Natural Loners

[Pocket Plane]

" Man is by nature a social animal, and an individual who is unsocial naturally and not accidentally is either beneath our notice or more than human. Society is something in nature that precedes the individual. Anyone who either cannot lead the common life or is so self-sufficient as not to need to, and therefore does not partake of society, is either a beast or he is a god.

-Aristotle's Politics "

I wonder by your own expertise what would indicate the possibility of a person to become a loner NOT by force, suffering or misfortune, but by choice without any apparent reason.

I would be very thankful for a chart example if possible.

[archergirl]

You'll need to distinguish between 'loner' and 'lonely'. They are quite different. I am a loner; I do not need to have other people around particularly badly, and am quite happy to spend long periods of time on my own, doing my own thing...but if I spend *too* long alone, then I get lonely. I have a 12th house Mercury, so I *need* to spend time alone. Too much noise drives me bonkers.

Are you asking about lonely people, or loners?

AG

[Pocket Plane]

Thanks for the answer, Archergirl.

I was talking about loners.

I will edit my first post to remove the mistake. Sorry about that.

[archergirl]

Thanks.

I think Saturnian types are often loners. I am quite Saturnian: Aquarius rising, 3rd house Saturn (so a real need for privacy) and Capricorn Mercury 12th house, as noted. Solitude is my friend. I'm quite happy to 'perform' in public, but my internal privacy is most precious, and closely guarded. I also have Neptune on the Midheaven in Scorpio, so even my 'public' persona is private.

There must be other aspects as well, but 12th house planets tend to 'hide' themselves.

AG

[aquarius7000]

Here's another 'loner', though generally gregarious by nature and one that loves discussing things with others, but am not fond of crowds and can keep myself company for quite some time. I have an 11th-house Saturn opposing my 5th-house Moon, which again is also ruled by Saturn through Cap. I have to keep a check on myself, though, that I do not cut myself out of active society (social life) completely and bury myself in my own world of books and computer, etc, which then can make me a bit depressed and lonely. Going by traditional Astrology, my Sun & Merc are also ruled by Saturn, this time through Aqua (actually a team & community player, but also detached in its manner). I also have quite a well-networked Pluto in my chart. What makes me a bit talkative, on the other hand, and one to love stimulating discussions is not just the Aqua Merc, but also a jumpy 3rd-house Uranus plus Libra on the 3rd, so balance is important for me.

AQ7

PS: My chart is on my personal page here at AW, if it helps.

[dreamtimez]

Another loner personal planets in 12th house. I need a lot of time alone ... I have my family, friends, my job and I give them 100%. But I need my own time too !

[natasa812]

Another 12th ruled by Saturn (and 11th of friendship) - Saturn is in my 3rd and retro. 3rd is ruled by Venus, but Venus is in Capricorn - not a very friendly place - distant approach is a better explanation...

I have Sun, Jupiter and Mercury in conj. with MC - all in Sagittarius - so, occcasionally, I acctually ``shine`` in public - but then, I come back to my PRIVACYYYYY!!! Which is ``screaming`` for her right to be private indeed...

That Saturn squares Moon so, even a try to make me ``emotional`` and ``moved`` about those issues never works... I respect other peoples privacy - which includes that I demand the same for me... I am trying to corect this because to ``demand`` something sometimes is useless... showing understanding is better...

So yes, I am a loner - and I don`t feel lonely - I always have things to do but we have to look at other aspects of a chart - like Mars in 1st - energy to spend (at least)... It is like an engine that can never stop.
Second, as a Sagittarius, if I don`t have anything else to do, I exercise, do quick walking, move most of the time...

By the way, I also read that book and I was lucky enough in my life to learn greek and to read it as it was written originaly...

Here is my chart:



As a conclusion, I don`t want this to sound somehow unkind to others but my personal opinion is that we, so called ``loners`` do know how our own time is important and as follows, we respect more other peoples needs and privacy - and usually, we are respected and loved for this...

[starlink]

And here is yet another loner! I have Moon in the 12th house and in a sign which likes to hide under a rock: Scorpio. I just LOVE to be on my own, doing my own thing and indeed, like AG says, at a certain point I want to be in the busy world/crowd again but never for long. Your partner (and others as well of course) needs to understand that (and mine does thank God) so we are fine.

[Cypocryphy]

Originally Posted by Pocket Plane

I wonder by your own expertise what would indicate the possibility of a person to become a loner NOT by force, suffering or misfortune, but by choice without any apparent reason.

I would be very thankful for a chart example if possible.

Well, on a superficial level, it would be having a badly aspected Jupiter are a very weak Jupiter. Look at the outer planets being badly aspected or badly placed because they rule the greater than self.

Now being a loner to some is quite a comfortable situation. I assume you mean in an uncomfortable sense. If intimate connections are difficult, look to the houses of friendship and marriage. Perhaps they are both empty, maybe ruled by Cancer or some such thing; it is hard to say because many factors could come into play. I would initially look to the outer-planets, however, especially Jupiter.

[Seymour]

I think I am both a Loner and Lonely...Sometimes I Like to be alone and to stay to think about my life without anyone around...But, this also turns uncomfortable sometimes and I fell a bit too Lonely ... My Moon is in 12th house...My Saturn Is in 10th near the MC Opposed to Mars , Jupiter and Venus all near to the IC ! My poor saturn

[Arian Maverick]

Well, on a superficial level, it would be having a badly aspected Jupiter are a very weak Jupiter. Look at the outer planets being badly aspected or badly placed because they rule the greater than self.

I believe you, Cypocryphy, but I'm interested in your reasoning for using Jupiter to indicate "loners" because it's not an obvious planetary significator. Does least-aspected Jupiter in Gemini in the cadent third house count as "very weak?"

A more general question is how many square or opposition aspects must a planet receive to be "badly aspected"? Is one sufficient, if the orb is very tight and the aspects involves a personal planet?

Arian Maverick

[Cypocryphy]

Hello A.M.!

Originally Posted by Arian Maverick

I believe you, Cypocryphy, but I'm interested in your reasoning for using Jupiter to indicate "loners" because it's not an obvious planetary significator. Does least-aspected Jupiter in Gemini in the cadent third house count as "very weak?"

Certainly. A Jupiter without any aspects or non-significant minor ones would certainly signify an inability to connect with people or lack the desire to do so. This would be a person into Self. Because with Jupiter, we have the energy that compels a person to contribute to society, above and foremost, and if this energy cannot be linked to the person, he or she will find themselves apathetic toward society and social situations.

In regard to Gemini Jupiter, its forces are weakened by the sign but only so much so that Jupiter's energies are scattered as opposed to stunted. In this sense, so its possible a person to not contribute much to society. But this quality is lessened by its house placement, which directs the energies into writing and communication and the sharing of which with one's fellow human beings. (You would fit this placement very well, and I believe you have this astrological situation. )

A more general question is how many square or opposition aspects must a planet receive to be "badly aspected"? Is one sufficient, if the orb is very tight and the aspects involves a personal planet?

This is hard to say, and a level of intuitiveness comes into play. Of course I would look to Pluto first and foremost. We are more than our astrological constructs, and aside from free will, past incarnations affect the emotional body of our personality and thus must be taken into account. This, then, complicates a true understanding of self. You might not subscribe to the same mode of belief, but it is well know that astrology cannot explain all, so the answer may not be withing that school of understanding.

But then loneliness is a complicated thing. The equivalent is going to the doctor and saying one has a headache. The number of possibilities are immense, e.g., one hit one's head on a coffee table, one has a cancerous growth causing pressure in the skull, one has sinus buildup, etc.

So in one situation, Mars, that which defines ego, could be weak, which would cause a person to not have a strong sense of self and feel threatened in crowds or groups, therefore hiding from them. There could be many things for this, so it is hard to say.

I hope my take on it was helpful.

All the best A.M.!!!
C.

Arian Maverick[/QUOTE]

[hiimnotcool]

Well, I was diagnosed with Avoidant Personality disorder and really like being alone. Whenever people are around for long periods I need to get away from them. I need solitude like another person need's food and water. Don't really know what would make me that way astrologically, and don't really care either. You can find something in your chart to fit any thing you want it to. I don't know. I think being a loner is ALOT different then just wanting to be alone though. I'm a social beast for sure.

[R4VEN]

Originally Posted by Cypocryphy

Certainly. A Jupiter without any aspects or non-significant minor ones would certainly signify an inability to connect with people or lack the desire to do so. This would be a person into Self. Because with Jupiter, we have the energy that compels a person to contribute to society, above and foremost, and if this energy cannot be linked to the person, he or she will find themselves apathetic toward society and social situations.

Sorry, Cypocryphy, can't agree with you there.

I have Jupiter nicely placed in Sag in 11th, and I can be all sociable and chatty, but I prefer my own company - were I to have a choice, that is.

I put it down to Capricorn Rising, Saturn in Leo in 8th, and more importantly, Chiron in 10th. People have mentioned Chiron on 12th, and the only person I know well who has Chiron in 12th is hugely sociable, in fact, quite dependent upon her social group, and not at all a loner.
On the other hand, Chiron in 10th is found in the charts of religious types - nuns, priests, mystics, and those who choose monastic or cloistered life. Whilst I am not at all a religious type, I can very much relate to the desire to find a mountain and sit on it for a while.

And I can't agree with you that the desire to be alone precludes a person from contributing to society, or that a loner is `apathetic'. Far from it. Many artists, mystics, musicians, thinkers, philosophers - just to name some - are by nature loners.