Will my boyfriend and i resolve our disagreement?

[jag]

Time asked 6:57 a.m. in time zone 5, 71w05 42.46 (bradford, MA,. USA)
asc 15 aqu 40 reg house system.

first thing i notice is that i have all the power with a loaded first house. i like to use modern rulerships so aquarius is ruled by uranus which is in the first house (i'm taking that to mean i have a wealth of avenues to take here). he is represented by leo on the 7th. there are no aspects between uranus and and the sun. the moon is approaching a perfect square which means this is one big bold fight.

moon is in the third house of communication and that is very appropriate there was a communication issue that started everything. there is an applying square from the moon to mercury. the moon however is conjunct mars before it changes signs. mercury is combust so that isn't positive for the 4th house of how things end up but... there is an astrology part, juno, that symbolizes marriage and that is in the 4th house so in our heart of hearts we want to be a family and be married. could venus in the 12th hint at information being hidden?

how to approach dilemma and what do i do. for right now, i should just do nothing. where the 7th is empty it shows that he is emotionally unable to fix things right now and he's keeping his love hidden (venus in the 12th). with mercury in the first house and combust i have to be the one to open the door to communication. maybe neptune conjunct sun means i am dreaming this relationship to be something it isn't again 12th house venus too. there are many parallels and ivy said this aspect means it's as good as done; with negative and positive aspects i see a bigger yes than a no.

as for timing when this resolution will occur.... moon perfects mars in 5 degrees and both signs are in a fixed sign (and the are both in the house of communication as that is the main purpose of the disagreement) so i'm guessing it will take 5 weeks and i shouldn't expect him to make the first move and it ultimately lands in my lap to get things smoothed over... i'm guessing after five weeks he will be cooperative and willing/wanting to mend this argument but he can't initiate the act of fixing what is wrong because he has no clue. it's interesting too that he is represented by saturn because the main point in the argument was he only thinks of himself and that's what he is doing now, he can't think of anyone but what needs he needs to be met better be forthcoming because it's expected and demanded of his partner.

i'm sure i missed some obvious things but i at least felt with this chart i'm not looking at a foreign language and things are starting to come together. if anyone could take a quick peek at this, i'd appreciate your input.

thank god venus is now direct!

jag

[Draco]

I'm bringing the horaries that haven't been answered to the top of the list, because it isn't fair that newer posts should get answered before earlier questions have been responded to. I'll try an interpret this question myself if I get chance, unless someone else can have a go?

Draco :wink:

[Arian Maverick]

Time asked 6:57 a.m. in time zone 5, 71w05 42.46 (bradford, MA,. USA)
asc 15 aqu 40 reg house system.

Two things I need in order to post the chart...

First, what day was this--should I use the day this question was posted on the forums?

Also, Astrodienst comes up with two possible hits for Bradford, MA...and neither one has the exact coordinates you supplied.

Bradford, ME (US) = Maine, 45n04, 68w56
Bradford Center, ME (US) = Maine, 45n04, 68w54

Aquarian Maverick

[jag]

hi AM

sorry about that stuff. the coords are 42n46 71w05 for bradford, massachusetts. and the time in the message content is what should be used and not the time posted as i was working throughout the day to try and decipher what i could.

thanks....
jag

[Arian Maverick]

Thanks for the new coordinates, but I still do not know the date you first asked the question :wink:

Aquarian Maverick

[jag]

yikes! i H-A-T-E people like me who don't give all the information that is requested of them especially when they are asking for constructive input. verrry sorry i made you have to ask again.

date: feb 5th 2006
time: 6:57 a.m. (EST)
time zone: 5
house system: regi
coordinates for bradford massachusetts (71w05 and 42n46)

thanks for your patience and persistence.....
jag

[Arian Maverick]

No problem, jag...I just didn't make myself clear the first time :wink:

http://img55.imageshack.us/img55/2530/jaghorarychart5mj.png (http://imageshack.us)

Hopefully I didn't make any stupid errors like I did in my last attempt...can someone do a double-check just in case? :roll:

Aquarian Maverick

P.S. In case you didn't know, I'm just the resident Virgo-South-Node HTML person...I like to make myself useful by creating natal/horary charts and uploading them here, because I am useless at interpretation.

Hopefully Draco or Lapis or any of the other gifted astrologers will get around to answering your question soon :wink:

[jag]

wow what a coincidence AM!

i have three natals in aquarius in the 3rd house. so i'm a wordaholic who loves her man to be her best friend (ven in aq/3rd), gets crazy looks from anyone in earshot when i speak of future subjects (mercury in aq/3rd) and has to remember to real it in and take is slowly (saturn in aq/3rd). i sometimes feel more aquarian then my scorp rising and pisces sun. now the really strange part is that one of my boyfriends last voice messages had him telling me he was a.... you got it "maverick"... don't know if you mean it in the same jesse james sense he is trying to get me to buy into but it just hit me now when i saw your reply! coincidence...? i'm not so sure.

thanks for taking a moment to do up that chart and it looks like the one i have so i think we are golden. love to join you on the south node side but mine south is in capricorn. this may be off subject here but i "think" it's written somewhere that if a person's personal natal planet hits your south node you have a past life connection. i wouldn't count because i have uranus and pluto in virgo and they aren't "personal" planets. i'd love to see if that is true in the future just through reading forums like this. so much more personal with anyone being able to voice an opinion or relay a story or two.

jag

[Draco]

Hi Jag,

I'll have a look at this chart for you and tell you what I see. I don't like to use modern rulerships, so if it's okay, I will not be including the modern planets in my interpretation, they're very interesting in natal charts, but for horary, they tend to get in the way and make things more complicated than it needs to be.

Beth,

Thankyou again for uploading the chart. It's so much better for people reading this to have a visual example to refer to, and those who don't know about horary can learn from it.

Jag,

Aquarius rises, so you are Saturn retro. in Leo in the 6th. You are also signified by the Sun and Mercury combust in the 1st, hence being represented in two houses you are referred to in two parts.

could venus in the 12th hint at information being hidden?

There is more than Venus indicating information being hidden:

The Sun is in it's sign of detriment, but is afforded accidental dignity by is close conjunction with the ascendant. The fact that you asked your question around sunrise shows how certain issues need to be brought to light, which would be the best thing for you to do in your detrimented position. With the Sun and Mercury in the 1st, you are concious of your need to communicate, but Mercury is combust, devoured by the Sunlight, so I sense that along with this you are also conciously concealing information. The Sun is ruler of the 7th, so you are concious of concealing information from your boyfriend. Combust Mercury rules the intercepted 4th house in Gemini, so information regarding your background, history or the past is being concealed, also Mercury rules the 5th cusp, so you are not revealing your full knowledge regarding the sex life.

Saturn, your proper significator, is retrograde in the 6th. Saturn retrograde suggests a reluctance or inability to resolve the issue, perhaps there are feelings of regret about this, but you need to reveal information and this is being held back. The 6th house shows mundane chores which are performed out of necessity, so you are aware of your obligation to communicate and resolve the issue and perhaps feel guilt about this. Goldstein-Jacobson notes that Saturn in the 6th house of a horary indicates much hard work but little appreciation or pay back, suggesting although you may work hard at a resolution you may feel that little will come of this. You fear going back to labour at it all over again. Saturn is in it's own face but this affords little compensation for being in it's sign of detriment. In short you are in a bad position in regards to this question. There may be guilt and a feeling of futility.

It is interesting that two of your significators, Sun and Saturn are opposed to one another, representing seemingly irreconcilable sides of yourself, the side which is the rising Sun seeking to bring concealed information (combust Mercury) to light, and the side which is reluctant and guilty and carries a burden fearing that the chore of attempting to bring forth a resolution will profit you little. However, the Sun and Saturn both detrimented reveal that these two seemingly irreconcilable sides of your self must ultimately be reconciled, as both are in mutual reception and so allieviate each others detriment. Honesty is the best policy here.

The 6th house is ruled by the Moon in the 3rd, which again points to communication difficulties, and it's conjunction with Mars makes this an argumentitive and troubled Moon. It is necessary to communicate honestly but you fear that in doing so will stir up an emotional storm.

Your boyfriend is the Sun, as the 7th cusp is in Leo, which is interesting as the Sun on the AC is one of your significators. This shows how much your boyfriend is featuring in your conciousness, but also how you are aware that you are concealing information from him (Sun combust Mercury).

Also, note the aforementioned mutual reception between the Sun and Saturn, they are detrimented on thier own, but in mutual reception alleviate each others detriment, in short, you need each other.

The Sun separates from an opposition to Saturn showing how the most intense period of disagreement has now past, however they are still opposed showing how the disagreement is still active. As it is the Sun separating from Saturn it shows how your boyfriend is leaving the conflict behind, but you carry a burden of guilt as symbolised by Saturn retrograde, for you, there is more to be said.

The waxing Moon separates a fixed square from the Sun, and as the Moon is in the 3rd joined to Mars showing argument, this suggests again that the matter is being dropped by the boyfriend, however the Moon is waxing so trouble brews despite the fact that the Moon moves away, and then of course the Moon conjuncts Mars, which the Sun applies a fixed square to. There is a storm brewing. There will be argument, anger and hostility demonstrated by the boyfriend when more information is added to whatever caused the previous conflict.

The Sun also forms a fixed square to Jupiter in Scorpio in the 9th and this occurs before the Sun square Mars trouble. I do not know whether your boyfriend has any religious, philosophical or spiritual beliefs, but Scorpio is mystic, and Jupiter in the 9th suggest consultation of an astrologer, psychic or religious representative, and as the aspect is across fixed signs this would be someone the boyfriend has an existing connection with. I would also add that as Jupiter is law and so is the 9th, the boyfriend may consult a lawyer for some reason. The suggestion of visiting consultants of some sort given by the square to Jupiter in the 9th, suggests that the boyfriend is looking for answers, and he comes to them with troubles as shown by the square. Whoever the consultant, he seeks wisdom and guidance, and whatever answers it is that he finds leads to the argumentative and rowdy square to Mars in the 3rd, the Sun's next aspect after Jupiter. It also causes me to wonder what information it is that you are concealing, and why it is such a difficult labour to reveal it.

Lastly, we come to the Moon, general significator, which as we have observed is in Taurus in the 3rd. The Moon in conjunction with Mars in the third, signifies a situation in which there is soreness of emotion and problematic communications, conflict and disagreement. The Moon is in Venus' sign and the cusp of the 3rd house is ruled by Venus. Now, Venus is in the 12th, which again suggests that there are secrets being kept, particularly Venus ruling the 3rd cusp, and Saturn, your significator is ruling that 12th cusp, again emphasisng the secrets you keep and the information you have not revealed. With Venus in the 12th and Combust Mercury ruling the 5th and the 4th, some of these unrevealed secrets may consist of whom you have had carnal relations with in the past.

The Moon separates an earth trine from Venus, indicating past practical and enjoyable activity, and its contact with Venus suggests that undisclosed information regarding the sex life is impacting upon the issue. The Moon separates from the Sun across fixed signs, significator of both you and your boyfriend suggesting that this was possibly the source of the disagreement. The Moon separates from a square to Mercury - the undisclosed information - and then boom! It collides with Mars in the third, making for rows and harsh exchanges of words.

So in answer to your question of whether or not you and your boyfriend will resolve your disagreement, I feel that far from being resolved, the situation is set to escalate.

Forgive me if I was off the mark with this reading, and please give feedback as to how you felt about it.

Good luck with your relationship.

Draco :wink:

[jag]

hi draco....

oh my goodness i'm kind of scared to answer the phone or door! just kidding....

there has been brief contact where he's tied up at work and lives far away from me so i don't have luxury of nearness. i had a harsh encounter with a lawyer who is making things ridiculously stressful and my bf sent me a quick email yesterday and it was short, concise and did pretty much indicate yeah we had a spat i still love you. so he has moved on like you said.

i don't know what's on the horizon but i didn't for a second think things were peachy keen from his brief email. he's keeping things hidden by not telling me what i need to know so that i'm not a short oder maid when he wants to see me. he won't see that one coming and might be very hostile and feel like i'm hiding much more but i'm not. he's also "testing" me to make sure i'm worthy of a commitment and that heats me up because i am not his past relationships, i'm me and he needs to let go of past hurts.

i *think* if things do work out, it will be this weekend unless he has to work which again aggravates me that i'm not put in as a priority and he is hurt beyond belief if i am not free to be there at a drop of the hat. alittle uneveness there that if it ain't compromised.... gonna be a big hot angry man because he's going to conjure up things that aren't true and his hurt will erupt into an irreversible parting. he's already made attempts at trying to not blow it all up but heck i've always been the bendable one and i am really thinking i'm the one giving and i'm not receiving a fraction of what i'm expected to be and give him. it can work out i feel but i'm not sure that all the planet energies will be in line during that crucial face to face encounter. if it's attempted over the fone we are dead in the water cause misunderstandings happen and words aren't taken the way they are meant cause you can't see the person.

i'll post one way or the other when something concrete shows up. if we've managed to patch things up or the ship sank to the bottom of the love ocean.

ps there is nothing concerning former lover on my end or anything wrong or at cause in the sex department which would have really added things and caused potentially volatile explosiions.

i still had hair stand up on my neck when i read excerpts because i don't see it but it doesn't mean it isn't right in front of me. there is no matter what happens a soul connection that broght us back together when i was feared to be not living through the night. he said he saw me in the icu and when his eyes met mine, he knew he would always love me and that it would not go away, not for me anyway. but sometimes love doesn't conquer all and you can love someone but you can't live with them. neither one of us will be jumping for joy should we not be able to iron it out but will always wish the best for the other, with no spitefullness or wishes of harm in secret or openly.

wow i thought it showed i had the majority of the power with so many planets in the first but i guess it shows all the obstacles and hurdles in the way of this spat.

thanks for taking all the time you did to decipher the chart. once there is any resolution of breakup or makeup i can address other traits you mentioned that i don't see right now but may be right in front of my nose.

smiles.....
jag

[jag]

hi draco

well you hit the next part pretty good. things did escalate and as they BLEW UP he hinted at keeping something he thought would be a problem. i had no idea there was anything and he may have just made something up because of his inability to handle things that will work out. so now the last part of this puzzle is does it resolve or does it dissolve. i got 5 weeks in the chart and a week has gone by and i'm guessing there should be contact in 4 weeks by me but in the mean time, i'm to make sure i am not contacted in order for him to sort through feelings and realize he misses me and WANTS to work it out. if there is intermittent contact it's really just going to be like beating a dead horse over and over and over again. if i wait quietly, even if it does end it will end where there is closure on both ends and not leave us in confused pain on either end. you said it would escalate but there was never a after it escalated it would ebb and things would be worked through in time or that the escalation was the final nail in the coffin. when we spoke for a minute on the phone last night cause i needed to get a personal item i had in an overnight bag there that was urgently needed but i couldn't i was diagnosed with the flu yesterday and was very sick. he was being nasty and mean and lashing out but then there was a tenderness in his voice at times so i think the time out will give him room to realize he doesn't want to end it and the time out helped us stop the insanity and we can fix what needs to be addressed.

i think relationship charts are like the greatest and most interesting charts there are. it's sort of like a short novel in a circular platform. i just hope someday i can unbiasedly translate charts. and this is good because i can pass time while out of work on an on the job injury and it helps me keep away from contacting him. the problem is that we are meant to be and he knows that but it scares him and i think he's afraid i'll wake up one day and decide to leave him. but for someone who didn't want to be with me he was talking about a company contacting him for a job and some other personal things that he wouldn't have talked about if he didn't want me in his life. so it's a matter of him simmering down.... he's a red head and definitely has that fiery temper!

thanks for the way you did translate because it was broken down into key parts and now you know so far that most of it was on target but a couple of minor points did not apply.

smiles
jag

[jag]

i believe this has now been answered. answer: yes.

he left me some messages on my answering machine on saturday that had me knowing he was extremely hurt but still extremely in love. we did get together and have decided we want to be with each other and have told each other what we thought and what we want. there will still be some spats because i was never told what he was "allulding" to when he said he thought the relationship couldn't withstand this. i do think that i will be able to calmly and nonacccusingly approach him in the near future and get an answer. he said something like this a long time ago and as it turned out, he was making a mountain out of a molehill and he needn't have wasted time thinking what he did.

thanks for the inputs. draco... you pointing out the clues in the chart as to why things were so volatile was, i believe, a major influence on the way i able to approach things--> you gave me the ability to stand back from the situation and handle is responsibily and maturely. your take on the chart's clues was hard to read but necessary in order to have different doors to open instead of hitting a brick wall every turn i made. your expertise in horary was definitely the key to have an opportunity for the best outcome possible. your time wasn't for nothing, it gave me the ability to be rational in a very unrational situation. thank you so very much!

smiles
jag

[Draco]

Hi Jag,

Thankyou for your kind words in response to the horary. I am only a student of horary, and I still have quite a lot to learn. Horary seems deceptively simple, some of the technicalities elude me and it's a real challenge to try and bring it all together sometimes, but thankyou for allowing me to practice with your question because I can learn from my mistakes and successes.

I wish you luck in your relationship. It was a sweet story. I hope you both go on to fulfil whatever destiny it is you are meant to achieve together.

Sorry if you found some of my interpretation worrying in any way, this wasn't my intention, I was just saying waht I saw - according to my as yet incomplete knowledge and practice.

However, I knew things would flare up again, and that things would not be resolved until after this. :wink:

I think in future I should hesitate upon timing things until I have learned more. I have discovered that in many ways of timing a chart, and I am unsure as to the way I used timing with yours was the most appropriate - but who knows? Wait and see.

Good luck Jag, and hankyou for your feedback because it helps me to learn.

Hope you both have a lovely Valentine's day tomorrow.

Draco :wink:

[Draco]

Hi Jag,

Thankyou for your kind words in response to the horary. I am only a student of horary, and I still have quite a lot to learn. Horary seems deceptively simple, and in a way it is but some of the technicalities elude me and it's a real challenge to try and bring it all together sometimes, but thankyou for allowing me to practice with your question because I can learn from my mistakes and successes.

I wish you luck in your relationship. It was a sweet story. I hope you both go on to fulfil whatever destiny it is you are meant to achieve together.

Sorry if you found some of my interpretation worrying in any way, this wasn't my intention, I was just trying to say what I saw in the most general terms - according to my as yet incomplete knowledge and practice.

However, I knew things would flare up again, and that things would not be resolved until after this. :wink:

I think in future I should hesitate upon timing things until I have learned more. I have discovered that there are many ways of timing a chart, and I am unsure as to the way I used timing with yours was the most appropriate - but who knows? Wait and see.

Good luck Jag, and thankyou for your feedback because it helps me to learn.

Hope you both have a lovely Valentine's day tomorrow.

Draco :wink: