VERY URGENT QUESTION - Please read

[indigojenardu]

This replaces my last post -

I have lost a digital recorder with *very* important personal data on it. The last time I saw it was about 4pm GMT 5th April

The first time I asked the question 'Where is my digital recorder' was at 8.45pm GMT. I am 28 years old, please take into a/c when looking at the late ascendant...http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p26/indigojenardu/data.jpg

I have retraced my steps back to 4pm - so I went each location where I was - even as far as going to search the ground street where I had my car parked when I was out this afternoon. Please help if you can - my livelihood (and life, if the data gets into wrong hands) depends on it - quite literally...

A very blue indigo...:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(

[indigojenardu]

No horary experts up this morning? I can't sleep I am so worried :'-(

[archergirl]

Hi there IJ,

I'm afraid the late ascendant has absolutely nothing to do with your age. It seldom does, unless the horary is in particular about a specific person. Otherwise, all my horary questions would come up with a 38-degree Ascendant.

I would also suggest that you use Regiomontanus houses for horary, especially lost object ones. Regiomontanus works better.

Notwithstanding the VERY late Ascendant (the matter is 'too late'), this is an interesting chart, and has two stories to tell. The Moon is strongly angular, although peregrine. Both the lights are below the horizon, indicating that the object is hidden. The Moon, cosignificator of the lost object, along with Mars (if we use the 2nd house ruler), is coming out of combustion, so may be revealed.

The Moon's next aspect is to trine Saturn. Although the Moon on an angle can be a positive sign of recovery, Saturn slows things down. Someone is definitely in possession of your recorder; the Moon and Mars (the significator for the lost object) are in mutual reception.

Using antiscia, we see that the antiscia of Mars, the recorder, is at 16.38 Capricorn; in other words, conjunct Jupiter, placed in the 3rd house.

Jupiter is ruler of the 5th house: pubs, inns, and also children. The 3rd house rules 'your neighbourhood'. Did you happen to go to any of these places with the recorder, Indigo? A pub? A park? A playground? The Moon's last aspect was to square Jupiter (the last place the object was) and the 'shadow side' of your recorder is also with Jupiter. Perhaps a child picked it up and took it home. Or a fellow pub-goer.

On the other hand, it is possible to use Saturn as the 4th (mislaid objects) as the significator of the lost recorder; this is actually a better description of it: Mercury-ruled, used to 'preserve' things (a Saturnian trait). The antiscion of Saturn is 27.43 Aries. In other words, conjunct the Moon! If this is the case, then it is very likely that you will recover the recorder.

If you are certain that you lost the recorder 'outside', I would suggest that you again comb through the places you've been again, especially those pubs, parks, and playgrounds.

Mars in the 9th shows that you may have left it at a library, university, bookstore, some place of 'knowledge' (church? synagogue?). Saturn in the 11th shows a place of 'comfort and relief': a friend's house, maybe?

There is a chance that it is damaged; all the significators are 'damaged': Saturn by retrogradation, Mars in fall, the Moon coming out of combustion.

If you can feed back to me on this, I can hone my suggestions more.

Cheers and good luck!
AG:)

[fensi88]

On the other hand, it is possible to use Saturn as the 4th (mislaid objects) as the significator of the lost recorder; this is actually a better description of it: Mercury-ruled, used to 'preserve' things (a Saturnian trait). The antiscion of Saturn is 27.43 Aries. In other words, conjunct the Moon! If this is the case, then it is very likely that you will recover the recorder.
Very interesting notice! I did not work with antiscion in cart of lost objects and I am very interested to see if this will work!!
If we look "normal things" only one sign is for recovery and that is applaying Moon's aspect with ASC, by oposition.

POF is in Sco and that means dirty places, drains, swamps, trash bins, near muddy or stagnant water, gutters, sinks, the kitchen & bathroom, ruins, compost heaps, dark or secret places.
In 1st house means the place where the querent spends the most time, also the entry hall, front porch, front door and windows of a house.
Direction: east
Near colour: dar red

[indigojenardu]

I will look in *all* of the places you suggested and of course I will feed back to you...I have had *NO* sleep whatsoever, so this may delay things as I think I will be a little slower than usual today!

(cheers for clearing up the late ascendant thing btw, I always thought that folks were deterred by a late ascendant unless the person was at or above the age...dunno where I read that...)

[starlink]

Indigojenardu, sorry I am so late coming to this. I of course just now wrote my interpretation and again, touched something and gone is the text again.
Just my luck.

Anyways, thank God AG and Fensi have come to your rescue. I was tied up this morning.
Even so, I would like to mention some things.

As they have correctly indicated the places to look, I could maybe add that you could have lost it on a journey?

Something else I was thinking about. The 7th is probably the person who finds your recorder. He is ruled by Mars as well and his 2nd ruled by Venus.
He therefore could indeed be in the possession of your valuable recorder and he is also in the 9th, so maybe he is a foreigner. 9th could also be the outdoors and Cancer is indeed a moist place like Fensi said. Was it raining that day?
His possession (maybe your recorder) also in the 5th of fun places.
Venus is in a fire sign, so that means near a wall or partition (and Venus just crossed the border there so maybe it fell in between something?) and maybe near an iron object. I dont go for a hot place here as Mars in Cancer and POF in Scorpio clearly point towards watery and therefore not so hot places.

Now AG mentioned neighbors. If I do something that I should not really do, which is looking at the modern ruler of your 2nd, then Pluto is also in the house of neighbors and surroundings. Saturn, ruler of misplaced objects (thanks for that one AG, never knew this!!) will trine Pluto and so will the Moon. Moon rules Mars and when Moon leaves it's sign, it will eventually also sextile Mars (and as Fensi said, oppose the Ascendant before that) and Moon will be very well placed by then.

Mercury will translate light from Venus to Mars if I am not mistaken, which is another sign that you might get it back.

I still am not very good with Antiscia, but trust AG's description which sounds promising as well.

Moon is VOC now and I hope that will mean that you dont have to worry.
I will keep my fingers crossed!

Star.

[Edward]

Hello indigojenardu (pretty funny name),

you seem to be desperated: Venus, Lord of the 1st, just left its exaltation in Pisces behind and entered Aries, the sign of its detriment.

Mars, the digital recorder as Lord of the 2nd, is in fall and in triplicity: It isn't that fine, but it's ok. It is owned by nobody but you as it is ruled by the Moon, your co-significator. As it is posited in a watery sign, it is in a "comfortable" place, like under the pillow or something.

Mars is also located in the 9th house; regard this as south-south-west from the position you were in when you asked the question. This would be a possible direction to find the digital recorder.
The digital recorder will probably be in your house; as Mars is ruled by the Moon, your co-significator. It is literally in "your house".

You'll find the digital recorder again: Venus as Lord of the 1st makes a square to Mars. Squares usually mean that things come together, but with difficulty.
Since Venus is posited in a cardinal sign and in a succedent house, it would mean a short time unit. Venus has to travel 21 degrees in order to reach the square with Mars.

Hence I would judge: You will find the digital recorder 21 hours or 21 days after the question.

Good luck, you'll make it!


Greets, Edward

[tikana]

HI

have you tried laundry room or under the sink? or near food or water .. try kitchen

it's definately home

Tik

[starlink]

Yes, Eedwards, that is right! it is in a "comfortable" place, I also learned that one, then forgot of course.
You said:

Squares usually mean that things come together, but with difficulty.




but I think the rulers should be well placed and as you saw, Venus is not strong, nor is Mars. Did I see that translation of light OK? that might be a help of course.

How would you explain the position in the 9th house of Mars?

The "mislaid object" ruled by Saturn in the 10th is indeed at home if you look at it from the 4th house point of view, and retro also means that it comes back. Lets hope so!

Star.

[indigojenardu]

Thanks for all of your responses...no joy yet... :-( But I will do everything that you have suggested.

*still haven't slept yet...I am devastated.

[starlink]

Edward, I just got a message from EEdward, another member pointing out that you are not him, ha ha! Sorry about that. I indeed confused the both of you there.

Indigo, if this could be of any help, it was very kind of Eedward to notice that the recorder could maybe be in a car or your car. I thought the 9th had to do with a trip and then I noticed that the modern ruler of the 2nd house, Pluto, is situated in the 3rd house (but did not want to mention it as Pluto should not figure in horary traditionally, so I just thought of the "neighborhood" thing. I know I am not supposed to use Pluto, but as a second sort of significator, it could be useful to have a look between the seats or something? in Capricorn, on the floor? In a taxi maybe?

Good luck! Starlink

[eedwards]

Hi Indigo,

I believe that the recorder is in someone elses possesion. The ruler of the recorder, (Mars), also rules the 7th house,(the other person).

Mars lies in the 9th house, (their 3rd). This could mean that the recorder is in their car or even downloaded to their computer, (another 3rd house item). The last aspect that your ruler, (Venus), made was a seperating conjunction to Mercury, (ruler of their third). You were definitely in their car, by their computer or some other 3rd house thing when the item was lost.

Mercury is also in MR with Mars....the recorder is\was in their vehicle or around\connected to their computer?

Venus is in a critical degree and leaving the 5th house into the 6th, (their 11th\12th) and is very detrimeneted. Is it possibly with a coworker? It appears as though you were in a bit of a hurry when the recorder was lost and also shows your concerns and worries.

Neptune lies in the 4th house of endings showing the confusion and the 4th house is ruled by Saturn Rx in the 10th house. Is it possible that the recoder was left at work? In any case Saturn Rx shows that you will get the item back...but it may be damaged or modified. The POF in the 1st house also points to the recorders recovery.


Takes care,
Ed

[tikana]

Hey

this will sound crazy but try this
look in the car seat's crack in the back between the back and the seat itself.

it is comfortable + plus it could be a car.

the screen if you have one could be broken

Tik

[lillyjgc]

Hi: That's a good point Tikana...On another thread *what happened to Dee's keys* the lost keys were in the ninth-turned out to be in a car parked very near a church.
just one other comment I'd like to add to the delineations above, I *see* the critical degree here may indicate...*you were just about to go out*, as the sigs were about to change, from venus to mars...In a way the moon being peregrine could be fortunate here-the recorder isnt going anywhere!
Just one question: Were your recorder to be found by another person is it possible you can be identified as the owner? I am wondering if its been *found* but the finder doesnt know what to do about it.....
Hope it turns up....
Cheers Lillyjgc

[indigojenardu]

WOW. OK. I had left the market, and was given a lift to my own car by a fellow stall holder - and the contents of my bag fell out in his car. He said he has practically stripped his car bare, - but I will ask him to check all the seats and cracks and things...

If the screen is broken, that would be a small blessing, as it's quite tricky to operate and would be even more so without the screen...in fact, if it had been smashed to smitherines, I would feel much more comfortable than it being in the wrong hands :-|...

My voice is all over the thing, but I don't remember if I mentioned my name anywhere...if I retained an interview on there, I would have mentioned my name...

I will keep going, thanks for your help on this, I will keep you updated x x

[starlink]

Gee whizz Eedwards, that looks like a very good deduction to me! Leaving the supermarket and getting into a car and her papers falling out, it all points to that car indeed!! Lets hope so!!
Maybe what I wrote could be a possibility:
Venus is in a fire sign, so that means near a wall or partition (and Venus just crossed the border there so maybe it fell in between something?) and maybe near an iron object.

The "wall" could be the door of the car or indeed, like Tikana mentioned, the back of the seat.

[indigojenardu]

Hello all...

well...it's definitely not in my car. Despair.

I'm not even functioning properly/thinking straight - it's so bad...

I've been feeling like this for a couple of weeks now. I have been in 3 car accidents involving other vehicles in the last three weeks...just a lot going on right now...and then this? :'-(

[Moulin]

Hi indigo

I can't help you with your chart BUT i'd like to ask you to lie down, calm yourself and breathe. close your eyes and slowly think about that day. Imagine your recorder in your hand and then it lost.

See where your mind takes you as to it's whereabouts. Hope this helps.

I'm sorry it is giving you such emotional grief.

[archergirl]

Good on you, Moulin! I was going to suggest the same thing. Clearing the mind and letting the inner voice tell you where to look. It works well when you slow down and listen.

AG:)

[Moulin]

Thanks Archergirlie :D

It's the only way to get clarity and it sounds like she needs it right now. Lack of sleep and 100% stress is not a recipe for finding things.

Also, it's a good idea to call upon St. Christopher and the Archangel whom helps one finds things, is it Michael? :)

Good on you, Moulin! I was going to suggest the same thing. Clearing the mind and letting the inner voice tell you where to look. It works well when you slow down and listen.

AG:)

[Shadowflash]

Indigojenardu, I'm so sorry for your predicament... I don't know diddly about Horary, and it seems you have much excellent input from that angle already...as well as a few great suggestions along the same lines I'd like to offer now.

By all means, *please* find a way to *unplug* sufficiently to truly rest... I know so well just how impossible this feels, under the circumstances; but I know you also realize that stressing your physiology to such an acute degree will only add static to such an already-charged field... Will keep you in my prayers that you will find your way to doing so, bless your heart...

And then the other is this: Our physical bodies literally carry cellular memory of everything that has transpired; it *records everything*, even things so small our conscious minds don't register them. So...as odd as it may seem...and yes, I suspect that the degree to which you can *believe* and buy into this as Possible will influence its degree of success...I suggest that you literally *ask your body* where your recorder is. *It knows.* Ask for support for this endeavor, first, from any spiritual Sources you might happen to believe in; then ask your body to *take you to it.* Let your conscious mind and awareness be a welcoming, receptive Blank; and then let yourself go where you feel the slightest whim. It's worth a try, and several, in fact, if it doesn't work first time. I have found many lost objects (and lost people at mass-crowd events!) using this technique, and have been dumbstruck at how magically it can work...

All my best to you for finding it!

[starlink]

Another suggestion maybe, the person who (maybe) found it, could have brought it to the police. You see that Venus, ruler of the 7th and Mercury (if you take him as intercepted ruler of the 7th) are both in the 5th and on their way to conjunct the Sun who is ruler of the 10th house, the police. Maybe you should ask there as well, the police station. Just another desperate idea!
Good luck anyways, Star.

[indigojenardu]

Hi everyone - thanks for all of your support. still no luck:(, but again, I will try these avenues that you have mentioned:o.


IJ x

[tikana]

Hey

i am done biting my 9 nails here.. find the freaking recorder.. otherwise, i will be biting my toe nails pretty soon

*** ewww ***

Tik

[indigojenardu]

Hey

i am done biting my 9 nails here.. find the freaking recorder.. otherwise, i will be biting my toe nails pretty soon

*** ewww ***

Tik

:D this made me laugh so much, Tikana, thank you! x x

(still no luck, though...:o)

[indigojenardu]

:( Nothing yet...

Are there any other angles we could try?? :confused:

[tikana]

I have no idea..

Tik

[indigojenardu]

Doesn't the late ascendant mean you actually know the answer to where it is?

You have to really concentrate.
Obviously it was lack of concentration that made you 'lose' it in the first place.

Thanks CharmVirgo.

OK - still no news, I'm afraid. It's as if it disappeared off the face of the earth, and you know what? I pray that it has.

:rolleyes:

[gesso]

would it show anything maybe if you did up an event chart for the moment you bought it? Do you have a receipt?

[gesso]

Also, try calling or going to pawnshops
If you put yourself in the shoes of whoever might find it, that is one possibility, other than the police station. If it had any company logos or stickers on it, they might have returned it to there as well.

[indigojenardu]

still nothing folks...:(

thanks for your help though...