Astrological Mythology

[Elianah]

Greetings everyone!

I have been checking out some other astrology boards over the past few weeks just to see what others were thinking about and came away with some brain ticklers that I’d thought I’d share and see what the board thinks.

This first thread is on Astrological Mythology. Before we go any farther, please let me give my definition of myth and mythology so everyone knows where I am coming from as the rest of this post unfolds. Here in the U.S., it seems that the popular cultural notion of myth is that it is a lie or untruth, Usually a book with the title of The Myth of… is trying to debunk something the author believes is false, from what I have seen.

I want to step back into a different meaning of the word myth that I think is important for astrologers to consider when doing readings for clients. A myth is a story a person (or culture) constructs to make sense of the world around them. This world can be the immediate world that the person usually consciously and purposefully interacts with everyday—family, friends, work, local chapters of organizations, etc.—, Then there is the indirect world which influences the person but the person usually does not consciously and purposefully interact with on a daily basis. Here in the United States this would most likely include state and national politics, the corporations that our workplace may be a division of, national organizations (business, religious, humanitarian, charity, etc.). The next is the global world which influences in the same way as the indirect but in a much more subliminal way since it is much more difficult for a person to interact in a one-on-one way with what is happening on the other side of the globe. The key, I think, is the level of conscious and purposeful interaction the person is able to steadily maintain in the areas.

For instance, there may be a few people on the planet that can hold all life and the Earth in the immediate world state constantly and consistently. A wonderous feat to be sure, but probably not in the cards for 99.999% of humanity at this time. It is something for all humanity to aspire to in its evolution, but most of humanity is not there yet by any stretch of the imagination.

Most of humanity, I think, works between the three states and emphasizes the one that matters most to them. Thus for some the global world might become the immediate world and vice versa. Again, this is due to the conscious and purposeful interaction the person has with the particular world. Whatever people intentionally set their minds on consistently becomes the immediate world for them.

Astrology works with a fourth world. This is the world of the hidden, forgotten, the world of long-term human mythology. This world is the collective wonderings of our subspecies of the hominid tree. The wonderings are based on the following things:

1) Why am I here?
2) How did I get here?
3) What am I supposed to be doing?
4) Who am I?
5) Where am I going?
6) When am I going to reach where I am supposed to go?
7) How do I know what it is I am supposed to be doing?
8) Who are the others around me and how do I interact with them?

The way each person, each family, each clan, each nation has tried to answer these questions adds a different strata to human mythological world. The thing I find fascinating is that we all plumb the depths of this world, whether we fully recognize and acknowledge it or not. Mythology is where we keep our hopes of a healthier world and our worries of those things that go bump in the night.

How a person draws from that mythology, consciously or unconsciously, will indicate how the person will most likely respond to the use of mythological images in astrology. For a person who has very little understanding of Greco-Roman mythology, the characters of the planets may have no voice because that person cannot relate to the image of a pagan God or Goddess. They are myth, in the modern understanding of the term, for the person. If it is myth then it has no meaning, therefore astrology has no meaning.

It is important, therefore, for the astrologer to understand the underlying archetypes of the planets and how they relate to the mythological wonderings of humans in order to translate for the client the symbology inherent in astrology in a way that is accessible for the client. In order to do that, the astrologer needs to step out of his or her own personal mythology and fully listen to the client’s personal mythology. Then the astrologer, guided by the client’s soul, will be able to give information to the client in such a way that it can either be thought about at a much deeper level or actually acted upon because it makes sense to the client.

What can be very difficult to do, as I have witnessed for myself and through others, is the stepping out of personal mythology to be that clear channel for the client’s soul and personal mythology through astrology or any other type of metaphysical activity. Why? I think it is because our personal mythology needs and wants its voice to be heard and any type of counseling situation can bring out the personal mythology’s authority side. A client is coming for help and our personal mythology is going to try to interpret from its experience and make it fit the client. And this usually happens at the unconscious level and we don’t even realize that this is taking place.

Which is why astrologers need to understand their own charts as fully as possible, I believe. This way astrologers can converse with their personal mythology and give it full voice on the issues they have faced, are facing and will face. The more personal time astrologers give to this, the more able they will be at stepping outside their mythology to be witness to and give voice to the client’s soul and personal mythology.

Elianah

[Kite]

Thanks for the post Elianah. My opinion is that the astrologer needs to start with a premise that the client can agree to. That premise in my mind is that one creates their reality from their beliefs. In other words we have free will in play if we can tune into the personal and collective beliefs in play.

I see my job, at least with myself, to identify the beliefs that harmonize with what I'd like in my life and to uncover/change/transmute those that don't. I think the natal chart, transits, progressions can all provide clues to the conditioning that has taken place (is taking place) both as a positive force and as a limiting or restrictive force.

I think there is a natural consciousness evolutionary process in place that we as "symbol readers" can help facilitate. This process, I believe, gets us to the place where we are co-creators in forming our reality. This is the approach I've taken with myself and the approach I find most comfortable with when engaging with other people's charts.

I think the points you make on understanding your own chart so you can understand others' are good ones..I would just go one step beyond that and suggest that understanding your approach is just as important if not more so.

In your post it sounds like your approach is to map the reading to the individual's mythology. I'm not sure if that is an approach or a style/method for translating your insights. What do you think?

Kite

[Elianah]

Hi Kite,

Thanks for your response!

I totally agree with what you say about starting with a premise that the client can agree with. Perhaps by asking the client what s/he thinks about when s/he hears the names of the planets is one way to do that. Another way might be by asking what type of information the client is looking for in his/her life at the time and what s/he is hoping astrology will provide to that end. The astrologer might also ask if this is the first time the client has had a full astrological reading (not a 20-minute psychic fair reading) and how what response did the client have to the reading, immediately and long-term. These all can help show how the personal mythology of the client works, and I am sure there are many other ways beyond these few ideas.

For example, if a client comes in wearing a well-worn Star Wars t-shirt, the astrologer might use it for an ice breaker on the first meeting and see how involved with the Star Wars saga the person is (depending, of course, how well-versed the astrologer is with the saga). If the person is strongly involved with the saga, perhaps casting some astrological precepts through the characters or incidents within the saga will work to help connect the client with the reading.

This is part of what I was speaking to when I was writing about personal mythology in the realm of astrological mythology.

Astrologers, I think, are facilitators for the co-creation of life between the client and the client’s higher self. Finding a common symbolic language between the client and the client’s higher self is important. The client’s higher self does resonate and understand the ancient astrological mythology, I believe, even when the client does not — whether that is through personal choice or ignorance. Astrologers help negotiate those symbols between the client and the client’s higher self in order to develop a shared language so they can communicate freely and easily with one another.

I also agree that understanding one’s own approach to both life and astrology is critical when guiding others’ co-creative processes of others through readings. For me, I see astrology as one of the tools the client’s higher self uses to heal and expand the client. In order to do that, a common language needs to be developed between the higher self and the client. This is where the personal mythology comes into play because the astrologer acts as an interpreter between both parties in a way that allows the client to more easily accept and act upon the messages the higher self is providing through the reading.

That is why it is important for me, as an astrologer, to step outside my own personal mythology the moment I begin reading for a client. I need to be as clear a channel as possible for the client’s higher self as possible, and fully present for that client in that moment. My personal story should not enter into the reading unless there is something that the client’s higher self is wanting to draw from to provide an example. And I need to make sure that it truly is the client’s higher self that is doing that.

Now this may still be clear as mud :( and I take full responsibility for that. My approach is a work in progress, just as I am a work in progress. :) It will grow and change as I grow and change. I also realize my approach may not work for very many people, and I can live with that.

Bright blessings,

Elianah

[Natasha]

There is a growing trend by astrologers for the first time to draw on mythology when understanding a transit or a chart. The actual mythology is being interpeted within our inner landscape rather than externally or literally.
I think this is an important part of the astrology for the new age.
It is said that as the heavens heave & groan into a new age the old gods die & new gods are born. We do not know who the new gods will be or how the old gods will 'die'. But it seems likely the new gods could have some connection to us being responsible for our own inner landscape

[Elianah]

It is said that as the heavens heave & groan into a new age the old gods die & new gods are born. We do not know who the new gods will be or how the old gods will 'die'. But it seems likely the new gods could have some connection to us being responsible for our own inner landscape

Very well said!

[C1]

Elianah,
Well, hi from the galactic center...where've you been?

First, I liked the way the emoticon emerged here:

8) Who are the others around me and how do I interact with them?
:?

In establishing responsible inner myths
and working with clients who are not
greco-roman myth carriers (maybe they
are indigenous....for example)....maybe
it's a mutual story-telling regarding myths.

Maybe it's an opening-up to receiving previously
hidden true meanings of the function of the
planets in our solar system, (sparked by a re-membering
of the myths involving Venus or Pluto, Sun, Moon, Uranus....)

(am I making any sense here? :cry: )

...and now discussing the current client's chart in relation to
her responses, and to
the energies and actions astrologically connected
with the houses and signs....

Hooray! Myths can change and so do we transform!

--my dos centavos

PS>Natasha -- brilliant insight, I agree with Elianah!

C1

[amzolt]

Elianah, C1, Natasha, and Kite,
I found your posts very interesting!
My 2 cents is:
1 cent:
The Collective Unconscious is a shared "territory" that is invaluable for astrological consultation.
1 cent:
The exact origin of the deepest myths is very debatable and I've recently found some mind-bending "new" information at the Kronia (http://www.kronia.com/) site...

~ Alex

[Elianah]

In establishing responsible inner myths
and working with clients who are not
greco-roman myth carriers (maybe they
are indigenous....for example)....maybe
it's a mutual story-telling regarding myths.

I agree. And even those who would have typically come out of the G-R mythos, I think for some Westerners, whose heritage may have been the G-R mythos, have lost the mythos in a way that heros have been lost over the last few decades.

I think the mutual story-telling is key here, in a respectful and non-discounting manner. It's within the mutual-story telling that we are able to find the deeper commonalities between the stories that appear so different on the surface.

Maybe it's an opening-up to receiving previously
hidden true meanings of the function of the
planets in our solar system, (sparked by a re-membering
of the myths involving Venus or Pluto, Sun, Moon, Uranus....)


And understanding that there are many smaller truths within the larger truths...and there is no one "truth" because each of us carry a different piece of the greater truths of the multiverse, all the dimensions, etc. No one mythos, whether religious, metaphysical, political, cultural, or any other type one might think of, has the "lock" on truth.

(am I making any sense here? :cry: )

Don't cry, you make perfect sense! :D :D

...and now discussing the current client's chart in relation to
her responses, and to
the energies and actions astrologically connected
with the houses and signs....

Hooray! Myths can change and so do we transform!


Exactly!

Elianah

[C1]

mmmmhmmmm
:wink:
so...Elianah...I wonder,
since you are probably
an integrationist, like me,
who has opened her psyche to
plenty of powerful myths and stories
from many cultures and "times" (though
our techniques probably differ...you are probably more
scientific and accurate in your re-membering than I am)...

W h a t * i s * t h i s * A q u a r i a n *A g e *m y t h?

(I'll stop crying, *if* you reply.)

:mrgreen:

C1

[Elianah]

C1

If you want a short, sweet, "billboard" type slogan, I'm not the person to give it to you.

If you don't mind a very long, thoughtful answer, I will try to answer tonight.

And the caveat, as always, is that these are my ideas. Feel free to disagree where you feel the need to disagree and support where you need to support. And release what doesn't work for you.

Elianah

[amzolt]

Since I have Leo rising and since I feel like committing an astrological "sin", I'll blame my repeating of an announcement of the website Kronia (http://www.kronia.com/) on my Ascendant... :wink:
It discloses information on a new paradigm on the connection between Myth and planetary changes in our solar system--Radical changes...
These aren't a bunch of crackpots. We're talking about serious scientists and comparative mythological experts...
O.K., I've sinned and exposed my need to have my interests noticed...
:oops:
Blood rushing to the face actually feels good...
~ Alex

[Lapis]

http://img234.imageshack.us/img234/7788/thumbsup3xb.gif That was great amzolt.

It feels to me like the 'Energy' just got turned up another couple of notches over the past few days, and because of this I can hardly keep up with all the reading I want to do! Time is shrinking aaaaahhhhhh! It's the end of the astrological year and I suppose this is adding to everything else.

About 3 or 4 days ago I too started getting little thoughts dropped down into my head from a higher place. This usually means that its just time for this info to come through to all of us. What I've been getting impulsed to talk about :| is something like "Who are the Gods behind the Gods behind the Gods........?" and how this is connected with the Aquarian Age. When I run across 2 or 3 other people bringing up the same subject or very nearly, I know we're all getting nudged by our higher aspects to pull this information into our consciousness now and ground it in this realm by talking about it all, as best as we can, through our posts. In some ways its like we're discovering the next layer of 'myths' through ourselves as all these energies change. Isn't that very like the beginning of the Aquarian Age? :)

This reminds me of something the P's said awhile ago about this. "The Aquarian Age asks you all to realize that the gods have become the visible; they are here and they are you, 6 billion-plus on planet Earth."

Anyone else have any dreams of 'gods/goddesses' waking up and walking the earth now? Anything similar?

[C1]

8) Elianah,

If you don't mind....

I'mmmmno...mind....
:wink:

....if you don' mind considering this...moment

integrating Sun, Uranus & Eros...in Pisces....

"I've got a feeling...
A feeling
Deep inside....

Oh, yeah...." (The Beatles)

When a school of fish turns direction together as one....
is it initiated by a feeling, a predator, a current, or something un-
conscious (....can we say it's something akin to the power at the
depths of our myths in our human psyche)?

....and that the Pisces New Moon is
THE new year's
new moon? Happy New Year, Elianah!

C1

PS. Seen Kim Falconer's web site?

http://www.nrg.com.au/~d-falcon/Guide.htm#top
This resonates with me, and then....some story lines in
these myths just
fly by like so much detritus in the sea....
I let 'em go.:wink:
>>>>>


<<<<<<<

BTW,

...These aren't a bunch of crackpots. We're talking about serious scientists and comparative mythological experts...

[color=yellow]Your own writing is not exactly chopped liver, y'know?AlexmZoltai, and feels to me like it's coming
from a collective unconscious heart place, unlike the site you linked :|

...just my vho

[amzolt]

Your own writing is not exactly chopped liver, y'know?AlexmZoltai, and feels to me like it's coming
from a collective unconscious heart place, unlike the site you linked :|
...just my vho
My own writing?
Oh, my...
What to think . . .
...
...
...

[C1]

:lol:

...did we myth thomething?

C1

[amzolt]

...did we myth thomething?
C1
Thome folkth would thay we only myth thomething if we fail in underthtanding...
I feel we myth thingth when we don't even thtrive for them...
:|

[Elianah]

Myth goes mything as Mercury stations today and goes retro tomorrow in Pisces?

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

And now a word from our sponsors: THE BEATLES Let It Be Album.

Words are flowing out like endless rain into a paper cup,
They slither wildly as they slip away across the universe
Pools of sorrow, waves of joy are drifting through my open mind,
Possessing and caressing me.

Okay, here is my take on the forming Age of Aquarius myth. I do not ask anyone to agree or disagree with it. If you find something that resonates with you, please take it with you and ditch the rest. If nothing resonates, that's fine—we have similar interests with different takes and all sides can be explored respectfully through thoughtful, honoring discourse.

First off, the mythos really has not been created for the Aquarian Age yet because we are still in the twilight of the Age of Pisces and Age of Aquarius. This period is neither fish nor waterbearer and yet is both and beyond both.

Look at the two glyphs for the signs for a moment: fish and waves. Pools of feeling and waves of activity, to paraphrase John Lennon above. 99% of all fish must live in the water (compared to their elemental cousins, the scorpions and the crabs). The element of water speaks to matters of the conscious: unconsciousness (Cancer), twilight consciousness (Scorpio, which produces our day-to-day consciousness) and full consciousness (Pisces).

Since the greater majority of the world's inhabitants have not reached full consciousness, Pisces also contains the collective unconscious (the other consciousnesses are as follows: Aquarius, personal unconscious; Capricorn, collective conscious; Sagittarius, the personal conscious). It is where the hominid species has created, stored, refined, hidden, etc., all its emotional responses to the world. These have, in turn, become the basis of the world's mythology systems and the resevoir we draw from to create art. When full consciousness is obtained by homo sapiens, the four subgroups of consciousness will be unite in Pisces.

It is important to remember that Pisces has co-rulers: Neptune and Jupiter and that Jupiter had greater conscious influence over Pisces during the Piscean Age than Neptune did. This has brought things like dogmatism in religious, spiritual and political thought—the school of "If you do not believe like me, you are wrong." Its axiom is: and if you do not believe exactly as I do, then you are a heretic and lunatic and will be cast into Scorpionic hell for your beliefs.

Jupiter also acts like a bridge between two signs that square each other: Sagittarius and Pisces. This has allowed the personal conscious to work with the collective unconscious and understand how collective myths form, how they impact the collective and individual, and how they can be consciously changed at the personal level.

I will pick up on this when I return from work. Feel free to comment in a respectful and honoring manner.

Elianah

[amzolt]

Some more fodder for discussion:
Dane Rudhyar claimed that the symbols {from which Myths emanate} for the new Age would be the "Globe" and "Heat"...

~ Alex

[Kite]

When full consciousness is obtained by homo sapiens, the four subgroups of consciousness will be unite in Pisces.


Elianah, might this be the basis for the Aquarian myths? That of consciousness waking up and becoming one and poured out by the newly annointed human? Might this article about the Mayan 5th world contain elements of what you are saying with evolving consciousness?
http://www.kachina.net/~alunajoy/2006march.html

[C1]

:P
The gravitational pull is getting stronger....

what a thread...

connecting the threads,

Thanks!
C1 :lol:

[amzolt]

:P
The gravitational pull is getting stronger....
C1
Not to beat a dead horse (or lion) but that site I recommended, Kronia (http://www.kronia.com/), shows that gravity is not the be-all-and-end-all-of our solar system; Plasma apparently Rules...

~ Alex

[C1]

:o I am not dithmything what
you say, but could it be that
Plasma drools,
Gravity rules!?
C1

[Frisiangal]

.
It is said that as the heavens heave & groan into a new age the old gods die & new gods are born. We do not know who the new gods will be or how the old gods will 'die'. But it seems likely the new gods could have some connection to us being responsible for our own inner landscape


I've been pondering on this thought for several days.
I strongly feel myself becoming an astrological dinosaur, as I am from the generation that, apart from Neptune begin Libra, has the outer planets still in the personal signs. From late 1972 everyone born has the outer planets in the social signs.
The astrologers around my time were brought up with the 'new gods' of the outer planets. Older astrology books prior to the 1960's had difficulty providing an interpretation for them. We have been able to incorporate them in our various styles and the psychological approach to astrology seemed to take off. The inward exploration could begin.
In the short week I have been reading the posts on the various forums here, I have noticed the definite swing towards what one can almost call esoteric astrology...'the ínner landscape' you mentioned, Natasha. I wonder if this is an effect of my 'new gods' now becoming 'old gods' to the younger generations now posting here. Your 'new gods' are already presenting themselves, as per Quaoar, Sedna, and UB1103, is it? My mind has difficulty encompassing how these new planets will correlate to how our psyches work, as well as events on Earth, because their orbits around the Sun take eons to complete. How can they find their places in a history we can relate to? Yet I'm sure that the 21st century astrologers will find the appropriate answers and I wonder if the time will eventually dawn when my 'old gods', the traditional 7, will 'die' and become irrelevant to Aquarian Age astrology.

F.

[amzolt]

:o I am not dithmything what
you say, but could it be that
Plasma drools,
Gravity rules!?
C1
Thith could be...

[amzolt]

My mind has difficulty encompassing how these new planets will correlate to how our psyches work
F.
Check out my book beginning HERE (http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1006)...

~ Alex

[Elianah]

Sorry I went mything in action but I just couldn't bring mythelf of having my employer do the mythdeed of mythappropriating money from my paycheck under the mythconception that I was not at work. I could not figure out a way to mythtake Saturday for Wednesday.

It looks like there has been a great discussion going on, however!

BTW...light speed is not all the limit that science cracks it up to be and quantum weirdness rules the plasma that generates the gravity...

But that's a way different discussion. :wink:

Amzolt, I think that it's too bad that we can't encapsulate the whole multiverse and all dimensions into a glyph for Pisces because I think that is the direction that the Ages may be taking us into as we switch into Aquarius. However, the globe may have to do for the moment. As for Rudhyar's thought of the symbology for the new Age would be globe and heat...mmm...global warming is not the way I want to go but it is shaping up that is the direction this small blue planet is heading. The trick for humans to determine is how much of it is a natural cycle and how much of it is due to human interactions with the environment.

By the way, beating lions on this thread is not permitted by Leonine decree, backed up by Sagittarian horseplay. :wink: Thus speaks the Leo-Sag-Sag who created this thread. :D :D

Eeek! I seem to have mythplaced a "d" in the quote Kite used. That should have been "be united in Pisces."

Ahh...good point, Kite! It could be the basis of some of the Aquarian mythology. Although I think I would go with a full conscious embodiment of Adam Kadmon rather than anointment of a "new" human. Adam Kadmon was both female and male and yet beyond, perhaps not the "proto" human that the Kabbalists portray but the ultimate human, one where the consciousnesses are one—think of pulling glyph of Pisces together where both half cresents are connected without the center line. )( sharing a common center: soul and instinct, conscious and unconscious, duality released into unity.

I have not read the Mayan article as of yet. I want to put forth my ideas first so they aren't running circles in my head. Perhaps later this weekend...

Frisiangal, do not be afraid for human mythos usually incorporates (or even co-opts, think of the Christmas tree) the old, sometimes in most startling ways. Remember, at the core any mythology is the idea of "what does it mean to be human at this time?" Another thread in this topic looks at creating a portable astrology for when humans move out beyond Earth, the sky will shift based on the planet (or moon) a human community finds itself. Yes, the relationship to Jupiter would be much different for a human colony on Europa than Earth, but the underlying resonances will still persist. The understandings will grow leaps and bounds and will expand (think the co-rulership of Pisces) and mutate (Pluto conjunct the Galactic Center) to allow consciousness to reach where human physicality cannot.

One thing I think will be important as the twilight period ends will be for all to be open, respectful to and celebratory for each other no matter where in the development of full consciousness the person is. If we learn to support and appreciate what each of us has to contribute to the full consciousness of Adam Kadmon, we will come that much closer to our own obtaining of full consciousness.

Elianah

[Kite]

Ahh...good point, Kite! It could be the basis of some of the Aquarian mythology. Although I think I would go with a full conscious embodiment of Adam Kadmon rather than anointment of a "new" human. Adam Kadmon was both female and male and yet beyond, perhaps not the "proto" human that the Kabbalists portray but the ultimate human, one where the consciousnesses are one—think of pulling glyph of Pisces together where both half cresents are connected without the center line. )( sharing a common center: soul and instinct, conscious and unconscious, duality released into unity.


Yep - I buy that. In fact I think our Aquarian man IS Adam Kadmon. When I say New I should say Returned as there was a fall and there will be a Tikkun. I know Adam Kadmon is the protypical divine human and I think he's been there for us all along but we created the seeming separation as shown in the Pisces glyph.

I'm with you Elianah.

Whoops..I should have known better than to use Hebrew with you. Tikkun is restoration and Teshuvah is return..right? Oy vey is mere.

Kite

[C1]

:) Frisiangal said,

The astrologers around my time were brought up with the 'new gods'

of the outer planets. Older astrology books prior to the 1960's
had difficulty providing an interpretation for them. We have been able to incorporate them in our various styles
and the psychological approach to astrology seemed to take off.

The inward exploration could begin.

In the short week I have been reading the posts on the various forums here, I have noticed the definite swing towards what one can almost call esoteric astrology...'the ínner landscape' you mentioned, Natasha. I wonder if this is an effect of my 'new gods' now becoming 'old gods' to the younger generations now posting here.

I like your observation! (And I commytherate with you 8))

I love the moment we're in. We are multi-dimensional and
multi-generational, a multi-plane and multi-planetoid-consciousness

and the asteroids and centaurs and young astrologers are free-ing
us from the burden of our ego-mythery.

This moment of myth-making (...so to speak...if I may be so bold)

...is touched by the time we're in,

by the mutual resonance of Neptune in Aquarius
and iconoclastic, de-mythologizer Uranus...in Pisces.

But I am by no means an expert...

nor an experienced astrologer...

Henny Ruckert's article (the one I posted on the forum...another thread)

talks some of the opportunity that is presented to us older generation
to confront the shadow.

I will be watching for a point of entry for some of her thoughts
here...in this thread....

Myth-anks to LeoSagSag, Radu, all of us on the Forum (and elsewhere in space...)
:wink:
C1

[C1]

:P A N D
i forgot to mention...

Alex quoted

Frisiangal , who wrote:

My mind has difficulty encompassing how these new planets will correlate to how our psyches work.

F.

and Alex said,


Check out my book beginning HERE...

~ Alex



...I agree! Thanks for posting a link
in this thread, Alex. What a jumping-off
place for us in this threAD...

IN THIS MOMENT

C1

[amzolt]

As for Rudhyar's thought of the symbology for the new Age would be globe and heat...mmm...global warming is not the way I want to go...
Elianah
Aw, come on, you can combine Globe and Heat into something other than that, no?

[Elianah]

Well, I could turn the globe and heat into particle waves so that there are many globes energized with many forms of higher level energy. If one observes them one way, they would be separate globes and observing them another way gives pure energy. Matter and energy as one...

Hey! Would this qualify for creating the supersymmetry of the Grand Unified Theory? String theorists unite!

Elianah

[amzolt]

Hey! Would this qualify for creating the supersymmetry of the Grand Unified Theory? String theorists unite!
Elianah
You did mention a lot of Sag in your chart, right?

[Elianah]

Sag rising, Sag Moon conjunct Saturn retro, and two-to-three (depending on the house system) planets in the 9th house.

Pourquoi?

Elianah

[amzolt]

Sag rising, Sag Moon conjunct Saturn retro, and two-to-three (depending on the house system) planets in the 9th house.
Pourquoi?
Elianah
Sag... a lot...
I shot an arrow into the air and I didn't care where it landed; I love to shoot!
Sag: the view from the "top" "down"...
Sag=what holds Scorpio and Capricorn together...

[C1]

:lol: Um,
Thanks for this thread....my previous post was
crushed up against the edge by some myth-
teriouth forth....what I wrote was:

A N D
i forgot to mention...


Alex quoted

Frisiangal , who wrote:


My mind has difficulty encompassing how these new planets will correlate to how our psyches work.

F.

and Alex said,



Check out my book beginning HERE...

~ Alex

And I said:
...I agree! Thanks for posting a link
in this thread, Alex. What a jumping-off
place for us.....

I feel, like Elianah, that the myth has not been written,

that so much of Pluto cj GC is transforming us as we speak,

and that insights about the truth of this human experience

abound, both here on the forum and in symbolic ironies

in the moment (as in dreams).....I don't know

:x .... it's hard to articulate.

Here's an example: how interesting to me
that an asteroid named Veritas,
was smashed a long time ago, and flew through space
in the form of asteroid-dust that sank to the bottom of our sea!

....see link: http://www.swri.org/9what/releases/2006/Asteroid.htm

A dose of truth-dust...
Hot Gravity! :P

Like Elianah, I'm an undying optimist (Sag characteristic),
and I'm feeling absolutely bouyed up by the thoughtful
story-telling healing contributed by Frisi,
Kite and
others here on the Forum.

Thanks!

I'm tending to let go of a homo-centric (human-shaped)
image of the coming myth...
C1

[Elianah]

Since the thread seems to want to go in its own direction, if anyone wants any more discussion on mythological thinking, just p.m. me.

I hope the following will be included in the Age of Aquarius mythology as it develops:

• The chasm between intellect and spirituality will close and the anti-intellect/spirituality quarters will die out. It is possible for both to exist in harmony with each other.

• There will be room for the uniqueness of each individual within the community and that uniqueness will be drawn upon to improve the community.

• That individuality and communitarianism can exist in harmony and work together with each other.

• That humans can learn to respectfully disagree with one another without jumping to the conclusion that the disagreer "hates" the other.

• That humans can learn to face their fears and release to be transmuted by the multiverse rather than turning them into the negative emotions which serve no one.

• That humans can see that each person, no matter what the community's perceptions of the person's limitations are, incarnated at that particular time to share something of great value to the web of humanity.

• One cause may engender many effects and one effect many causes and that one really cannot discern what is truly a cause and truly an effect.

• That directional thinking is only used in physical travels.

• That a soul chose to incarnate into physicality at a particular time and that physicality is not evil.

• That a soul can draw from all its past and future physicalities at once and provide the current incarnation ways to heal and genius, no matter what physical age the current incarnation is at.

• That patriarchy nor matriarchy is the answer. It is going beyond that duality (and other dualities) to find true humanness for the power structures humanity creates.

• Not to fear change because it is truly the only constant.

• It is through the quantum that the multiverse and dimensions arise.


Elianah

[Kite]

If I could sum that up in one word Elinah it would be reconciliation. I like it. Somehow I think the peace process in the Middle East will turn into this reconciliation globally and will fuel the myth tied to this.

BTW - glad to see you posting more frequently..always enjoy seeing your point of view.

Kite

[Elianah]

Kite,

Thank you. I get a lot from you and the others on the site. I have learned a lot from each of you.

Elianah