with Air or Fire moons, b/c they aren't too "gooey". Hahah.

His Venus in Cancer will be well rec'd by your Venus in Earth, but it may not be the other way around. He's going to feel loved through food, home or security of both. You will feel love through control. Sorry...that's Cappy for you. The commonality is security. Your Venus is at 29 degrees. That is the degree of instant results. Anything you do in love - positive or negatively, you will see the results of right away.

Your Sun also opposes his Asc, by 1 Degree. That is a common placement for marriages, as your Sun falls into his 7th House. But it's also the house of open enemies. Not uncommon in marriages, from what I hear. jk

Okay...so your Sun sq your Moon. This is a very, very hard aspect to have in a natal...until you learn how to harness the energy. This means your insides may not match with your outsides. I have this placement, too. I couldn't figure out how I felt such sensitivity and people assumed I was fine and not feeling anything, really. So I am learning how to speak up about my feelings. You would think someone with 3 planets in Mercury would have no issue doing this but Mercury isn't all about feelings...it's more about thoughts and communicating those thoughts very quickly. You have Neptune at odds with Saturn. You might feel super sensitive but extremely slow to express it or not express it fully (Saturn is about restriction). I think this aspect is important b/c it will show itself in your relationships. Your partners may feel they can't read your or that you take a while to open up. This is maddening to some, others don't mind. A sq might also come across as wishy washy. ESPECIALLY with your Gemini moon. Learning how to speak my truth and trust my intution really helped me. But hey, I'm still learning.

Wow! I just looked at his Sun and Asc...you both are talkers. Your Moon (already linking with his Sun) also pairs nicely with his Asc (Virgo). He likely feels physically (Asc) what you feel emotionally (Moon). And you both have Earthy Asc. That's nice, too. Without thinking, on a day to day basis, you are both grounded, with sometimes a tendency to be superficial. Earth is all about surface...it always goes both ways.

Gosh, you and I have A LOT of similarities. I wonder what it would be like to meet each other. Hah. I'm always so fascinated by other women with Moon in Gemini. I always wonder if they have some of the same stuff come up I do.

Blessings...

[anjelik]

Felkin, thanks for your insight. I happen to agree with much of what you said. I have been told that I'm frustrating to get to know, in fact he has even said to me "if you keep so many secrets how am I ever supposed to get to know you?" - which has forced me to open up quicker than usual (to which I actually feel vulnerable and mildly insecure). I think most men do find me wishy washy and frustrating - I think the combo of my moon, sun and ASC make me come off that way.

He does have a lighthearted way about him, and I like that a lot. I definitely see the mild snobbery, or rather taste for nice things and im kind of like that too, so I don't mind too much. I've been with a lot of men that have earth moons and we just never see eye to eye emotionally. Yes, we are both talkers and I like how he is always sending me articles and links to funny things. I've never met someone whose mind moves quicker than mine in the sense of being all over the place (but in a good way) - so its pretty cool. I've been with one man with a cancer Venus and I really dug his warmth (not a fan of his Taurus moon though..too wet blanket at times). I also really like Leo Venus as well.

As far as his natal is concerned, I noticed he has both Pluto and his moon in the 2nd house - does this mean he's bad with money? Haha as a cap Venus I can't deal with someone that spends an blows money on silly things and isn't planning ahead!

I've never met another person with a Gemini moon either. Wait that might be a lie..I think I briefly dated a Sag with a Gemini moon and cap Venus. It was so cat an mouse..I couldn't figure him out and vice versa! We are similar? What is your other placements?

[felkin]

The vulnerabilty you feel is Capricorn percieving a loss of control. I get it!!

Okay...so we are both females with Cap Asc, Gem Moon paired with a Sun in an element that squares our moon. You are Pisces, I am Virgo...both square Gemini. That's what I recall off the top of my head... I'm so excited about this Gem moon!! Do you have to talk everything out? I change my mind a lot that it drives me batty. I am happiest when I have unlimited choices and everything is fun. If it isn't fun I don't want it.

Venus in Cap is ALL about a love of security through what they deem as secure. But maybe you are paired with him to learn and he from you. I know...a kick in the pants.

Pluto in 2nd House means transformation through money. It also tells us that Plutonian activity will bring money. Read up on Scorpio activites as well as the ruler of his 2nd House. Things could happen that appear to be volatile when that Pluto is activated but it's all about transformation. With his moon there, he could be emotionally attached to money or material items as it is in Libra. I refer to men with big Libra placements as "Little Princes". I knew someone who was a Capricorn married to a Libra. I'm sure you could guess who controlled money in that relationship. He was all about spending, spending and she didn't waste a dime. It irritated her to no end that he did this. He was on a budget and when it was gone...it was gone. He bought anything relating to his super expensive hobby - scuba diving and vacations were all about him and this activity. He refused to visit places like big cities or countryside (what she wanted) because there was no where to dive. But she doesn't dive. Sooooo....yea. Compromises were made.

Blessings...