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Old 03-06-2009, 09:40 AM
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Question is marriage anywhere in my chart?

Hi! I am a lonely scorpio... I seem to choose very distant men ( and females aswell I do this in friendships too) or no one...
But I want a partnership!! And babies!! Am I ever going to manage??
here's my chart, falling off at the bottom is saturn transiting..
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Old 03-06-2009, 10:04 AM
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Re: is marriage anywhere in my chart?

having jupiter in the 7th on the DC (marriage partner) and the north node also in the 7th sounds positive. now that transiting pluto is in your 7th house things should start intensifying in the relationship department. most especially when transiting pluto in conjuncting your jupiter for the next couple of years. this can be a very successful time.
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Old 03-06-2009, 10:37 AM
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Re: is marriage anywhere in my chart?

hah...that sounds reassuring...thank you!!
I'll look around haha..
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Old 03-06-2009, 01:38 PM
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having jupiter in the 7th on the DC (marriage partner) and the north node also in the 7th sounds positive. now that transiting pluto is in your 7th house things should start intensifying in the relationship department. most especially when transiting pluto in conjuncting your jupiter for the next couple of years. this can be a very successful time.
At first glance, that might appear so. Let's take a deeper look, together.

Although the 7th House of Partnerships has Jupiter in it, and Jupiter is the planet of good luck, Jupiter here is in the sign of Capricorn, which means he is depressed. So that is not nearly as good as it looks. Jupiter was transiting through Capricorn all of last year, so if no big oppurtunity's arrived and slapped you in the face (or kissed), then that stinks. Last year a long term friend or partner could have been discovered, especially earlier in the year, when Jupiter was opposite your Ascendant.

Yes, the North Node is in the 7th. The Nodes are Karmic. They represent what we must do in order to fullfill the Soul's longing. Yes, this person needs a relationship, and to establish themselves in their career at the same time. That doesn't mean its automatically going to happen or anything like that, because we must break away from the South Node and our soul's habits that have been carried with us from past lives, or something like that. This is easier if planets are on the NN, because they pull the future forward, in a sense. The ruler of the South Node, and its aspects must also be considered.

The South Node being in the 1st points to the fact that the native is too attached to their negative emotions and habits, especially reacting to things, and feeling insecure. Abrubtly stated, this results in a loss of sanity and a disconnectioning from a happy world. So, the key to relationships for this person, at this levels, is mastering the critical thoughts and feelings that arrise at any given moment. Which, admittedly, is quite a task. Their source must be uprooted.

Here's the deepest part now. The ruler of the 7th, is Saturn. And Saturn is found in the 12th house, of hidden enemies and self undoing. Thus, she attracts loner types because this is how she understand relationships. She attracts men who are very witty and can talk the talk but not walk the walk; for beneath the surface (Gemini) they have psychological problems and have been in hospitals, counselling and even jail (12th). Plus, Gemini is the detriment of Jupiter, so she is very upset about having to pull these guys out of their sorrows. Is that even possible?

In a past life, maybe it was you who was imprisoned somehow, and now these people are recalling your memory of those times. Thus, how you treat them is how you treat yourself. And since time and space are actually vertical (instead of horozontal) to spiritual beings, when you forgive and love these people more than you accuse and hate them, you are doing your duty as a spiritual being in the 3rd dimension. And the past is erased by your Higher Self Who Is in the 6th density. One step closer to home! At 7th density/dimension, the souls' entire existance is seen as just a instant. Which is why the moment is so cruicial to spiritual well being, right now.

Also, since the ruler of Saturn here is Mercury, and Mercury also disposits the Moon in Virgo, which rules the chart -- the emotional attachment to these people is very deep, karmic and a life task. It is likely she would find her lover at a hospital or AA, or some place.

Finally, in her chart Mercury is in it's detriment, in the house of illness, conjunct Neptune, planet of spirituality, illusion and drugs. So, she has a hard time relating to people, although she doesn't realize the extent to which this is true, because of the 12th house Saturn constantly denying awareness. Mental grounding is needed. Mercury and Neptune together in Sagittarius means you are more able to astral travel than have a traditional conversation. Meditation and channeling would be excellent recommendations for you. The 6th house is very aware of duty, so you must use your Mercury and Neptune with purpose.

I suggest you write yourself letters constantly -- as an excerise of the mind. And then I want you to actually burn them to ashes if they are not disirable. This is because Sagittarius is a Fire Sign. Warning: Only focus on yourself, however.

Venus is conjunct Pluto and Mars is conjunct Uranus, in Libra, an active, Cardinal, and Social, air sign. There is a square to Jupiter involved. The sensual pleasures are in overdrive, and since Taurus (we look to Taurus because he also is the Sign of Venus) rules your 11th, you party with friends constantly and they are your source of undoing, although you think that going to excesses is fun. You are misusing Venus and Jupiter. The amount of energy is incredibly high, and without a proper channel, it is likely she is a bit corpulant. Dispite everything that has already been discussed previously, overload and overkill in the social realm is her theme, because Venus and Mars are basically Hayz and rule her chart and Mars and Venus are personal planets. And until she gains control of her personal excesses which lead to ill health, all of what was written in the previous paragraphs will be hard to touch upon, because they are outside the sphere of Venus and Mars, a level deeper in the psyche and spirit.

Aspect patterns are important as well. She has a "bucket chart," with the "handle of the bucket" being the ruler of the 7th house. Saturn is in Gemini in the 12th. This could be the biggest factor in your difficulties in attracting these loners, because aspect patterns represent patterns in life.

Chiron on the MC means that assume a position of suffering in life, and bring about healing everywhere you go, inspiring people to be better themselves. This is obvious when you say "I am a lonely Scorpio." Chiron is the wounded healer, so realize how your lonlieness is bringing about your fullfillment in some way.

Direct your love and healing energy inward, instead of outward. Everything is within you, but you have to dig for it. That is the key to your chart.

Jupiter is now transiting your 8th, which is the natural house of Scorpio. This is a great year to be reborn. Do it.

Beloved One, I wish you all the luck in the universe. This reality is an illusion, and you can overcome anything, because its a figment of your imagination. In truth, you are divine light, divine spirit, forever happy and free. Choosing your Higher Self, moment to moment, is literally everything.

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Old 03-06-2009, 01:47 PM
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Re: is marriage anywhere in my chart?

You're far more of a Libra than a Scorpio. I could list a long list of reasons why, but it would be better for you to figure out. Sect is the key, that's a strong clue.

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You're far more of a Libra than a Scorpio. I could list a long list of reasons why, but it would be better for you to figure out. Sect is the key, that's a strong clue.

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What is sect and why is she more Libra? is it because most of planets are there?
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Re: is marriage anywhere in my chart?

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At first glance, that might appear so. Let's take a deeper look, together.

Although the 7th House has Jupiter in it, and Jupiter is the planet of good luck, Jupiter here is in the sign of Capricorn, which means he is depressed. Jupiter was transiting through Capricorn all of last year, so if no big oppurtunity's arrived and slapped you in the face (or kissed), then that stinks. Last year a long term friend or partner could have been discovered, especially earlier in the year, when Jupiter was opposite your Ascendant.
you're keeping me up late in my part of the world Joseph.

i'm not real keen on saying a planet is depressed just because it is in a particular sun sign. what does jupiter in constellation sagittarius mean?
i think jupiter is well placed being and a star of venus nature, Kaus Australis (27')

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you're keeping me up late in my part of the world Joseph.

i'm not real keen on saying a planet is depressed just because it is in a particular sun sign. what does jupiter in constellation sagittarius mean?
i think jupiter is well placed being and a star of venus nature, Kaus Australis (27')


Jupiter is in its Joy in Sagittarius and Detriment in Gemini, it's opposite sign.

His Depression, or Fall, is Capricorn. In the opposite sign, he is Exhaulted in Cancer, especially at 15 degrees.

Jupiter also rules Pisces.

When a planet is in its fall or detriment, it cannot act fully on the its natural qualities. For example, Capricorn is ruled by Saturn, the planet of limitation. Jupiter is the planet of expansion. Therefor the ancients ruled that having Jupiter in the sign of Saturn is not positive.

The constellations are used only in the Sideral Zodiac. I use the tropical zodiac, so the constellations aren't actually in alignment. This is not very important until later in one's studies, perhaps.

Jupiter is well placed in the 7th, yes, because it is Angular. We always want the Beneficts to be Angular, and she has both Venus and Jupiter Angular, which is very good.

However Venus forms a dexter square to Jupiter. Yikes.

Jupiter in Sagittarius gives the native the best ability to expand his awareness of social consciousness through the ability to see the truth and bring good energy into his affairs. It is a wonderful placement.

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Jupiter is in its Joy in Sagittarius and Detriment in Gemini, it's opposite sign.

His Depression, or Fall, is Capricorn. In the opposite sign, he is Exhaulted in Cancer, especially at 15 degrees.

Jupiter also rules Pisces.

When a planet is in its fall or detriment, it cannot act fully on the its natural qualities. For example, Capricorn is ruled by Saturn, the planet of limitation. Jupiter is the planet of expansion. Therefor the ancients ruled that having Jupiter in the sign of Saturn is not positive.

Jupiter in Sagittarius gives the native the best ability to expand his awareness of social consciousness through the ability to see the truth and bring good energy into his affairs. It is a wonderful placement.
I have to agree with Jozeph. We can not look only for the placement but to the chart as a whole. Aspects are important also and the placement of the ruler. For example, the ruler of 7th is Saturn and Saturn is in 12th - telling us everything our friend Jozeph told us above. A difficult placement indeed.
And I have my Jupiter in Sagittarius and I can certainly understand what is he talking about. You just simply can not miss it in your life. If nothing else, it gives you positive and optimistic aura and all the people that see me for the first time are telling me that there is a strange positive radiance they feel comming from inside of me.
We just have to ``follow`` the ruler of the house we are interested in and see where is it placed in the chart and how it is aspected.
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