US Next President will deal with 2010-2012

[rubyelixir]

We all feel a growing anxiety. Not just with the coming US elections but with the years 2010-2012 coming upon us soon and within the next presidents' term in office. There have been many predictions of this time (2010-2012) being a turning point of sorts for humanity. That there will be global, undeniable issues to face and deal with. Will the next elected US president be a beacon of light to guide us? Will the US remain a powerful player in the world? Of the present candidates, who's chart is best aspected during this crucial time period?

I'm interested in opening up this for astrological ponderence. And I am anxious to hear what people in this community think....

thanks
~Robyn

[Moulin]

hmmm interesting question!

I will see if l can find their charts and get back to you. I hadn't thought about this question before but it's scared me cos my instincts are telling me that McCain is going to get in at the very end.

Personally, l'd like to see Obama in the White House but then i'm anti war and propaganda :)

[rubyelixir]

Thanks Moulin

I am very drawn towards Hillary becoming the next Prez. Not personally, since I am fine with either her or Obama, but I had a dream 2 nights ago that there was some headline scandal or altercation involving Obama near to the Dem nomination & Hillary gets it.It was very vivid. I have read much in the astrological predictions that Repub's have horrible aspects for their convention. I've read that Obama is illuminated by aspects from Uranus, electrifying him throughout most of the year however the spark burns out to be replaced by strong and sensible business, health care & education proposals represented by Hillary (not that Obama isn't for these things too, its just his persona seems stronger than any actual plans)

I am almost willing to resort to VooDoo if McCain is elected. I mean take a look at our Supreme Court. 4 seats become vacant in the next 4 years. Republicans would pretty much own the Supreme court which will mess with us for the rest of my life & most of my son's.

If the US is meant to go down the tubes, then McCain is our man but if there is any glimmer of hope, I would love to see a female Charioteer championing our ushering in of a New America (but I'm fine with a Mixed race guy too ;o))

[Moulin]

Yeah l hear you ruby.

Only problem l have with Clinton is l don't really wish for 2 Clinton's to be running the country!

I wonder what the USA progressed chart looks like. I will find it on Astro. There is a thread there about this, l think :)

[rubyelixir]

he he "2" Clintons did a fine job before :o) ;o)

[Moulin]

They did!

Well, I adore Bill. I think he is a very intelligent man who would be GREAT for the US right now but l also think that rather like a relationship, one must never go back to an ex :D:D

Just going to put my kids to bed and then l will put these charts up!

he he "2" Clintons did a fine job before :o) ;o)

[KayBug]

I have not been enlightened on what is suppose to be going on between 2010-2012. Could someone please let me know.

KayBug

[rubyelixir]

Kaybug
2012 is the end of the Mayan Calandar amongst other things . Just google 2012 & see what you get. There are tons of sites with all kinds of info, New Age, Historic, Philosophical etc etc I don't want to go into it too much here since it is addressed in other threads. I am interested in the astrological ramifications for the US future and politics here specifically

[rubyelixir]

I have not been enlightened on what is suppose to be going on between 2010-2012. Could someone please let me know.

KayBug


Here's a link with lots of other links to 2012 info:

http://2012wiki.com/index.php?title=Main_Page

[rubyelixir]

Hey I just found this interesting chart assessment for Hillary. This was written in 1996!It speaks of Hillary's relationship with Pallas Athena. The asteroid in her birthchart conjuncts the US's Pallas & that she is the human embodiment of the Godess herself. It makes a case for the reason why Republicans have dogged her. Very interesting to me..... this was not the only place I've heard about Hillary being representative of Goddess Energy...

http://www.accessnewage.com/articles/astro/hillary.htm

[Leone]

hmmm interesting question!

I will see if l can find their charts and get back to you. I hadn't thought about this question before but it's scared me cos my instincts are telling me that McCain is going to get in at the very end.

Personally, l'd like to see Obama in the White House but then i'm anti war and propaganda :)Maybe he will. That man is crazy. It'll be like WWIII or The Cold War Part 2 with him in charge. Matches up with the 2012 theory.

I don't trust Obama. He has an evil look in his eyes sometimes.

[Junke]

I really don't think anything is special about the year 2012, and that it's just being hyped up, but I don't know, maybe something will happen...

I'd prefer for Obama to win, but I'd be alright if Clinton got in. I can't vote yet, so..

[rubyelixir]

I don't trust Obama. He has an evil look in his eyes sometimes.


i think he looks sweet actually.
In answer to your McCain comment,I am afraid of that WWIII thing myself. Like I said if we are "going down" then McCain is our man. But that interesting article by Mark Lerner that I mentioned before has me rooting for Hillary. Her Pallas Athena is in alignment with the US's. She is the embodiment of Pallas Athena & hopefully for our futures sake, the male war-god rulership needs to be over thrown & she seems to represent a lot stronger new archetype. Athena was the Goddess of war, but also the protector of the Hearth & fought defensively through mental strategies not just aggressive brute force. I aim looking forward to a positive future & the WARGOD rule seems like its time has come

[Leone]

In other news Hillary wants $300 million in funds to be directed towards breast cancer research. Now I'm thinking of going to Team Obama.

[Svencanz]

2010 - well, yes.

I spent some time looking at Saturn clashes (hard aspects) through history, and found 2010 wins hands down in all categories over 100 years or so, did not look back further. This after reading an economically-based text (not astrology) that said 2010 is the year of collapse; and after hearing, the next day, that oil experts say 2010 is the year of oil peak.
Not that I want to scare anyone - kinda looking forward to it myself.

Sven

[rubyelixir]

Hillary has got the experience, Obama is fresh and McCain has years and years of experience, so would have to favour both experienced ones from them.

as much experience as anyone has , personally, i dont think that will come in to much use considering that on other threads here and most info concerning the time 2010-2012 elsewhere suggests a very, very new way for humanity, life, time, etc etc i think it will be down to a test of character. & , possibly, a new archetype for leadership?
Otherwise, i feel , we will have the opposite, the epitome of the outmoded, worn out, piscean thinking ; unconscious, feigning responsibility though the thoroughly irresponsible and missing the "big picture".

we need an evolution to a more aquarian archetype and i hope for our sakes that we get just that & not the opposite

may the best archetype win!

[rubyelixir]

I have not been enlightened on what is suppose to be going on between 2010-2012. Could someone please let me know.

KayBug


also kaybug , i forgot to mention a major planetary configuration that occurs in 2010 is the prelude to the 2012 thing

here is a good article about it (written in 2004 by bill street)
http://astrologyforthesoul.com/billstreett/2010generationalimplications.html

here's an excerpt:
"To review, occurring in 2010 is a T-Square alignment involving Saturn, Uranus, and Pluto—a rare alignment and a profound symbol connoting societal and socio-economic transformation.
Although the full explication of this alignment has been addressed in the previous two essays, I will borrow an iconographic image from popular culture to help to better understand the meaning behind the planetary symbolism. One of the most popular scenes in the original Star Wars involves the rebel forces caught within a trash compactor. Trying to elude oncoming storm troopers, Luke Skywalker, Han Solo, and other members of the rebel alliance find themselves trapped within a garbage processing machine. With the walls of the trash compactor closing in on the heroes swiftly, time is of the essence and a creative solution is absolutely imperative. This famous scene captures so many of the potentials and meanings of the 2010 alignment involving Saturn, Pluto, and Uranus: constrictive forces creating crisis; garbage, waste, and unprocessed filth; rebels and revolutionaries; rebirth from the darkness into a new case scenario; and elemental intensity that demands awareness and creative solutions. This scene from Star Wars mirrors the significance behind the 2010 alignment. Like the rebel forces of Star Wars, we may very well find our selves within a difficult, constrictive case scenario that not only brings us face to face with our shared “garbage” but which also demands swift and creative action so that a new beginning can emerge. The Saturn-Pluto-Uranus alignment in 2010 is both a societal bottleneck and crucible where situations of the past and solutions of the future enter into a highly dynamic and highly chaotic relationship. "

[Svencanz]

Hi rubyelixir,

I absolutely love the "garbage compactor" analogy - thanks for posting it.

Sven

[Derestanne]

In the past several days, there have been riots in several Countries over the soaring prices of food and fuel and food shortages. In my own view, this is absolutely the beginning of the end. We have reached the point of no return! When people have no choice except to riot because they have almost nothing to eat, the World could not be in more serious dire trouble! This is the worst case scenario of Saturn (control) in Virgo (food supply).

Forget the war on terrorism: we are all now staring down the face of a Global Civil War between the have's and the have not's.

As for the Candidates and the US Election, repeating my earlier forecast, which I made in December 2006:

"The USA 2008 Presidential Election Horoscope Chart reveals Moon, Jupiter and the Asteroid Juno all in Capricorn! And of all the major candidates running for president, only John McCain and Barack Obama have any planets in Capricorn. John McCain has Moon in Capricorn at 27 degrees. Barack Obama has Saturn in Capricorn at 25 degrees Retrograde. As Saturn is much stronger in Capricorn than Moon in Capricorn, it is clear that Barack Obama has an advantage over John McCain. This is not to say however that Obama will emerge as the clear winner of the 2008 elections. It only means that he has a very real advantage. What is very much in evidence in both McCain and Obama's Charts is that both candidates will "tough it out" and stay in the race until the very last moment - a strong trait of Capricorn. And both of these candidates will be making very strong appearances in the news headlines throughout the presidential race".

Additionally in December 06' I stated:

"As the United States and George Bush are both Cancerians, the prominence of both will continue to diminish on the World Stage. US domestic problems and concerns are likely to increase in scope.... As the US and Canadian (Cancerian) Dollars grow weaker, watch the Capricornian Dollars (India, Mexico, Brussels - Euro) generally grow stronger!".

Regarding the entire 2012 business, the Native American Hopi Indian Prophecy states that the last thing that humanity will be able to accomplish is "a city in space with people living in it" (a reference to the International Space Station?) and after this the prophecy states, "the lights from the skies will descend upon the Earth and everything will be changed".

There is a book entitled, "Last Waltz Of the Tyrants" which attempts to provide an overview of world affairs leading to the "End Times". Toward the end of that book, it states, "a certain country will be told that it must do something but will refuse to do so; this event will mark the end of the World as we have known it". I have come to the conclusion that this is a reference to either the Iranian Nuclear standoff or North Korea.

I have read that the Bush Administration has already made repeated attempts to launch a full scale attack on Iran and to date, every attempt has failed! Although it sounds fantastic, there are some who believe that Alien Visitors have used advanced technology to interfere with our Military Operations. It is also true that certain senior US military officers have been against an attack on Iran. Recently, the Bush Administration replaced the last of these senior military holdouts with more war mongering lunatics.

The scenario I forsee now is that Bush and Company think it is their "glorious destiny" to light the fuse for World War III by attacking Iran and Bush will persist in "Operation Armageddon" right up until his last day in office. But what if Bush fails? Will McCain then be put into office through a rigged, vote-fixed election with a mission to "do the deed" that Bush failed to accomplish?

However true the old Chinese Proverb, "May we live in interesting times", I am finding these times "too interesting" for my personal tastes. I want to see someting more compassionate and with a human decency flavor to it!

[Moulin]

GREAT post Derestanne and l 100% agree with every word...

l think it's time to close bank accounts and bury cash, move to the country and plant a vegetable patch

:(

[flea]

I do wonder about China refusing to limit polluting emissions and therefore endangering the atmosphere in the future might become an issue. I also wonder if anyone has thought about John McCain suffering health problems and then who his running mate is gains in importance.

Quite a few esoteric scenarios talk about the rising goddess energy which would make sense as to why Hilary is in the running. interesting point about Pallas.

The T-square in the cardinal signs seem to suggest action or events taking place, rather than a change in approach or a mental attitude remaining rigid.

The aquarian age maybe be interpreted as a growing community mind, instead of centralised governement. Where people find they can pool their resources (finances skills) and come out with win win situations, instead of us all looking to the government to solve our problems. Then a even country veggie patch becomes high tech and adventurous, rather than a ludite mentality.

Love Light Flea

[Svencanz]

Dearestanne,

Your thinking is very similar to mine, with the addition that because of all the refugees and other people that have moved into other countries, without actually adapting to those countries, they still carry much of their true feelings buried. Assimmilation takes a few generations, after all.
So when the tension rises, we will have a "war without borders".
The Enemy Within - or should I say, next door.
Tolerance is inversely proportional to comfort, which derives from "wealth".
When people have no money, they will not declare war on a far-away country, but their neighbour.

Sven

[Moulin]

Looks like we are all moving to yours then Sven... unless your refugee 'neighbours" baaaa baaaa (sheep) carry Uzi's and have read way too much Gary Larson :P :P
LMAO

[Svencanz]

You know, that ain't funny.

There is a sci-fi movie, recently out of New Zealand just like that - and it is the theme of my recurring nightmare....:)

Sven

[Moulin]

who said it was funny?
I think it's outrageous.. japanese sheep taking over the Maori's... tsk tsk.

(Japan owns most of NZ, so l hear)

You know, that ain't funny.

There is a sci-fi movie, recently out of New Zealand just like that - and it is the theme of my recurring nightmare....:)

Sven

[Derestanne]

When people have no money, they will not declare war on a far-away country, but their neighbour. Sven

In the case of the United States, the Government has declared a foreign war more than once, to take our citizens minds off of the stinking state of the domestic economy. Because the US Economy has been driven for a long time by military research and development and spending, the US Government has traditionally promoted "military spending" as an easy fix to US economic problems.

But the tables have turned with the Iraq war. A recent poll revealed that the majority of Americans now blame the state of the US economy on the trillions of dollars being wasted in Iraq. The people are getting wise to the fact that defense spending does not automatically translate into domestic prosperity.

On the domestic level, I think there is now an awareness among Americans generally that we have no individuals or some particular segment of society to scapegoat. What has gone terribly wrong is our Government. Our Government has become an Entity unto itself whose first instinct is survival regardless of the outcome.

Make no mistake, Americans are scared as H**L right now and angry too about our looming economic bombshell. Once reality fully sets in, there will certainly be panic and greed but there will also be communities who will pull together and support one-another.

[Moulin]

Well I for one am scared too and I am neither American nor in America.

I am scared though of America following up their disasterous mistake TWICE of letting that monkey Bush **** up the world's economy, by now voting in McCain to finish the Bush 'disaster's' trilogy.

I am extremely aware of THE truth about America. Aware that it's government, is dictated to by a few Federal Reserve Board of Director idiots whose need for greed has veered America's ship into the cliff's rocks.

I won' go into Zeitgeist, suffice to say I hope you have all seen it. I hope Bush goes to jail for 9/11. I hope that going into Iran is nothing more than an insane idea because l think Iran will totally surprise the USA by being together, efficient and out to kill.
could be the US's biggest mistake yet. I don' t enjoy my country being linked to Iraq. The UK allowed Bush to ***** Blair into a war where hundreds of innocents were murdered and NO WMD anywhere.

I see alot of karma for the USA and actually I'm wondering as l type this why the H*ELL I wish to go and live there.

[Svencanz]

My theory is the Indians put a major curse on the land, sort of like a Saturn-Chiron thingy, before they were totally run over.
I know I would have.

Sven

[Moulin]

Yes, it is possible.
The indians were certainly smarter than the Americans.
I wonder how hard America will fall. I know the rest of the world will go like a pack of cards and that, as you both say, prices for all goods will rocket.

Actually, l wouldn't have Sven, because forgiveness is the greatest lesson to the self and humanity, of them all.

My theory is the Indians put a major curse on the land, sort of like a Saturn-Chiron thingy, before they were totally run over.
I know I would have.

Sven

[tsquare]

Ron Paul looks interesting.
curently looking for his natal info.

I would even be happy to have the day month and year.

[Svencanz]

Moulin,

Don't be such a doll - you don't forgive people when they steal your whole country. It's on page 589 in the manual.

Sven

[Derestanne]

Meanwhile, back to the 2012 Question, it just keeps getting more and more extreme. Have a look at this Article on Whitley Strieber's Website:

Is This The Way The World Will End? And Will It End This Summer?....

http://www.unknowncountry.com/news/?id=6816

This reminds me so very much of the movie entitled, "The Quiet Earth". Is science fiction about to become real again?

[Svencanz]

Brilliant - if this takes place it will make the Aussies look like complete amateurs in the *****-up department despite having introduced the cane toad, which is now wrecking their whole country.

[rubyelixir]

Hoooo LAWDY! You guys are funny....as a heart attack!
Derestanne- I think you've brought up an important point in the Cancer thing ( bush & the US being cancerian) The T-square is not boding well for cancer. Flea, I agree with the element of the environmental concerns. I feel that this is a crucial element to the changes, on a global level, that need to take place. Hilary is a Scorpio, sun & moon, I think this is a good thing as it trines out country's sun but also is the sign of regeneration and profound change. More & more I find myself hoping for Hilary as a catalyst for change.
My personal guesses are as follows:
I think that we will reach some sort of environmental crisis and this will carry with it socio-economic crisises. Governments &/or people will be forced to act as neighbors and co-inhabitants of the same planet. A Global community united through crisis. The US will still be looked to as an authority or more like the town elders, but the world becomes more of a round table as in King Arthur's court. This is why its important to me as to who will be in office.
Then, I think that the space time continuum is affected like its suggested in the movie "Back To The Future". I feel that there is some sort of cosmic law of cause & effect in that some other galaxy or place in space that coexists along side of us, like the looking glass in Alice in Wonderland or another dimension, is affected & brings what we consider now to be "aliens" at our door.
Next,I think the "end of Days " is literally the end of time. Time as we know it will end. For after this "hole in time" (the p lanetary configuration btw , lines up with the point known as The Galactic Center, which is basically a black hole) is discovered or revealed as well as its use and application. We become aware that we are not alone & that our actions have far reaching consequences beyond our present wildest imagination. Thus space travel is possible. Or perhaps we become aware of other dimensions than the 3 we know? this also concerns Quantum physics and the ideas behind "The Secret" which I think is not exactly saying it right, I think its closer to the movie "What The Bleep Do We know?"
This all may sound far fetched but generally truth is stranger than fiction. And these types of things would explain the end of a pretty accurate calendar (Mayan) and the coincidence of major planetary configrations and how they might affect humanity.
I feel that we do survive but are forever changed.....(I have always felt that I will be a very old person , like past 95 so we have to survive if I'm gonna get there! ;o))

[rubyelixir]

Moulin
I really hope that BUsh & Co are sent to Jail. I can't even think of a worse president. What a Fraud, murderer & rapist.
There are hundreds of reports on Troops coming home from so called "war" mentally ill & how much it costs in dollars & in morale for the country. Not to mention other countries and innocent people who've paid with blood for this farce. Its so horrifying. I am highly embarassed and ashamed of our government. Not to mention outraged. I am so sad that I will have to explain this to my 5 yo son one day.
For all our sakes, I hope the "end" (of this) is near.

[EYE OF DESTINY]

We all feel a growing anxiety. Not just with the coming US elections but with the years 2010-2012 coming upon us soon and within the next presidents' term in office. There have been many predictions of this time (2010-2012) being a turning point of sorts for humanity. That there will be global, undeniable issues to face and deal with. Will the next elected US president be a beacon of light to guide us? Will the US remain a powerful player in the world? Of the present candidates, who's chart is best aspected during this crucial time period?

I'm interested in opening up this for astrological ponderence. And I am anxious to hear what people in this community think....

thanks
~Robyn
USA Presidential Candidates:

If the Birth Charts of the Candidates are true and are

John McCain 1936 August 29 at 8:37 AM he has Virgo Ascendant.
Astrologically he has the best opportunities. As per his ascendant Lord and 10th Lord Placement. And according to his Dasha operation he may find some difficulties in the beginning but then things should work out well with him and he should be loved by the people in an increasing trend rather then what Happened with George W. Bush he even seems to cooperate good with his oppositions.


Hillary Clinton 1947 October 26 at 20:01 in Chicago. has a strong opportunity also but not as good as McCain. Her Ascendant Lord Mercury retrograde does not help her have a strong base of power and respect.
Also her Ascendant lord is not as strongly placed and under Favorable influences as McCain’s.
Things will always be changeable for her, she is not prone to disrespect, on the contrary she may do good work to her country but astrologically speaking Presidency does not seem to be for her in this period.


Barrack Obama 1961 August 4 at 10:00 am in Honolulu Hawaii. His Ascendant lord is strong in many ways but not very favorable to rise him to presidency as he is in dead state. And in his Dasha
Jupiter is Active, in Capricorn and retrograde in the 4th house, not an excellent placement, his Dasha does not bestow luck and power, also his Bhukti is no good around election time, so I think he may even not continue to his target or he may face a very embarrassing loss.

To sum up Astrologically McCain has the Best Opportunity and I personally think he is the next USA President.(40%)
Next in chance comes Hillary Clinton, (30%) and Barrack Obama also has a Fair Chance of 30%.

[chaserx27]

id prefer obama to mccain or hilary but hopefully, we just have a democrat win period.

[flea]

I wonder that the american indians and australian aborigines are so wise that they knew that karma would take care of those that sought to disintegrate their cultures, and therefore had no need of curses, that would have just increased their own bad karma.

How long it takes to play out is anyones' guess, but the growing consumption rates just keep on rising, so do populations and with 25 years oil left, and no real change in behaviour you just look at the figures and if you are 50yrs and under we will be dealing with the fall out in our life times.

The amazon keeps reducing, the oceans have large areas that dont produce oxygen anymore, the top soil has reduced to the extent where large scale hydroponics will be the only option left..... And even though we are becoming more aware of our energy useage it isn't reducing yet. The average aussie home in 20 years has gone from 120 sq meters to 240 sq meters.

Hmmm that looks like Karma to me yet we are all still denying it.

Love Light Flea

[rubyelixir]

To sum up Astrologically McCain has the Best Opportunity and I personally think he is the next USA President.(40%)
Next in chance comes Hillary Clinton, (30%) and Barrack Obama also has a Fair Chance of 30%.


i hope you are wrong and fear you are right
oh woe is us!!!!

[EYE OF DESTINY]

i hope you are wrong and fear you are right
oh woe is us!!!!

I just evalutated the strenght of their Horoscopes based on Vedic System of Astrology thats all I do not have any preferences on any of the candidates. Let the best wins.

[blueheron]

I have not been enlightened on what is suppose to be going on between 2010-2012. Could someone please let me know.

KayBug

2012 is when Uranus goes into Aries, and squares Pluto In Capricorn. This square will continue for several years. The first year is kicked off with a Jupiter conjunction to Uranus. After that... the socio-political-economic overhaul of Pluto in Capricorn takes full swing.

From what I've read, there's supposed to be an alignment in 2012 between the celestial longitude of Earth, the Sun, and the galactic center.

With Neptune going into it's own sign of Pisces in May of 2011... I'm expecting some kind of spiritual dispensation.

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll204/yanaar/space-1.jpg

[blueheron]

Moulin
I really hope that BUsh & Co are sent to Jail. I can't even think of a worse president. What a Fraud, murderer & rapist.
There are hundreds of reports on Troops coming home from so called "war" mentally ill & how much it costs in dollars & in morale for the country. Not to mention other countries and innocent people who've paid with blood for this farce. Its so horrifying. I am highly embarassed and ashamed of our government. Not to mention outraged. I am so sad that I will have to explain this to my 5 yo son one day.
For all our sakes, I hope the "end" (of this) is near.

It may well be near.

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll204/yanaar/Post%20AJ%20pics/impeach-1.jpg

http://rinf.com/alt-news/politics/the-heinous-crimes-of-george-w-bush-in-35-articles-of-impeachment/3808/

Wednesday, June 11th, 2008
http://rinf.com/alt-news/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/bush-ftonline.jpgBy Elaine Brower & Cheryl Abraham (http://www.opednews.com/articles/2/The-Heinous-Crimes-of-Geor-by-Elaine-Brower---Ch-080610-243.html) | Monday, June 9, 2008 was an astoundingly historic night for the United States of America. In the evening a mild mannered Congressman named Dennis Kucinich (D-Ohio) took to the floor of the House of Representatives and began to read a startling document, a document laying out 35 articles of impeachment against George W. Bush.
For five hours Congressman Kucinich read clearly and concisely each of the 35 counts against President Bush (http://rinf.com/alt-news/politics/the-heinous-crimes-of-george-w-bush-in-35-articles-of-impeachment/3808/#). Occasionally taking sips from a cup, Kucinich didn’t falter, didn’t take a break, and didn’t seem to tire with the long reading, in fact right up to the last article Kucinich, with unwavering passion, said for the 35th time that evening:

“In all of these actions and decisions, President George W. Bush has acted in a manner contrary to his trust as President and Commander in Chief, and subversive of constitutional government, to the prejudice of the cause of law and justice and to the manifest injury of the people of the United States. Wherefore, President George W. Bush, by such conduct, is guilty of an impeachable offense warranting removal from office.”

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll204/yanaar/Post%20AJ%20pics/impeach_this-1.jpg

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Looking at the Solar Returns for Bush, his 6th house doesn't hold up for 07, nor for 08: meaning his position in a court litigation is afflicted. He would lose. And his natal rasi shows imprisonment (vedic system.)

(i haven't done the chart for Kucinichs' address to the House with the 35 Articles of Impeachment yet.)

[blueheron]

Ron Paul looks interesting.
curently looking for his natal info.

I would even be happy to have the day month and year.

I've been using 8/20/1935; 7:50 pm, EDT; Pittsburg, PA (zone +4), and have found it very accurate.

[AineB]

One reason why I think we'll end up with a Dem in the office is simply because the Reps have overtly ******* things waaaay the f**k up... and rather than have another Rep have to deal with it, they'll throw a Dem in there and "if" things don't run smoothly then they'll just blame it on them rather than the ones that made the mess in the first place! However, I think the general public at large is screaming for a change anyway and we all know we'd be better off at getting a Dem in there that will end this ridiculous war. Ron Paul is awesome, but truly an underdog.. kinda like when Ralph Nader (geez was that who it was?? it's been a while..) went for the presidency! ;)

[Otay]

I am almost willing to resort to VooDoo if McCain is elected. I mean take a look at our Supreme Court. 4 seats become vacant in the next 4 years. Republicans would pretty much own the Supreme court which will mess with us for the rest of my life & most of my son's.

[/quote]

Just almost VooDoo? The reasons you post suggest any prophylactic preventative pre-emptive proactive measures would be most welcome!

Somehow I just can't buy into McCain getting into the Whitehouse no matter how many gymnastics are tried to get his sorry behind in there.

However, the Inauguration chart features a VOC moon and a mercury retrograde suggesting what we see is not what we'll get for any length of time. VP takes over presidency? Could be.

Expect we'll see a few horrific events around the democratic convention in denver, co on 8-27-08. That is a very violent chart.
In fact, just last night on the news heard organizers will permit nearness of protesters just outside the convention hall which is quite worrisome.
This chart makes the dem convention riots of 8-27-68 look like a picnic in comparison.
I don't favor getting into "fear" modes and excessive speculation, but Mr. Obama is endangered IMHO.

(oh, forgive my many and numerous technical gaffs figuring out how to navigate this wonderful site. I consider myself just this side of retarded in that regard):banana: :o

[Otay]

Moulin, where are you may I ask? Unless you're at potential ground Zero where you are maybe you ought to pick someplace other than the u.s. and ride it out there.
About 70% and more in the u.s. are aware of the exact points you raise and many would give anything to live elsewhere (other than the u.s.) while this insanity plays out! To think you are considering moving toward the madness is like wanting to jump on a sinking ship!
The u.s. is becoming more and more fascist and those that have pretty much hijacked the u.s. might slink temporarily into the background, but they are not going far until their next opportunity.

I am actually hoping it all collapses on a Federal level and the states take back their power which is happening in response to Federal demands on the states. Two states have a secession movement (Maine and Vermont) which, although laughable in terms of getting approval now...things can change rapidly in the right window and ripening of circumstances. Plus, when a democrat is installed this buys time to push out Bluedogs (republicans pretending to be democrats and sabotaging the people's will) and bringing in Progressives.

Then of course, wild wacky environmental surprises. Mother nature shaking off the fleas of humanity. She can deal with us.

(In the meantime, save your organic seeds, make a cistern to collect water, and above all, buy your camping gear cheap from China online while you can).

[Delphia]

2010 - well, yes.

I spent some time looking at Saturn clashes (hard aspects) through history, and found 2010 wins hands down in all categories over 100 years or so, did not look back further. This after reading an economically-based text (not astrology) that said 2010 is the year of collapse; and after hearing, the next day, that oil experts say 2010 is the year of oil peak.
Not that I want to scare anyone - kinda looking forward to it myself.

Sven

I love your attitude Sven. I am a USA "baby boomer"...seen a lot in my day. I keep up with the latest news and 2010-2012 theories. My guess astrologically and intuitively is that its going to be quite a ride, but I don't want to miss any of it!

[Svencanz]

Hi Delphia,

No, I don't want to miss it - but at the same time I do worry about the meaningless violence that really seem to be happening such a lot on our streets - worldwide.
I'm glad I don't have any (teenage in particular) children that I have to allow to "socialise" and get out and about at night.

Sven

[Delphia]

Yes, Same here Sven. I have a grown son and none of my family are involved in any war industries. War is so stupid, but I am sure it's spurred by the economic interests of those involved. Otherwise it makes no sense. I just hope that the many folks who are holding a positive consciousness can prevent any further escalations. I do everything I can to bring peace for us all.

[Svencanz]

Found this doing some research today; potential for major scrw-ups is ever present....

Elaine Ingham, one of the world’s preeminent microbiologists, was involved in a case in which an actual doomsday scenario was narrowly avoided. In her Oregon State University lab, she and a graduate student, Michael Holmes, were looking at an engineered version of Klebsiella planticola, a bacterium found on plants. The GM version included an extra gene that caused it to produce large quantities of alcohol. The idea behind the modification was that plant debris would be gathered after harvest and put into vats along with the GM bacteria, which would convert it into fuel. Then leftover residue from that process could be spread back on the fields as fertilizer. The parent bacterium was a type commonly found in the fungus that inhabits plant roots.
The GM organisms had already received EPA approval for field trials—via a process that had subjected them to the same tests as those used for screening pesticide toxicity. But when Holmes introduced the approved bacteria to actual living wheat plants for the first time in his lab, the plants immediately died. Later analysis showed that the bacteria had migrated to the root fungi (which also help plants absorb nitrogen). There, the large amounts of alcohol it produced quickly and efficiently killed the plants. The implications of that are profound.….."

Sven


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[Delphia]

More scarey stuff...but I and a lot of other citizens of the USA have already come to the conclusion that our current Government regime has become a wholly owned subsidiary of Global Corporations. I do look forward to Pluto in Capricorn exposing the true underbelly of this fact. There are a lot of other atrocities which will come to light in the next couple years. Its not going to be pretty but it takes what it takes to wake up some folks. A lot of Americans are currently in a state of denial. I suspect there will be much upheaval here when Uranus enters Aries during this coming period.

[Delphia]

Meanwhile, back to the 2012 Question, it just keeps getting more and more extreme. Have a look at this Article on Whitley Strieber's Website:

Is This The Way The World Will End? And Will It End This Summer?....

http://www.unknowncountry.com/news/?id=6816

This reminds me so very much of the movie entitled, "The Quiet Earth". Is science fiction about to become real again?

Reminds me of a TV show I saw on either National Geographic or Discovery Science about the world ending. It features a gent on his way to observe the particle acceleration whilst evading comet hits, earthquakes, volcanos and the like. It ends with him at the accelerator and of course when it starts...fade to black.

We really are a quite fragile species. I almost think something..or someone has been looking after us lest we do ourselves in.

[blueheron]

Reminds me of a TV show I saw on either National Geographic or Discovery Science about the world ending. It features a gent on his way to observe the particle acceleration whilst evading comet hits, earthquakes, volcanos and the like. It ends with him at the accelerator and of course when it starts...fade to black.

We really are a quite fragile species. I almost think something..or someone has been looking after us lest we do ourselves in.

The end of the world... how many years have I been hearing about this? The world has been ending for a long time. Don't believe it. There isn't any such thing as an "end." Any "end" has to lead into a new "beginning." The Universe never "ends" anywhere. Everything is infinite. (esoteric and abstract enough for you? ;) )

Fragile yet strong. The world is going thru a Plutonian overhaul (Pluto's ingress into Capricorn.) Like a car torn apart before being rebuilt, everything looks a mess. Especially when you try to sort out which nut went where, which bolt secured what.

Then when you start to rebuild, parts don't fit, things get lost, something that came apart easily JUST WON'T GO BACK TOGETHER THE SAME WAY!

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll204/yanaar/madduck.jpg

Like a deck of cards tossed into the air, nobody knows where anything is going to land. Death and rebirth go together. Hang out with the rebirthing part.

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll204/yanaar/Growth-1.jpg

[Delphia]

Very well stated Blue Heron, I am hoping it does rearrange in a different way, and also believe it will.

[Otay]

Great dialogue happening here guys!
HOw this pluto entry into capricorn will work, using pluto's entry into saggitarius in '94 as a litmus test.
Most of us remember that outrageous opening speach in '94 by Newt Gingrich and his "Contract With (ON) America" that was the opening where our awareness of these creepy far "christian" right agendas came up from the sewers, and all that priestly "boylove" and the roman catholic church, the weeping mega-congregation heads caught dipping their wick just where they said it should never go, etc., etc., etc..
Thank god for the progressed FM of the republican party, going as far as they can "peaking out" as it were in the early pisces/virgo axis.
Just nuts.

I think pluto is beginning to outrage us through governmental proprieties and clamps on our freedoms begin to take on more outrageous forms of clamping down on u.s. citizenry with the ever-handy excuse of "Terr'ist" boogeymen.
We have to see the beast from all sides before we can hogtie it and take it down...and that's going to take about 16 years until the pluto return ofthe u.s. at 28 cap..

I have my eye on a number of factors beginning in dec.'09 the ingresses of both mars and pluto into cap a lining (creeping in) just a month after the national election. the dicey VOC moon at teh 29th degree of scorpio and mercury retrograde at the Inauguration 1-20=09.

The 80 years mars retrograde in the 10th house of the u.s. chart back towards the embrace of saturn there. Remember the u.s. chart's 4th house of 'home' is ruled by mars and the sign aries. (that would be the climate here perhaps of the u.s. gov't using it's people at it's own purpose (10th) which of course is flipping the role of gov't and it's traditional role with the populace.

Then we have mercury retrograde in the progressed u.s. chart that stopped short of the u.s. moon (mind and emotions of the people failing to meet before backtracking to cover some necessary ground of cognition).
This mercury goes DIRECT in 2016 when I take that to mean we can begin to get a handle on this mad-dash to fascism. Mercury meets with the moon at 27 aquarius in 2024 (I think), and perhaps that will be a reinstalling of the constitution. Of course, that can mean a number of things, but we sure as H-double-L-hockeysticks all know the nature of the beast by 2016 and may have a clear approach at that time about how we are going to handle this unsavory bad guest taking over our country. Usually a few years before the station direct we already kinda know.

comments?

[Otay]

One more thing. Just when a group (pluto in sag) knows it is losing it's grip on power is when they begin beating the doors down in a way more shocking than we've seen before (which is pretty shocking).
We've a pretty good idea how both parties are complicit (which doesn't mean introducing a third party which does nothing but keep offenders in power and keep elections diluted for the stealing).

No, the way I see it, it's power back to the states which is already happening through resistance to National ID's and Skeletor's funding threats.
It's a start. Vermont & Maine have secession movements which are being laughed at now as impossible to receive a stamp, well, things can change fast.
That's what we have to pay attention to: these background but real and passionate responses to what is happending to our country.

[warto]

ouch the end of the world..i'm not ready yet







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[emilyelizabeth]

So many twists and turns are possible - as you are pointing out. American progressives are sooo relieved that Obama has such good footing to begin the race. (He is extremely popular.) McCain is the oldest person to ever run for the US presidency and has been dealing with melanoma for many years which you may know is very serious and can be fatal. I ran into this article on a very popular progressive US internet news site you all might find interesting, Huffington Post. It suggests that McCain may have to be replaced before the race begins(!). More neocon tactics? Or is this a real issue that nobody thought would change the Republican nomination?: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/steve-rosenbaum/when-mccain-drops-out_b_107236.html

[Otay]

Seems getting a non-threat like McCain out of the way would be a pretty small favor given what we face as a nation. Agree w/McCain's unfortunate health transits. I saw a side-photo of McCain recently and it looked like that bulge on his face is actually transplanted tissue from possibly a thigh. I could see a surgical line completely around it.
I'm constantly up on politics and the sites like huffpo/crooks&liars/and the like. In fact when your post came up was looking at u.s. progressions for election 2012.
I do not share the Obama hype yet will vote for him simply to buy some time to vote progressives in and bluedogs out. The best candidates were eliminated through smoke & mirrors months ago. Obama's not a man I can have 'faith' in but then again, am not fool enough to have trust or faith in anyone based on mere words.

I doubt we'll escape the need to have a rock-meets-bone revolution in any case.

[emilyelizabeth]

I'm not actually putting any "value" on the popularity of Obama -- or McCain being replaced. Just sharing information. (Americans are misunderstood quite often. There are many progressives who are having to educate themselves by digging for information on the internet and sorting thru the lies and propaganda in the media.) I keep up on things too - good for you - so am well aware of where we are now and what we face. My candidate didn't run, and that is to say I didn't even like Kucinich or Edwards, but I will be voting for Obama as he seems to be mallible in a way that The People may able to "get to him" - have you looked at his chart? Yes, I have two children who are young adults and have been telling them we are preparing for a revolution. I appreciate what you have said, in other words, and have wanted to head north to Canada to establish a place for young people from the states to go when they begin a draft - in a country with martial law. Most Americans don't realize the seriousness of our predicament, so you have assumed I am one of them? I guess I don't blame you, but I am not.

[emilyelizabeth]

What have you discovered for the 2012 US progressions?!

[Otay]

That is an interesting article at Huffpo. There are two I can see on that list of 'zoids they are likely to choose. First likely replacement would be Thule as the least likely to offend the now-splintered republican factions scattered everywhere.
The power candidate would of course be Powell, but doubtful he would want such a position, and is inclined to be rational which to the rethugs is like throwing a pail of water on the wicked witch of the west.

Thanks for that article. Was wondering from where the shock to Obama's system would come with mars conjunct his mars at 22virgo oppo uranus. This sounds right.

[Otay]

I'm not actually putting any "value" on the popularity of Obama -- or McCain being replaced. Just sharing information. (Americans are misunderstood quite often. There are many progressives who are having to educate themselves by digging for information on the internet and sorting thru the lies and propaganda in the media.) I keep up on things too - good for you - so am well aware of where we are now and what we face. My candidate didn't run, and that is to say I didn't even like Kucinich or Edwards, but I will be voting for Obama as he seems to be mallible in a way that The People may able to "get to him" - have you looked at his chart? Yes, I have two children who are young adults and have been telling them we are preparing for a revolution. I appreciate what you have said, in other words, and have wanted to head north to Canada to establish a place for young people from the states to go when they begin a draft - in a country with martial law. Most Americans don't realize the seriousness of our predicament, so you have assumed I am one of them? I guess I don't blame you, but I am not.

I appreciate a thinking person like yourself who is attempting to circle her wagons around her own and other's children. I have said I would pack our bags today to move to Canada, create an underground (which it will have to be at this point because Canada's position is now to return draftees to the u.s. so that is no longer a haven). It would be worth your while to see how many 'safe' countries are left, NZ is the last one to give in to u.s. pressure at last word. My son is vulnerable as are millions of young people as the cost of educating skyrockets beyond their reach.
Obama is saying that for a year of "National Service" (one year of their lives in a climate where the cabal just can't wait to benefit themselves once they jockey another election..shocking plan by the dems to set this up NOW)
he generously offers $4,000 per YEAR for education in return (anyone want to be a mechanic?) when college averages 19,000 per year. This stingey offering means they don't have a prayer to gain professional credentials of any sort.
In addition, I heard Obama say "Those poor single mothers can now insure their kids". But, as before, unless those poor single mothers are DIRT poor enough, they themselves as in decades previous will still have no protections risking lots of "insured orphans". Believe me, if you're paying retail and can't afford tests you get the one-shot quickie no-tests visit to your physician.

As a nation we can expect to be short-sheeted yet again. My breathing is regular and I expect nothing to "Change" besides perhaps the weather.:mad:

[Otay]

Oh, finer point. What Obama left out is that children who were dumped from healthcare rolls in the last 5 years are being put back on at the "State" level in many states.
The kids whose parents qualify for medicaid have experienced no changes and unaffected.

Those parents who are vulnerable to die without care are the working stiffs. For them, status quo and the glaring open secret that there is no pea under any of those walnut shells being sleight-of-handed about.
But no one really questions these empty statements of Obama's...now here comes that anxiety again.

[emilyelizabeth]

Canada's Parliament just passed a motion to allow war resisters to stay in Canada - that really says something. The way I see it if Bush and Cheney attack Iran we will become Public Enemy #1, along with all the things that go along with such a devastating move like the economy going sideways around the world. I'm not remembering where I read this about the recent legislature in Canada to protect American youth. Here are the first articles that popped up when I googled it: http://www.workers.org/2008/us/war_resisters_0612/
http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2008/06/04/9417/

[Otay]

Yowza, Emily that is the BEST NEWS I've heard in YEARS!!!!! My gawd, I feel 30 pounds lighter. Yippeeeeeeee! We can fly!

[blueheron]

Dunno if it's going to be all that safe in Canada. The elitest control grid goes on there as well. War resisters beware. Pluto's ingress into Capricorn is global.

http://www.stopc51.com/

[emilyelizabeth]

What it appears we're dealing with is a global elite that know no national boundaries, and don't care to. It's all about lining their pockets of course. In fact with our hard earned tax dollars (in spite of our longer work day and minimal benefits, like having no real social protections i.e. national healthcare) we are providing the global elite with a private military to do their dirty work. Dick Cheney is the new "Patton" -- but not for America. It's only about money and power to them - they define themselves by their international bank accounts. Osama bin Laden is a Saudi not an Iraqi, and the Saudis, as we now know, are tight buddies with the Bush Boys, which is why they let bin Laden get away, and etc. Then there is Israel...

I don't blame people for thinking 'mericans are knumb skulls - too many uneducated - which we could turn around in a few decades(!?) if we have the tax dollars made available to develop the education systems that other countries have. The media having been taken by this neocon coup has been the final blow. This is why I see Canada as a way out - their priorities are much more sensible. We will always be fighting the greedy (global elite) around the world no matter where we are it's true, but to do it effectively you have to have the will to know who and what you're dealing with, which doesn't come about via propaganda and a broken system. Canadians have been watching us fumble the ball for a while now... Europe too. (European news is a way to find out what's actually happening here if one hasn't found the underground news of course...) and thank goodness we have enough in common with the Canadians that when we decide to bail, they are still wellcoming us.

I'm completely serious about heading north, and if my Pluto opposition to my Sun right now will just get the heck on with it, I would have be Gone! Saturn has been messing with me too, so that I hit a wall anytime I turn around - this has been since around 98-99. There is always a purpose in these things however... I've been able to reach out to people across the nation and locally (two political websites I've managed), helped on campaigns for progressives, etc, etc (had my phone line tapped too and actually, shockingly had Google take down my impeach ads - ! as I came out with the impeachment topic very early). No free speech in this country, any more. I found that out first hand.

So, safe havens are where others gather who are like-minded - and across the border from the oppressors as far away as you can get. Many progressives have already left... If you haven't seen Lives of Others, it's a peek at what life is like living behind an iron curtain. That isn't something that happens everywhere. It can get bad - and I prefer to watch for the "signs" -- and respond if I can.

I'm actually surprised that more people aren't alarmed at what has been happening and don't see where we're going -- and are ready to go.

[Otay]

Emilyelizabeth, I hear you 200%. My son is also 20 and also think daily about what the heck (I) can do to keep him and our kids free, safe and unoppressed.
I listened too, with horror when the democratic candidates began spouting on about kids being required to do NATIONAL SERVICE. No one is listening to me either about the danger of such a concept in a climate like this. People who ought to know better don't see this as anything to cause any suspicion!
The second I heard this my hackles went up.:eek: We know how complicit Pelosi and her pack of Bluedogs are. We know this gov't does as it pleases and does not let go of people (enlistees) once their contract is up. I cannot arouse a speck of interest in this topic even with progressives like myself to get a dialogue going. In fact have been put down for it.:(

Such is what has always been faced by those with ideas and realizations whether they be scientific, social, medical or political. You have to keep going.
I can decifer that you, Emily are one of the aries point kids yourself:D . I am early aries and you early cancer. We are the first on the block to wake up and rouse the energy. I would love to talk with you more about these topics and look at your chart. Just to reassure you, pluto oppo sun isn't always a bad scene. In my own case I was introduced to some powerful people, but instead of experiencing oppression, I actually left an oppressive situation at the first pass of pluto oppo sun while mars was conjunct pluto. What may look scarey is actually the time you can make the break, which is what aries pointers do best (at the squares and oppositions). The time period you speak of 98-99 was the transition from saturn square your sun then the fixed grand cross closing in around 8-11-99 which does have the effect of being locked in a room with a bunch of loonies and there's no way out.
I coined the term for this grand cross the Cycle of Corruption.

I don't like to post my chart because that's a little too much exposure for me in a public forum. You can reach me at *** emily.
Peace.:sunny:

[emilyelizabeth]

Thanks for your message - it will be left to the educated and progressive americans. I'm of the Boomer generation and feel we have the greatest kids and as they are our kids raised on the progressive values of a generation who valued peace, the earth and diversity, they have been trained well. Well, at any rate we shall see. With the extent of what we're dealing with and the time the outer planets take to move, we will be too old to be effective, but they will not. I'm placing my bets on the Boomers Boom (Neptune in Capricorn and Saturn in Sag).

[emilyelizabeth]

Hello Otay, you had said:

[I have my eye on a number of factors beginning in dec.'09 the ingresses of both mars and pluto into cap a lining (creeping in) just a month after the national election. the dicey VOC moon at teh 29th degree of scorpio and mercury retrograde at the Inauguration 1-20=09.]

Do you mean Dec '08? I'm also looking at Jan 20 , 2009 and the inauguration of the next US prez. I see a lot of planets in Aquarius in the 9th house... and yes, a VC moon - no not a VC mon (phew) and mercury Rx... Whoa - how will this potentially effect the presidency, do you think?!
Ideas? We are truly struggling here in the US... they just passed the "It's OK to Spy on Americans Bill"!!!

McCain, Obama and Hillary didn't vote on the FISA bill (surprise!) as they are obviously "playing it safe." (If Obama is to get the vote of a slice of the uneducated who don't understand that national security is not dependant on spying on peace activists and ordinary Americans then he will have to be savvy and not set himself up for attack from the right wing-nuts.) Our problem here is that Americans have been so terrified by 9/11 (which was obviously a white house plan) they are willing to give up their liberties believing this will make a difference(!) I swear I can talk till I'm blue in the face to some of these people and they are just plain terrified.

[Otay]

Whoops, h'yeah. I mean 12-08.

Obamalamadingdong skipped the vote on FISA which is the cowardly thing I predicted early this week he would do (that is strike four).
Strike one: campaign financing
Strke two: NAFTA
Strike three: death penalty

Don't get up kats & kittens, he's just another gray suit. (and a liar)

[Otay]

Hello Otay, you had said:

[I have my eye on a number of factors beginning in dec.'09 the ingresses of both mars and pluto into cap a lining (creeping in) just a month after the national election. the dicey VOC moon at teh 29th degree of scorpio and mercury retrograde at the Inauguration 1-20=09.]

Do you mean Dec '08? I'm also looking at Jan 20 , 2009 and the inauguration of the next US prez. I see a lot of planets in Aquarius in the 9th house... and yes, a VC moon and mercury Rx... Whoa - how will this potentially effect the presidency, do you think?!
Ideas? We are truly struggling here in the US... they just passed the "It's OK to Spy on Americans Bill"!!!

Jeez. I don't know how to make a partial quote to save a little bandwidth.


Emily, I think it means what we see sworn in 1-20-09 will be completely changed in some way (maybe that's our "Change" Obama keeps talking about while never defining what that means, ah, well. Seems enough for some people). What we could become the VP as president, so I hope he chooses well. His leo planets fall in the 8th house of that chart meaning either/or his role is to continue siphoning off the country's resources or someone in teh audience pops him along the line.

Obamalama's wife Michelle has a truer connection to this country than he does. Like you, can only hope the truer in spirit of the party will influence him towards doing the right thing. But this "hands across the aisle" tripe is a gesture that has me wondering, who is most naive? Him or Us?

Mama don't care no mo', no mo'. It's a set up from which the people as usual will fail to benefit from.

[emilyelizabeth]

If Obama turns out to be a moderate it's safer than someone who doesn't understand economics (we're on the edge of a global financial melt-down) and expects/wants 100 years of war. McCain has said that he does not know economics many times and only understands war (how scary is that!?).

I actually don't blame Obama for rejecting the public financing - it isn't enough and the people love him - he's getting thousands of timy donations daily that add up incredibly fast. I think he has broken all records. With all the swift-boating and underhanded tactics we all (realistically) expect from the neocons he will need double what they have, to counter it.

As always we have to choose the best of the lot.
Example: I voted for Kerry and would do it again.

So what do you make of all those planets in Aquarius in what looks like will be the 9th house at noon on that day? That's kinda kool.

[Otay]

Emily, I didn't say I wasnt' going to vote for him, and that is my intention for the very reasons you cite.

Those 9th house arrangements certainly appear to be eager cooperation to mend the rifts among other nations. Also, it looks like a good two-way street of sympathic cooperation.
That's a legal house too. Laws could be turned around to the relief of the people who live here (have to look at the inaug chart again to ascertain that).

[emilyelizabeth]

Yes, please.

Otay, May I say that calling someone who is doing all he can to get elected (in this case, changing his mind about public campaign financing which you may call a lie, and others call changing his mind) will ultimatley be to the good of the world.

After what we have experienced since 2000 in our honorable leaders in the US of A, I have reassessed the term "lie", to rate the ones that kill millions of people and destroy economies, and those that effect very little, like taking or not taking public campaign financing.

Personally my level of tollerance has had to broaden in order to survive the stress that surrounds our daily lives now. I've chosen to get behind those who show that their intention is, whether it's moderate or not, to support the people.

[Otay]

With all due respect I will not enter that particular vortex, or edit what I feel in my heart to please someone else, and will abandon this thread if it becomes that.

[Night Sky]

Hi to all who have contributed to this interesting thread.:)

The quesion that was posted was originally about the US, and I think that the US Natal chart with placements in early degrees of Cancer will feel the shockwaves of that July and August 2010 aligment.

Late 2010 is definitely a crazy year for its mega t-square. I looked for something similar and didn´t find anything like it since 1930.

There is the late 1960´s with the Uranus Pluto conjuction, but only Jupiter came to make a conjunction to those two in 69 I think. And Jupiter the great benific made the sixties although explosive and revolutionary in some ways, it was mainly a time of growth and newness, discoveries...

I began wondering what the particulars of the coming 2010 aspects meant but since the signs are Cardinal I think that it should be radically different to what´s in the air right now. Cardinal signs at 00 degrees, critical degrees, should be exciting to say the least.

[BobZemco]

I use a different natal chart, but one that still has Sagittarius rising.

May 6, 2012 is a significant date. Transiting Uranus in the 4th House is exactly conjunct the natal Moon, while the progressed Moon in Cancer in the 8th is exactly conjunct natal Uranus, and directed Pluto is exactly conjunct the MC.

In the past with Uranus transiting Aries in the US 4th House there has been bizarre weather phenomenon that has significantly impacted the US. In the 1930s, there was the Dust Bowl or "Dirty '30s" where drought caused more than 2 Million Americans to flee the Plains States and which destroyed several dozen small towns (literally burying them under dust).

Before that, a severe drought in the South in the 1840s exasperated an economic depression and led to problems, including bizarre legislation rammed through by the North to price gouge southern states. It led to the creation of the US Department of Agriculture in 1862 by Lincoln.

Progressing the chart backwards before that, severe drought in the 1760s destroyed crops in the colonies, and the Stamp Tax Act aggravated already financially distressed farmers leading to the creation of the Stamp Tax Congress and sowed the seeds to revolution. The ensuing depression made things worse for farmers. The Continental Congress bought crops on credit to supply the Continental Army, then later defaulted on debt payments to farmers leading to numerous rebellions (most notably Shay's Rebellion).

During the transit before that, global cooling shortened the growing season in New England during the 1680s resulting in mass starvation and coupled with the Orange Revolution in England, colonial governments in New England were overthrown to create the short-lived Dominion of New England.

We can even go back one more transit to the 1590s when drougth caused the destruction of the Roanoke Colony. Over 2/3 of the colonists died and the remainder apparently sought refuge with a nearby native American group (presumably the Croatans).

The US will experience slow growth and minor economic disarray, but it's getting a boost from transiting Jupiter. Once Jupiter leaves the 2nd House, things will begin to worsen. It coincides nicely with the fact that 23 ethanol plants are starting production now, 46 in 2009 and 100+ are in the site selection/environmental impact study phase and will begin production between 2010 and 2012. Those 173 plants plus the existing operational plants will suck the corn off of the market and drive up food costs but, I don't see the US entering a full blown economic depression until August of 2015, which the US will not fully recover from until 2024.

[emilyelizabeth]

I'm curious, Bob, will you post your natal chart? Were you born in the South by any chance?

[BobZemco]

I think I figured out how to post it. I was born in the south of Ohio, but not The South, or south of the Equator.

I'm not good with images.

[rubyelixir]

Ok Thats it!!!!!! I just saw the candidacy acceptence & All i can say is "WOW" Obama just blew me away. the entire covention has been mythic. Starting with Michelle, Then Hillary in full glory showing us that she will remain a very important politico for years to come (Ted's spot as elder statesman maybe?), Bubba sounding & looking better than ever, My Fav, John Kerry, Down to earth no nonesense from Joe biden (perfect VP choice)

Historic.Hopeful & inspiring.
I hope he doesn't get knocked off by some imbecile.
Anyway.McCain would be sure to muck up the upcoming energies of these intense times and i am convinced if we are to survive in a evolutionary asytrological challenge,(well, just look at us now) we need Obama

YES WE CAN
CHANGE
is eminent

[rubyelixir]

Hi to all who have contributed to this interesting thread.:)

The quesion that was posted was originally about the US, and I think that the US Natal chart with placements in early degrees of Cancer will feel the shockwaves of that July and August 2010 aligment.

Late 2010 is definitely a crazy year for its mega t-square. I looked for something similar and didn´t find anything like it since 1930.

There is the late 1960´s with the Uranus Pluto conjuction, but only Jupiter came to make a conjunction to those two in 69 I think. And Jupiter the great benific made the sixties although explosive and revolutionary in some ways, it was mainly a time of growth and newness, discoveries...

I began wondering what the particulars of the coming 2010 aspects meant but since the signs are Cardinal I think that it should be radically different to what´s in the air right now. Cardinal signs at 00 degrees, critical degrees, should be exciting to say the least.


Thanks for bringing this back to what my question was, but all astrology aside. The Democratic Convention blew me away. Ted, Michelle, Hillary , Bubba, John Kerry, Joe Biden, last but not least Obama REALLY impressed me & made me have hope for the future. Possibly its just the Neptune talking but Neptune also represents high spiritual knowledge aside from idealism & illusion. I really hope that the Dems are in in 2010 because the real illusion I see is continually repeated by the Repugs & I swear they are lookin more & more like the show "Hee Haw"

If we are to rise above in 2010 & 2012 we must be moving towards the ideals presented in the DNC - "UNITY" was the ,main message & that is the ONLY positive future, if we get the Repugs again , we are in for a VERY BUMPY RIDE, one we may not survive as a nation.

[Monkey_Business]

Other than just another year 2010 and 2012 they will most likely pass without a hitch...these are things I like to call "Suicide Prophecy" this is basically mans wish for his impending doom to come true. A little research will show you that since 46BC these type of ridiculous predictions have been going on and none have came to fruition in the past. There's been like 220 of them. There was the big Y2K scare that nothing happened, in 1000 AD a scare was created that the return of Christ was coming did not happen. Sad part about all this is the fact that some people become so terrified that they sell and give away everything they own in preparation for the big event. Its all no more than a money making scheme and these so called prophets rake in millions every year with these false predictions.

Its like crying wolf after a while people get to where they pay no attention to this stuff...I mean you can believe what you want but I would not push the panic button just yet. The Mayan Calendar is just that a calendar thats ending in 2012 nothing more...visit these links:

http://www.religioustolerance.org/end_wrl2.htm

http://www.sullivan-county.com/nf0/y2k/bible_ca.htm

[rubyelixir]

Other than just another year 2010 and 2012 they will most likely pass without a hitch...these are things I like to call "Suicide Prophecy" this is basically mans wish for his impending doom to come true. A little research will show you that since 46BC these type of ridiculous predictions have been going on and none have came to fruition in the past. There's been like 220 of them. There was the big Y2K scare that nothing happened, in 1000 AD a scare was created that the return of Christ was coming did not happen. Sad part about all this is the fact that some people become so terrified that they sell and give away everything they own in preparation for the big event. Its all no more than a money making scheme and these so called prophets rake in millions every year with these false predictions.

Its like crying wolf after a while people get to where they pay no attention to this stuff...I mean you can believe what you want but I would not push the panic button just yet. The Mayan Calendar is just that a calendar thats ending in 2012 nothing more...visit these links:

http://www.religioustolerance.org/end_wrl2.htm

http://www.sullivan-county.com/nf0/y2k/bible_ca.htm


Monkey, with all due respect, my question is refering to the upcoming astrological configurations that are very rare and significant & how it will affect the US leadership. It was not a "suicide prophecy" or Doomsday related question. If one chooses to look at the aspects that way then that is one interpretation but the question has nothing to do with "The End"

[archergirl]

Some may find this of interest:

http://thepowerpath.com/what-is-new/the-presidential-candidates-as-symbols-and-projections-where-are-we-g.html

AG:)

[rubyelixir]

Very interesting Archer. I was not aware of shamanistic path levels. Most of the information was appropriate however I disagree with some of the assessments.

I liked the part about Socrates particularly the part about the Iriquois

"A long time ago Socrates warned of elections such as these. He opposed democratic elections in his time because he could see that elections would turn into popularity contests, each side promising the world just to get elected. He felt that would lead to success-oriented souls dominating the power and would produce bad leaders in the long run. He proposed selecting a leader based on real leadership ability and true maturity. He suggested that this be done by a smaller group of the wisest people around. Undoubtedly they would pick someone who would probably want to run screaming away from the job. That, he thought, would make for a truly good leader without vested interests or ego. For these ideas he was accused of poisoning the minds of the youth and condemned to death. Yes, his ideas may sound like heresy and may have their own problems but they are worth considering once again. Do elections of this nature where money, lobbyists, media manipulation and popularity really produce the best leader. Given what we have seen of lately, probably not. Perhaps the Iroquois nation had it right by giving to the job of selecting a leader to a council of wise women who could retract the leadership anytime they thought it was being abused. That might just work. "

Thanks for the link

[rubyelixir]

Now that the elections are over I want to bump this up to the top again .

We have OBAMA now!!! (yay)so what do you think this means?

Personally I am elated but to bring me back down to reality I am reposting this excerpt fromBill Streett in 2004:

here is a good article about it (written in 2004 by bill street)
http://astrologyforthesoul.com/bills...lications.html (http://astrologyforthesoul.com/bills...lications.html)

here's an excerpt:
"To review, occurring in 2010 is a T-Square alignment involving Saturn, Uranus, and Pluto—a rare alignment and a profound symbol connoting societal and socio-economic transformation.
Although the full explication of this alignment has been addressed in the previous two essays, I will borrow an iconographic image from popular culture to help to better understand the meaning behind the planetary symbolism. One of the most popular scenes in the original Star Wars involves the rebel forces caught within a trash compactor. Trying to elude oncoming storm troopers, Luke Skywalker, Han Solo, and other members of the rebel alliance find themselves trapped within a garbage processing machine. With the walls of the trash compactor closing in on the heroes swiftly, time is of the essence and a creative solution is absolutely imperative. This famous scene captures so many of the potentials and meanings of the 2010 alignment involving Saturn, Pluto, and Uranus: constrictive forces creating crisis; garbage, waste, and unprocessed filth; rebels and revolutionaries; rebirth from the darkness into a new case scenario; and elemental intensity that demands awareness and creative solutions. This scene from Star Wars mirrors the significance behind the 2010 alignment....."

yikes!


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[tikana]

Now that the elections are over I want to bump this up to the top again .

We have OBAMA now!!! (yay)so what do you think this means?

Personally I am elated but to bring me back down to reality I am reposting this excerpt fromBill Streett in 2004:

here is a good article about it (written in 2004 by bill street)
http://astrologyforthesoul.com/bills...lications.html

here's an excerpt:
"To review, occurring in 2010 is a T-Square alignment involving Saturn, Uranus, and Pluto—a rare alignment and a profound symbol connoting societal and socio-economic transformation.
Although the full explication of this alignment has been addressed in the previous two essays, I will borrow an iconographic image from popular culture to help to better understand the meaning behind the planetary symbolism. One of the most popular scenes in the original Star Wars involves the rebel forces caught within a trash compactor. Trying to elude oncoming storm troopers, Luke Skywalker, Han Solo, and other members of the rebel alliance find themselves trapped within a garbage processing machine. With the walls of the trash compactor closing in on the heroes swiftly, time is of the essence and a creative solution is absolutely imperative. This famous scene captures so many of the potentials and meanings of the 2010 alignment involving Saturn, Pluto, and Uranus: constrictive forces creating crisis; garbage, waste, and unprocessed filth; rebels and revolutionaries; rebirth from the darkness into a new case scenario; and elemental intensity that demands awareness and creative solutions. This scene from Star Wars mirrors the significance behind the 2010 alignment....."

yikes!

yeah and what is really scarry is that there will be US domino effect.. just look at US'natal chart

nothing good with OBAMA! Welcome to HELL!

T


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[emilyelizabeth]

Barack Obama's natal info has been given as August 4, 1961, 1:06 pm AHST, Honolulu, HI by a student of Robert Hand's. That puts his Sun in the 10th house, the placement of a great orator -- for a start. Please feel free to reconfigure according to the correct birth info.

[blueheron]

Barack Obama's natal info has been given as August 4, 1961, 1:06 pm AHST, Honolulu, HI by a student of Robert Hand's. That puts his Sun in the 10th house, the placement of a great orator -- for a start. Please feel free to reconfigure according to the correct birth info.

I have rectified O'bama's chart (vedic), and have concluded that the original time that had been posted on Lois Rodden's site, 1:06 pm is the correct time.

Since it's very difficult to convey the way to rectify in the vedic system to a non-vedic astrologer, I have to simply report that this was my conclusion. If there's a vedic astrologer who wants to know what I did, I can be pm'd.

[blueheron]

Now that the elections are over I want to bump this up to the top again .

We have OBAMA now!!! (yay)so what do you think this means?

Personally I am elated but to bring me back down to reality I am reposting this excerpt fromBill Streett in 2004:

here is a good article about it (written in 2004 by bill street)
http://astrologyforthesoul.com/bills...lications.html

here's an excerpt:
"To review, occurring in 2010 is a T-Square alignment involving Saturn, Uranus, and Pluto—a rare alignment and a profound symbol connoting societal and socio-economic transformation.
Although the full explication of this alignment has been addressed in the previous two essays, I will borrow an iconographic image from popular culture to help to better understand the meaning behind the planetary symbolism. One of the most popular scenes in the original Star Wars involves the rebel forces caught within a trash compactor. Trying to elude oncoming storm troopers, Luke Skywalker, Han Solo, and other members of the rebel alliance find themselves trapped within a garbage processing machine. With the walls of the trash compactor closing in on the heroes swiftly, time is of the essence and a creative solution is absolutely imperative. This famous scene captures so many of the potentials and meanings of the 2010 alignment involving Saturn, Pluto, and Uranus: constrictive forces creating crisis; garbage, waste, and unprocessed filth; rebels and revolutionaries; rebirth from the darkness into a new case scenario; and elemental intensity that demands awareness and creative solutions. This scene from Star Wars mirrors the significance behind the 2010 alignment...."

yikes!

I thought this was very well said. Thanks for posting. It makes me ponder what the Universe has in store. Uranus guarantees it'll be a series of surprises. Expect the unexpected, and along with that, electronic technological breakthroughs. Recently, a new way was found to produce a photo-voltaic cell that is way more cost effective than the old slices of silicon that had to be cut with enormous precision by very special (and expensive) machines. Since then, the solar industry has taken off like a brush fire. I see Smart cars around town, more and more of them each day. (air-powered cars.) Uranus is already working at warp speed.

Reminds me of those famous words:

"Strap yourselves in, boys and girls, as we go rocketing off into another fun-filled adventure!"

Mighty Mouse.

Challenging years ahead... absolutely. We'll be challenged to the very core of our being. And, there will be many of us who won't make it. But, in the long run, I hold only thoughts of healing, healing, healing, spiritual ecology and planetary healing, despite all odds.

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll204/yanaar/Gaia%20Healing/thHealing-presence-1.jpg

Jupiter enters Aries in June of 2010, and makes several conjunctions with Uranus.


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