Eating disorders..

[pisceskitty]

Hello all,

I was wondering if indications of an eating disorder can reveal itslef in a chart. I had anorexia in my early 20's. I have Chiron is Aries in the 6th house. I became a Vegetarian when I was 24. I also love to cleanse my body, with herbal teas..fasting etc..can anyone give me any clues?

Born: March 11th 1973
8:26pm
New york, NY

[Miss Saturn]

Here are some significators of a possible eating disorder from Parker's Astrology

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Looking at your chart PiscesKitty you have Sun Square Saturn (denying Self). You have a Libra Ascendant (focus on appearance). You have an afflicted Moon and Venus. You have Cancer on the M.C and the ruler of the M.C the Moon squares Mercury (this may put an emphasis on the thinking about food analyzing what you have eaten). Also you have Pluto in the twelfth house in Libra can represent deep psychological problems. Twelfth house likes to keep things hidden and Pluto secret, maybe with Pluto in Libra obsession on appearance.

Miss S

[pisceskitty]

Hi,

Oh goodness! thank you so much. Luckily I dealt with it long time ago. I eat healthy now, and becoming a vegetarian is a great help. I focus on eating healthy now. I also work out. I find myself enjoying life alot more lately! Thank you again Miss Saturn! Yet that Pluto in the 12th house concerns me. Just reading "deep psychological problems" makes me scared. I did tend to obsess over my weight, and hide it. So I suppose that explains it.

[Miss Saturn]

It's alright, I had a slight eating problem when I was younger. I have Saturn in the 1st house. Saturn oppose Sun. My Saturn is placed in Virgo. Maybe my Venus Square Pluto contributed as well being obsessed with appearance.

Miss S

[pisceskitty]

Miss Saturn,

Wow, you have Venus square Pluto? What is that like? a guy I was seeing had that same aspect. How does it manifest itself? I know...wrong forum!

[Frisiangal]

Further to Miss Saturn's list:

8) With anorexia, an afflicted Neptune. Using Placidus, Pisces is on 6th house cusp.

Many years ago I attended a lecture regarding a study of anorexia nervosa. Still got the tape somewhere.
Mum, the afflicted Moon, came off very badly and Venus, love and values, also came into the picture.
In retrospect, do you now know and understand why you became anorexic?Would you be willing to share the experience?

F.

[milkywaygirl]

Originally Posted by pisceskitty

Miss Saturn,

Wow, you have Venus square Pluto? What is that like? a guy I was seeing had that same aspect. How does it manifest itself? I know...wrong forum!

hey! miss s yeah i as well would like to hear how this aspect manifests for you. having it as well, it has really been a source of a really crazy intense and at times out of control love life.

i would sum my experience with this aspect as such:
-intense immediate attractions to people who are usually totally unsuitable: wrought with issues, poor, kind of crazy, unavailable in some way
-extremely intense emotions, sometimes feelings of not being able to live without the other person
-when the other person doesnt want to pursue the relationship anymore and is the one to make taht decision, crazy emotions; anger, jealousy, resentment that last for an unneccessarily long time
-when involved in a relationship for a while, the urge to get out because there must be something better and more intense out there
-control/manipulation issues
-when in a relationship, an almost obsession with sex and sexual activity - never able to get enough (*cough*)
-pining for innapropriate people, attempts to manipulate to "catch" that person

i have read that this aspect makes emotional/sexual involvements seem "fated", for me at least i can totally identify. almost all of my significant relationships totally seem that way.

but the biggest constant throughout it all is really powerful, almost overwhelming emotions in most relationships. in the past i have been borderline paralysed by such emotions, and in some cases have acted in ways that i dont feel are becoming or typical of me at all.

some of my friends have suggested to me that perhaps i have low self esteem because i almost always end up going for the wrong people. maybe i do have low self esteem and dont know it, but consciously i feel pretty good about my myself and dont think i have low self esteem. its just that i'll meet someone and get blown away and fall into something right away.. i cant say no because my emotions get so engaged. (i have asc/sun/moon/merc/uranus in water so i'm very emotionally driven... maybe if i was less water i wouldnt be so prone to the effect of this aspect)

anyway this is just how it has affected me. i know a lot of it sounds really terrible, and i have realized that and am trying to work through it. i think i've done a decent job of it as i have been able to overcome a lot of it, but its pretty hard still. at the end of the day though, theres really nothing like that feeling of being so wrapped up with someone so deeply and intensely, its really hard to describe. its not even all pleasurable, its really painful even when its going on, painful and pleasurable at the same time and a little scary as well. to illustrate, i remember times with several different men with whom i was involved, just lying in bed or sitting in a car and crying together because our emotions for one another were so strong. messed up!

i'm kind of trynig to stay away from those kinds of relationships these days and hopefully the next one i have will be balanced and not so intense. unfortunately you never know when you're gonna meet someone and have that crazy feeling!

i'd like to hear from miss s though and anyone else with this aspect! maybe i'm just a psycho!

[Claire19]

[QUOTE=Miss Saturn;16673]Here are some significators of a possible eating disorder from Parker's Astrology

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Looking at your chart PiscesKitty you have Sun Square Saturn (denying Self). You have a Libra Ascendant (focus on appearance). You have an afflicted Moon and Venus. You have Cancer on the M.C and the ruler of the M.C the Moon squares Mercury (this may put an emphasis on the thinking about food analyzing what you have eaten). Also you have Pluto in the twelfth house in Libra can represent deep psychological problems. Twelfth house likes to keep things hidden and Pluto secret, maybe with Pluto in Libra obsession on appearance.

Miss S[/

Very good comment.. Sometimes abuse is the at the root and often sexual.. Saturn rules the 4th of nurturance if Cancer is on the MC.
square to the Sun can mean harsh and unloving influences with parents.

[franklin taylor]

PiscesKitty,
I read your question and I looked at a text that uses a great deal of really famous astrologers texts of the past concerning health. While it says Anorexia is governed by Saturn located on the Axis of Capricorn and Cancer, Saturn being placed in the 4th or 10th houses, or an Aquarian Moon placement, its says eating habits are governed by Mercury. You had a Retrograde Mercury at birth, it squared a luminary (Moon), and its in the 5th which rules all things you do for pleasure which eating has been twisted from something we have to do into some thing for pleasure over time, even moreso with mass media telling us that it is. So what I am thinking (and saying) is with this affliction of Mercury you may have/had anxiety or nervousness (Mercury bad qualities) involving your eating habits in your lifetime. Also the Moon/Mercury square, (your Moon is in a home sign of Mercury so the energies of Mercury are really playing up in your affairs of the fifth house this square also pulls in the moon's emotional component into the fifth house. With the fifth house stellium, the affairs of the fifth house are quite important in your life.
Take Care.
Franklin

[23]

I am very naughty and haven't read anyone else's posts in great depth but my take on your anorexia is as follows.

Anorexia and other eating disorders are about:
1. Perfectionism;
2. Wrong body image and wrong thinking;
3. Control of oneself.

I think its probably not of benefit to have a Pisc mercury but I see libran pluto in the 12th - secrets and possessive control of mind in the matters of beauty (body image). 12th house cusp is also in virgo, which adds this perfectionistic pursuit. I am sure you lib ascendant has something to do with it as well. Plus mercury sq moon must have some emotional impact on your mind and its conj with sun - fusion of thought and person/being ego. Plus saturn (taskmaster) in taur (beauty) must have something to do with it.

Hope that helps. I'm only a novice.

[pisceskitty]

My Saturn in actually in Gemini in the 8th house. Your post is very informative! don't worry 23..being "naughty" is good sometimes!

[23]

oops sorry I'm rather embarrassed. To reinterpret, 8th house's cusp is on tau (beauty) - deeper mysteries of life/obssession to you maybe is to achieve beauty (through anorexia) and saturn being in the 8th adds the taskmaster element to it, yourself.

[pisceskitty]

Aww..no 23 don't be ashamed! your doing a wonderful job! keep up the good work!

[23]

Another thing that dropped when I logged off was that the 8th house (which in your case has Saturn) and 12th house (which has pluto) and 11th house is of importance.

They say that Anorexia for some has a religious/spiritual feeling in the sense that secret societies are created by sufferers and these sufferers end up inciting each other to starve themselves more all in the quest to achieve their goals of starvation. It becomes their mantra.

Just wondering if you when you were anorexic dealt with other sufferers, since you have 11th house cusp on virgo?

[cara4art]

Lots of people have commented along the way in my life about what they think is extremely disciplined eating - in the meantime I am not as strict as some people I have seen(VERY few, in our culture). Since the age of 26, following a short bout with mononucleosis, I got onto the path of natural health and fitness, and been so ever since(I am now 59, and am about to step up and refine things even further). Natally I have Saturn(6 Leo), Pluto(11 Leo), and the Moon(15 Leo) all conjunct in the 6th house, and Jupiter Rx(18 Scorpio, 8th house) squaring my Pluto-Moon conjunction there. That Jupiter Rx opposes my Mars(23 Taurus, end of 2nd house). My natal Saturn is quincunx my Ascendant(5 Pisces).
Unlike many middle-aged folks with a Pisces Ascendant, I am not overweight at all, and except for a 3-year period(stress-full, sedentary job with no exercise, or attention to diet at that time) in my early to mid-20's, have been on the slim side. I am very health-conscious with my food choices, and as mentioned above, many people find this to be excessively abstemious - they often say - "Oh, you don't need to be so disciplined/and or work out - you're slim!" Well, that's how I STAY slim, and personally I have benefited from a largely vegetarian diet with small amounts of lighter animal protein(no red meats of any sort here, or much dairy either)and little in the way of refined flour products. Also, I am highly sensitive to poor quality/overly rich/spoiled food - what others can eat with impunity can often make me ill - been that way since childhood. I don't drink or smoke either, and don't eat refined sugary things either, save for a little 70% dark chocolate(that's my only sweet). Other desserts are not part of my life. Even my husband comments on my discipline and discrimination about food!
I have also benefited greatly from the use of alternative medicine
I did get down to a very low weight in the couple of years following my mother's death in 1978, but put on a few beneficial solid muscular pounds due to training in the years following. I have not gained any appreciable weight following menopause either, due to good health habits.
Anyway, here's my birthdata if anyone want to comment on the above:
6/21/1947 11:51PM Providence, RI USA

[Miss Saturn]

PiscesKitty,

I was just reading through this thread and I missed the part were you said you were worried about your Pluto in the twelfth house meaning "deep psychological problems". Sorry didn't mean to scare you. This was just what I had read on the placement. Everyone will have difficult placings in their chart. I have read many terrible things about my Mercury square Neptune aspect, but it doesn't really worry me, I am trying to ground my mind and bring in more focus, I am trying to use my aspects more positively I try not to dwell in the negative too much.

This sounds terrible but I love charts with really interesting aspects and placements, it makes for a very interesting person to me. My Partner he has his Moon in the Twelfth house, I know his problems, I know what is behind his Twelfth house Moon. With his past and childhood, he has had a lot to overcome. I love everything about him and yes he was emotionally wounded from childhood (Moon in Twelfth house) but I love him all the more because he is facing his pain and is a very loving kind person and he treats me lovely. My son has Mercury in the twelfth house but as you know I am not going to read his chart (being an overly worried mother). I am sure whatever problems my son has to overcome in this lifetime, he will do with courage, like his father.

Here is something I read from Parker's Astrology


I hope you don't worry about your placements in your chart, here is a little more information on this placing in your chart.

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Hope this helps to ease your mind.

Miss S

[pisceskitty]

Miss S,

Aww thank you so, so much. I tend to worry about that 12th house alot! when i looked at my solar return for 2007/2008 it had the Moon/Jupiter/Pluto sittin' right in there! But they are all making positive aspects to Venus. The Moon in the Ruler of the 7th. I sit and look at the 12th house like- LoL
I tend to worry alot! I'm very much a worry wart! I'm dealing with alot of past issues. It's been a painful/scary journey, but i'm getting there. I'm a tough cookie

[Shining Ray]

Uranus and it's relation to eating disorders - Uranus can disassociate on a physical level. Detachment can present itself as body dysmorphia, a distorted sense of body image, which in itself can result in disease, such as anorexia or bulimia, which are commonly regarded as an attempt at control, but at the root are a bid for freedom - from physical life itself. Dissociation is behind many if not all physical and psychological problems.

Shining Ray

[Mere]

Well, I am finally seeing a counselor who is helping me work through my binging/purging tendencies and the root of them. She said that because I label things (food in particular) "good" or "bad" and I put a strong restriction on them (maybe becaus of a strong Scorpio ascendant and having a strong pluto in the 12th house)? Also, my counselor and I are beginning to think that one of the triggers for the out of control eating patterns that I am experiencing have to relate to a horrible break up that I went through two summers ago when a lunar eclipse conjucted my natal moon and Venus and was opposition my natal Neptune.