Originally Posted by Elianah
Okay, this has been rolling around in my mind for some time and I guess this is time to address it.
As I continue to develop my own astrological language and interpretive style, I find myself struggling with the concepts of Karmic, Evolutionary and Soul-centered astrology as taught by some of their practitioners.
:shock: :shock: BEWARE! Heretical things are about to be said. Read on at your own discretion.
What I do not believe is that Pluto is the soul and its relationship to the lunar nodes and its polarity point tells us the story of the soul.
I also do not believe in some of the Esoteric Astrology principles in Soul-centered astrology because, after reading some of Alice Bailey's and Madam Blatvatsky's works, I do not believe that the Creative Source has created and Esoteric-Metaphysical Darwinism where only the members of a specified group will actually be able to ascend to the next phase of man's evolution.
However, I do feel that I am an evolutionary, soul-centered astrologer that has a keen eye on the effects the choices that people make can have.
I am in a quandry and lost and I am not sure how to resolve this. I guess that Merc/Pluto conjunction in Virgo in the 9th wants to find where I fit in (not to mention my Leo Sun—I don't think my Sag rising gives a rat's a** about it).
I like whatever's happened recently to you Elianah! Or maybe it's me!?!
Boy I wish I knew more about the differences between -
"Soul Centered" astrology
but I don't so I'll just roll with this because it's so interesting.
I've never heard that "....pluto is the soul and its relationship to the lunar nodes and its polarity point tells us the story of the soul."
and it dosen't ring true with me either. I don't think any one planet represents our "SOULS" but that's just me. I'm reminded of a special teaching from the very wise old man that I took astrology classes from in the mid 1970s. He only taught how to erect charts and refused to teach about chart interpretation, which I think was profoundly wise of him. Anyway one day I approached him with my newly drawn up natal chart and asked him where THE most important point in the whole chart was. He said nothing but tapped the exact center of the chart where NOTHING is! Nice huh? He was a gem.....
"....I do not believe that the Creative Source has created and Esoteric-Metaphysical Darwinism where only the members of a specified group will actually be able to ascend to the next phase of man's evolution."
Again I haven't read much of H.P.B.'s or Bailey's stuff about this even though I was raised (from age five to eighteen) with Theosophy (3rd generation) and many of her books are staring at me from across the room now! Sigh..... And I'm not certain that I totally understand what you're saying so I'm possibly on dangerous ground here. :shock:
This subject keeps coming up again and again in different non Astrological websites I visit, on different threads at them, and it's a very touchy subject with a lot of people!!! But that makes sense to me because I've been on the other side of this strange setting all my life, taken a ton of **** because of it, and it only now is coming out into the 'Light' once again. In other words I feel like I've lived all my life with this burden but only recently is it being openly discussed or rather hotly argued about now. About this 'Ascension' business as I understand it.....
The words from a Paul Simon song waft through my brain singing.... "One man's ceiling is another man's floor....."
and that pretty much sums the whole messy business up! All of humanity is not currently at the exact same evolutionary level. It's never been hence the wide variety of problems, beliefs, abilities, development etc. etc. Let me quickly add that this is IMO, perfectly natural and the way it is
On another thread we were talking about this same issue I think but in a more round about way through the major transits and how some people get the most out of them and how other people don't! For numerous reasons they simply will not deal with certain things (usually Saturn!!!) but keep on 'keepin' on' regardless like the walking dead in many cases! Right at that point there's a huge schism between groups of souls living side by side on the planet at the same time.
Add to that the other group of souls who do their personal 'work' through the same transits and face their personal demons, fears and transmute what must be transmuted before they can move on to the next phase or level. Now do this same thing over many incarnations with both of these groups of people and after awhile the imbalances become really miserable for all concerned! Only some of the souls who've done the work (I know you know what I mean by that so I won't elaborate) and increased their vibratory rate fast and high enough to be able to NOT be destroyed by moving into the next finer plane, will. The one's who haven't as yet will not move on yet but remain where they can continue working on exactly what they need to.
So......is one group better than the other group? Of course not but many get their panties in a twist over this which I find really ridiculous!!! We don't look down our noses at the people in grade 4 if we're in grade 2 or grade 12. Its just the way it is.
I'm afraid that I just vented things here that should have been said at many of those other sites I mentioned! But it wouldn't have done much good if I had. It will here.