gender and astrology

[flea]

I thought I would share an idea I have been pondering. It seems clear that you cant extract a gender from an astrology chart....Yet men and women have differences (controversial maybe to some- but this is my personal experience in my present moment).

So my wonderings wandered to how an astrology chart might differ through the filter of a different gender.

Astrology tends towards non geneder specific interpretations of chart factors....yet (generalisation) women have a more social intuitive outlook....and men well not that I can really know....but from my standpoint a more practical cognitive approach.

So I wonder if men work the yang energies of signs better, and women work the yin signs better.....I think it is a question worth rainsing and discussing.

FleaXX

[Arian Maverick]

I don't know if this will help much, but I had a vocational astrology reading from a professional astrologer a few years ago, and she said that she interpreted the energies of my natal chart differently because I am a young woman and not a young man. For example, she said that my chart shows some technical ability, but I am more likely to express this ability by assisting others with technical issues than by fixing computers, for example.

Arian Maverick

[Claire19]

Originally Posted by Arian Maverick

I don't know if this will help much, but I had a vocational astrology reading from a professional astrologer a few years ago, and she said that she interpreted the energies of my natal chart differently because I am a young woman and not a young man. For example, she said that my chart shows some technical ability, but I am more likely to express this ability by assisting others with technical issues than by fixing computers, for example.

Arian Maverick

IN this day and age that may be seen as sexist as more and more women are taking on male roles. That is very limiting analysis I would suggest.
Sure we have to take our Venus and Mars differently as male or female and our Moon and Sun too.

[RayAustin]

Originally Posted by Claire19

IN this day and age that may be seen as sexist as more and more women are taking on male roles. That is very limiting analysis I would suggest.
Sure we have to take our Venus and Mars differently as male or female and our Moon and Sun too.

That is a very limiting analysis.. seeing how I'm a female that builds/fixes computers .. anyone a little intelligent could do it if they wanted to. There's no gender requirement.

[flea]

I think Arian is just making an analogy......an example of likelihood ..... still giving the option of both circumstances yet saying there is a society bias....that would make sense to me. I really dont see anything at all sexist in the language, as it presents both ideas but with a tendency in a particular direction.

This subect will challenge ideas of sexism I believe. We are not saying what is or is not possible but what is likey...in a statistical sense.

There is a whole range of gender spectrum in the world that I am not trying to address in this thread...because I am trying to get a handle on what I feel is a complex issue and dont want to take too complex too quickly.

For example....what kind of differnces would be seen in someone with pisces sun and scorpio moon....would the genders tend to handle it differently.

So getting back on thread....what are people's experiences of this question...is it a question that you ask yourself or is it under the radar.

FleaXX

[RayAustin]

No one is taking it personal. I'm well aware it was an example, as was what I said... an example.

[Claire19]

Originally Posted by flea

I think Arian is just making an analogy......an example of likelihood ..... still giving the option of both circumstances yet saying there is a society bias....that would make sense to me. I really dont see anything at all sexist in the language, as it presents both ideas but with a tendency in a particular direction.

This subect will challenge ideas of sexism I believe. We are not saying what is or is not possible but what is likey...in a statistical sense.

There is a whole range of gender spectrum in the world that I am not trying to address in this thread...because I am trying to get a handle on what I feel is a complex issue and dont want to take too complex too quickly.

For example....what kind of differnces would be seen in someone with pisces sun and scorpio moon....would the genders tend to handle it differently.

So getting back on thread....what are people's experiences of this question...is it a question that you ask yourself or is it under the radar.

FleaXX

With a male the Scorpio moon represents his mother and his more feminine side which he projects outwards onto other females and the way he handles the domestic situation as the Moon represents our conditioning very often unconscious and our hereditary traits. THe Pisces Sun would be his core character and the way that he has taken on his father's traits..... Both signs tend to be psychic and so both the parents could have been very intuitive and
into the hidden realms.

With a female the Moon in Scorpio is her female self and the way she views other women. THe Sun in Pisces is her father image and other significant males and may be the type of person she is attracted to and feels familiar with.

[Claire19]

Originally Posted by RayAustin

That is a very limiting analysis.. seeing how I'm a female that builds/fixes computers .. anyone a little intelligent could do it if they wanted to. There's no gender requirement.

I agree it was......women are welders, carpenters, drive trucks and earthmoving equipment, all while doing their nails....only joking about the last part....

[Claire19]

Originally Posted by flea

I thought I would share an idea I have been pondering. It seems clear that you cant extract a gender from an astrology chart....Yet men and women have differences (controversial maybe to some- but this is my personal experience in my present moment).

So my wonderings wandered to how an astrology chart might differ through the filter of a different gender.

Astrology tends towards non geneder specific interpretations of chart factors....yet (generalisation) women have a more social intuitive outlook....and men well not that I can really know....but from my standpoint a more practical cognitive approach.

So I wonder if men work the yang energies of signs better, and women work the yin signs better.....I think it is a question worth rainsing and discussing.

FleaXX

It is very interesting. WIth females the Mars and Sun is our male ideal or that which we are attracted to and with men it is their Venus and Moon which shows what they are attracted to.

We are always projecting our inner scenario and hooking onto the appropriate figure out there.

Men do tend to identify with their Suns more and this is probably conditioning as they need to have bond with their father figures in order to have a sense of masculinity.

Women do work better often with their Moons and identify with the mother represented generally.

However either gender can have a predominance of yang or yin and I am one that is strongly yang and have never married or had children for instance. I am not domesticated but have worked all my life like my father and I am straight. but I do have a Taurus Moon .....I prefer very masculine men who are predominantly yang too. I find that yin women will do best with yin men, contrary to the popular belief that opposites attract. This I have come to realise only lately. I think in this Aquarian age the stereotypes are breaking down somewhat and the roles between men and women are more blurred.

Typically gay men identify with and are more connected to their mothers in my experience....however conflicted that may be....

[flea]

Claire,
Interesting idea about the sexes indentifying with sun or moon more strongly.... You have a yin moon which I find interesting....what is the yang dominance you refer too.

Hmmm I think independent of our sex we can identify more strongly with either parent...it is jsut the immense variety of life expression....anything can happen.

I have a yang sun and yin moon......so there is a kind of appropriateness to that.

Though my saggy sun....I relate to the curiosty and intellectual discourse much more than the adventuresome athelitcism it is know for. Maybe that is what I am thinking......the energy of a sign is seen through not just the chart but the energy field of a person. Which I believe are separate systems.

FleaXX

[Sagmoon]

Originally Posted by flea

...adventuresome athelitcism..

FleaXX

Just thought to say, amazing .

Apart from that, I was thinking that if astrology be made science, surely there should be indications as to what gender the natal chart represents. Then it would be much easier to judge how we express the energy available. Also i'm thinking that if it's not Mars' predominance then it should be something else, or even more appropriately, a combination of things...

[Kannon]

Flea,

One thing that I have long done is to visualize the natal chart of a woman as if over a watermark symbol of the Moon (at center) and Venus (at Asc). The biology is undeniable. Most of us are hardwired to express only one gender, a fundamental energy that is complementary to the opposite sex, even in non-sexual situations and relationships. Energy movement is created and enhance by polarity. No more controversial or in question in my mind than magnets having positive and negative poles.

[flea]

Sagmoon....I think it is fascinating that no one I hace heard of predicts gender by the chart...so that supports my proposition of no trace of physical gender in the chart.

Kannon,
Do you rotate the chart of a woman...to her asc? What does this give you access too. You mean the sign glyph of the moon I presume?? I am imagining my chart now. Yep i get what you are saying about polarities....reference to the oriental yin yang. There is a dance between the complementary energies.

Is your name after the japanese version Quan Yin? If so I am interested you chose a female avatar?

FleaXX

[Kannon]

Originally Posted by flea

Sagmoon....I think it is fascinating that no one I hace heard of predicts gender by the chart...so that supports my proposition of no trace of physical gender in the chart.

Kannon,
Do you rotate the chart of a woman...to her asc? What does this give you access too. You mean the sign glyph of the moon I presume?? I am imagining my chart now. Yep i get what you are saying about polarities....reference to the oriental yin yang. There is a dance between the complementary energies.

Is your name after the japanese version Quan Yin? If so I am interested you chose a female avatar?

FleaXX

No, I don't rotate the chart to the Moon or Venus position. I simply imagine a woman's chart overlayed upon the principles of Moon, Venus, as opposed to men, Sun, Mars. Men show more exaggerated or inflamed characteristics of all factors, whereas women show the more muted Lunar-Venusian expression.

Yes, Kannon = Quan Yin in Japanese. Many men in Japan have this name. It is the name I settled on as appropriate for me a couple years ago. I was born Joseph B... My avatar is my picture. I want people to see the real me.