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04-10-2008, 11:00 PM
Jake is one of my 3 cats. He is about 6-7 yrs old. He was here when I moved to my place in 2005 and he adopted me. I had him fixed and keep all his shots up to date. He has been very healthy, sees vet yearly unless sick and sees him then. He has not been acting as though he was well for about 3 days. I took the 1st day as he just wanted to lay around in the house. The 2nd day I knew he was sick. I took him to vet today, the 4th day as could not get him there yesterday. Vet only open half day yesterday. Vet said yes, he does have a temperature. Said he got his nose into something and he has gotten a bug. Vet gave him an antibiotic injection and and 7 days antibiotic to bring home and give him. Vet said if he was not better by next week he would do blood work but said he did not think blood work was necessary today.
What I need to know: Is he going to recover from this bug and be ok?
Attached chart is for the date, time and place I asked this question.
My take on this and yall know how it is with me and Horary, but I still keep trying. :D
I am asking this question so I am going to say I am Venus in the 7th house of relationships. To me he is my child which would be represent in the 5th house of children but I don't know which planet he would be. Chrion is in the 5th showing he is sick. Or he could be Saturn in my 11th house of friends. I don't understand any aspects here but the 4th house is suppose to be the outcome. Jupiter is in the 4th so that means he is going to be ok.
Any help greatly appreciated.
Kaiousei no Senshi
04-11-2008, 12:28 AM
Hey there, Kaybug. Sorry to hear about Jake. :(
I was wondering if you'd do me a huge favor. Recently I've been devling into decumbiture charts, and while I'm not sure if charts for kitty cats are going to be the same as those for humans (not exactly sure as to why they would be different, a sick body is a sick body), I would love to see the decumbiture chart for this situation.
If you had the data for the time you took him to the vet, or the time you called the vet to make an appointment, I would be very appreciative! I'm at the point where I'm jumping at example charts for my files.
As for the horary chart, Jake would be shown by the Sixth house, and I'm wondering if we couldn't actually make Jake the First house in this situation, since it would take you out of the question as you really aren't involved other than he is your cat and you sympathize with him. Hm...
04-11-2008, 01:17 AM
I called the vet's office at 8:35 this morning and made the appointment. The appointment was for 10:15 this morning and we got in to the examing room at around 10:45.
Kaiousei no Senshi
04-11-2008, 01:19 AM
Am I correct in assuming that this was in the same city as the chart in your first post is set for?
04-11-2008, 01:40 AM
The chart is set for Boiling Spring Lakes where I live and where the call was placed from amd where the question was asked. The vets office is about 7-10 miles away over on the island.
04-11-2008, 03:35 AM
I think Jake will be fine; the moon is void of course. As Lilly puts it: "The matter goes hardly on". Jake, the 6th house (Kaiousei-san, I also thought about the 1st for Jake but feel the 6th is still better as KayBug has direct concern with the outcome of this question) is Jupiter, in fall. Jake isn't feeling so hot. We know this already.
Jake's affliction is shown by the turned 6th, ruled by the Sun. The Sun is exalted in Aries: a fire sign does indeed show that Jake had a fever; quite a high one, probably. However, the Sun has just left a square with Jupiter, indicating that the illness is passing, rather than gaining in strength.
Let us know how Kitty does.
PS; Also, if I could make a couple of suggestions: in horary I would recommend choosing Regiomontanus houses for making charts; it's more accurate than Placidus for a number of reasons (especially, you'll find, in questions of timing); and I'd also suggest *not* including all the asteroids. Asteroids are great for natal charts; they're not much good in horary as the answer will be in the chart without adding rosettes to the frosting, if you see what I mean...:p
Kaiousei no Senshi
04-11-2008, 03:54 AM
(Kaiousei-san, I also thought about the 1st for Jake but feel the 6th is still better as KayBug has direct concern with the outcome of this question)
^.^ No need for the honorific. I feel all blushy now!
I do, though, have questions about this switching of houses. Being aware of instances when the house-switch is appropriate would be very useful as it would make horary a bit less complicated as the process of deriving houses is unnecessary after that point.
About this, Houlding states:
The querent in any question or the collective of which the querent is a part...in questions such as 'will we win?', it signifies the querent's team.
Okay, that makes sense. I can follow that pretty easily.
If a question is asked regarding a mundane situation in which the querent is not personally involved but has a strong sympathy and inclination, then use the First house to represent the party the querent favours or supports. In questions regarding war, for example, the First house signifies the querent's own country...
Okay, yes, that makes sense as well. No questions.
Questions regarding the safety or well being of something or someone having no relationship to the querent are assigned directly to the Ascendant.
AH-HA!!! So, since Jake is directly related to Kaybug, he is to be found in that house he would normally be signified by. However, were it about the health of someone Kaybug (or anyone else) was not directly related to, they would take the Ascendant?
04-11-2008, 05:22 AM
So, since Jake is directly related to Kaybug, he is to be found in that house he would normally be signified by. However, were it about the health of someone Kaybug (or anyone else) was not directly related to, they would take the Ascendant?
Yes, this is essentially it. If you are concerned about someone in an offhand sort of way ('will Obama win the Presidency?'), give that person the 1st; however if the other person's (or kitty's) well-being is of direct concern ('Is my child ill?'; 'Where is my mother's purse?',) inasmuch as their well-being more or less directly affects yours, give them their own house in your chart.
This has something to do with levels of influence, to put it simply: the things that affect us personally, and the things that don't.
Looking to Jupiter
04-11-2008, 06:23 AM
Sorry to butt in with this, but Geez your sounding differnet these days Kai.....
You must be studying heaps...............
04-11-2008, 09:10 AM
AG....Thank you for your post. I feel better now. Jake must be feeling better this morning already. He got peeved at my lil girl cat (Cutie Girl) and was batting at her this morning before he looked at me and I know he was thinking, ok I'm ready to go outside now. ;) So, I gave him his antibiotic and he is off chasing the wind I guess. :)
Thanks for the info on constructing a horary chart. Now, if I can only remember it. :o
Kai....Thank you for your posts also. You and I are both learning. Difference is you have memory retention and I don't. I often wonder what in my chart makes/shows that it so hard for me to learn and remember. I never asked though cause...like they say, if you don't really want to know the answer, don't ask the question. :D
Looking to Jupiter
04-11-2008, 09:14 AM
I think your learning heaps......your definitely sounding a bit more positive these days too.....hope your cat is ok soon......(remember, they have 9 lives;))
04-11-2008, 03:28 PM
Hello AG, Kai, I was also thinking of putting kittycat on the Asc. but like AG said, she is of concern to Kaybug, so I choose 6. (I did not comment here as the right answer was already skillfully given by you!)
Now something entirely different. Say you would like to know which part of kittycat's body was afflicted (was it the liver, lungs, stomach, whatever) could we then not, just for that purpose make a chart (asking where in the body sits the illness or something like that) and then take Kitty on the Ascendant? Every house shows a different body part right? Could you do this also for a person you think? or do you think you can find the afflicted body part just from the horary?
Kaiousei no Senshi
04-11-2008, 06:15 PM
Here's the decumbiture chart I drew up. I decided to go ahead and use the time of when you got into the examination room as that's the time the appointment actually happened.
Jake is shown as the Ascendant and thus Mercury in Aries. Aries being hot and dry showing (as AG already suggested) a fever, being Combust and 'scorched' by Sol is probably only making the fever worse. The sickness is Mars in Cancer, fallen so I don't think it's going to do much damage at all and Jake has the ability to overcome it. Mars and Mercury being in an almost exact Square, perhaps showing a sharp increase in the fever before it goes away. Mars also rules the Eleventh house which is the legs and ankles. I'm not sure what that would have to do with the fever, but it's something to look out for (this was for you, Star).
Virgo on the Fourth house cusp tells us that this illness is one that goes away and comes back again...but based on what you said it doesn't seem he's been in this condition before.
The medicine the doctor supplied is Jupiter in Capricorn, signifying the pills cold and dry nature, however the medicine in this respect doesn't seem like it's going to be able to overcome the sickness as Mars beats Jupiter by two points. The mutual reception by exaltation also confuses me, I must admit. :)
Goodness, if only I weren't so lazy and studied more.
04-11-2008, 07:41 PM
Jake still has a fever. He got his antibiotic injection yesterday morning and his antibiotic pill this morning and he still has it.
I don't know why, other than my excellent intuition, but when I looked at his antibiotic capsules, I had the feeling/thought these are not going to do much good.
He did go outside some today and isn't laying in the chair all day now.
Maybe he will be better tomorrrow. We will see.
Looking to Jupiter
04-12-2008, 12:48 AM
would Jake eat yogurt?
the good bacteria in yogurt helps keep the internal bacteria in balance, that antibitoics can upset.....
its worth a try
04-12-2008, 01:00 AM
I am praying for Jake! I know he will be ok as you love him so much and are so concerned about him. :)
Just one thing, be careful with yoghurt - not too much because cats are lactose-intolerant and it upsets their tummy's. I don't think you want a cat with severe diarrhea running round your house.
God bless you and your family.
ps. I promise to reply to your PM tomorrow... sorry, been so busy with kids!
Looking to Jupiter
04-12-2008, 01:23 AM
yeh good point moulin, ask your vet Kaybug....perhaps you could give him some acidophilus tablets or powder......
04-12-2008, 04:50 AM
Would canned evaporated milk be as good or in the same family as yogurt. I do give all of them some canned evaporated milk sometimes? He/they like that.
Charm...Jake is the one looking out the door. Cutie Girl is the marble colored, long haired calico and Tucker is the grey and white tuxedo. My babies. :D Best children I ever had.;)
In talking to the vet Thursday, I told him I believed Tucker could talk. Tucker is the one talking up a storm all the time. I told him Tuckers says Ma, yes and no. I ask him if I was crazy or if that was possible. He said yes mam Ms. G. He said they can pick up things like that, especially the cats that talk all the time. He said for me to just keep talking to him like I always do and he could pick up more.
Looking to Jupiter
04-12-2008, 07:08 AM
You learn something new everday charmvirgo....I didnt know that....thanks.
04-12-2008, 07:12 AM
Charm....Thank you for that information. I am going to the grocery store today and I will get him some. Your cat sounds wonderful and so smart! Aren't they fantastic little creatures. ;)
04-12-2008, 12:50 PM
Mars also rules the Eleventh house which is the legs and ankles. I'm not sure what that would have to do with the fever, but it's something to look out for (this was for you, Star).
Thanks Kaioushei. I understand now what you mean with the "decumbiture" chart. So that is a chart of the person or animal itself calculated for the exact moment he or she falls ill. Very good.
In the horary Kaibug put up there I was a bit worried about Mars going to oppose Jupiter in about 6 somethings. Mars above the horizon must be slow (right?) in angular house, so could this be 6 weeks (Cardinal=fast, Angular is slow (but only when planet shows no sign of action), not 6 days I think. This is more or less how Frawley would put it. Also Moon, when she comes just out of Gemini, will immediately oppose Pluto who is suspisciously close to the 4th house cusp. This in about 3-4 degrees (Moon is slow and in cadent house, give it a bit more and you also get to about 6 weeks maybe) and could show some sort of emotional turmoil.
So I also think, like Kai, that the illness or the fever (Mars) could come back again:this illness is one that goes away and comes back again.
Mars will also in about 5° trine Uranus in pussycats 1st house. (any planet in a house has some significance and seen as co-significator according to several horary astrologers). This is just a secondary observation, but it does show that Mars is not finished with the cat as yet.
But for the time being I do think your cat will be better as the Moon will sextile the Sun (cats illness) in 4 minutes as her last aspect.
I think condensed milk mixed with a bit of water won't do much harm. I used to give that to my cats when I still had them. Not fresh milk though. But to be really sure, just quickly ask the vet.
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