SA/PL cycle

[Futurist]

Although I am new to this forum, some of you might already have gathered that my main interest lies in outer planetary cycles and tracking the unfoldment of whatever is enfolded within them.

So, it may be of interest to someone else out there that we are at the 135 stage of the SA/PL cycle and Iraq is drawing every closer to civil war today after bombs devestated the Golden Mosque of al-Askari. The 135 stage of this cycle occurred on 1 Jan and will be exact again on 30 June and at this time we are witnessing agitation in all those matters that historically resonate to this cycle. it has also become the cycle that symbolises Al-Qaeda

Looking back in history we should find similar occurences which on this revolution are re - evolving. And so we do - On Aug 21 1969 the exact date of the 135 phase of the last SA/PL cycle, the al-aqsa mosque in Jerusalem was destroyed by arson.

Cycle tracking is a very powerful mundane technique and I feel should take precedent over judging transits to charts in natal astrology too. The transits tend to fill in the details.

By the way, the upcoming 135 falls at 10 Leo on the Uranus of the Iraq republic chart and on the MC of a 2pm 4 July 1776 USA chart. Perhaps watching what occurs around this date will provide more fuel for the debate about the time of signing the declaration!

[Radu]

Do you use a particular software for studying these cycles? Such as Zodiac by Javier Reinoso, or some other?

I might develop a little program to plot graphically the cycles, it wouldn't be much trouble, if you wish, for easier study, just tell me what you need or how would you use it.

[Futurist]

Hi Radu,

That's extremely generous and thoughtful of you. Actually though luckily I already have the perfect tool which is The Tables Of Planetary Phenomena by Michelsen. Perhaps I should become an affilliate and get commission because I would say this is one of THE must haves for all astrologers. There is nothing like it. It's packed with info but he also lists all outer planet conjunctions back thru to -500BC and then in seperate tables lists all the 0 45 90 120 135 and 180 etc aspects back to 1700 and forward to 2050.

It's an indispensable bit of my main toolkit along with my software, my ephemerides (obviously) Book of World Horoscopes, Mundane astrology by Harvey, Baigent and Campion, my Midpoint books and Munkaseys Thesaurus. Just thought I'd add that list for anyone reading who wants to get any of the above.
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[Futurist]

Hi again Radu,

I am very well accustomed to synchronicity in my life but even I took a sharp intake of breath. Literally moments after I wrote that last reply, I opened a book to read something unrelated to SA/PL and read this .........

'patient analysis is needed to establish the hierarchies of the different cycles and to isolate the principles by which different cycles interrelate and are 'triggered'. This is a job for which computer graphics techniques will need to be developed. A series of astrocartographs superimposed one upon another on the map of the globe is one obvious approach. Without such analysis forecasting must remain a relatively hit-and-miss affair because of the many hundreds of cycles and charts from which to work'

Wow - think the Universe is saying something here? I have astrocartography software but not the ability to superimpose one over another. So, if you were interested in furthering the cause it looks like that's what is needed. However I cannot see how you have time when you moderate and run this site and everything else I'm sure you do, so don't go out of your way. Perhaps it's something for you to add to the site though at some stage??
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[Radu]

This is how life works for me lately... It's a clear message that I have to do this, in my spare time.

However I don't think the excerpt in your book referred to A*C*G but rather to graphical representation of planetary cycles - such as SA/PL, they relative positions to each other, right? Please clarify this point for me.

[Futurist]

Hi again,

No, I quote verbatim. However I see your point. I think that as it specifically mentions overlaying over maps of the globe that it must be some derivative (or amalgamation) of A*C*G I am not technically minded, sometimes even the graphic ephemeris confuses the hell out of me, so I have trouble getting my head around this one I'm afraid. I'll stick to my books !
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[astrophile]

Do you use a particular software for studying these cycles? Such as Zodiac by Javier Reinoso, or some other?

I might develop a little program to plot graphically the cycles, it wouldn't be much trouble, if you wish, for easier study, just tell me what you need or how would you use it.

Hello All
(nice site & forum Radu) I was intrigued by this graphic representation idea as for a long time I've been drawing my own versions of this by hand and would love a piece of software to do it for me. I use Astrolog alot myself and would love it if such a chart could be implemented in that (it's open source) but I didn't have any luck asking the Astrolog Yahoo Group. I guess it involves alot of work.
Anyway, what I do is plot the date or time horizontally and the orb of the aspect/s vertically, so that you have a triangle coming to a point at the top of the graph as the aspect becomes exact. It's a good way of seeing at a glance which aspects on any given date are applying and how strong they are compared to any other concurrent ones. I'm quite a visual person, so I find it alot nicer than a list of words and numbers!
If you were up to writing something that could do this Radu, you'd have my eternal gratitude and I dare say I wouldn't be the only one to find it useful.
Having said all that, maybe there's something out there that already does this???

- Astrophile

[Draco]

Hi Futurist,

I am intrigued by what you're saying here, but could you tell me what you mean by the '135 stage' of the cycle. Do you mean in degrees?

Draco :wink:

[Draco]

Hi Futurist,

I am intrigued by what you're saying here, but could you tell me what you mean by the '135 stage' of the cycle. Do you mean in degrees?

Draco :wink:

[Radu]

Ok, guys, have a look at http://cycles.astrologyweekly.com (http://cycles.astrologyweekly.com).

The ascending graphics represent the waxing part of the cycle, the descending one - the waning part.
The graphics cannot be saved as images yet, but you can always print the page.

Kathryn, please tell me what orb to use for these cycles. You have more experience with them. I would like to add a colored band of orb around each aspect line, so that it might be easy to notice the periods when the planets are within orb of aspect.

If you find any bugs or malfunctions, please tell me. Also, comments and suggestions are welcome, they are needed to improve the program.

[astrophile]

Ok, guys, have a look at http://cycles.astrologyweekly.com (http://cycles.astrologyweekly.com).

The ascending graphics represent the waxing part of the cycle, the descending one - the waning part.
The graphics cannot be saved as images yet, but you can always print the page.

Kathryn, please tell me what orb to use for these cycles. You have more experience with them. I would like to add a colored band of orb around each aspect line, so that it might be easy to notice the periods when the planets are within orb of aspect.

If you find any bugs or malfunctions, please tell me. Also, comments and suggestions are welcome, they are needed to improve the program.

That's brilliant Radu :D Did you just knock that up this afternoon or was it already there?! I wish I could do programming!
Would it be possible to display more than one cycle on the same chart, using different coloured lines?
Also would a similar type of idea be possible for the inner planets on a very small time-scale? I'm thinking of a 24 hour snapshot of all current aspects within 1 or 2 degrees of orb? Obviously there'd be no cycles to display, just straight lines, but that's what I draw longhand to get an impression of a day's "astro-weather". (I like precision!)
I suppose you could vary the timescale from 1 day to 1 week or 1 month. Anyway, it's a bit of a challenge to say the least. Many thanks for this outer planet one regardless.

[astrophile]

I should add that the vertical scale I use is just the universal orb with 2 at the bottom and 0 at the top, with each line labelled for which aspect it represents.

[Futurist]

Hi Draco and Radu,

draco - 135 is the sequiquadrate and 3/8th of the circle.

I just went to my Charles Harvey book and found you this...

' the -45- and the -135- aspects always mark significant testing moments within a cycle, for at this point the seed idea is asserting itself and manifesting itself in the world'

Hope that help/explains

Radu,

Amazing!! Did you just do that? What a great tool for everyone. To answer your question John Addey states that when using harmonics 'the orb must diminish in direct proportion to the number of the harmonic' In this case 8th. This is because you are dividing the harmonic wave. However my computer programme is set up for natal charts and I have defaulted the settings. So rightly or wrongly, I use orbs of 8-10 degrees for the 0, 90, 180 and 6-8 degrees for the 'minor' (not minor at all)

However, as you know, lots of times due to retrogradation an aspect will repeat in a year. In these cases I think the whole period seems to be charged even when they technically may slip out of your designated orbs.

While I'm here I'll just let you know that I wrote an article today on the JU/UR cycle and 2010 and I've just posted it to my weblog site.
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[Radu]

Thank you Astrophile and Futurist.

Astrophile: I added the second cycle. I'll be thinking about the inner planets on a very short time range, as you suggested; at this point I don't quite have it clear in my mind. Thanks for the challenge!

Futurist: I set 8 degrees for major aspects and 4 for the minor one. 6 degree for semisextile seems too much to me. Below is a screenshot for the graphic of the 2010 Jupiter-Uranus cycle you referred to; From this graphic, Jupiter and Uranus will be with orb of aspect from May 2010 to March 2011.

http://www.publicupload.com/files/jupiteruranus2010.gif (http://www.publicupload.com)

[astrophile]

[quote="Radu"]Thank you Astrophile and Futurist.

Astrophile: I added the second cycle. I'll be thinking about the inner planets on a very short time range, as you suggested; at this point I don't quite have it clear in my mind. Thanks for the challenge!

Thanks Radu, it's a great little tool (and fun to watch plotting itself across the screen!)

[Javier Reinoso]

So, it may be of interest to someone else out there that we are at the 135 stage of the SA/PL cycle and Iraq is drawing every closer to civil war today after bombs devestated the Golden Mosque of al-Askari. The 135 stage of this cycle occurred on 1 Jan and will be exact again on 30 June and at this time we are witnessing agitation in all those matters that historically resonate to this cycle. it has also become the cycle that symbolises Al-Qaeda

Well, one person write in me forum about the comentary of me cycles window and, for curiosity, I go to this forum...

Before all, I like the interface of this forum, is nice!!!

Well, about the civil war I believe the relations between Saturn and Neptune - at now an opossition, overalls from september 2006 in advance - have relation about this wars, is logical, neptune is a conflict between different Social classes or Ethnic groups, Pluto is more between powers...

The USA civil war have a saturn neptune dinamyc in about 1861-62, the spanish civil war begin in 1936 with saturn opo neptune, in 1927 are a stong civil war in China, and some others civil conflicts appear have coincidence with Saturn Neptune, inclusively, for example, Nikita Kruchev is demoted by Breznev in 1963 with Saturn Neptune square, in 1997-98 - a year 1997 with almost nothing conflicts and the more armonic possitions of the XX century - are a civil war in Liberia and a Islamic Terrorism Local in Argelia...

I am not totally sure, but I believe Saturn Neptune have relations with civil conflicts...

Saturn Pluto are very relationed with terrorism - at now, is a conflict between powers, in the past wars between nations, but at this moment is difficult a war between nations, the terrorism is the medium of the nations with not nuclear weapons or similar -...

Saturn Neptune is a War between different Social classes or Ethnic groups in a nation... Inmigration is almost general problem in the differents societies, etc...

A good book, for me, about all of this is the "Horoscope for the New Millennium" of Alan Meece, predict very well the 2006, write about how in 2006-2007 the inmigration and problems with Iran (Iran Revolution of 1979 is in a Square Saturn Neptune):

http://www.california.com/~eameece/book.htm

Well, good day... Good forum!!! Sorry for me bad English...

Javier...

PD: Also Saturn Neptune have relation with speculations in markets...

[Futurist]

Thanks Javier,

I can see that book staring at me from my shelves right now. I will go and take a look at it. I do agree with what you say and to be used effectively all these cycles must be seen within the broader context of a hierarchy of cycles. The two are currently intertwining.

[Javier Reinoso]

Thanks Javier,

I can see that book staring at me from my shelves right now. I will go and take a look at it. I do agree with what you say and to be used effectively all these cycles must be seen within the broader context of a hierarchy of cycles. The two are currently intertwining.

Always all cycles are in interaction...

I believe the Saturn Pluto trine between 2006-2008 calm the world, is a relation very stable...

Here upload the times of the 2 cycles, saturn trine pluto:

http://www.verdades.net/Ciclos_Mundial_From_29-Jul-2006_To_01-Oct-2008_SatM-PluM.gif

and saturn opossition pluto:

http://www.verdades.net/Ciclos_Mundial_From_27-Sep-2004_To_03-Feb-2009_SatM-NepM.gif

In 2009-2010 begin the big show - I go in 3 months to live to Chile (I live in the past 4 years there), in me comprension of Astrology, I not like to live in the north hemisphere in 2009-2010 to 2017, very dangerous, I believe is possible Chile are the better country for live the next ultra crisis (Uranus square Pluto between 2010-2017 aprox are very very very dangerous with Nuclear Weapons and many other weapons in the world) -:

http://www.verdades.net/Mundial-Natal-30-Jul-2010-02-32-16pm.gif

Good day...