Re: Chiron Interpretation
Originally Posted by Shining Ray
Hi Sag Moon,
I have read a couple of things which think Chiron should be ruled under Sagittarius. Here is one small article on it. Until I read more, I can't make up my mind.
As you know, I've developed a theory about the significance of the movement of Scorpio to Sagittarius in the astrological wheel. I view it as the bridge to the transpersonal and a rebirth into the cosmic dimension. Scorpio has traditionally been associated with the healer, but I think Sagittarius might govern the actual repair process. Scorpio leads arduously to the source of the wounds, and the Scorpionic surgeon might cut them out violently, or bring knowledge of the importance of elimination, but once that realization is complete, the ongoing process of renewing healthy growth likely takes place in Sagittarius. Chiron was the spiritual physician in mythology and so could the Sagittarian be in actuality.
The Sagittarians I've known have been the most helpful people of all. They do this with true generosity and no complaint. At their best they have a tendency to soothe anxieties and help others recognize that things will be all right. They know what to do to and they're confident. "It will work out", they often say. They sort through things with people, and they're often good-natured. I help everyone in my life without hesitation as soon as the wounds appear, knowing there is a remedy, that anything can heal, and that faith in the process is best. Even death is sometimes the healer. I'm a sympathetic Cancer but I don't attribute my impulse to come to the rescue with first aid to this fact. I connect it to my Moon-Jupiter conjunction in Sagittarius in the 9th house. Healing is a process of regeneration. The liver is the most regenerative part of the human body. The liver is ruled by Jupiter. This makes me think that faith is the fundamental factor in the cure, coming under the auspices of Jupiter and Sagittarius. Scorpio takes us to the decay and that which must be released to revitalize, perhaps Sagittarius gives us the healing techniques backed up by the new spiritual information.
So my conclusion is that a major healing process has been initiated with the transits of Pluto through Scorpio and Sagittarius as the dwarf-planet gets ready to travel the last quadrant of the wheel. The explosion of the Trade Towers with Pluto exactly on the USA ascendant was the start of the regenerating process in America. George Bush was the symbol with his south node in Sagittarius. The south node holds all the information of that sign and he came to disseminate the knowledge as this nation awakened to her identity. It's at 19-20 degrees as well, the place where Jupiter was when the Iraq invasion took place at 29 Pisces signaling an ending.
The passage of Pluto through Scorpio brought major disease to the surface, and the transit of Sagittarius brought the start of the cure, culminating with Jupiter passing through Sagittarius this past year across the USA ascendant. The renewed faith, hard for many to perceive, could be guiding this ongoing restoration from now on as Pluto goes through Capricorn and brings inner structural decay to the forefront. It appears as though the United States might be coming into her role as a more enlightened healer and leader with her Sagittarian ascendant, but not without time and attention paid to her internal maladies in the next few years. The corruption in the system has risen to the top and is fully exposed, part of the curative process. As with Chiron, the wounds are necessary, but the techniques for repair are instinctive and the ability to master life regardless, are there as well, ready to be taught to others, as we move beyond this important step from Scorpio and Sagittarius to full collective engagement.
Other Article on Chiron same site:
Saturn is just about to enter Virgo and the people are ready. It will be the start of the Saturn-Uranus opposition. I was reminded that Chiron is thought of as a bridge between these two entities.
Saturn builds walls and boundaries, and Uranus moves the individual beyond these boundaries into new dimensions, innovative mental territory, and utopian glimpses of the future. A space adventure away from ordinary life on earth, so well established by Saturn. The isolation imposed by the rigid boundaries is necessary for self-improvement, until the time comes to move beyond the constructs to engagement with society in a more expansive universal way. Uranus comes to break up the established order. How this is achieved is unpredictable.
There are many ways to get beyond the wall. There can be a violent breakthrough. There can be a methodical taking apart, sometimes after sudden disruption of some kind. There can be flight above or movement around it, or there can be a dematerializing of a sort and passage right through. I sometimes think that Saturn knows this will happen and possibly builds the walls with the passage in mind, leaving a weak point as we talked about. Do we sometimes miss the way through?
Chiron and Suffering
This connects to the other discussion about the cracks and weaknesses between the rocks being an opening to what is beyond Saturn. Chiron is one of those cracks between those rocks.
The one thing I'd like to see managed is the fixation on the raw pain you mentioned. I think this is one of Chiron's teachings. We live with it. Use it. Trying to find the people who caused it and inflicting punishment have never ever worked. Many people are crying over things that happened long ago, and miss the fact that there is raw difficulty right now to deal with. If attention is paid, maybe the past suffering would ease. There is a mechanism in humans to diminish this ongoing suffering in between bouts.
What facets of being human compel us to evolve and take things into ourselves instead of projecting and condemning those outside? The perfect example you deal with frequently is people with self loathing who hate the evil authorities. This is where I see Sagittarius and Jupiter at their best, when insight and the higher mind are turned inward to injest and digest shadow projections.
I remember vividly as a child one summer in camp when I was chosen to do a song and dance number. The song was Me and My Shadow, and it was done in cane and top hat style with one of the other kids as my shadow, as I recall. A very very memorable moment.
I'm convinced that Chiron is about teaching that suffering is not inflicted gratuitously, but meant to instruct. When a person opens up to cosmic dimensions there is a tendency to forget the pain. This is Chiron, who didn't complain about his wound. He found remedies. I've experienced this often when I'm in pain and go out in the world among people. I often forget about the hurt. So Chiron isn't concerned with opening old wounds. Just keeping them. He's interested in education and passage to broader dimensions understanding the place for pain. And I think Uranus frees people somewhat from the restrictions of these earthly wounds, the Saturnian reminders of limitation, as they leave their bodies to an extent in search of mental connection.
I am not covinced that Chiron is ruled by Virgo in the least.
It has a high affinity for placements in Tarus,Sag and Pisces IMO. Seeing that it orbits between Sa/Ur there might be a case for it being ruled`
As I mentioned a lot can be said for the time of the Return at 51yrs. old and the fact that in the SA chart it's a time for the Spetile aspect to be prominent.
The Teacher and Healing aspects of Chiron are highlighted. The wounding does not need be a nagging issue unless it is afflicted in the health houses.
As I also mentioned it does not seem well placed in Aries.Why I do not know or rather have not thought of he reason,but I have noticed tose having it placed there seem to have a bad time with it there.