here is my natal chart and particulary interesting stuff about me

[2complicated]

let's see if you can find what i listed below in my natal chart (and i'll give you only the bad or not so good things so it's not about my ego)

.ultra messy (i'm plain dirty, seriously)

.atheist (i act and live like an atheist but philosophically i'm more agnostic.)

.very tend to get addicted to stuff (smoking since 14 years old and not thinking quitting)

.very lazy (i don't work, i tried it, i don't like it, i know what is going to happen if i keep doing nothing, but then i say whatever and puff, all the worries are gone.)

.loner (i don't need other people much, i'm never really bored or lonely, i'll always find something to kill time, just like this post)

.provocative
.sarcastic
.disdainful

.i guess i'm a lot like "the fool" from tarot deck with a pessimistic twist.
.the writers and poets i like; beckett, rimbaud, baudelaire, plath, gustav meyrink, anna kavan, louise glück. i like the imagist and symbolist movements in literature and preraphaelities and art nouveu from fine arts. (now here i might be a little bit driven by my ego but whatever, hey, add to the list, "no principles")

.waiting for godot would be my motto.

.i'm neither happy nor unhappy. i think both are overrated.

and here is the screenshot of my chart;



i heart my pluto moon conjunction btw.


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[astrologer50]

Members in ALL forums are expected to give their own astrological interpretations before members can respond. If you cannot or will not do this then Greenhorns Lounge is the place to be......

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It would also help if we had an idea how old you are and whether you are male or female??

[starlink]

i'll always find something to kill time, just like this post)

2complicated, I dont know if you realised this, but this Forum is a learning forum not a guessing forum. It would be appreciated if you could show some interest in learning more about this ancient art.

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[2complicated]

here is a better chart (only medium and strong aspects listed);



i can't see how moon has anything to do with being messy. sure, if you don't have much earth, that might make you untidy. but libra is all about "trying" to balance things out and surely not an extreme sign. they are into beauty, arts and stuff. logically, if moon is in libra, you could say that i'll have a knack to connect and understand people "emotionally". moon and libra makes me think that. not being messy.

.emotionally extroverted.
.looking for emotionally peaceful environment.
.emotionally understanding.
.emotionally charming or, at least, interesting. (for other people)

besides, it's in the 7th house. house of relationships. an extroverted air sign. how come i'm a loner then? (yeah, pluto you will say. but why it doesn't make me extremely extroverted instead)

the program i have says 6th house is practical integration. pluto is there. maybe that's why. pluto being rebellious and chaotic, doesn't want to be practical.

my ascendant is aries. yet i'm very lazy. that's one of the most energic signs out there.

12,7,1 and 6th houses enlarged. rest are shrinked, especially 3,4,9,1o. what about this?

mars in the cusp of 6 and 7th houses. also leo and virgo cusp. double cusp. can anyone even explain this correctly? i very much suspect it.

you said, jupiter in taurus so that's why you are an atheist. but why jupiter makes me practical only about that? why it doesn't give me motivation to make money for example?

mercury in the gemini cancer cusp. i think this makes me either too emotional or too logical. this is maybe one of the most important things thats makes me myself in my chart. and i'm never in the middle. i'm either ice cold logical, or freakishly caring. like, one day, when you tell me you are worried about something, i'll explain you why do you feel like that using evolution, how monkeys also tend to that, how hormons and dna and stuff explains everything... and the other day, i'll say how humans are half gods, they can change whatever they want if they try hard, talking to your "soul". the less you use your soul, the less human you are. like, if you think you will be hurt so you build up a defensive wall around your heart, you will feel what that wall letting inside. %29 of love. then if that person hurts you, you will be hurt %71 less. but the love you have experienced was %29 of the original, so nothing really changed. blablabla. you reap what you sow.

anyway, take a look out the chart where you can see things better without weak aspects, then we can continue.

edit;

waiting for godot; is a samuel beckett play, where two characters waiting for godot (a person) and he never comes, and they are (the two) pretty much knows he will never come. nevertheless, they wait, as they have nothing better to do, or no motivation to do anything, using this as an excuse, fooling themselves. sorts of a miracle, if happens, will change everything... in fact, the very impossibility of this miracle what makes the two believe it can change everything.

i heart my pluto moon conjunction; i love my pluto moon conjunction, as i make peace with myself and accepted every negative or socially frowned upon traits of my personality. this conjunction makes me, so i have no fixed opinions about anything, i'll never do as i have been told even if that's the best thing to do and i'll benefit from it. it makes my moon overcharged, so it's even more reactive and aware. again, with a pessimistic or negative or dark or cynical twist.

[EJ53]

Originally Posted by 2complicated

...how come i'm a loner then?...ascendant is aries. yet i'm very lazy...jupiter in taurus doesn't give me motivation to make money...mercury in the gemini cancer cusp is maybe one of the most important things thats makes me myself in my chart..

Chiron in Taurus/1st house, on cusp of Aries/Taurus......so, trine Mars (chart+ascendant ruler); sextile Mercury (ruler of 3rd house/communications and intercepted Virgo in 6th/work) and opposite Uranus in Scorpio/7th (ruler of 12th/waiting for Godot).

[2complicated]

Originally Posted by EJ53

Chiron in Taurus/1st house, on cusp of Aries/Taurus......so, trine Mars (chart+ascendant ruler); sextile Mercury (ruler of 3rd house/communications and intercepted Virgo in 6th/work) and opposite Uranus in Scorpio/7th (ruler of 12th/waiting for Godot).

i'm confused... where's chiron? all i can see south node around there and it's nowhere near aries taurus cusp.

trine mars? trine to what? can't see any trine mars making.

sextile mercury... the only sextile it's making with mars and that should be a good thing. mercury being smarts, mars being drives and insticts.

again, the only opposition uranus making is with south node.

virgo intercepted? i guess you are talking about how the house it's in enlarged? well, other than leo and aquarius, all the signs intercepted in my chart then.

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Jupiter is not famous for being a hard worker, there in the 2nd House maybe it makes you feel like you'll always be lucky and will have the necessary resources?

see, this is an easy guess. cause as far as i know, jupiter is the best thing you can have in a sing or house after sun. in fact, if there's one planet that ***** that should be saturn, bringing challenges and limitations.

The 2nd House is related to the exploration of material aspects of the physical world. Planets placed here are related to one's personal assets and sense of self-worth. This house is very much connected with finances and personal income, and personal talents which are directly related to earning capacity. Difficult planetary placements in this house undermine the feeling of self-worth and create fixations as regards financial security.

The House Jupiter is in shows where there will be good fortune and expansion in your personal life. This House position will indicate the specific area in life in which you gain insight and grow in understanding. This area will generally be very fortunate for you.

so, based on these two descriptions, the selfworth thing fits. but being lucky or wise (jupiter) about finances and personal income doesn't. maybe we can say that, jupiter just makes you potentially lucky, but you have to do something else than waiting to make this potential luck work.

mars is really whats bothering me most being in double cusp. 5 and 6th houses, leo and virgo. as i said in my first thread her in this forum, stuff like this almost impossible to interprete.

[EJ53]

Originally Posted by 2complicated

i'm confused... where's chiron?

Draw up a natal chart at astro.com, and include "Chiron"......(it was around 1 degree of Taurus in 1976).......Then search the Net to find out about how Chiron works in your chart.

[EJ53]

Originally Posted by 2complicated

virgo intercepted? i guess you are talking about how the house it's in enlarged? well, other than leo and aquarius, all the signs intercepted in my chart then.

A sign is intercepted if it is not on the cusp of any house......Virgo and Pisces in your Placidus chart.

This means of course, that two other signs must appear on the cusp of more than one house ("duplicated houses")......Capricorn on 10th/11th and Cancer on 4th/5th, in your Placidus chart.

Astrologers differ about what this means......but I believe it indicates that the positive characteristics/qualities of the intercepted signs (Virgo/Pisces) become accessible only after recognising/correcting an inappropriate attitude to activitities in the lower duplicated houses (4th/10th) which adversely affects those in the higher duplicated houses (5th/11th).

The 4th/10th is the parental axis......and you say of them "I pretty much hated my parents. and it wasn't anything like teenage angst. my dad and mother passed away now and I didn't miss them a single day."

The 5th/11th is the social relationships axis......and you say "I'll never go for leadership but I will create this little anarchic group and we will much probably ignore those clowns."

Virgo/Pisces is the work and spiritual axis......and the negative aspects of this might be (for example)......ultra messy...atheist/agnostic...addicted...lazy...loner...provocative.. .sarcastic...disdainful...waiting for godot..neither happy nor unhappy.

Originally Posted by EJ53

Chiron in Taurus/1st house, on cusp of Aries/Taurus......so, trine Mars (chart+ascendant ruler); sextile Mercury (ruler of 3rd house/communications and intercepted Virgo in 6th/work) and opposite Uranus in Scorpio/7th (ruler of 12th/waiting for Godot).

In your Saturn Return chart, Chiron (at 1 degree Aquarius) makes a tight boomerang configuration with your natal Mercury/Saturn/Mars.

[2complicated]

ej53, reading what you write, i first said, wow, how true! but then i figured how it's not really astrology related. it's saying something like, if you mooo and if you eat grass all day and if you let them milk you, you can be a good cow.

if i wasn't "inappropriate" in this social relationship axis of yours, then i would be a friendly and nice person, who like socializing with anybody, a total idiot, a bloody evangelist or a barefaced class clown... i'd be in this neverending loop of arselicking, u lick mine, i lick yours. see, both satisfied. i'd rather kill myself. see, i said i'm an atheist. you know why? because 1. i can't be bossed around and 2. no one can tell me how to live my life. now astrology says the freaking same thing the religion says, be good, get along with people, don't you be arrogant and stuff... it's just i don't have it and i don't want to have it and much more importantly while i don't have it i'm not going to act like as if i have it. because i potentially can. but that's hypocrisy, denying my very "chaotic neutral" core.

i don't like an astrology that shows the way to the stars and stuff. i'm a grasshopper, the summer is long... dying in winter very poetic.

but yes... if you want fame, power, success, money that's the logical thing to do, i guess. kaminari i found this description;

north node 7th;

Major turning points arise concerning your relationship to others in the middle part of your life. Early in your life most of your instincts are concerned with maintaining personal freedom and independence. Professionally you will be split in your attitude as to whether you should cooperate with others, or make it on your own. In your mid-thirties you will probably accept the necessity to build up a variety of contacts and important professional relationships, and this will bring success. It is essential to shift the emphasis from individual fulfilment to greater consciousness of fulfilling the needs of others.

mid-thirties... no worries then. 2 years more loitering for me. yay.

how do you cast this saturn return chart anyway?

like, what's spiritual about being normal? all you guys talking about stars and mystery and heavens and stuff but in the end saying be good, love everyone... be normal. isn't there another way? something maybe nietzsche like or drinking and cursing people all day, getting all super alienated, finding the peace in evil or chaos or i don't know...

herd behavior; love everyone so they would love you back. then when the predator appears and if you twist your ankle while running one of them can carry you. why not be like an eagle or a shark, that's self sufficient. is it impossible?

[astrologer50]

12,7,1 and 6th houses enlarged. rest are shrinked, especially 3,4,9,1o. what about this?

You have calculated your chart using the default on astro.com of placidus and I use Equal House system and am a modern astrologer. Lots of people that come into Astrology get their free charts calculated at www.astro.com and the default ‘house system’ used is Placidus and think that’s just the norm and all that there is……..BUT that is just the tip of the iceberg. You can change the default on astro.com in Extended Chart selection to Equal house and a few more.

Throughout the forums but mainly in natal astrology there are two main branches Placidus (unequal size houses) v Equal House (whereby each house is same size) but lots more……. For more information on these go here.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_(astrology)#Description
http://www.astrolozy.com/article19.asp
http://www.skyviewzone.com/birthinfoforms2/housesexplained.htm

It's only with study and research will you be able to assess where your planets are deposited and in which houses... thus see which 'glove fits'

Basic astrology
Now basically your sun sign is your 'core beliefs, values, ego' and Asc is your physical body, mode of expression and mask and persona that we all wear and hide behind, but definitely not what's going on underneath. What's going on underneath is your Sun sign. Moon sign, house placements and aspects describe your emotional and intuitive responses, also describes your view of your mother, as saturn describes your father by sign and house position.

So, think of a glass milk bottle the bottle is your Asc and your sun the milk, but the milk still has to 'come out' through the glass neck of the milk bottle....

Now aspects within a natal chart represent 'facets' of our personality, because we are all multifaceted beings. What these do is 'break down and compartmentalise' these facets into smaller bite size chunks. This does take quite a lot of self analysis and objectivity to 'see yourself' and why you do certain things and behave in certain ways. Actually it can be quite good therapy...

Now sun square moon suggests divorced or divided parents
http://cafeastrology.com/natal/sunmoonaspects.html

i can't see how moon has anything to do with being messy. sure, if you don't have much earth, that might make you untidy. but libra is all about "trying" to balance things out and surely not an extreme sign. they are into beauty, arts and stuff. logically, if moon is in libra, you could say that i'll have a knack to connect and understand people "emotionally". moon and libra makes me think that. not being messy.

.emotionally extroverted.
.looking for emotionally peaceful environment.
.emotionally understanding.
.emotionally charming or, at least, interesting. (for other people)

besides, it's in the 7th house. house of relationships. an extroverted air sign. how come i'm a loner then? (yeah, pluto you will say. but why it doesn't make me extremely extroverted instead)

Libra moon is also restless, procrastinating and indecisive, like pisces and gemini. Also it can be arguementative, then add the conj to Pluto, suggests someone emotionally obsessive controlling, jealous. So I suspect if you cannot control your emotions and those who are close to you, you may want to withdraw rather than get embrioled.

Now if pluto is within 5' of 7th house cusp it is considered to be more effective in 7th or next house along. The chart you posted is still inadequate cos it doesn't show the degrees of the planets and what orbs you use with internal planet to planet aspects
Uranus in the 7th is a divorce aspect and Aquarius/uranus has issues to do with freedom and independence

Also in Equal house Saturn will be in 4th not 5th and this is where we lack confidence and have to work a little harder to compensate. Saturn only has one aspect and that is to uranus - freedom v convention.

mars in the cusp of 6 and 7th houses. also leo and virgo cusp. double cusp. can anyone even explain this correctly? i very much suspect it.

Mars is in 5th conj 6th house cusp-- same rule within 5' next house cusp going anti clockwise the planet/energy is considered working in next house ie: 6th NOT 7th

you said, jupiter in taurus so that's why you are an atheist. but why jupiter makes me practical only about that? why it doesn't give me motivation to make money for example?

Jupiter in 2nd house suggests you have enough faith in your own abilities to earn a crust and square to mars gives confidence, but taurus can be lazy and the 2nd is not just about how you earn your income but what makes you feel secure, values personal beliefs.
http://www.dkfoundation.co.uk/dkfoun...armaHouse2.htm

Cancer sun is a 'worrier' shrewd in business and usually good with money, family orientated and a home bird. Probably you are a loner, cos you get your needs met at home by family -- end of.

Regarding your beliefs, neptune may well be conj 9th house cusp of religion and neptune has no boundaries, causes confusion, illusion and dellusions plus you only have a sextile to moon. So women or mother offer opportunities for growth -- if you can be bothered to act.

Another last comment is the 'lack of aspects' in your chart suggests a loner. Also you should be aware that we have a search feature here on AW, bit like google and this topic has been discussed greatly -- if you can be bothered to research it

[2complicated]

Now sun square moon suggests divorced or divided parents

not true in my case. they couldn't stand each other though. my mother was a control freak and my dad was like, i work and make money so i've done my part type. to say the least, the more they are tried to discipline me, the more extreme and rebellious i got and this whole process make me like them less and more less.

Libra moon is also restless, procrastinating and indecisive, like pisces and gemini. Also it can be arguementative, then add the conj to Pluto, suggests someone emotionally obsessive controlling, jealous.

but conjunctions are supposed to be good aspects. why add what's bad about pluto to the libra? librans (two of my exes were libran women and i'm greatly attracted to librans in general) hate confrontation. they have like tons of friends. they want to create a peaceful environment and they are trying to do that by being friends with everyone and they are naturally talented about that. and i know librans, they sure like quality debates but they wont go scream your face, they will argue with you because they like to make brain exercise (like i'm doing here i guess)

Now if pluto is within 5' of 7th house cusp it is considered to be more effective in 7th or next house along.

this is one of the things that bothering me in astrology. why draw a house bigger than it has to be and then say it's in this house but closer to next one so it's considered there... logically, it's just in the middle of two houses or signs. maybe about to leave a house but doesn't even entered to the next one. it just doesn't make sense to me... (as i discussed in my first thread)

Uranus in the 7th is a divorce aspect and Aquarius/uranus has issues to do with freedom and independence

i always read this as "unconvetional relationships" as how i'm attracted to different, wierd, crazy kind of people. but if you go get married with someone who is conventional, then it can be a divorce aspect i guess.

Regarding your beliefs, neptune may well be conj 9th house cusp of religion and neptune has no boundaries, causes confusion, illusion and dellusions plus you only have a sextile to moon. So women or mother offer opportunities for growth -- if you can be bothered to act.

in fact neptune is trine to ascendant, sextile to moon and again, sextile to pluto. if all these stuff shares one thing that should be being a nonconformist, an idealist.

[astrologer50]

Originally Posted by 2complicated

not true in my case. they couldn't stand each other though. my mother was a control freak and my dad was like, i work and make money so i've done my part type. to say the least, the more they are tried to discipline me, the more extreme and rebellious i got and this whole process make me like them less and more less.
What do you think 'divided' means? didn't get along? cannot stand each other? me think you are splitting hairs here over words


but conjunctions are supposed to be good aspects. depends on the planets, pluto doesn't get on with most planets and overshaddows with intensity.
why add what's bad about pluto to the libra? librans (two of my exes were libran women and i'm greatly attracted to librans in general) hate confrontation. they have like tons of friends. they want to create a peaceful environment and they are trying to do that by being friends with everyone and they are naturally talented about that. and i know librans, they sure like quality debates but they wont go scream your face, they will argue with you because they like to make brain exercise (like i'm doing here i guess) are we splitting hairs over words again??



this is one of the things that bothering me in astrology. why draw a house bigger than it has to be and then say it's in this house but closer to next one so it's considered there... logically, it's just in the middle of two houses or signs. maybe about to leave a house but doesn't even entered to the next one. it just doesn't make sense to me... (as i discussed in my first thread) With Equal house system this doesn't happen, you have probably chose the default on your software program that has placidus (unequal size houses)


i always read this as "unconvetional relationships" as how i'm attracted to different, wierd, crazy kind of people. but if you go get married with someone who is conventional, then it can be a divorce aspect i guess. Nothing like libran hedging ones bet's. Yes unconventional relationships, stop/start relationships and either you or the significant other will have issues to do with 'freedom and independence within a relationship' something that moon/pluto/scorpio types could not tolerate



in fact neptune is trine to ascendant, sextile to moon and again, sextile to pluto. if all these stuff shares one thing that should be being a nonconformist, an idealist.

It would be far simpler as has be explained to you earlier, post a chart from astro.com so we can see not only chiron, but the degrees and aspects. You can of course go into Extended chart selection and change the default to Equal house. It's free, no commitment but you do have to register with an email account.

[starlink]

2complicated, you said:

but conjunctions are supposed to be good aspects.

I am happy to see that you are coming up with your own ideas concerning your birthchart. But conjunctions can be bad or good, depending on the two planets involved. A Mars-Uranus, Pluto-Mars (you get the picture) conjunction can be very bad indeed. A Moon-Venus, Moon-Jupiter etc. can be very nice.

A Pluto-Venus conjunction however, can be very destructive . The person who has this can be extremely dominant in love relationships, asking an enormous amount of attention from the other person and very often I have seen that a partner dies. So I dont really fancy this sort of conjunction. You could also cut relationships with others , without explanation, from one moment to the other and not looking back.