[isn't this about exactly where Saturn is at this time?]Anaeretic? I got this in a horary for the Quesited in a love question. He's Saturn Rx. Does this mean he's about to change his mind on me and not want to start a relationship?
Do I read it as this?
12 degrees Libra is "Miners Are Surfacing From A Deep Coal Mine."
[isn't this about exactly where Saturn is at this time?]
I don't know Horary, so I don't use it. I have never heard anyone applying Sabians to Horary.
I suggest using a Sabian Oracle. I only use real playing cards.
Ask in this Fashion; If I proceed with factor 'X' what does the result symbolize. If I don't proceed with factor 'X' what does the result symbolize.
Apply as many options [factors] that you wish to check.
Here's a link to a post of mine on how to use a regular deck of cards for this technique.
http://actastrology.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=8
I'm sorry I haven't anything else to suggest.
ptv.
Based on my understanding of degrees and degree areas, this position is too far away to consider it connected with either the 12th or 13 degree of that sign; I would say "no" to your question about his changing his mind, at least as based on the information regarding the degrees you mentioned.
Further, the 11th degree of Libra is neither a pitted degree nor an elevated one, and it is a bright degree (auspicious degree) of Libra.
Symbolically, 11Libra12 corresponds to the 14th Major Arcana Tarot symbol, Tmeperance (interpreted upright)-nothing negative there either...
That would be way cool. I'm eager to look into this!thank you, Sir! I really appreciate his. Can't wait to read it all.
The way you described is right now absolutely perfect for the things that are nagging me and what I need to know. I am basically wonder how to proceed - with two very different extremes in mind. This is great!
And yes, PTV, I've read many delineations where horary astrologers have applied Sabians to their charts. I even saw one that really delved into all the signifactors of the chart and only did that. It was really descriptive of the situation. I'll try to find it for you.
Thank you. I had been taught to read them like this:
Anything past a clean 11 degrees, ie: 11 10' 15" would be read as the next symbol which is 12. Is this incorrect?
I love the rest of the info you shared. Pfew! It's been a long and ardous ride with this guy.....but it seems to be panning out nicely lately. We shall see.
You could call it the 12th degree, if you count 0 degrees as the first degree; problem here is in sign degree numeration: the ancients did not have a concept of 0, so in all their numerations signs began at 1 (degree) and ended at 30 degrees; later-and also using the sign degree numeration now in almost universal application-signs start at 0 degrees and end at 29degrees59minutes59seconds-they do not start at 1 and end at 30. Now, truly 0 degrees is the FIRST degree of each sign, but its numeration is NOT 1, it is 0: hence much confusion when looking at literature where they used signs as from 1 to 30 degrees, compared with the sign degree numeration now in universal use. The original Sabian Symbols were allocated to the degrees based on sign numeration going from 1 to 30 (same with the Charubel and Sepharial symbol systems) Well, degree 1 is now 0 degrees, degree 2 is now 1 degree, and degree 30 is now degree 29, in the common sign numeration we use today.
...so, indeed 11:10 is the 12th old-style numeration degree, and the Sabian Symbol for old-style numeration degree 12 is what applies, but today we refer to this degree as being in the 11 th degree of the sign , NOT in 12th degree!
Now THAT'S a BIG MAN!
And if my tone was offensive to you, please accept my apology!
Many of us have strong opinions and beliefs about a variety of considerations which are very important to us. It is easy to get offended when those are challenged, sometimes even when they only appear to be challenged: furthermore, people like you and I, who have more unusual outlooks than the conventionally accepted, are subject to questionings and doubtings (of our ideas and experiences) more frequently than those who hold more generally accepted ideas, methods, and so on. So, perhaps, we get on the defensive a bit more than other more conventionally-oriented AW members do. You and I have different ideas about a lot of things, but we also share many similar concepts as well; and I'll say right now that many of your ideas make a great deal of sense to me, from my perspective.
Sincerely,
Richard L. Farr
Anaeretic? I got this in a horary for the Quesited in a love question. He's Saturn Rx. Does this mean he's about to change his mind on me and not want to start a relationship?
Do I read it as this?
12 degrees Libra is "Miners Are Surfacing From A Deep Coal Mine."