Dissatisfaction With One's Natal Chart

[Arian Maverick]

I am not sure if this is the best board to introduce a topic containing psychological undertones, but since I intend this new thread to be astrologically-based with the central focus on natal charts, I thought that this location could still be appropriate.

Anyway, I am aware that everyone has experienced insecurities with themselves from time to time, but I am curious as to how these insecurities may manifest in the lives of individuals such as ourselves who have developed an interest in astrology. Have you noticed that the more extensively you study your natal chart and that of other people you know, the less satisfied you often become with yourself? Do you find that you often become jealous of other people's ascendants or planetary locations, or feel that the Universe somehow made a mistake? I certainly have, and I feel that my life has assumed a certain form of stagnation because of these feelings...

So, this thread is open to anyone who wishes to discuss these matters further and find healing through the gift of this community.

Arian Maverick

[wilsontc]

Arian,

This type of longing is a common experience when learning astrology (at least, it was common for me! ): "Why wasn't I born under a different star, sign, aspect, etc. so things would be BETTER?" After thinking this for awhile, we realize that all this is an EXCUSE for why we aren't trying to better ourselves RIGHT NOW! What do we want to do? What would be "better"? What opportunities do we feel we are "missing"? Once we find answers to these questions we can work at DOING those things we want to do...instead of blaming our chart for our lack of opportunities!

Experientially,

Tim

[Arian Maverick]

Wow, and here I thought anyone would be content to have such a strong Virgo emphasis in their chart...intelligence and practicality to the hilt!

It's certainly better than individualistic, competitive, bold, brazen, immature, impatient, peevish, self-centered, enthusiastic Aries! :roll:

Arian Maverick

[wilsontc]

Arian,

This reminds me of a saying...something about the "grass" and "always being greener"...

Greenly,

Tim

[Summery Joy]

AM,

I know what you mean. Sometimes I hate being stuck with my Taurus Moon that suffers a lot of insecurities and cannot let go of anything. I also dislike it when my friends accuse me of not sharing my feelings.. I think to myself "that stupid 12th house Moon"...

I've occasionally caught myself envying those people who have all their personal planets in air and fire signs. They don't get too emotioally attached to stuff. They let go much easier than me. There's this friend of mine who has his Moon in the 11th house. I've always envied him for the countless friends he has.

But that only happens to me when I'm down. Honestly, my Taurus Moon is very warm and romantic. So what if I cannot let go easily? It's party because of its influence on me that my loved ones cannot let go of me 8) So I'm all too mysterious for some of my friends? Well, if they wanna know me, they'd better be patient. Meanwhile, I will enjoy my psychic abilities that come with that 12th house placement. Plus, my progressed moon is currently in the 11th house, so.. kewl! :mrgreen:

I know what you mean. But Tim is right. It's alright to accept what you cannot change. But it's up to you to decide to what extent you will change what you cannot accept. :idea:

[Arian Maverick]

It's alright to accept what you cannot change. But it's up to you to decide to what extent you will change what you cannot accept.

Nice quote! I'll try to keep this in mind every time I curse my Aries stellium, which is practically on a daily basis :roll:

I am still trying to figure out the karma I'm dealing with in this lifetime with such a heavy Arian influence in my chart. Are the planets a reflection of who I truly am, or do they simply indicate a lesson I must learn? Also, what is the significance of having the three major indicators of personality--the Sun, Moon, and Ascendant--in the same sign?

Arian Maverick

[Missa]

I've had problems accepting the virgo-influence on my chart. When I found out I had been interpreting a wrong chart (this is also familiar to you? ) I was nearly praying that my real ascendant would be leo, and when I saw it was 4° 27' virgo instead I thought "****!". I think a part of the problem is the fact how virgos are described, not the virgo itself. But I try to keep telling myself it's for your own good, and in many ways I realize my virgo-rising (...and Mars and Venus...) has also saved me from a lot. I could have gotten more... ruined. There certainly have been opportunities for it. And I like the being the Mercurian child after all. I just wish I'd have more fire on my chart (want to lend me some, Arian Maverick?), it would be useful in my career.

[Arian Maverick]

Sure, I'll lend you some fire! Just try not to get burned when taking it from me

This is so ironic...I desperately want to be a Virgo, and you want some of my fiery Aries energy. As Tim noted, the grass is always greener on the other side!

Arian Maverick

[Manic_Monday]

Originally Posted by Arian Maverick

Sure, I'll lend you some fire! Just try not to get burned when taking it from me

This is so ironic...I desperately want to be a Virgo, and you want some of my fiery Aries energy. As Tim noted, the grass is always greener on the other side!

Arian Maverick

Ironic indeed! I'm a Virgo with Mercury in Virgo, and I'd love to be less shy and passive. I'd love to have some Aries in my chart.

[EvilPixyScorp]

Ahh Yes...I do that all the time....I wish I had no Scorpio!!!
I'm so jealous of airy heavy charts, or earth better placed.
They don't get bogged down in grudges or weird obsessions that seem to run me.

Saving grace is ... then they progress and you get the chance to feel like a "Leo Moon" or more a 7th house heavy person for a few months, or year.
Even a good transit can alter your personality this way.
Neptune influence is the most annoying to me...Ugh, I swear
even the most intelligent person comes off as "ditzy" when it conjuncts Sun/Merc or ASC.
Scorp Sun thinks, "haha thats fine, I can move about my secret plans better when underestimated."

[Lunar Pisces]

I can't say I've ever envied any partcular chart or aspect in another person's chart, but I do have an ego (heh, 10th house Sun). At times I wish my chart was more instantaneously impressive at first sight. LOL. Granted I have a whopper of a chart, and one I like a lot (ego again - 10th house Suns tend to have rather high opinions of themselves, regardless to how much they let it show ).

Interestingly, I had at first a mix-up with my time of birth, like AM did, and I had thought I had a Libra ASC - a more "attractive" ASC than my actual Virgo one. I liked the idea of having a Libra ASC, even though I knew it was wrong in my gut (I'm so not a Libra ASC it's not even funny). That also put my Sun in the 9th, which was another idea I liked. So when I found out I was in fact a persnickity, peevish Virgo ASC with a self-important, pompous 10th house Sun, as opposed to be a socialable, attractive Libra ASC with a convivial, happy-go-lucky 9th house Sun, yeah, well, it took so time for me to accept, even though I knew it was right. But still, I think partly I wish I had a "friendly"chart - my chart's pretty powerful, but it ways that tend to p*ss off other people, and that does get tiring. I admit I do have a 10th house desire to rule the world...it's just it's probably be a lot easily to acchieve if i had a Libra ASC. :P :P :P

[bellabixler]

Originally Posted by Arian Maverick

I am not sure if this is the best board to introduce a topic containing psychological undertones, but since I intend this new thread to be astrologically-based with the central focus on natal charts, I thought that this location could still be appropriate.

Anyway, I am aware that everyone has experienced insecurities with themselves from time to time, but I am curious as to how these insecurities may manifest in the lives of individuals such as ourselves who have developed an interest in astrology. Have you noticed that the more extensively you study your natal chart and that of other people you know, the less satisfied you often become with yourself? Do you find that you often become jealous of other people's ascendants or planetary locations, or feel that the Universe somehow made a mistake? I certainly have, and I feel that my life has assumed a certain form of stagnation because of these feelings...

So, this thread is open to anyone who wishes to discuss these matters further and find healing through the gift of this community.

Arian Maverick

Yes! In fact, it's driving my boyfriend crazy! He has Taurus sun trine Virgo moon, with Virgo ascendant. He is totally level-headed and very likable. I'm always telling him that it is because of his sun trine moon that he is so psychologically well-balanced! He doesn't believe in astrology so he's like, "whatever".

I find myself blaming my parents a lot too for my Libra sun- Aries moon. I read somewhere that if you are born with an opposition between the two, your parents weren't totally happy when you were born; they weren't really "vibing". I know that this is the case for me because my mom got pregnant with me very shortly after meeting my father. She never truly loved him; they got married 6 weeks after I was born due to my father's urgings.

There are a number of other things in my chart that bother me, but the sun-moon opposition probably bothers me the most. And I envy people who have the trine!

[sam]

Most definitely. I am so angry at myself most of the time because of my frequent outbursts of anger and jealousy because of my various Mars squares. I have a Cappy stellium opposing Jupiter, Asc, and Chiron in Cancer and it's really a difficult placement, I think, because I am so subconsciously Jupiter-y! I cannot do anything in moderation. I have Saturn opposition Jupiter, and so there's this endless struggle to find a balance between expansion and restriction. And Jupiter in the twelfth/first and South node in Leo in the second. I can be quite arrogant and selfish and wish I could overcome that.

[sam]

Originally Posted by Arian Maverick

It's certainly better than individualistic, competitive, bold, brazen, immature, impatient, peevish, self-centered, enthusiastic Aries! :roll:

Arian Maverick

Beth, I personally think Aries people are really, really beautiful people.
If you analyze the archetype of Aries, it's really interesting.

Aries is a baby lamb, newly born into the world and full of energy and vitality and possessing a great urge to start something. It's a really sweet and beautiful symbol, because they're like a baby kitten in a sense -- playful and happy and enjoying the simple things in life that the other signs ignore.

Anyway, sorry for that. I'm letting my Cancer show. ops:

[Manic_Monday]

Originally Posted by sam

Beth, I personally think Aries people are really, really beautiful people.
If you analyze the archetype of Aries, it's really interesting.

Aries is a baby lamb, newly born into the world and full of energy and vitality and possessing a great urge to start something. It's a really sweet and beautiful symbol, because they're like a baby kitten in a sense -- playful and happy and enjoying the simple things in life that the other signs ignore.

Anyway, sorry for that. I'm letting my Cancer show. ops:

Yes. They somewhat remind me of Tarot card the Fool. Arians are really fascinating.

[laliqueviolin]

Has it ever occured to you folks out there, where the case may be... "Oh, hm, strange I don't have this problem, or this difficulty, or that inbalance anymore" ? Where we all have nearly transcended above our charts difficult aspects or even the persona people expect from us to be, behave, thought processes, etc.,., that we no longer consider to study our charts..? Just wondering.. You can't stay one person forever.. somehow the chart has to break down or dissolve... ah, rambling Sunday thoughts.

[CapSunAriesMoon]

I think I have transcended my chart. For the longest time, I thought I was a Capricorn with Virgo rising and Moon in Aries, which was not so bad but just wasnt me. Then I saw my actual birth certificate and it turns out I'm a Cap with all that and Libra rising (which makes sense considering I'm beautiful). It bothered me to the point of overcompensation that my Ascendant squared Merc and etc. I went thru a really harsh saturn return and i really felt forever that my natal chart had something to do with it but once I devised a strategy (using a PDA) to overcome all of the negatives under my influence, I started finding that my squared-to-death chart didnt apply at all:

[CapSunAriesMoon]

Arggghhhh- I meant to put a smiley face after I'm beautiful. I swear I am not conceited!!!!!

[C Jayne]

Originally Posted by bellabixler

I find myself blaming my parents a lot too for my Libra sun- Aries moon. I read somewhere that if you are born with an opposition between the two, your parents weren't totally happy when you were born; they weren't really "vibing". I know that this is the case for me because my mom got pregnant with me very shortly after meeting my father. She never truly loved him; they got married 6 weeks after I was born due to my father's urgings.

There are a number of other things in my chart that bother me, but the sun-moon opposition probably bothers me the most. And I envy people who have the trine!

Bella--

Here is my philosophy about charts. We each come here to have a lesson. The lesson is a complicated, convoluted lesson -- not one of those simple little things they have in that TV show, Touched by an Angel. The lesson is, How to Deal With Having a Complex Personality, As described by My Chart.

My personal concept on this is, each of us chose the time and family to whom to be born. We chose the lessons -- they weren't thrust upon us. your internal friction is something you chose -- you could have taken different parents, a different birth time. You didn't.

Sun-Moon is difficult. You may wind up in a partnership with someone who has Sun conjunct Moon or trine or even square. We learn how to handle our energies differently by being with someone who "knows how to do it."

But that other person will also be learning from you. They will attach themselves to you because they wish they knew how to create that internal friction that you already have -- it can help a person move forward instead of stagnating. Dissatisfaction, actually, is the mother of invention.

I envy that you have a smart career path. So, go figure -- the grass is always greener, like Tim says.

-- CJ

[laliqueviolin]

Haha, I know I have disliked things in my chart I couldn't control, say the type of partner that I would most find attractive... freedom loving, fun, adventurous and outdoorsy. But the lover in me is quite the opposite of that. In fact it dampens the poor partner and I hate to sour the relationship but I eventually do. Their freedom-loving sense is threatening emotionally, as if maybe they have shallow feelings = flakey relationship.

I also wished I had some of the gentler water signs, like Cancer or Pisces. And maybe a good 2nd house. :P

[Elianah]

I don't think it's strange at all to be dissatisfied with one's natal chart, especially at times when transiting or progressed planets are challenging our most sensitive points.

I tried to auction off my t-sqaure and my Sag Moon-Saturn conjunction in the First on E-Bay but had no takers. I think transiting Saturn had something to do with that.

Yet, no matter how we try to pass the buck (or perhaps the asteroid, since this is an astrology site ), at some time we have to face the music of our charts and learn to use the Sun to conduct it so we have full orchestration playing in an integrated fashion. For some it happens quickly. For others it takes most of their lives.

Yet our charts are our life's symphony and the more we pull out the sheet music and use it, the better sounding it will become.

Elianah

[Ihatelawschool]

things we dislike about our chart...I hate the fact that almost ALL of my planets are on the bottom part of my chart...I wish I had one of those charismatic tenth or eleventh house personalities instead of an inward looking fourth house personality!! I also dont like the squares that my ascendant and Venus makes with Jupiter and Mars. Other than that, there are plenty of things I do like about my chart-the fact that most of my personal planets are in a planet of rulership or exaltation (Sun-Leo, Mercury-Virgo, Mars-Scorpio, Saturn-Libra, Moon-Cancer). I think astrology is a good tool to see what your strengths and weaknesses are and to use them both to better yourself. (i.e. my jupiter squares my ascendant making me self indulgent-I try to watch my diet).

Someone said that they wish that they had more of a fire/air influence in their chart because it would make them less attached to people-my chart has alot of fire influence and I have severe detachment issues! I attribute that to my cancer moon!

[Draco]

Hi Mav and all,

Have you noticed that the more extensively you study your natal chart and that of other people you know, the less satisfied you often become with yourself? Do you find that you often become jealous of other people's ascendants or planetary locations, or feel that the Universe somehow made a mistake?

Actually no, I never have, I adore my chart, and I have never once envied another's chart and I wouldn't change a thing about my own. I'm very proud of it. Well, perhaps I would prefer my 6th house Moon nudged up a bit into the 7th, but that's just a trivial. Other than that, I can honestly say that I am completely satisfied with my chart in every way. The only thing that I am dissatisfied with is my inability to live up to it's greatest potential, and my many failiures at seeking to avoid some of it's baser potentials. All the same I love it, for better or worse.

I am genuinely suprised that so many hate certain things about their charts and envy other people's.

This is so ironic...I desperately want to be a Virgo

Really? Don't get me wrong, I'm a Virgo and this is flattering, and any Virgo will tell you that our sign is superior , but I am suprised that anyone would desperately want to be anything other than that which they are astrologically. Why would you forsake your special Sun-Moon-Asc, combo in the same sign, which is something of a rarity?

Pixy,

Ahh Yes...I do that all the time....I wish I had no Scorpio!!!

You really wish you had no Scorpio? Why? Scorpio is the sexiest and most alluring sign. I am totally in love with my Mars in Scorpio, I am so proud of that placement, I relish telling people that I am a Martial Scorpio, they usually ask what it means, and so I' show 'em -grrr! :twisted: :P I have Uranus conjunct Mars too, phew! They don't know what they're in for!

and you get the chance to feel like a "Leo Moon"

I have a Leo Moon too. Grrr again I say. lol.

Lunar Pisces,

I can't say I've ever envied any partcular chart or aspect in another person's chart

Me neither. Are we the only one's?

Granted I have a whopper

Same here. 8)

Draco

[sam]

Originally Posted by Draco

I relish telling people that I am a Martial Scorpio, they usually ask what it means, and so I' show 'em -grrr!

Not in public, I hope.

My Mars is in Scorp, too, although it's so far into Scorpio it may as well be Sagittarius. I like the idea of Mars in Sag, though. I need some more fire.

[Arian Maverick]

This has turned into a discussion of one of my favorite planets--my chart ruler, Mars! :mrgreen:

Although Gemini is considered to be a somewhat weak placement of this planet due to its tendencies to unfocus Mars' rather direct and assertive energies, I rather enjoy the influence this has bestowed upon me. As many member of the forum will attest, I am a fierce debator, and I derive great enjoyment from exercising my intellectual prowess!

However, I take even greater pride in my eighth house Pluto in Scorpio. :twisted:

Arian Maverick