Hi Aquarius,
I am so very sorry I somehow missed getting back to you on this. I was just checking my inbox and cleaning it up a bit and found it ... apologies ...
Thanks a lot for your interpretation.
Here is the info for this question: “Does he really love me? What are his real feelings for me?” it was asked the 1st of May 2011 at 5.37 pm in kuala lumpur Malaysia.
One senior member had calculated his part of love and it’s in 17 Pisces ruled by Jupiter. Since Mars is going away from his POL, this was considered as a negative testimony. Actually everybody is going away from his POL in this chart but he’s in partile conjunction with the ruler of his POL and he’s running away from it. And me, Venus, I’m going towards the ruler of his POL. The Moon is applying a conjunction to Jupiter, too.
The other thing is that his POL is in my 6th and his 12th Hs. This may indicate that we’re in a kind of suffering or what?
With any of the Arabic Parts, the relevant thing is the dispositor. What planet rules the Part - see where it's placed and who is applying or separating from that planet. That's what I was taught. It is relevant where the Part is placed - the house - but if there's any effect, it comes from the planet disposing the Part.[/B]
Concerning the POL, my part of love is in 17 Virgo ruled by Mercury, just opposite his. To calculate my POL we take the 1st house cusp as the AC but to calculate his POL we take the 7th house cusp as AC (his AC). Consequently, our respective POLs would be in opposition. That’s why I think that the Part of Marriage would be more appropriate to take into account, since the formula considers both 1st and 7th Hs cusps. Also it would fit better the context of the question. So, i agree with you that we can consider the POM for the assessment of the quality of this love. As you were saying the POM is in 19 Libra conjunct my AC and ruled by Venus which is on the cusp of the 7th, his 1st house. Venus will apply a conjunction to Mars and this could be considered as a positive testimony, I hope.
Yes and no! I really think the "quality of this love" is shown by the Reception between your two planets or the Moon and 7 ruler. The conjunction by Venus with Mars is positive, yes. It's just that Venus has to get past the conjunctions with the other planets and we need to think about them too - they can in fact tell you a quite bit about what will happen in the meantime. See which House these planets rule and also their condition - are they dignified or debilitated etc.
There is also POF in the 12th and I’m not sure what it means. Actually, it seems to be something negative but how? As it usually happens, some consider that unfortunate and some others think the contrary. What would be your opinion?
Well, POF is one of those things that you use to underline, to back up the reading of the aspects and reception in a chart. It's useful to describe the good fortune in the matter. Yes, it's in the 12th House so you might think, oh no. BUT ... remember it's the dispositor of POF to look at. Here, it's Mercury which is partile (exactly) conjunct the 7th cusp. So, the good fortune in the matter depends on 'the other' - well, we kind of knew that anyway - yes? The dignities of the POF can be calculated too - Lilly has them set out in CA - p 145. I strongly recommend owning a copy of Christian Astrology Books I and II by Lilly - AstroAmerica have copies - or else downloading it from somewhere online - then print out the table on p145 (and the tables on dignity) and keep them handy for constant reference! For example, in this chart, POF is at 24 Virgo in the 12th House - so we have, because it's in Virgo, a minus 5 to start with. It's unfortunately in Mars' Terms there, which is another minus 2. It's not combust so that earns it a plus 5 - so we're back to minus 2 for this POF. It's not trine or sextile Jupiter or Venus either, so POF is definitely having a negative input into your judgment. Again, this was already known to you - I seem to remember you said he'd been listening to others' gossip and lies didn't you?
Concerning Saturn Rx what do you think? He’s a separating conjunction with the AC on the cusp of the 1st house. This should correspond to obstacles and delays we had in this relationship. Saturn is exalted in Libra ruled by Venus but he’s retro. He’s separating from oppositions with Moon, Mercury and Venus. What do you think about this?
Saturn rules the 5th - the pleasure of the love affair - and also the sexual component of the relationship. Saturn is in the 12th where 'he doth much mischief' I think is how Lilly or one of the other ancient writers puts it! Meaning, simply, trouble and difficulties. Don't forget that the 12th House is the house of secrets, lies, secret enemies and also self undoing and sorrow, generally ... so if any of these things rings true (only you will know that), then it's relevant. Saturn Rx means that the dignity achieved by being Exalted etc is offset somewhat. It doesn't automatically turn Saturn into a big baddie though but there is the possibility of separation or being held back - a kind of going backwards in the matter. Does that resonate?
I have also a question concerning fixed stars in horary. I do not have knowledge on that subject but as i understand there are so many malefics and benefic ones that which ones can be taken into account for a relational horary? What can we expect from their interpretation?
Generally speaking, the Fixed Stars are like the Arabic Parts in Horary. Take notice of them, yes, but they are simply to add to the story that is gleaned from the main significators, aspects and reception. This applies to antiscia, too. These little fellows can be quite helpful to find out what's going on behind the scenes - - what you can't see - and here the antiscion of Venus is 17 Virgo - so you can see the 12th House of secrets, lies, secret enemies etc mentioned above is being emphasised. The best text on Fixed Stars is by Ebertin-Hoffman Fixed Stars and their interpretation - an AFA publication. A little book that's well worth owning!
Actually, i have already another horary question with some scary fixed stars being conjuct some planets, i wonder how can we understand their importance. For instance in this chart, Sirius seems to be conjunct MC.
Any Fixed Star within a couple of degrees of the main significators (and the angles) is of some importance. Not the be-all and end-all, but nevertheless important. The nature of Sirius is Mars and Jupiter - which is quite grand but feisty in nature.
Ebertin-Hoffman say that '... from time immemorial it was the Royal One but is also known as violent. Well connected, it promises fame, honours, riches. On the Ascendant and with Mars combined, Sirius can be quite dangerous ... In good aspect with Mars and Jupiter and close to the meridian, promise is given of gaining extensive wealth, a lucky hand in commercial enterprise or matters of government ... possibly the rise in station is made possible by protection from people of influence ...' If that's relevant to the question, then it will have meaning and should be included in your overall judgment.
I don't know if it means something. Do you think there is a difference between the interpretation of these stars in natal chart and in horary?
Hey, you do ask some good questions! No I personally don't think so. They mean what they mean in whatever chart they're in. They have a "nature" (as described above) and should be added to your judgment of a horary - or interpretation of a natal / transits / solar return chart ONLY if they are close to a planet. There is nothing to be gained by including the Fixed Star in a reading if it's by itself in a House in the chart. It's got to be within a few degrees either side (2 or 3?) of a significant planet.
Thanks a lot again