Who's going to be the next pres...?

[blueheron]

John McCain has been pushed as the GOP shoe-in by mainstream media. But his chart shows differently.





http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll204/yanaar/astrochrts/astro_2gw_11_john_mccain_57405_1-1.gif



As can be seen, McCain has a Venus/Neptune conjunction at 16-22 degrees of Virgo in the 12th, showing secret love affairs among other things. Immediately one recalls the Vicki Iseman scandal.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/02/20/vicki-iseman-who-is-mcca_n_87692.html

Saturn is headed precisely to the position of McCain's natal Venus/Neptune conjunction. Saturn often forces out the truth. McCain's natal saturn is at 20 degrees of pisces. Transiting uranus will conjunct his natal saturn throughout the fall of '08 and beginning of '09. With transiting Uranus in opposition to his natal Venus/Neptune conjunction, this scandal could well re-surface unexpectedly, and bury McCain. With saturn ruling his 4th house, unexpected upheavals involving his nadir/MC axis is shown. (Cindy won't like it... ) These uranian events are likely to put an end to McCain.

If that's not enough, take a look again at his 12th. Do you see malefics in this house? Enough to support his war hero record of having been imprisoned by the Vietcong? I don't think so, and either to these guys:

http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnmccain.com/

I'm old enough to remember the McCain scandal in Nam. Seemed like the whole counter-culture knew that he'd become a Vietcong Collaborator after his plane crashed. I find it absolutely beyond astounding that he's running on his fake POW record. There are documents that prove he had collaborated with the Vietcong, and had earned the nickname "songbird." It would be just like transiting saturn opposing transiting uranus to foretell that somehow these documents will be found (unexpectedly), and "leaked."

So, it's unlikely that McCain will politically survive the Uranus opposition Saturn transit to his natal Venus/Neptune conjunction opposing natal Saturn. (anyone else care to take up the transit of Pluto to McCain's nodes?)


http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll204/yanaar/20688647401.jpg



I'll post O'bama, Hillary, and Ron Paul later... and hopefully make a good case that'll expose the winner. ;)

[blueheron]

Now let's take a look at Hillary:

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll204/yanaar/70ff.jpg


Just kidding. Here's her chart:



http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll204/yanaar/astrochrts/astro_w2gw_13_hillary_clinton_hp-1.gif


As can be seen (even with some variable of time of birth,) her Moon is at 22 degrees of pisces. Where is transiting Uranus? It's at 21-19 degrees of pisces through Nov '08. With that transit, there's no way to predict anything but the unpredictable for Hillary. But will she make it to the finish?

Take a closer look at her Asc/Desc axis. Variation in birth time notwithstanding, her Asc/Desc axis is 22 degrees Scorpio/Taurus. Transiting Uranus makes a trine to the Desc. Do you really think Bill is going to hang around the White House happily being "first man?"

http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2008/02/15/bubba-slips-leash-goes-back-on-attack/

http://conservemus.com/2008/02/27/bill-clinton-on-a-short-leash%E2%80%A6finally/

That transit of Uranus could well mean that finally... at long last... Hillary and Bill unexpectedly (classic Uranus style) get divorced. (I am cheating a little... divorce is shown in their vedic charts.)

Oh... one other thing about the private life of Hillary...
Apparently she swings both ways, and has an adulterous affair of her own:

http://blog.indecision2008.com/2007/11/08/scandalgate-hillary-clinton-our-2nd-lesbian-president/

http://www.lesbianstudies.com/oldsite/hillary.htm

http://www.rightpundits.com/?p=987

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll204/yanaar/Huma_Abedin-1.jpg



Other problems Hillary has to face:

http://www.uhuh.com/clinton/list-cli.htm

http://www.newmediajournal.us/staff/swirsky/03132006.htm

The transit of Uranus opposition Saturn is likely to toss the Clintons into the air like a deck of cards, with no one knowing where any card will land.

It is improbable, that Hillary will politically survive the last battles of the race (no pun intended. :D )

[blueheron]

Barack O'bama... mystery politician. From out of nowhere he suddenly appears on the national stage. Wonder if this has anything to do with the placement of his natal uranus on his MC?

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll204/yanaar/astrochrts/astro_w2gw_12_barack_obama_hp_58-1.gif


He could disappear just as suddenly as he has appeared (Uranus can do that!)

Notice his Venus? One degree Cancer and 30 minutes in the 8th. Where is Pluto headed? It's going precisely into opposition with his natal Venus. So, what about his wife Michelle? She has some answering to do about racism, and Pluto is not likely to be kind.

http://www.the-pork.com/Topic835955-12-1.aspx#bm836066

http://axisofright.com/2008/02/19/michelle-obama-is-proud/


Next, find the placement of mars in Barack's natal chart. At 22 degrees of Virgo, looks like the upcoming Saturn/Uranus opposition is going smack dab center on his Mars. Dunno about you, but that aspect has me nervous. O'bama could turn out to be a very loose cannon.

And Reverend Wright, who married Barack and Michelle, is not being helpful:

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=25659

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hPR5jnjtLo

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/Story?id=4443788

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll204/yanaar/Hater-1.jpg

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll204/yanaar/reverend-wright.jpg



So, O'bama has an obstacle course ahead, and with transiting Uranus opposing his Mars, alongside natal Uranus at his MC, together with transiting Pluto opposing his natal Venus, things do not bode well for the O'bama's.

[olavay]

I agree and disagree. In looking at Hillary's chart closely, the 4th, 9th, and 11th house form a divine triangle 26 degree pointing towards the Moon in Pisces of 22 degrees in the 4th house. Pisces is the most mystical as far as the emotions and the clairvoyant senses are concerned. Pluto, Mars, and Saturn seem to be having a most interesting conversation for Hillary, all of them in the 9th House. The 9th House rules publishing, legal, foreigners etc. By concentrating on the humanitarian side of all issues which fall under these issues, Hillary can use her 26 vibration (10/26/1947) to create balanced creative partnerships amongst peers and find strong allies to champion her cause as shown by the 11th house placement of Uranus in Libra by choosing to use the positive placements and focusing all goals on the integration of these aspects one can overcome the negative counter energy, this is the Au-Ag, balance as depicted in the 11th Tarot, Justice, the scales and balance also Libra, or the Goddess Themis. The Pisces placement of the moon shows a strong sympathy for those disenfranchised or "underdogs" types. By reaching out to create a balance between the two castes, (rich vs. poor) a new balance is manifested, thus alchemy. I think we often times concentrate so much on the negative aspects that we lose sight of the Ciccada of a situation, The Scales can always be tipped in one's favor when it is a choice based on the common good, and that is what this aspect shows, clearly. The 9th house or nine as we learn in astrolgy is about conflict, humanitarianism, and the extreme of karmic results. For it the completion of anything in level terms, but unlike the 7th does not allow for the unexpected, rather perseverance learned in the 8th house of reproduction, rebirth. Before anything is weighed it must first completely be accounted for i.e. "votes", analyzed, and determined in value of joint interests, i.e. can anything of value be of use? This part points to the 11th house to answer the question based on unbiased wisdom, yes Hillary can find uses for those who had none. This also points to other Universal changes in looking at the planetary movement and using the Tarot, and Qabbalic numbering and alphabet classification system.

It also shows secrets will be revealed and World Politics will take center stage as politicians enter into cycles of "revelation".

The Moon's placement shows strong undercurrents of change effected by emotion. Objectivity is needed, the strength of Libra or the scales, thus the action of "tipping" the balance in one's favor.

All that is of good use will be kept and that which no longer serves a purpose, as the 26 degree or Golden Mean interplay between the Mars,Pluto, and Saturn-- all show World changing Polar shifts of Power.

I would be happy to hear your further thoughts.

Ola

[olavay]

Per Obama--

I agree, his Golden Mean shows activity in the 11th, 8th, and 3rd houses. All pointing to hidden expression for power. Will he make the proper use of the power with the limited experience? His Sun and Mercury show he has a gift for saying what people want to hear most. My Mother called these kind of people Ear Ticklers, don't get me wrong these type of leaders make great motivationalists because they know how to manipulate the tongue of wisdom, like fine tuned radios they can enter a room and perceive the best way to speak. But, alas the lack of experience shown by lack of placement in the 6th house show "service to others" is not high on his personal priority list. This can show and a tendence to overindulge the Leo Sun.

[blueheron]

It also shows secrets will be revealed and World Politics will take center stage as politicians enter into cycles of "revelation".

This one is interesting. The Clintons have the power to bring the Bush/Cheney establishment down. How did they go from this:

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll204/yanaar/bill-hillary-clinton.jpg


To this:


http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll204/yanaar/HillaryandBill-1.jpg

Hillary and Bill had been 60s radicals. Totally anti-establishment. How did that change? Now they're in this enigmatic situation.

They could sure bring the establishment down now if they decided to "tell all."

Bill's chart:

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll204/yanaar/astrochrts/astro_w2gw_14_bill_clinton_hp_72-1.gif



Look at his Mars, buried in Libra, and conjuncted by Venus and Neptune. Does this guy ever stand up for himself? Looks like Hillary really does wear the pants in this marriage.

I hope you're right about "secrets to be revealed." ;)

[blueheron]

Per Obama--

I agree, his Golden Mean shows activity in the 11th, 8th, and 3rd houses. All pointing to hidden expression for power. Will he make the proper use of the power with the limited experience? His Sun and Mercury show he has a gift for saying what people want to hear most. My Mother called these kind of people Ear Ticklers, don't get me wrong these type of leaders make great motivationalists because they know how to manipulate the tongue of wisdom, like fine tuned radios they can enter a room and perceive the best way to speak. But, alas the lack of experience shown by lack of placement in the 6th house show "service to others" is not high on his personal priority list. This can show and a tendence to overindulge the Leo Sun.

Lust for power is confirmed in O'bama's Vedic chart. A Mars affliction shows that he'll do anything to get the power he craves. He's a good speaker for sure. But there's a lot of baggage trailing his political travails.

[blueheron]

McCain's Solar Return for 08;

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll204/yanaar/astrochrts/astro_w2gw_16_sr_mccain_8_29_08_-1.gif



As you can see, a Sun/Saturn conjunction is in the SR 6th. Saturn being lord of the 11th suggests that friends will be difficult. Saturn also suggests a health problem.

The MC has a Pluto conjunction. Pluto makes you crave whatever house and sign it's placed in describes, but denies access until the transformational criteria of Pluto is satisfied. John McCain is not working on the transformation of his consciousness, so we can expect Pluto to deliver it's darker side to his Midheaven.

it's unlikely that McCain will politically survive the Uranus opposition Saturn transit to his natal Venus/Neptune conjunction opposing natal Saturn.


It doesn't look good for the GOP Bush/McCain plan.

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll204/yanaar/mccainDummy.jpg

[blueheron]

Here is McCain's Lunar Return 11/4/08:

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll204/yanaar/astrochrts/astro_w2gw_17_lr_11_4_08_mccain_-1.gif


Venus at the MC receives a square from Saturn on the Desc, and from Uranus on the Asc. Some highly unexpected last minute upheaval to his MC can be expected. Does not bode well for McCain. He won't make it.


http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q258/costello_07/defeat.jpg

[LionKing]

I bet Hillary will quit tonight. Her ruler (Mars) in the 8th house goes in a sextile with all of those other planets that are combust. Ha! I forget what states are participating, but when I saw all that combustion in the area of 9pm or 10pm, it didn't look good.
I wrote this on 1230AM on the June 3. I'm anxious to see what happens tonight. So if I'm wrong... we can all laugh together, ha! V/r LionKing :sunny:

[margaretsleo]

I hope hillary doesn't quit tonight!

[Courtney Love]

PLugging birth data for both Obama and McCain into my Magi Astrology showing transits on election night, it gives an overwhelming victory for McCain.

Mainly, McCain will have THREE tight Cinderella transits (Neptune/Chiron, Chiron/neptune, pluto/chiron) while Obama has none... If Magi Astrology is as accurate as they claim, this unfortunately will be no contest.

[Matthew The Astrologer]

Sadly, regardless of one's political opinions (and I know I have mine) I think the astrology and the public-record weirdness around voting machines already show clearly who the winner of the next US election is going to be:

http://matthewastrology.blogspot.com/2008/08/winner-of-2008-presidential-election-is.html

And if that is the case, here's an interesting study in the character (or lack thereof) of your future Vice-President:

http://matthewastrology.blogspot.com/2008/09/strange-case-of-trig-palin.html

You have no idea how much I hope I'm wrong about all this.