Thanks for the info! Oh well, a lot of threads get away from people. W.

You said: Earth Sign, maybe your strange quote from Rev. Redwine says it all. Is this a real person?

No, he isn't real. He's a character in the book The Sirens of Titan by Kurt Vonnegut. Thanks the thoughtful reply to my thread, by the way. I've been silent because the thread has gone beyond me.