Is Western/Eastern Astrology Flawed?

[Cypocryphy]

Good morning/afternoon/evening:

I have been delving into astrology off and on for the past decade and more, always turning away from it when I would again realize how flawed it is. Astrology has been a massive disappointment for me because of my knowing its potential to not only benefit my life but as well those of others. How have I come to the conclusion that astrology is flawed, you may ask. I have come to this conclusion in increments, small discrepancies in interpretations that, over the years, have amassed to an almost utter failure of Western & Eastern astrology. My own natal chart has many discrepancies, saying I am hot and cold, extreme and moderate, etc. But I would like to provide a better example of discrepancies, one that could cause a complete dismantling and restructuring of astrology all together—which is my hope. An alternative I would be happy with is a simply explanation of the example I am about to present. Before I present it, however, certain things must be taken on faith value and that is Edgar Cayce and his information. If within you framework of reality you consider his clairvoyance valid, then we can proceed with this argument.

My example is this: Edgar Cayce gave a time and small interpretation of his own natal chart, and if what he said is correct, and I believe it is, then there are some major discrepancies in astrology today, the most important being that the true alignment of the planets is unknown to present day astrologers.

Here is what Mr. Cayce said while in trance:

As in this body here [Edgar Cayce] born March 18, 1877, three minutes past three o'clock, with the Sun descending, on the wane, the Moon in the opposite side of the Earth (old moon), Uranus at its zenith, hence the body is ultra in its actions. Neptune closest in conjunction or Neptune as it is termed in Astrological survey, in the ninth house; Jupiter, the higher force of all the planets, save the Sun, in descendency, Venus just coming to horizon, Mars just set, Saturn - to whom all insufficient matter is cast at its decay - opposite the face of the Moon. Hence the inclination as the body is controlled by the Astrological survey at the time of the birth of this body, either (no middle ground for this body) very good or very bad, very religious or very wicked, very rich or always losing, very much in love or hate, very much given to good works or always doing wrong, governed entirely by the will of the body. Will is the educational factor of the body; thence the patience, the persistence, the ever faithful attention that should be given to the child when it is young.

Here is what this chart would look like. Inferences will have to be made of course:



Here is how many Internet sites portray his natal chart:



If what Mr. Cayce said is correct, then it appears to me that planetary alignments with the Earth are off by 70 years or more, maybe much more.

(I would continue with this argument but have not slept for almost a day, so I will leave it as is.)

I am very much interested it what you have to say about this.

Thank you very much!
C.

[waybread]

Unfortunately there is no way to test Edgar Cayce's birth chart reading, other than through conventional chart-casting. Is it possible that the sleeping seer was simply incorrect, once in a while?

Astrology is a great work of synthesis. Consequently applying a lot of "cookbook" material to one's chart is liable to give a lot of contradictions. Think about it! If two planets are opposed, a cookbook delineation of their signs and houses would naturally yield contradictory readings.

So cookbooks are an important place to start, but at some point, astrologers need to move beyond them in order to synthesize the chart as a whole. Generally then the contradictions will either go away, or else they can be seen as part of a big challenge facing an individual who is torn in different directions.

[Cypocryphy]

Hello Waybread!

Originally Posted by waybread

Unfortunately there is no way to test Edgar Cayce's birth chart reading, other than through conventional chart-casting. Is it possible that the sleeping seer was simply incorrect, once in a while?

Yes, this has been a concern of mine. Nevertheless, I was recently unemployed for sometime and took the opportunity to mentally devour and assortment of literature, mainly those of Edgar Cayce and whatnot. Too often the situation was one where a person would disbelieve Mr. Cayce, only to discover, much to his or her detriment, the validity and utility of Cayce's insights. Granted his foretelling of the future sometimes did not come to pass, but he repeatedly attested to the pliancy of the future because of each one of ours use of free will. Nothing in Heaven nor Earth can supersede our free will.

Astrology is a great work of synthesis. Consequently applying a lot of "cookbook" material to one's chart is liable to give a lot of contradictions. Think about it! If two planets are opposed, a cookbook delineation of their signs and houses would naturally yield contradictory readings.

Yes. This is what I am trying to accomplish. Maybe in ten years time, I'm thinking. *smile* But before I pursue astrology on a serious level, I must know that the calculations are accurate and that there is a true understanding of the meanings of the planets.

So cookbooks are an important place to start, but at some point, astrologers need to move beyond them in order to synthesize the chart as a whole. Generally then the contradictions will either go away, or else they can be seen as part of a big challenge facing an individual who is torn in different directions.

Absolutley!! And I must say, thank you very much for replying. I am excited to have found this forum and to be able to converse with individuals as yourself. I greatly appreciate your reply.

All the best!
C.

[FedorFan]

Astrology is most definitely flawed since it is based on the seasons, yet we still have astrologers and computers basing it on the actual placement of the constellations. There's a reason why we use the tropical zodiac over the sidereal and it's not just for fun.

This only affects the southern hemisphere, but it is bothersome.

[Cypocryphy]

Originally Posted by FedorFan

Astrology is most definitely flawed since it is based on the seasons, yet we still have astrologers and computers basing it on the actual placement of the constellations. There's a reason why we use the tropical zodiac over the sidereal and it's not just for fun.

This only affects the southern hemisphere, but it is bothersome.

Hello FedorFan!

I must apologize fore my denseness, but what do you mean by this?

[Cypocryphy]

I was wondering if someone could tell me whether I have written out Mr. Cayces chart correctly, if I have transcribed his information as he gave it as best as possible.

Thank you,
C.

[FedorFan]

Originally Posted by Cypocryphy

Hello FedorFan!

I must apologize fore my denseness, but what do you mean by this?

If you were born say September 30th 1984 in Brazil (below the equator), you would be an Aries sun not a Libra.

This is because the spring starts in September not March in the Southern Hemisphere.