Retrogade Jupiter

I have Retrograde Jupiter in my 11th House so for the meaning of this planet would it mean a more inward perspective on the sign and house matters. In astrology books they never list the meanings of planets retrograde in houses.

I have also read it is the personal planets which hold more significance because of the outer planets moving more slowly. Venus for example would have more difficulty receiving or giving love if retrograde.

What would be the meaning of my retrograde Jupiter in Leo 11th House.

Shining Ray

Wow, [Shining Ray - I don't know what to call you now, can I shorten you to Shine?? ] you ARE on a crusade to reinstate senior forum status well, I am on a crusade to avoid my reading work, so I shall reply...

Jupiter: expansion, learning, generosity, abundance, benevolence
Retro: experiences (more) internally, indirectly, introspectively
11H: social conscious, ideals, individual contribution to society, philanthropy
Leo: Leadership through self expression, courage, creativity

There is my brainstorming. Now to interpret....

I agree that Jupiter is more of a 'teacher' than a personal force. It doesn't belong directly to you in the way that mars or venus, etc, do.

I think you could learn, and benefit (jupiter) from your individual contribution to social causes (11H), in line with your ideals (both jupiter and 11H).

Okay, that's a non-specific reading, not taking into account anything that I know about you. It's a very broad idea. Basically I see that Jupiter's energy could be very easily expressed in the 11H through personal generosity according to your social ideals. Both 11H and Jupiter are idealistic, no?

Retro in leo is causing a bit of a mental crossed-wires for me. Both 11H and Leo are rather 'out there', socialised parts of a chart. Jupiter in leo (with 11H considered) might suggest something very boisterous with friends you meet through voluntary association (activism/political group/social group/volunteering etc) and with you taking somewhat of a "larger than life" leadership role. Somewhat of an ideological crusader But I don't picture you quite like that. If you are to be an influential figure through social association, of any kind, my guess is that it's likely to be in a more self contained fashion. You may be inspired by ideals, yet not a soapbox grand-stander (as Jupiter in leo are apparently apt to be!!) because yours is retro.

Does the idea of learning, and expressing humanitarian values through (generously) donating your efforts in social associations sound like you? I love the eleventh house Here is the best description of 11H I have ever read:

http://www.lightofisis.com/Astrology/houses11.htm

Oh, and what can your new nickname be? Or are you definitely Shining Ray, all the way

PS - also just noticed, it's your only planet in the transpersonal/universal houses, perhaps it indicates your sense, or an avenue, for connecting to broader society. You have a focus on 1H/7H, your self and interpersonal relationships. Actually, your role on the forum is an 11H kinda thing

What aspects to Jupiter do you count? My guess is that Jupiter's lessons are about things like: learn to be generous, as well as experiencing others' generosity; learn to trust others, and yourself. Maybe aspects to Jupiter will suggest areas where this is relevant?

Thanks for helping me Howl. As for my Retrograde Jupiter, if I read textbook readings of this placement. It would not describe me at all. I am not a larger than life person among social groups. I can count my friends on one hand.

You have seen my chart with Saturn placed in Virgo in the 1st house. Sun opposed Saturn. Most of my planets are in passive signs. All over a quieter personality. It makes sense that my Jupiter is Retrograde otherwise it wouldn't fit in with my chart.

The description does sound like me in as much expressing humanitarian values generously through social groups but in an inward way like you said. Yes the only group activity I have is here on Astrology "community" which involves a group of people and I am not having to express myself outwardly. But a more inward expression to groups.

My aspects to Jupiter where I should learn my generosity to social groups are:

I have Jupiter trine my Moon/Mercury in the 7th house Pisces. It is a disassociate aspect because Jupiter being in Leo and Moon/Mercury Pisces. It says in Astrology aspects by Sue Tomkin's that the disassociate Trines are more dynamic. ( I like my disassociate Trine now )

(For your Venus Square Pluto Howl, I think this aspect was disassociate wasn't it. Sue Tompkins states the disassociate squares are less stressful than ordinary squares. She says disassociate aspects of all kinds usually call for more subtlety of interpretation. I am booting you out of the Venus Square Pluto club now Howl you have it easy you don't have to suffer like me and Milkywaygirl. )

My Moon/Mercury conjunction trine Scorpio/Uranus in the 3rd. This would indicate my Astrology interest. Computers and talking via Internet.

Jupiter opposes my Venus in the 5th house Capricorn. I will have to have a good think on how to piece all this together. Lots of different factors.

P.S You know your Astrology Howl would you use it professionally or is it a more of a hobby.

Shining Ray

Also on my new name people may think I am a man now, Tim called me Ray in his reply. I am never happy am I well that will teach me for changing it.

Shining Ray

Are you reading my mind today, Shining Ray? Several of the posts you've made today seem to draw out what my issues were.

Anyway, on the subject of Jupiter retrograde..... I have Jupiter retrograde at 28* in my 6th house. It is opposite my AC at 3* Capricorn, and trine my MC at 25* Libra. The only aspects made to it other than these are as follows (according to astro.com): Uranus Virgo 19* in 8th house sq Jupiter (r) Gemini 28* in 6th and a couple of minor aspects, which I don't know what the symbols mean, but are made by Vesta at 12* cancer in 7th, and Vertex at 13* Leo in 8th. Interestingly enough, Pluto is directly conjunct Uranus in the 8th (Uranus 19* and Pluto 18*), but it is not listed as aspecting Jupiter. In my chart, only one aspect line is drawn, and that is from Uranus to Jupiter. Any thoughts on this one? Jupiter really stands out in my chart, and I have had a whole lot of trouble with my mind and body, as would seem fitting that is Gemini in the 6th house, huh?

Can anybody please help?


11-28-65 9:32am Charleston, WV USA

Jupiter, to Freedom

Freedom,

You have an unaspected Jupiter (expansion, also wisdom), which indicates you do not "connect in" to Jupiter energies. This could result in a desire to learn as much as possible in an attempt to "connect in" to learning energies. The challenge is to accept that you ARE learning, but may not be able to directly be aware of your learning. Since your Jupiter is conjunct (energy is combined with) your Descendant (others), others may be able to help you understand what you know in some way.

Guessing,

Tim

Re: Retrograde Jupiter

Here is some more information on Retrogrades.

Retrogrades and You

Retrograde planets - what do they mean?

• Apparent motion of a faster moving planet passing a slower planet
• Energy patterns you wish to repeat this lifetime
• Planet appears more subconscious
• They are not the step-children in your chart

Retrograde planets - why do I have them?

• Points out a planetary concern you wish to complete
• House location is where you are repeating a life lesson
• Where it rules is also a location of concern
• Gives information of past life lessons

Retrograde planets - what can I do with them?

• Delineate the planet by aspects to other planets
• Separating aspects are past life experiences, applying aspects are this life's lessons
• Accept the planet as an old friend
• Recognize your unique method of working with this energy

Mercury

• A gift of "knowing"
• Learn to trust intuition
• Absorbs knowledge rather than learns it
• House where Mercury falls is the area of prior knowledge and where you choose to play it out this lifetime

Venus

• More subjective in their desires, who and how they love and concerns for financial freedom
• Doesn't want to play by society's rules
• Wants to do "their own thing" without judgment

Mars

• Takes a different course in life
• Would rather take an indirect approach to life behind the scenes
• Can not be pushed into action
• Succeeds in life left to their own instincts

Jupiter

• Person seems to turn inward in their expression
• May be conflict in religion or beliefs
• Has learned the lesson of "when to go for it" and when to "lay in wait"
• Inwardly optimistic individual

Saturn

• Seeks a different type of responsibility and purpose in life
• Builds character to accept small gains in the long process of success
• Fears about having a sense of security needs to be addressed
• May be challenged by authority figures or father

Uranus

• Feels more in control
• May appear to be more orthodox
• Insights into spiritual law
• Works within society's rules
• Can develop principles of knowledge easier for the masses
• Past life has readied them for the unexpected

Neptune

• Gives a passion to serve the need to be needed
• Spiritual warriors of the universe
• Can call upon the mystic side of the universe for guidance
• Learned the expression of service in the last lifetime
• Through sacrifices the person feels loved and useful

Pluto

• Brings in more souls because of duration of retrograde period
• Group comes to change the world
• Can control intense energy
• Manipulates in covert ways without the desire to be in charge
• Wants to be part of the changes in the world

In Closing

• Retrogrades are an important tool
• House placement and where it rules
• Retrogrades should feel like an old friend
• Retrograde planets separating aspects, are past life experiences
• Retrograde planets applying aspects are new life experiences

Shining Ray

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Also on Jupiter in 11th. Does the 11th house rule step children. My partner and I have a child together. My partner has a daughter from a previous relationship. His daughter is my Son's half sister.

Jupiter in Leo 11th opposes Venus in Capricorn 5th. Would you think this Jupiter represents my partners daughter in my life. Or am I completely off track here. My partner's daughter is a Leo.

Shining Ray

Re: Retrograde Jupiter

Also just thought my son is represented by Venus in my 5th house. My 5th house is ruled by Capricorn my Son has Capricorn Moon he is overall a very earth child. The link up to Jupiter in Leo 11th, could be his Leo half sister. This is all beginning to fit together. I am quite amazed if this is true.

Shining Ray

I didn't know that step-children is ruled by the 11th but you are right from my glance on the net. So by looking at your 11th, it just indicates what type of child it would be if you were to have step-children.

In your case, she might be larger than life or overwhelming or maybe physically large even that happens to be jolly or humourous and that has probably a leo bent to her personality - entertaining, demanding, loving, arrogant etc. It being retrograde maybe means that she turns this inside.

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Wow 23 you have just explained this little girls personality exactly. She is not on the Large side but she overeats. She can be overwhelming entertaining and demanding. 23 I have been reading a lot of your posts lately and I have to say your always right you make very good points.

Shining Ray

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Shining Ray said:

Wow 23 you have just explained this little girls personality exactly. She is not on the Large side but she overeats. She can be overwhelming entertaining and demanding. 23 I have been reading a lot of your posts lately and I have to say your always right you make very good points.

Shining Ray

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Thanks, I just have to thank you and others for being my lab rats! Practicing on others and myself helps me get my concepts. I am still very junior though, I still don't understand the physical aspects of astrology and feel that I don't understand basic stuff though.

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Hey your doing fine. Very good. Thanks for calling us Rats . Just kidding but you are a natural at Astrology although you do doubt yourself there is no need. You always pick up on loads of things I miss in the Birth Chart. I do have to work on my analyzing details (North Node Virgo).

Shining Ray

More information I have found on the Retrograde Jupiter

Expansiveness of Jupiter is turned inward. Seeking answers within. You need to grow within before seeking growth in the outside world. The planet is more inner directed. You are Revaluating how the planet is being used.

Before externalizing this planet a great deal of INTERNALIZING is needed first. Only when the internal work is dealt with, can a retrograde once again become outer directed. This can take a lifetime for some.

Jupiter retrograde speaks of a deep introspection of the higher mind. You have "A private sense of faith".

Jupiter retrograde suggests a former incarnation where you may have been violated or denied the ability to convey your spiritual conviction. In this life you are quite determined to express the value of what you believe in to yourself, more than anyone else.

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Sometimes you can lose your own good self in group involvements. There may be a reluctance to express your more individual desires because you are afraid of standing out or being censored by whatever group it is you identify with.

Shining Ray

Would you consider Jupiter retro as in any way similar to Jupiter conjunct Nadir? The references to internalised/introspective connect with my idea of Nadir as the inner world....

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wow ! this is what i was lookin for

Derived houses, to 23

23,

You said:

...I didn't know that step-children is ruled by the 11th...

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This is an example of "derived houses". Derived houses are house meaning created by counting the houses in the chart beginning from some place other than the Ascendant. The 11th house is the house of "step children" because the 11th house is the 5th house (children) away from the 7th house (relationships). So the children (5th house) of our relationship (7th house, here used as the "1rst house") is in the 5th house from the 7th house (the 11th house).

In a different house,

Tim

Re: To Shining Ray

Shining Ray,

I found this information you quoted on this thread. Was there anyone in particular you were posting this for? When I read it, it felt like it was speaking directly to me. I had also had an epiphany yesterday about a prior incarnation in which I was violated/suppressed in this manner. EERIE!!!


"Expansiveness of Jupiter is turned inward. Seeking answers within. You need to grow within before seeking growth in the outside world. The planet is more inner directed. You are Revaluating how the planet is being used.

Before externalizing this planet a great deal of INTERNALIZING is needed first. Only when the internal work is dealt with, can a retrograde once again become outer directed. This can take a lifetime for some.

Jupiter retrograde speaks of a deep introspection of the higher mind. You have "A private sense of faith".

Jupiter retrograde suggests a former incarnation where you may have been violated or denied the ability to convey your spiritual conviction. In this life you are quite determined to express the value of what you believe in to yourself, more than anyone else."

"Sometimes you can lose your own good self in group involvements. There may be a reluctance to express your more individual desires because you are afraid of standing out or being censored by whatever group it is you identify with."

I really feels this applies to me, but am still unsure in what specific way. Anyway, thanks for the post!

Could anyone shed any specific light on the one aspect to retrograde Jupiter in my chart? It is listed as Uranus in Virgo/8th square Jupiter (r) Gemini/6th. However Pluto in Virgo is only separated from Uranus by 1 degree, and so is in a tight conjunct. (8th ruled by Leo) How could this combined energies be squaring my Jupiter. I really feel that this is a major, major stumbling block for me.

I have been meditating on some issues, and I was wondering if this could be connected:

I began reading about the age of 2. By the time I was in first grade, I could pretty much read - with pretty good understanding -about any adult level book put in front of me. I had a photographic memory, and could recall detail with computer-like accuracy. I was always top in my class, but never studied. I soon discovered that people either really admired me for this - or really were jealous and hated me for it. I was always known and labeled by people for my intelligence. I seem to remember somewhere about mid-teens starting to be very uncomfortable with being pigeon-holed this way.

Also, my mother was extremely proud of my intelligence, taking every opportunity to show me off. She also started pushing me to go to college in my mid-teens, but I had no desire to go ( and still don't, and don't regret it). I know my gift had its advantages, but I had no desire to build the foundation of my life on my intelligence, which is what my mother wanted for me.

My intelligence became a double-edged sword for me - a blessing and a curse.

Through the course of my illness the past several years, these abilities had shrunk to barely a shadow of what I was capable of before. As I mentioned in a previous post, a few months ago, I was at times, having problems putting coherent sentences together. My recall ability is much diminished. I usually feel that there is a "clamp" on my mind, and I almost feel "retarded" at times. I have a terrible problem retaining new information. It's like I get very little comprehension of what I read, or it only sticks with me for that day, and by the next, I've forgotten it. If I didn't keep a journal of things I've learned, I would probably not recall much of it from day to day.

For some reason, I keep associating this with my Jupiter retrograde in 6th in Gemini.
Also, 23, I believe, kept pointing out all the squares to my Mercury (r) in Sag in 12th.
Also, Jupiter and Mercury almost form an opposition?

Any thoughts?


Also: I progressed my chart, and the retrograde Jupiter is now in my 4th house @23 Gemini, and is directly opposing Mercury (r) on 10/11house cusp @0 Capricorn. The whole progressed chart is very interesting.....I'm checking on how to get it displayed.... sigh