Madammaha: Thank you so much for your well wishes and for putting things in proper perspective. I don't believe in flukes, so I definitely think me joining this forum and starting this thread is significant, especially seeing all the fruitful discussion it's generated thus far and will hopefully continue to generate for others all for the sake of learning. I will definitely look to the easy aspects of Saturn to uncover various approaches to mitigate the more uncomfortable aspects.
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Originally Posted by Svencanz
Hi Ethertwist,
Since everybody is commenting on this, I decided to take a look and add my thoughts. I’d say we are talking about three groupings of planets that to some extent overlap.
The first grouping: Chiron, Venus, Jupiter, Mercury and Mars – all fall within a two-degree orb. This is a significant structure.
The second grouping constists of Pluto and Uranus.
The third grouping, if you can call it that, consists of Neptune – which does aspect the second grouping. This division will make more sense in a moment...
(I work with three-degree orbs only, and I put far less importance on signs than most astrologers – and even less on houses. I work with aspects.)
Let’s start with the first grouping and Saturn’s transit against it: In November of 2010, Saturn came in to form a quincunx against Chiron and a square against Venus.
Your natal Chiron to Venus sextile is very tight, adding importance. It’s a great aspect to have, and one that has bearing on committed (and karmic) relationships, as well as other stuff.
When Saturn makes a ‘clash’ aspect to both of those (Magi Astrology term; when Saturn is involved, the quincunx is a clash, otherwise it’s a positive aspect.)
This transit could have been felt from the middle of October.
After passing this critical point at November 20 or so, Saturn then catches the rest of the planets in the first grouping. However, these transits are not ‘clashes’ - they are sextiles and a trine to Mars – so the comment that you could ‘work’ on whatever it is certainly has bearing on the situation. While Saturn transits to personal planets (and to Jupiter) is not about smelly roses, these transits are ‘not too bad.’
Saturn then carries on, and just manages to ‘snag’ the second grouping during January and February this year. Now, in my book Saturn only has three possible meanings – anything else is a derivative of those: tragedy, control and science.
The ‘good things’ with the transits to the second grouping are: Saturn to Uranus is the least disruptive Saturn transit: it can be quite constructive; and, Saturn conjunct Pluto has a bit of a ‘Magician’ flavour – taking control of power (and other Pluto symbolisms.)
So that adds to the ‘work and transformation’ feeling of what’s happening.
Just after having gone retro during January, Saturn then heads back to the first grouping, transiting it during March and April. Note that Saturn did not transit Neptune, which is why I call Neptune a ‘grouping’ in this case.
During this second pass of the first grouping, Jupiter also comes rocketing through the structure: this is of help.
Okay, now I will have to correct myself, by adding another group, which I will call group Zero. The node and Saturn around 10 degrees – which was first transited in October of 2010: this adds to the karmic and ‘work’ flavour...
This group Zero is then transited again (Saturn, at least) in June.
Saturn creates another ‘snag’ – and these types of transits, where a planet tightly ‘loops’ a position are highly significant. In this case, taking control of tragedy through science, would be one possible interp.
After going direct in June, Saturn then continues forward, aspecting the first grouping during August; the second and third groupings during September.
You get a bit of a rest during parts of October, and then you’ll have your first Saturn square Sun transit in November, second in May and third in August of 2012.
But now you got some practise under your belt – and as the Sun is unaspected in the longitudes, at least (you have Mars and Neptune aspecting the Sun in the deks, just like me) it could well be ‘easier’.
Cheers,
Sven
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Sven: I'm so unbelievably grateful to you for taking the time to delineate things for me in such great depth. I never expected that and I truly appreciate i! You've nailed my "groupings" without even having seen my chart! It's very interesting that you identify November 20 as a critical point. My current situation devolved rapidly over the weekend of of November 12-14. Very close to that critical date you highlighted. I'm really curious how you define the "science" outcome of a Saturn transit? It makes me think of Tarot and the Thoth deck 6 of Swords (the Lord of Science), which is all about healing and recovery.
In the Zero grouping, you mentioned my natal node and Saturn at 9 & 10 degrees Virgo. What aspect did Saturn make to those in October and will be making again in June? I'm not as well versed on the minor aspects, aside from the quincunx, which I've studied a bit of.
Strangely enough, I'm not as nervous about the upcoming Saturn-Sun activity. I feel in some strange way those energies may be less confusing and challenging for me this time around having really mined the depths of it when Saturn conjuncted my Sun and my ascendant shortly thereafter about six or seven years ago (and I made it through my Saturn Return in '08 just fine!), but it's always a wild card I suppose. I am kind of pleased to have it be crossing my IC and leaving behind the period of "obscurity" it's sometimes referred to as when Saturn transits the 1-3 houses in a chart.
One upcoming time period I'm especially curious about is the Aries new Moon on April 3, 2011. The Sun and Moon will be at 13 Aries opposite Saturn at 13 Libra, which will be forming an exact T-square to my natal Venus at 13 Cancer. I can't help but think that early April will see some critical activity given the overwhelming predominance of planets in Aries and this very pointed new moon that seems to be drawing my attention right to my natal Venus.
I never intended this thread to become a "read my chart" sort of thing, but I figure I'll go ahead and post my chart since it's been pretty well outlined so far!
Thank you again everyone for all the amazing contributions!!!