Working through a natal venus pluto conjunction

sherrytatiana · #1 07-26-2009, 07:35 PM

I am fascinated by the effects pluto can have on an individual. There has been a lot of discussion on how harsh pluto aspects might manifest, but comparatively less discussion on how the issues they reflect can be resolved, leading to a life that reflects the most evolved expression of the energy of venus or any other planet that finds itself in aspect with pluto.

I happen to have a lot of pluto in my chart. Pluto in libra is conjunct mars and venus in the 12th house, close to the ascendant and in aspect to lots of my planets. This manifests as strong, often overpowering relationships which are more like obsessions. The relationships are dominating but do not ever fully manifest themselves (owing to the idealistic quality of libra?). Either they are never consummated, are affairs, or are just intense attractions (either my attraction to another or vice versa) which never become relationships. It's all getting a little annoying for me, and I am wondering how such an intense pluto presence can be worked through so that it can have a more comfortable or at least a more fulfilling expression. Any ideas?

http://www.astro.com/cgi/chart.cgi?;...rN-u1248634055

sherrytatiana · #2 07-26-2009, 07:56 PM

...or maybe I'm doomed. I should add that there doesn't seem to be much of a pattern in how these relationships occur. It's pretty much one of each of the types I've described. On that note, do I have to experience a bunch of these types of power imbalances within relationships before integrating my imagined ideal into myself and then eventually having a 'normal' relationship? I dunno... Any ideas?

R4VEN · #3 07-29-2009, 08:35 AM

sherrytatiana, perhaps you should read this first. I think it's pretty important in the grand scheme of your chart.

http://www.astrologyweekly.com/astro...unct-venus.php

Whilst not necessarily a doomed placement, Pluto-Venus conjunction can be difficult to grasp when in the 12th house. In this house it is quite illusionary, where you see the ideal partner in another, only to have it evaporate when you try to get hold of it. It is very intense, and can even overshadow almost all that the rest of your chart offers.
[I know a man in his 50's with Pluto-Venus conj - don't know what house - and due to his personality being under-developed and immature, he can only get close to quite young women, who all reject him, considering him `creepy'. The only young woman who has not (yet!!!) rejected him is his 22-yr-old daughter. He attaches himself to her, and gets overly involved with her life, and has in the past even moved (uninvited) into her house on the pretext of `protecting' her. So far she is reading this as father-love (and this seems to be her own personal illusion). Seeing them together is a strange experience, because it's obvious to observers that he views her as his girlfriend............. this is his own personal illusion in which his daughter is colluding.]

Adding to that Pluto-Venus conjunction is Chiron in the 7th house in Taurus, which may turn out to be the focal point of all the activity in your chart. Chiron in 7th is not all that easy, as relationships with partners tends to be wounding, and you can tend to attract wounded people as partners. You use the terms, `obsessive' and `overpowering' in describing your usual relationships. This is indeed the Pluto-factor, but it can also be the Chiron-factor. A 12th house Pluto-Venus would also lean towards affairs and secret liasons, where the actual relationship is more in the head or the imagination than in your real life. You could tend to building someone up in your imagination, and then when you get to the relationship-side of things, there is nothing there, or they do not return your feelings, or they are nothing like you imagined.

Your Pluto square, when it arrives in a couple of years, should provide some opportunities for adjustment to these habitual behaviours.

sherrytatiana · #4 08-02-2009, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by R4VEN

sherrytatiana, perhaps you should read this first. I think it's pretty important in the grand scheme of your chart.

http://www.astrologyweekly.com/astro...unct-venus.php

Whilst not necessarily a doomed placement, Pluto-Venus conjunction can be difficult to grasp when in the 12th house. In this house it is quite illusionary, where you see the ideal partner in another, only to have it evaporate when you try to get hold of it. It is very intense, and can even overshadow almost all that the rest of your chart offers.
[I know a man in his 50's with Pluto-Venus conj - don't know what house - and due to his personality being under-developed and immature, he can only get close to quite young women, who all reject him, considering him `creepy'. The only young woman who has not (yet!!!) rejected him is his 22-yr-old daughter. He attaches himself to her, and gets overly involved with her life, and has in the past even moved (uninvited) into her house on the pretext of `protecting' her. So far she is reading this as father-love (and this seems to be her own personal illusion). Seeing them together is a strange experience, because it's obvious to observers that he views her as his girlfriend............. this is his own personal illusion in which his daughter is colluding.]

Adding to that Pluto-Venus conjunction is Chiron in the 7th house in Taurus, which may turn out to be the focal point of all the activity in your chart. Chiron in 7th is not all that easy, as relationships with partners tends to be wounding, and you can tend to attract wounded people as partners. You use the terms, `obsessive' and `overpowering' in describing your usual relationships. This is indeed the Pluto-factor, but it can also be the Chiron-factor. A 12th house Pluto-Venus would also lean towards affairs and secret liasons, where the actual relationship is more in the head or the imagination than in your real life. You could tend to building someone up in your imagination, and then when you get to the relationship-side of things, there is nothing there, or they do not return your feelings, or they are nothing like you imagined.

Your Pluto square, when it arrives in a couple of years, should provide some opportunities for adjustment to these habitual behaviours.

Very interesting. Thanks. I should add that I have been effectively single for about 9 years. The self sufficiency mentioned in the link has been a great focus for that period of time, as I have been living all over the world, independently, and just returned 'home' a couple years ago. I would tend to believe that the action with chiron, neptune and jupiter trining my natal pluto stellium and pluto sextiling it now-ish could help out... Or is that just wishful thinking? I'm rather new at considering the effects of Chiron... as well as the remedying of any seemingly hopeless situation like the one reflected in my chart, while working with the determinism of an astrological perspective. I remain confidant, however, that it can and will be resolved.

Also, what would be the effect of an individual with natal venus conjunct my natal Chiron? Any further info about Chiron, links, etc, would be greatly appreciated!

R4VEN · #5 08-03-2009, 04:59 AM

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Originally Posted by sherrytatiana

I have been living all over the world, independently, and just returned 'home' a couple years ago.

Interesting what you say here. Also, you write `home', like home is wherever you are - which I suspect is true for you. Your Jupiter-Moon conj MC so closely would have you up and going away pretty regularly.
I suspect that the triple conjunction - Chiron/Jupiter/Neptune - in your 4th house of home/heredity/roots has drawn you `home' for the purpose of looking at who you are, where you come from, and if your original `home' has any relevance to your life now. You will be seeing this area of your life quite differently no doubt.

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Originally Posted by sherrytatiana

I would tend to believe that the action with chiron, neptune and jupiter trining my natal pluto stellium and pluto sextiling it now-ish could help out... Or is that just wishful thinking? I'm rather new at considering the effects of Chiron... as well as the remedying of any seemingly hopeless situation like the one reflected in my chart, while working with the determinism of an astrological perspective. I remain confidant, however, that it can and will be resolved.

Also, what would be the effect of an individual with natal venus conjunct my natal Chiron? Any further info about Chiron, links, etc, would be greatly appreciated!

sherryt, I don't see your chart as hopeless at all. Perhaps you have a lifetime in which you have to face some of your illusions about the love/romance thing (all hugely over-rated IMHO

!!!), and this journey is likely to be quite a long one for you, because your illusions may tend to over-power the reality of your life. Depending on how habitual/addictive a behaviour it is for you to live in your imagination and actually conduct your relationship in there will determine how easily you can modify this tendency.

And a person with natal Venus conj your natal Chiron would be quite an intense love match, but with healing opportunities - perhaps for you both.

katydid · #6 08-03-2009, 05:22 AM

And a person with natal Venus conj your natal Chiron would be quite an intense love match, but with healing opportunities - perhaps for you both.
__________ by Raven

I agree completely with what Raven said here. Having some one's Venus on your Chiron could be very soothing to your soul. Chiron holds sway over some deep wounds from the past. When someone has a conjunction there with you, it can be very intense. If someone has their mars or pluto on your Chiron, you will be feeling it, and it may hurt some, but you will be actively dealing with those painful areas. But VENUS there, now that is soothing, and comforting, and you may learn to love and accept things that you used to dislike about yourself.