Hyperactive girl ADHD?

[astrologer50]

This little girl was very premature and is quite a sickly child, very hyperactive, agressive, talks a lot, attention seeking. showing all signs of ADHD condition. Would this be indicated by the mars (exalted) in 12th opp saturn in 6th? Mars square jupiter suggests to me confidence in acting. She never stops moving, like human dynamo. I've suggested cutting out chocolate (caffiene) fizzy pop which also has caffiene and sugar. Just recently I suggested no fruit after mid afternoon (fruit sugars) or before bedtime, try milk or milkshakes instead. Anyone got ideas how to manage a poor worn out father (with his own health problems)??

Sun conj 2nd cusp but conj uranus suggests lots of impatience, impulsiveness. Neptune conj Asc - mother disappears at Age 3, father has sole care. This can also suggest guillibility and bit too trusting of people.

When prog moon was conj Neptune in first she was hospitalised again for 6days, high temperatures, regular tonsilitious. Think this time problem with chest and breathing difficulties.

Prog venus is almost conj sun now and T Jupiter on sun. With Aqu Asc and Saggi moon & MC I do feel she will need lots of freedom and independence to explore, but at 5 she breaks lots of things, still eats/shallows put things in mouth she shouldn't be doing to the point few nights ago she badly vomited all her tea back -- bit of metal toy lodged in throat...

Any suggestions, calming methods? does it look like ADHD?

[starlink]

Astrologer50, you told us that:

This little girl was very premature and is quite a sickly child,
This I think could be the Saturn in sesquiquadrate to her chart ruler Uranus as well as the Moon, ruler of her 6th house of health, squaring Sun and Uranus. An afflicted Moon as ruler of the 6th house can show compulsive eating (still eats/shallows) , ulcers and allergies.

What is very important in this chart is the Bucket pattern with Saturn in her 6th house as the handle. Saturn represents the outlet for all the energies we find in the bown, in other words, she can let it all out through an illness.

On the positive side, and when she is older and like Docker astutely mentioned, her Saturn will go direct. A Bucket pattern can manifest as a special talent through which she can express herself, which I believe could be something to do with "the underdog", something humanitarian. Jupiter, ruler of her 11th house in T-square with her Saturn in 6 and her Mars,in the 12th. Traditionally Mars rules her 10th house of career.
Saturn is positioned quite neatly in the middle of that bowl which indicates that she will know what to do and how to go after it.
I read that the bucket person, when she /he uses the energies negatively, can become an agitator, and when positively, a teacher and an inspiration to others.

very hyperactive,
I would not say that the hyperactivity is caused by that Mars-Saturn opposition as that is more known as a typical stop and go aspect, not a go go go aspect.
But that Mars of hers is exalted in Capricorn and even though it is opposed to Saturn, that Saturn retro wont be much of a brake here. What makes her so active is her Mars-Sun in 1st house sextile as well as her Mars square Jupiter and right now, the transit of Jupiter over her Uranus-Sun conjunction.

A person with a Sun-Uranus conjunction in the first house is bound to be restless, eccentric and unpredictable, especially when the ruler of this conjunction is also placed in the 1st house and in Aquarius. and conjunct her Ascendant and trine Jupiter.
agressive
Yes, she could be frustrated, bored and very direct, but I would not call it aggressiveness with Mars in 12 opposing it's own ruler. Even the square to Jupiter I would not call an agressive aspect because Jupiter is in Libra and Venus in Pisces where it is exalted and functions well. What she needs is personal freedom and when she feels hemmed in, she can act in an angry way which could be interpreted as aggressive behavior, but I dont think this girl is an aggressive person or turn out to be one. I think she feels very frustrated at times.

talks a lot,
Ruler of the 3rd house, Mars, squaring Jupiter and sextile Sun and of course the Mercury-Pluto square! (compulsive talking)

attention seeking
Maybe the quintile between Venus and Pluto, Sun/Uranus conjunction in the 1st house, combining the 1st and 7th house rulers in the "me first" house. Later in life I think she will distanciate herself often from others and can have difficulties in forming a lasting relationship, probably all due to the divorce of her parents and the upset she went through at home.

showing all signs of ADHD condition.

Personally I dont think so. This affliction, as far as I know, has to do with not being able to concentrate. I believe, that when she gets older and when she is stimulated, she has the ability to concentrate because of the trine from Mercury to Saturn and ruler of her 3rd house in Capricorn.
She is a dreamer though, because of the Mercury-Moon trine and of the placement of Mercury in Pisces and Neptune trine Jupiter. Great imagination, lots of idea's, very orgininal in everything this girl. Her way of thinking could be slower, (even with a trine to Saturn ), then a Mercury in aspect with other planets. Saturn always slows down, but makes for more deliberate thinking and and a well-developed intellect. It even shows creative ability, especially because Mercury here is ruler of her 5th house and placed in the 2nd (Taurus/Venus) house. Creative ideas can be transformed into concrete results. The square to Pluto makes for deep thinking as well. She could be worried quickly about things which she feels intuitively (Mercury rules her 8th and is in Pisces).
I believe that this girl is so full of ideas that she should be stimulated in order to express these qualities. I think that singing, dancing, painting would be great for her, as would maybe swimming with all those Pisces planets and ruler 5, Mercury (hobbies) also in Pisces, trine Moon. She should be kept busy and receive acknowledgement for the things she does. I am sure she will then become much easier to handle.

This girl is afraid to tell others what she wants (Mars in 12) and has no other way of letting people know certain things, then throwing a tantrum or maybe asking for attention in a negative way. Her parents should ask her what she would like to do and do things together with her, so she feels that she is important. A small child needs this, especially from a parent. I suppose she lives with her mother, so her father especially should give her all his attention and really show her how important she is to him. A little child at this age does very much realise that separation of her parents unfortunately and I think she misses her father to whom she is close I think (traditional ruler 4 conjunct Asc.ruler). I am not surprised that she is acting like this, because I guess that the stress between the parents must have been noticeable to her from very early onwards. How old was she when her parents divorced?

[starlink]

Absorbing others emotional states and then transforming it in extra energy, her asc. ruler is uranus after all. Plus all the other factors don't help a lot.

I just read this after posting my own post. This can be very true indeed and this is what make people highly nervous. I still think she does not have this ADHD. She is just highly sensitive.

[Nexus7]

Well, whether this girl has ADHD or not, she certainly does seem to be challenged, and the first post indicate that she does tend to be accident prone, aggressive and attention-seeking, and there are concerns that she may get into many more scrapes yet.

At one time, she might simply have been perceived as the next Caalmity Jane, withor without any potentially stigmatising labels, but it still seems nonetheless that she may be something of a challenge for her carers, especially if they have problems of their own (look at that Sun square Moon on her MC again!)


A consensus seems to be emerging, that some kind of bond where she really gets 'heard' may be beneficial. And activities that may be more or less therapeutic for her.

So far, my question would be -what does so far, seem to help this small person expressherself better, and stay safe and sound?

[starlink]

I am always very careful labeling someone with some sort of "disease". I think that only doctors can assess this, not astrologers. In hindsight it is easier, when you know the person who has the illness or affliction and the chart of that person, and even then you can end up with 4 totally different charts and 4 same diseases, s0 to say from a chart that the person has this or that I find difficult and even a bit dangerous. Before you know it, they have a stigma put on them. The child should be sent to a child psychologist if she seems to be so difficult to handle. This is what I would suggest to the parents when they would come to me, pointing out of course the tension prone aspects in the chart to them and also suggesting, what we did here, some sort of physical exercise and a hobby which keeps her occupied. That can never hurt

[astrologer50]

thanks for contributing,

The parents divorced age 2, father has sole custardy the mother was impatient and slapped her around for misbehaving.....

I think the most frustrating thing is not so much giving her freedom and independence as much as keeping her fully occupied. I hadn't paid to much attention to the bucket pattern and saturn, so will look into this bit more. At the moment T Uranus is conj her mercury which rules her 5th & 8th houses, so I expect her mind, thoughts and speech to be bit 'wired' at the moment and exciteable to.

[starlink]

Good lord, poor little thing. No wonder that Mars in the 12th! I am glad she is with the father. Let him know about the "giving attention and making her feel important", as she could have felt like a "zero" being treated like that by her mother. Some people....

[Nexus7]

I am always very careful labeling someone with some sort of "disease". I think that only doctors can assess this, not astrologers. In hindsight it is easier, when you know the person who has the illness or affliction and the chart of that person, and even then you can end up with 4 totally different charts and 4 same diseases, s0 to say from a chart that the person has this or that I find difficult and even a bit dangerous. Before you know it, they have a stigma put on them.

I do know what labelling can do to a child, rather too well.

At the same time, if the child does seem unhappy or distressed, then neither maybe, might there be any mileage in saying that 'everything is fine' if its not.

By the sound of it, though, thehings could intheend be sensitively resolved.....

[Surprise]

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[Rageypoo]

is her hygeia in 3rd house or pisces? should post a chart...

[twoelevens]

I as well have Sag in moon and Aqu Asc.

It sounds a bit silly, but recently realized I have ADHD, or i potentially show many symptoms of ADHD. At times I can be very talkative or other times very quiet, but for sure I can't seem to stay in one place for a very long time, as well as being very active (walk around a lot), I also tend to be very observant and am very easily distracted.

If it helps at all, I noticed physical activities help (sports, working out, etc), help expend all that energy into activities i enjoy.

I hope this website helps:
http://www.ehow.com/how_2119511_trea...naturally.html

[astrologer50]

Originally Posted by twoelevens

I as well have Sag in moon and Aqu Asc.

It sounds a bit silly, but recently realized I have ADHD, or i potentially show many symptoms of ADHD. At times I can be very talkative or other times very quiet, but for sure I can't seem to stay in one place for a very long time, as well as being very active (walk around a lot), I also tend to be very observant and am very easily distracted.

If it helps at all, I noticed physical activities help (sports, working out, etc), help expend all that energy into activities i enjoy.

I hope this website helps:
http://www.ehow.com/how_2119511_trea...naturally.html

thanks that was very helpful. I have also read that taking omega 3,6 helps. She also has bad squint eye and I think this makes here more accident prone and aggressive unfortunately.

[Nexus7]

The Mars square Jupiter is exact.....

But what stands out more is the fact that her chart ruler Uranus is conjunct Sun/Veus and squaring the Moon on her Midheaven. I wonder if her distractibility is not exacerbated whenever there is greater-than usual emotional disconnect in her life. How does she process feelings related to separation, for example?

Perhpas she will need adults around her who can give her a greatersesne of stability than otherwise, she may especially need this, however off-hand she may seem.

Anotherthing that comes to mind - possibly being with animals, watersports, might somehow be calming for her?

Iwould imagine shewould need to learn how to use computers, TV'S, phone, ETC, wisely, as I suspect that it is apretty ADHD-type world we live in anyway.

[docker]

I have to say this: Jupiter is the energy receiver from Mars, which is strong cause of his exalted position and Saturn which is detriment in cancer. There is a T-square here. Jupiter (in retrogression) trying to handle the energy that took from both planets and finally gives a lot of this energy. Expansion can be fulfilled through act in a tangible form. Saturn can't restrict Mars (exalted) cause he is taking good aspects from Sun and Mercury (fall - weak mind square Pluto - the multiply of). The energy in her mind. Mercury square Pluto gives her neurobehavioral problems, incapability to communicate correctly or even damage in neural centers as vision, talk or hear. can't handle the situation objectively. That means that Saturn (also retrograde-inner) trying to handle (restrict) this energy through her mind but at the end it gives it through the T-square, to Jupiter. It's the only way to express the inner block that she feels. Sun also share his energy with Mars even in a smaller amount (sextile). Dispositor of Jupiter, Venus exalted in pisces in first house, the way how energy translated from Jupiter. Finally all this energy "hit" her Asc with a trine (a good channel) to flow the huge energy (hyperactive personality).

Jupiter in Libra show us that this person needs people around her (important) and do stuff that she likes as painting or other art things so to express her energy correctly. She likes nice colors as pink and blue cause she likes beauty environments to stay calm. The most important thing is to keep busy and develop her mind through this as to play, act some roles like sing or dance to express the energy she feels inside her. Thats my opinion! Hope I helped.

[astrologer50]

Thanks for comments, I suppose have chart ruler conj sun, venus in 1st is all about putting self first being the house of Aries. Sun conj 2nd hopefully may offer the stability of taurus. Last year she was hopsitalised 4x for high temperature and tonsilitious complications...

I am concerned about Saturn in 6th and health problems like - Illnesses related to Saturn: bone deseases like arthritis, broken bones, rhumatism, all ailments that are chronic. It would be interesting to hear from any member with afflicted Saturn in 6th