Is Barack Obama's birth time correct as publicized?

[Awakened_Pisces]

It's been a widely known and widely contested, "conspiracy", is Barack Obama born in the United States? Is it his true birth-time? No one knew, or did they?

Astrologers during the elections ironically had come up with a hypothetical time that proved correct in testing it: 1:05 P.M. The 1:05 chart highly indicates the real Barack Obama. Obama's chart shows the personality that is slowly being revealed: His strong sense of self.

In the chart that I link you too, let us first start off by acknoledging the following:

2 Grand Trines(1 earth, 1 water trine). '
A Grand Fixed Cross

So there's obviously alot of energy and alot to break down. Not to mention the other individual trines/sextiles. When we unravel the puzzle, just forget the Democratic-Republican paradigm. Because if I've read it right, we're in for some ****.

The first trine involving Saturn-Moon-Mars. With Saturn on the axis of the 2nd house of values, poessesesions, and Moon(Feelings) on the axis of the DSC(Extreme inner) And Mars(Action). It's clear that this is a grand earth trine motivated for power and authority. And sure enough, in Barack Obama's youth. He desired to be president, he just didn't know "where".

Then there's the placements of Scorpio, Venus and others to worry about.

Venus in Cancer/8th house:

Venus in Cancer would normally to me, imply a loving, caring nature. A nuturer of sorts, but even more so with Venus inside of it. In the 8th house of the voodoo and the taboo worries me to a great extent. Could this be a strong love, of what?

When you add Chiron aspects.(Such as in the chart I posted) you get the whole picture. Venus is in the Water Grand trine. With Neptune and Chiron.

Chiron is inside the 4th house of home/inner feelings, obviously and easily referring to his trouble with parents/grandparents alike. Along with Neptune. This is definately attempting to fix the wound left, by loving one's self.

This love however, goes drastically too far. As proven when Pluto is making a perfect opposition to the Pisces Chiron. Obama's strong sense of self may destroy him.

Introducing his Grand Cross and T-Square:

Obama has a T-Square of Sun, Neptune, Jupiter.

In short, the ego(Sun) and the ideal(Neptune) oppose the idea of caring or helping another(Jupiter) relative(3rd house).

The Fixed Grand Cross:

Involving Mercury(Leo), Neptune(Scorpio), Jupiter(Aquarius). Mercury itself also opposes Saturn in Capricorn. The message here, is that Obama has strong desires.

Plus, if we notice in the Solar Arcs. Mars is exactly conjunct Neptune in the 12th, and Venus is conjunct the MH. Perfectly suitable for a guy who just won the White House. Try finding that on the 7:24 or 6:30 charts.

[chart is about a celebrity so moved to Celebrity Astrology - deleted attacking language: please only post astrological observations in as fair a way as possible and do not use astrology to attack others who you disagree with - Moderator]

[gaer]

CP,

Even if we accept the alternate Kenya chart as correct, this is questionable:

Originally Posted by Confusedpisces

Obama has a T-Square of Sun, Neptune, Jupiter.

Sun/Jupiter is is almost 11 degrees orb. Even Neptune/Jupiter is close to 8 degrees. I don't see a grand cross. Where you are getting that from?

Involving Mercury(Leo), Neptune(Scorpio), Jupiter(Aquarius). Mercury itself also opposes Saturn in Capricorn.

Mercury: 0Leo46
Jupiter: 0Aqu58 Rx
Saturn: 25Cap23 Rx
Neptune: 8Sco36

I see Mercury strongly opposed to Jupiter, and certainly you can add Saturn into the mix OR Neptune, but you can't use both Saturn and Neptune in the same pattern. Are you doing that?

I'm not introducing any of my opinions into this public thread. I just hope we can keep this about astrology.

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[rahu]

rock fish a photo copy of obama's birth certicate is posted on line.if you believe that it is fraudelent then you have a place to start your challenge.a president must be born inth e usa.don't you think that if this provision was vilolated by obama's birth in another country,that this would be brought out.also his mother was american so it is moot what his father was.and by the way senator mccain was not born in the us either,he was born in the panama canal zone.but one can not rule out this is all a conspiracy to put obama in the persidency.

rahu

[RockFish]

Rahu, I don't believe one should stop oneself from investigating if there is suspicion. I myself suspect the whole story, altho I haven't got the tools and time to investigate any further.

Anyways, my only points here in this thread are:

1- Covering the subject with adjectives, aprovingly or not, is not going to turn a claim into reality, and doesn't constitute astrology. It's guesstrology, which is fun, but not exactly the last word on the matter.

2- A suspicious birth data is a suspicious birth data. Of course one can work with another chart if they feel so inclined, and we can all have our opinions about it, but what one "thinks" does not prove a chart to be false or true. There are tools to rectify and test charts. I don't know how to use them, therefore I won't make any claim that I know what is the true birth data. But if someone ever posts a study about any of the birth charts, either proving one or disproving the other, a study that does NOT indulge in opinions or "psychological analysis", but in data, facts, events, I will be very curious and interested to read.

[Awakened_Pisces]

It doesn't revolve around the Sun and Jupiter.

The T-Square revolves around:

Mercury(in 9th), Neptune(in 12th) and Jupiter(3rd house of siblings). It is this negative configuration that I believe is why Barack Obama has not talked about yet alone seen his "white grandmother" and why he did not help his brother. It simply doesn't confirm to his wishes.

Neptune does have an 8 degree orb, but considering Jupiter as one of the faster planets and Neptune as one of the slower ones, it most definately applies.


I was wrong indeed, it's just a Sun-Neptune square.

But all indications show that the 1:05 time is correct. Venus perfectly hitting the MC, and Mars(The arc of his Earth Grand Trine) conjuncting Neptune(Ideals). Shows that he has succeeded.

[Vicious]

I don't know why people say that 1:05 pm chart "works." The later, 7:24 pm chart works too IMO. Anyway, this doesn't matter too much as we can tell a lot from the planetary configs which are insensitive to the B.T.

I think his transits in 2010-2011 are going to be pretty harsh as Saturn hits all 3 planets of his Neptune t-square.

[Awakened_Pisces]

You don't get the Water Grand Trine or for that matter the Earth Grand Trine in the 7:24 chart. What you get, more or less is the chart of some charitable worker(6th-12th house activity)

The Grand Trine of Water, enables one to be calm, to have feelings, emotions. In this case, Obama was a very calm person in the face of Hillary Clinton in the primaries. Also, Obama seemed to be a very powerful man, managing a flawless campaign. Earth=Stable.

The 1:05 chart is far more politically sensible then the 7:24 chart. I look at the 7:24 chart and go "meh".

[LionKing]

President Obama was born in Mombasa Africa. Not Hawaii.
V/r LionKing (the guy who met him in an airport in 92)

[RockFish]

Actually he was born in Mogadishu, Somalia, according to the cousin's father of Mogadishu's Senate's cooker's brother-in-law.

[RockFish]

All jokes aside,

In my opinion (grain of salt please and feel free to disagree), the real chart simply can't be known, unless some other info is made public confirming or dismissing the first one.

The "official" chart has been subject to much controversy, enough to raise suspicions.

Another chart cast for Kenya would be useless; if we consider the birth data he gives is false, then anything is possible. The day might be wrong, the hour, everything. Casting a chart for same day and hour but in Mombasa would be less than satisfatory.

My opinion is that the real chart can't be known and we have to live with this, or ride the "official" chart but knowing that it is under suspicion.