self-doubt and Mars-Neptune

[Night Sky]

Mars in my natal chart is on the Ascendant square Neptune on the IC. So to me this aspect manifests in a concrete way. If anyone should understand it, i ought to be able to... and share my thoughts with people.

I have read varying statements about hard Mars-Neptune aspects, which range in variety and interpretation. But I am still in need of clarification.

Neptune is the planet most associated with imagination, and sensitivity. And Mars enables us to stand up for ourselves and say what we want and get what we want.

Neptune also is deceptive and illusive, and gullible as f**k.

here is the Astro weekly interpretation.


Often the Neptune energy emerges in its distorted nature, in that there can be disconcerting emotional impulses, strange imaginations and obsessions, or negative types of habit=patterned behaviour, which can be essentially self-destructive through a vulnerability to the Neptunian addictions of drugs, alcohol and compulsive sexual obsessions.


Ok, vulnerability. I am not so strong, physically or emotionally or anything. And I put myself in situations where I am in danger sometimes, in both senses. I sometimes project an image of strength as a ploy to cover up that vulnerableness. When I have energy i am so confident... but next day maybe it's all gone, i can't do anything, suddenly it's like trying to swim against a fast flowing river upstream... get worn out and get nowhere.

Obsessive behaviour and sexual fixations. I am obsessive with whoever it is that i like, not a stalker though, I thought that's Pluto's job. When I get rejected I happily accept it and find another fixation. Though i admit that when I find out some girl is stalking me, i go for her, to have a stalker is the greatest honour.

Drugs n' alcohol. I have tried and found that it puts me out of balance. A hangover is a hangover to normal people. Thankfully I think I am a responsible drinker. (this is false) It can cause depression. I notice if i overdo it one night, it takes whole weeks to recover or even longer. Thankfully I don't do it that often then. I have no control over it.

I have a habit of believing things which are not true. But to me if someone says something generally i believe it. Then there is paranoia where I am convinced that someone is lying when they are not.


Found that sometimes don't feel good enough, for anyone, or that anything i do is good enough, feel undermined and filled with self-doubts. But when I have the energy and go for stuff without hesitation it always works.


Neptune

[aquarius7000]

Hi NS,

Mars (action, also will-power, drive and self-assertion) square (challenge-d) Neptune (compassion, also confusion and self-doubt) can mean- today the drive or go-getter attitude is there, and then it 'dissolves' (very Neptune like) - coming close to the way you explained it. It could also mean self (Mars) discouragement & disappointment (Neptune) to a certain extent, as Neptune (being the stronger of the two planets) might cause a bit lack of lack of self-confidence to that otherwise strong-willed Mars, who's all ready to go fetch what you want in life from the world (placed at the Asc). Since the Asc is involved here, Mars' placement here might mean (pls also consider the main Asc ruler) that people might find you impulsive, even a bit brash perhaps, at times, which might have been more so the case, had Nep, aspecting that Mars, not been there to milden that effect. Neptune squaring Mars can also make you physically (Asc involved) weak, esp, like playing down (Nep) your energy (Mars).

Tell me: Neptune on/close to the IC: did you ever/do you live close to water, do you, or actually, you do live abroad (I see Ecuador, as your 'current location'), don't you? Nep at the IC can also make the person come from a spiritual family/ background-roots/ be spiritual himself, maybe even be 'in that Nep-fog' as in confused or unclear about their background. And now to Mars on your asc, are you slim, may be even tall (though the rising sign would play quite a role, too & can't remember yours)? Sorry about the questions there, just curious, as to whether any of these 'astro-suppositions' actually manifest themselves).

aquarius7000

[Night Sky]

Firstly Aquarius7000, don't be sorry about asking me questions, I am just pleased that someone has answered my thread, sometimes I'll write an essay and no-one replies. So thank you and also a substantial reply too.


Sometimes i have to put up a face or an attitude of being tough. People are tough. People will step on you and push you out the way if you don't speak with confidence, stand straight and maybe swagger a little. When I don't do my best at that "act" of manliness of being a cock so to speak, i get shoved out the way, off the bus, ignored etc. etc. It must be an act, because I am not strong or confident at all... On the other hand I feel i am direct and open with people... which is not an act at all. I guess Virgo is a slightly weaker sign... but mentally may be where the strength goes rather than the physical body, not musclely or macho. Napoleon had Mars in Virgo... he was short and not exactly a male pin up, but conquered Europe. GW Bush has Virgo Mars and is confident in a Republican way and Barack Obama of course is Mars Virgo... which is angular in 7th... and he comes across as confident, yet maybe a little nervous, though i don't know much about him.

I always pass out for a blood test.

Your questions: Neptune IC... I lived most my life in a seaside town. Grew up with the sound of waves crashing in the background far off.

The Religious thing... My Mama is Catholic, and I have been brought up with some religion in my blood. I don't blame religion for my problems though. I do however acknowledge that the IC is most connected to the father and mother, and they have both been undermining to my self confidence. But I cannot "escape" them. They have both lied to me in some big ways. They have acted and spoken in their interests which have not been helpful to me. Feel undermined by them. But this is PAST. This will not help move forward.


Neptune is also beneficial in some ways, it is trine Moon, placed in 8th. As Neptune rules 7th and Moon rules 11th, i think it should play out well for some relationships and friendships too.


As you supposed I am tall and fairly thin. Virgo rises with mercury in Sag 3rd. I can give you my natal chart if you want.


But I'd like to return back to Neptune. Neptune has a pointy thing, TRIDENT. While Pluto doesn't and I always thought of neptune as more of a sensitive planet rather than harmful. Harmful only in combination I suppose...

I also have dependency problems with parents. I don't know whether it's me that depends on them financially or them that are depending on me to look after them. I feel they hold me back sometimes, selfishly, but then feel blamed for being unable to get away and stand on my own feet. They have a habit of blaming. This is maybe too personal and maybe should stick to the forms of Mars-Neptune. What other kind of men/women have Mars Neptune or even venus Neptune contacts?

I found Ernest Hemingway has mars in Virgo in the 1st square Neptune in 10th. But Pluto and Saturn also square Mars which is not my case. He was a "man's writer"

There are various people with this aspect. That I have found.

What I was interested in to begin with though was this self-confidence thing. Mars in my chart is trine Chiron fairly tight. To look elsewhere. But I don't know how chiron is supposed to strengthen anything through positive aspects...

And then saturn is the self doubt planet which is in 2nd house exactly square Ascendant. I seem to be back at the beginning again.

[Claire19]

Originally Posted by Night Sky

Mars in my natal chart is on the Ascendant square Neptune on the IC. So to me this aspect manifests in a concrete way. If anyone should understand it, i ought to be able to... and share my thoughts with people.

I have read varying statements about hard Mars-Neptune aspects, which range in variety and interpretation. But I am still in need of clarification.

Neptune is the planet most associated with imagination, and sensitivity. And Mars enables us to stand up for ourselves and say what we want and get what we want.

Neptune also is deceptive and illusive, and gullible as f**k.

here is the Astro weekly interpretation.


Often the Neptune energy emerges in its distorted nature, in that there can be disconcerting emotional impulses, strange imaginations and obsessions, or negative types of habit=patterned behaviour, which can be essentially self-destructive through a vulnerability to the Neptunian addictions of drugs, alcohol and compulsive sexual obsessions.


Ok, vulnerability. I am not so strong, physically or emotionally or anything. And I put myself in situations where I am in danger sometimes, in both senses. I sometimes project an image of strength as a ploy to cover up that vulnerableness. When I have energy i am so confident... but next day maybe it's all gone, i can't do anything, suddenly it's like trying to swim against a fast flowing river upstream... get worn out and get nowhere.

Obsessive behaviour and sexual fixations. I am obsessive with whoever it is that i like, not a stalker though, I thought that's Pluto's job. When I get rejected I happily accept it and find another fixation. Though i admit that when I find out some girl is stalking me, i go for her, to have a stalker is the greatest honour.

Drugs n' alcohol. I have tried and found that it puts me out of balance. A hangover is a hangover to normal people. Thankfully I think I am a responsible drinker. (this is false) It can cause depression. I notice if i overdo it one night, it takes whole weeks to recover or even longer. Thankfully I don't do it that often then. I have no control over it.

I have a habit of believing things which are not true. But to me if someone says something generally i believe it. Then there is paranoia where I am convinced that someone is lying when they are not.


Found that sometimes don't feel good enough, for anyone, or that anything i do is good enough, feel undermined and filled with self-doubts. But when I have the energy and go for stuff without hesitation it always works.


Neptune

I have Mars conjunct Neptune exact. It is in Libra 8th and conjuncts Venus there. As Nep is my chart ruler I have variable energy levels also. I have gone from many lovers to celibacy as I grew older. Mars in the 8th is a good position and so is Neptune. So which is the stronger??? Mars in detriment in Libra but conjuncts Venus in Libra which is strong. Supposed to have magnetism with Mars Neptune and especially men. When feeling strong and confident I knew I could attract the man or men I wanted. I was never obviously tarty but more subtle and seductive. I am often indecisive as I see all sides of a situation. Yes stalking belongs to Pluto.
Interesting you find that sort of behaviour complimentary. I guess ugly unattractive people dont attract that sort of attention, you may be right.


I have been spied on and have done some secret spying myself.



You must also watch for deception with sexual matters and infections.

[Squapius]

Steeler, I sympathise with this in a way... but I have come to realise that these "FEARS" which are extremely real when you feel them... are often something that I have created in my own mind and which are not really based on reality, but on past experiences, which are triggered simply by a look, or a innocent comment... quite innocent... yet in my mind it snowballs...

(HAHAHAH)!
Tell me about it.

Hello Nightsky! I got mars square nep too.
With only one difference: My neptune is in the Asc and my mars is in the fourth house.
So, I thing this got to be similar in any way.

You know, I have had many problems like yours. I have had many problems with unnecesarily questioning myself and not feeling strong at the times of confrontation (reading at the other member´s posts too).
Because this aspect confers much sensitivity.
I know I´m very sensitive.
And I actually like to be sensitive (very musical, having great contact with my environment).
But it can get very bad when you got harmed (physically, emotionally, etc).

The deal with "confusions about what cause those fears or insecurities that you even have created apparently" relates to this aspect.

I don´t mind admitting that I´m not a good astrologer (because I´m not really), but anyways I like very, very, very, very much astrology. The point is that problems with the individuality would be worse for the neptune asc version (me, in other words).
I can figure out how you must feel.
I think you feel the need of unfold yourself so anybody would accept you and also respect you. I say this considering you have mars in the ascendant, then you would be wanting to feel like you got the power.
Then, neptune in your fourth house makes you feel running out of back up.
You mentioned that your parents were not so good with you.
Do you have any hold in the past, somehow?

Form my part I can say that the self-attacking qualities of the mars-nep square, are intensified in me.
Because my tightest aspects are inconjunctions from mars and mercury to pluto.
I have experienced, that this inconjunctions are a lot of trouble.
Very tensionating, frustrating, desesperating aspects (that match just perfect with another problem that is very tangible, in my body I mean).
The thing is that this aspects drown the mind and the energies to the very hidden places. And all that is a complication.
In the end, I´m just defending myself of blurring out from the fear of loosing my identity.

At this now, I have a very tight hold on this problems. I have learned how to take them in the good way, work with them and incorporate them to my unity.
And seeing how precious is BEING PRACTICAL and having common sense XD.


I guess this aspects just can be resolved by really looking at your own face, your true face. And trusting in yourself. And auto-boosting your self-esteem (THAT WORKS MAN).

So, that was my post.

Feel free to reply =)

[Night Sky]

Originally Posted by Squapius

I guess this aspects just can be resolved by really looking at your own face, your true face. And trusting in yourself. And auto-boosting your self-esteem (THAT WORKS MAN).

So, that was my post.

Feel free to reply =)

Firstly, got Pluto semi-sextile Mars half a degree orb, so i think that is similar to the inconjunct too.

Something that I didn't take into consideration, but since it's only become difficult for me during the Pluto transit conjunct Neptune and Square Mars, I think that the energy of Pluto is definitely something to be thought about as well. Especially since it is in Scorpio, Mars' natural sign.


But what you said is true.... you must know yourself. If you stand firm on a foundation of knowing what you want, what you like and what you are, and don't let anyone question your motivations or reasons, then you shouldn't feel under threat so much. (that's my Ascendant conjunct 1st house Mars talking)


Still though the IC rules your foundations, so you should find that what you stand upon... maybe a deeper sense of self-confidence is based on Mars in your 4th house... you ought to have a drive and an ability to recharge your energy from your home base.

Mars is the planet which is most like the Ascendant... they are both associated with physical appearance and puting yourself forward. Neptune on the Ascendant maybe makes you soft? And confronted by domineering parents on the IC?


Somthing to add...
I find when I am tired I allow insecurity to take control. Feel that either i have offended or that I am rejected somehow... This works in sexual level as well... if i am really tired or depressed it has a physical manifestation, which can maybe the source of some of the anxieties with sex. You maybe feel that you are not good enough in some way and therefore this causes you a real pschological problem.

Mars rules the sex organs so this is probably something that contains illusions and mistaken ideas. Feeling that you are not good enough in a sexual way.

But sex is connected to how you feel in your head because Mars rules the head and brain too. And Neptune rules emotions. You must accept that connection between the sex and the emotion and that if you can't do it one day... it is not because you have something wrong with you but because Neptune is like an ocean tide... it connects the physical sensation to the sensations which are soft and of the nature the sublime.

Tantric sex.

It must be spiritual and phsyical at the same time.

I do running. but i need music to be able to run. One is physical (mars) the other is to satisfy neptune so that i don't think about the pain, but transcend it... until all of the serotonin gets released.


It is important with Mars to "DO SOMETHING" but it has to be spiritually uplifting and emotionally satisfying with Neptune at the same time...


But must also back to earlier point of being undermined.... we must say to ourselves "I am solid.... I don't need anyone to tell me what to think... to make me doubt myself... because I know what I want and I know what I can do.. and don't let anyone question my capability."

[Squapius]

Mars is the planet which is most like the Ascendant... they are both associated with physical appearance and puting yourself forward. Neptune on the Ascendant maybe makes you soft? And confronted by domineering parents on the IC?

Yes, I´m soft sometimes. That´s because I´m a very harmonic human (I got a very mighty taurus venus).
The reason why I can handle myself and find an order is because I got saturn in the asc too.

"Domineering parents in the IC".
HAHAHHAH!!
I´m the dominant one in my house.

Hey Nightsky!
Why won´t we write our planet signs in a post? For knowing eachother better =)

Here they are:
Sun, mercury, moon: GEM.
Mars: ARIES.
Venus: Taurus.
Saturn, uranus, neptune: CAP.
Jupiter, chiron: CAN.
Pluto, lilith: Scorpio.

ASC: Capricorn.

I find when I am tired I allow insecurity to take control. Feel that either i have offended or that I am rejected somehow... This works in sexual level as well... if i am really tired or depressed it has a physical manifestation, which can maybe the source of some of the anxieties with sex.

In this case, you have to really consider this awesome key word: RELAXATION.
The natural state of things around us is movement, flowing motion. If you constraint and get tense, you will have a neurotic emotion constipation. If you slow down the motion, then the pain will never go.
Relexation is a war tool. Once the mind is cool, the big surprise will be to discover how easy was to resolve the problems.
You did say physical manifestation. At getting tired you feel insecure, right? And when you feel insecure, you start to fearing that same thing and finally you get tense.
Your body gets tense, still or restrained. That´s why you feel there´s a physical consecuence.
That´s when you order your body to relax. And as the body gets relaxed, you will find your ideas getting clearer.
Is very good to have the body and the mind balanced, because there is when you feel them integrated to eachother and you can work with your body. Doing what you want.
You said something about this in previous posts.

(waiting for your reply)

[Night Sky]

Hi Squapius, where did you come up with that name by the way?


You know I am usually rather secretive about the whole chart thing... but since you asked and you shared yours... i'll let you see mine.:38:

Ascendant, Mars: Virgo

Venus Libra, house 1

Pluto, Saturn Scorpio H2

Sun: Scorpio H3

Mercury, Uranus Jupiter: Sagittarius H3

Neptune Sagittarius IC

Moon Aries H8




You are right about the relaxation thing... I think it may be a Virgo trait on my part though, I have a total inability to let go at times, and can be nervous.

Aries Mars though... how does that work out? You have a certain number of Essentially dignified planets: Jupiter, mercury, Venus, Saturn, Mars...

Gemini's are usually realists though... must have got bored waiting for a response already

Question: what degree is Ascendant and IC? I want to know if Ascendant is conjunct Neptune and by how many degrees, and Mars conjunct the IC too... These on their own are considered major aspects by some.

[Claire19]

With Mars square to the IC there can be deception with family matters and in particular the roots and ancestry. You may feel you need to get a sense of your identity and this can lead you to genealogy and family tree matters. You will find there are secrets and lies told in relation to this.

I dont have your chart so cannot comment further.

[BobZemco]

Mars square Neptune has nothing to do with self-doubt.
It isn't "Neptune conjunct the IC," it's Neptune opposition MC (your Ego) that generates the self-doubt.

Neptune squaring the MC will also manifest itself as self-doubt, but for different reasons.

With Mars squaring Neptune, it exacerbates the self-doubt because one has the urge to act impulsively (especially if Mars is in a Fire sign or in an active sign), making bad-decisions that are regretted later, compounding the feeling of self-doubt. The origin of this urge to act impulsively is dependent on the placement of Mars. If in the 1st House, it is within the self. If in the 7th House, it is pressure from others that results in the urge to act compulsively.

It's complicated more when Mars is conjunct/oppposing the Ascendant and squaring Neptune opposing the MC (a T-Square). If Mars is conjunct the Ascendant, the urge to act impulsively comes from with because you want others to see you with this sort of fasle bravado. If opposing the Ascendant, you do so because of the expectation that others want to see a sense of false bravado.

Outside of that, Mars square Neptune is characterized by deceptive actions, or acting because your deceived into doing so. The degree of impulsiveness here is also goverened by the placement of Mars in Fire/Active signs, as well as in Houses of Life. It will also show you where you'll keep making mistakes and the origin of the deception. Someone with Mars in the 2nd square Neptune in the 5th will act differently than someone with Neptune in the 2nd and Mars in the 5th, as Neptune will shows where we deceive ourselves/are vulnerable to deception by others.

[Night Sky]

Originally Posted by BobZemco

Mars square Neptune has nothing to do with self-doubt.
It isn't "Neptune conjunct the IC," it's Neptune opposition MC (your Ego) that generates the self-doubt.

Neptune squaring the MC will also manifest itself as self-doubt, but for different reasons.

With Mars squaring Neptune, it exacerbates the self-doubt because one has the urge to act impulsively (especially if Mars is in a Fire sign or in an active sign), making bad-decisions that are regretted later, compounding the feeling of self-doubt. The origin of this urge to act impulsively is dependent on the placement of Mars. If in the 1st House, it is within the self. If in the 7th House, it is pressure from others that results in the urge to act compulsively.

It's complicated more when Mars is conjunct/oppposing the Ascendant and squaring Neptune opposing the MC (a T-Square). If Mars is conjunct the Ascendant, the urge to act impulsively comes from with because you want others to see you with this sort of fasle bravado. If opposing the Ascendant, you do so because of the expectation that others want to see a sense of false bravado.

Outside of that, Mars square Neptune is characterized by deceptive actions, or acting because your deceived into doing so. The degree of impulsiveness here is also goverened by the placement of Mars in Fire/Active signs, as well as in Houses of Life. It will also show you where you'll keep making mistakes and the origin of the deception. Someone with Mars in the 2nd square Neptune in the 5th will act differently than someone with Neptune in the 2nd and Mars in the 5th, as Neptune will shows where we deceive ourselves/are vulnerable to deception by others.

Thanks for you comments Bob, quite a lot to think about.

I suppose the main thrust of my topic was this "self doubt" thing which is not strictly a Neptune-Mars owned problem. Saturn in aspect to the Sun is one aspect which I know to be able to undermine a person's self confidence, and probably Neptune in aspect to Sun just as well, because, the Sun represents the Ego in a rather simple sense of being your "self".

I am aware too about the Neptune MC opposition. When I stated Neptune IC conjunction i fully understood the implications of its being opposite the MC and Square the Ascendant also.


Part of the problem with Neptune is that it is a planet where you can easily not know where you are with. That you just don't know where you stand or don't really know which direction to go in.


Often there is a choice, between two directions, or between believeing two simultanious things. Like the Pisces imagery of two fish swimming in opposite directions, Neptune I believe, decides to accept BOTH options as true, and to metaphorically go in both directions.

Pisces is after all one of the dual or bicorporeal signs. The difficulty with Mars or the Sun then is perhaps that these two planets are of a Singular pointed nature, they need a clear direction, and one direction, one course of action.

Mars doesn't like getting lost like Neptune. Mars is an ego planet like the Sun, it has basic drives and functions on the basis of satisfying that drive, by going from A to B in a direct open fashion, with little or no detour. The "self doubt" or questioning of that basic self assertion occurs when Mars is confronted with impossible choices. Mars doesn't usually sacrifice himself, Mars is usually more of a self preserving surviror planet, hence the association or traditional rulership of Scorpio.

One thing that you metioned Bob, about decision making, I think is crucial to understanding this aspect properly. Hesitation I believe is one of the major stumbling blocks in making decisions which work out. Obviously there will always be bad decisions which will always be made... but I think it is a basic psychological law of repercussions, like a ripple effect. When decisions are clouded by doubt or misinformation, or even by not knowing which direction is best and the decision is based on hesitation, doubt, lack of system, the results are usually bad. Because the movement forward was a negative one. When decisions are made without thinking about them on an emotional level as per Neptune, then the decisions can have more success, because they are based on confidence. And confidence usually attracts confidence.

[Claire19]

I have an exact conjunct with Mars and Neptune in Libra. I used to feel that nothing I did mattered. That all was futile....I have had to get over that and channelled my energies into the metaphysical matters as it is posited in the 8th. I have had long periods of celibacy and then periods of frenetic rather indiscriminant sexual activity as well. Mars Neptune can be very prone to STDs, infections and so on so have to be very careful. It is supposed to be a magnetic aspect especially for men. The IT factor.... who ironically can feel they are not quite manly enough and overcompensate. It confers a kind of glamour and mystery...

It is a deceptive influence for sure and attracts lies and liars which you have to guard against as well as being prone to addictions or involvements with addicts.

It depends on what other aspects are connected to it that temper it or exaggerate the effects.

[m0ney*p0wer*re$pect]

I keep coming back here because this aspect is difficult for me. My mars is in the 1st and Neptune and the 4th and I can tell u that my family is where my identity issues come from. Feeling like a failure if I choose not to go to college, feeling like an atheist if I miss church, always trying to fulfill and ideal person that they set for me. I feel constricted around my extended family now, because I'm not like them, I kno how to explain I'm just deciding if I want to spill it out on here

But I kno my setbacks are my fault. My biggest desire is to be down to earth, to plant my feet on the ground and feel the dirt and concrete. I can start easily but I have lack of follow thru burning out quickly out of frustration and fear of failure. This placement is hard because it takes alot of consciousness and alot of control. My mind gets the best of me almost everyday and I find myself in another world while the real world spins around me and when I wake up I end up playing catch up and running an imaginary race.


The things I must do hard feel extremely hard to cuz I fantasize about it going one way and it turns out different. I need to just stop thinking and reconnect with myself
And live not dream

[Claire19]

Originally Posted by m0ney*p0wer*re$pect

I keep coming back here because this aspect is difficult for me. My mars is in the 1st and Neptune and the 4th and I can tell u that my family is where my identity issues come from. Feeling like a failure if I choose not to go to college, feeling like an atheist if I miss church, always trying to fulfill and ideal person that they set for me. I feel constricted around my extended family now, because I'm not like them, I kno how to explain I'm just deciding if I want to spill it out on here

But I kno my setbacks are my fault. My biggest desire is to be down to earth, to plant my feet on the ground and feel the dirt and concrete. I can start easily but I have lack of follow thru burning out quickly out of frustration and fear of failure. This placement is hard because it takes alot of consciousness and alot of control. My mind gets the best of me almost everyday and I find myself in another world while the real world spins around me and when I wake up I end up playing catch up and running an imaginary race.


The things I must do hard feel extremely hard to cuz I fantasize about it going one way and it turns out different. I need to just stop thinking and reconnect with myself
And live not dream

I understand you as I have the aspect exact in Libra and Neptune is my chart ruler. If it were not for my Taurus Moon I would find it difficult to live on this Earth plane where we have to walk etc rather than just fly around as a spirit.

[*emma*]

I have the trine here. In my experience it is a little debilitating when you want or need to take action. Like nothing is straightforward. Self sabotaging imo. Obviously no aspect alone has all the power. I also have an exact mars pluto sextile which never fails me when i want something, the neptune aspect causes trouble sometimes in me not knowing what I want. Then again my mars is in cancer which is in fall to start with too safety conscious and a libra sun which dithers so much. I dont think the mars neptune aspect is about self doubt at all, it is doubt in a general hazy sense which stops and frustrates the mars energy.

[Claire19]

Originally Posted by *emma*

I have the trine here. In my experience it is a little debilitating when you want or need to take action. Like nothing is straightforward. Self sabotaging imo. Obviously no aspect alone has all the power. I also have an exact mars pluto sextile which never fails me when i want something, the neptune aspect causes trouble sometimes in me not knowing what I want. Then again my mars is in cancer which is in fall to start with too safety conscious and a libra sun which dithers so much. I dont think the mars neptune aspect is about self doubt at all, it is doubt in a general hazy sense which stops and frustrates the mars energy.

I think the conjunction lends to loss of drive and energy at times. I have Mars Neptune wide sextile to Pluto which I think often saves me.

[Absynthe]

I have this aspect. I dislike it very much. I want a mars-pluto conjunction. Who wants to trade?

[m0ney*p0wer*re$pect]

All it takes is self control and awareness, I guess this aspect gets a bad rap cuz no one talks about the success they had with it. It's body builders with mar Neptune aspects as well as athletes

[Absynthe]

Originally Posted by m0ney*p0wer*re$pect

It's body builders with mar Neptune aspects as well as athletes

That is incorrect. With body builders and athletes i would look for mars-pluto aspects and probably saturn. Mars-neptune would give artists and such.

[m0ney*p0wer*re$pect]

Originally Posted by Absynthe

That is incorrect. With body builders and athletes i would look for mars-pluto aspects and probably saturn. Mars-neptune would give artists and such.

It's not incorrect ie seen the charts I some bodybuilders and athletes that had this aspect just because you despise it doesn't mean another perso hasn't put it to use


And a mars Pluto aspect alone doesn't mean one will become some power hungry heathen

Body building is a part of fashion, they model their bodies for the adoration of an audience and most of them use drugs to obtain an image of perfection.


Maybe u need to look up some charts and you'll see that there are ppl with this aspect that crystallize their dreams instead of pitying themselves ad wishing for another aspect. This is what makes me dislike astrology, it in itself is to ague, abstract and far from realistic

[m0ney*p0wer*re$pect]

Also, I kno a few people with mars aspecting every planet from Saturn to Pluto, they seem to have no goal besides being well to do far from athletes and far from anything that has to do with weights but they never forget to do for themselves so if anything they look out for themselves do what they need to do to survive every mars Saturn Pluto aspect doesn't mean you'll be some athlete ppl should learn to take their life into their own hands and stop letting astrology fuel their insecurities and excuses as to why they can't bust their ***

[Absynthe]

You should really try using a period every now and then, its really hard to read a post that is one long, run on sentence.

[JayM]

Originally Posted by m0ney*p0wer*re$pect

Also, I kno a few people with mars aspecting every planet from Saturn to Pluto, they seem to have no goal besides being well to do far from athletes and far from anything that has to do with weights but they never forget to do for themselves so if anything they look out for themselves do what they need to do to survive every mars Saturn Pluto aspect doesn't mean you'll be some athlete ppl should learn to take their life into their own hands and stop letting astrology fuel their insecurities and excuses as to why they can't bust their ***

Possibly, my mars in pisces in the 1st aspects all the outer planets (squares uranus, sextiles neptune, and trines pluto) and I dont yet know what I want or what my goal is at the moment (im getting there), I dont know if thats mars in pisces or the neptune or pluto aspect. Saturn in scorpio has almost the only hard aspects in my chart aside from uranus square to mars and inconjunt to my moon.

I've never done drugs, due to im guessing my cap sun but I used to be into video games alot and I have a bit of a food addiction.

[m0ney*p0wer*re$pect]

As long as I get my point across, it's just the Internet my sentence structure doesn't have to be perfect but I'll try to improve on it

[poyi]

Despite all the C****y things that I experienced with Mars/Neptune square. Apparently some believe that the gift of this aspect is as a magical healer.

http://blog.virgovault.com/2011/03/0...eing-the-gift/