Adolf Hitler?

[sallyd]

I'm not too happy about this chappie having Taurus sun and Libra rising - same as me....

What in his chart made him a 'much worse person than me' please?

:confused:

[Sag Moon]

I'm not too happy about this chappie having Taurus sun and Libra rising - same as me....

What in his chart made him a 'much worse person than me' please?

:confused:

Hitler was a special case and I doubt that having his Sun and Rising sign is going to plague you as his chart was very particular.

What is your chart like?

Do you have Moon/Jupiter conjunct in Capricorn opposing Chiron?

I think the most disturblng aspect in his chart was Mars/Venus conjunction square saturn which made for one with ambition beyond the norm.He was driven to become.That is ok to have ambition,but it's what you do with it and we all know what he did with it.

Then there is the 0Degree Taurus sun and the militant aspect of his Aries Mercury which was conjunct that Sun.He was bent on being something.It's sad he just did not get through art school and drew up postcards for the rest of his life.

Hitler was a special case and Taurus/Libra are quite compatible.It's what you do with the placements that counts.

Has nothing to do with the Hitler.Don't worry about it as there are plenty of Tau\Lib combo's that have great personalities.We only see a few Hitlers in a century like Pol Pots.

I will say one thing which is Hitler is one of my favorite charts as for a life account to study.His whole life is recorded almost down to the minute for most everything he did which make s for a great case study.

In my opinion Hitler was an evil genius.His quintile formation makes for a brilliant mind gone awry.He was fixated on hate due to his Mercury and Ve/Ma combination.

Another trait was the Uranus in the chart.The location it s found makes for brilliance ,but it is also at a place that is known for being the worst in the chart.

Hitler was not known for being stable.

And do you have 0Degrees Taurus for a Sun degree?If so I would caution against being to possesed about anything. I have heard those having this degree for the Sun seem to become obsessed with relationships or even a song.It seems the transition from Aries to Taurus can be difficult for some.

Mn/Ju opposite to Chiron also was a difficult combo for old Hit.He felt himself to be the victim of everything down to his death.He did not take responsibilty for anything.He blamed it on the Jews.If it had not been the Jews it would have been the German people which is what he did.

Like I said there are to many other factors that made Ol Hit wha he was.It was nothing to do with the Sun\Riding sign.In fact it gave a cerain charisma that he used for demonic purposes.

[Arian Maverick]

Here's a link to Hitler's chart from Astrotheme for reference: Adolphe HITLER (http://www.astrotheme.fr/en/portraits/77F8T58PnLaJ.htm)

I don't have this Ascendant/Sun combination, but I think it's normal to feel disturbed to have any placements in common with such a tyrannical dictator; I felt this way when I discovered that I share Saturn and Pluto house placements with Hitler as well as a Sun-Mercury conjunction.

Yet if you dissected each part of his chart, I'm sure you could find millions of people who share several sign placements or house placements in common because there are only so many combinations.

As Sag Moon explained, though, it takes much more than one or two individual placements to make such an individual--and "make" probably isn't even the right word to use because as the saying goes, "the stars incline; they do not impel."

If you are familiar with the Harry Potter series, you may remember the similarities between Harry and Voldemort, and how Dumbledore stated that it is our choices that matter, that make us who we are. If Dumbledore was familiar with astrology, I'm sure he would agree that our natal charts do not make us do or become anything that we do not wish to do or become.

Goodness, I'm such a dork! :o :p

Arian Maverick

[sallyd]

strangely enough, i do have moon/jupiter conjunct, but they are in aries..... opposite me ascendant....


http://www.astro.com/tmpd/ceovfileCcdYyP-u1118308657/astro_w2gw_04_me_hp.66969.24600.gif

any ideas as to whether i am up for attempted world domination? (don't feel like it today to be honest....)

:rolleyes:

[Sag Moon]

Well all genius have have eccentric behavior like hanging their laundy indoors.

His wsa perverse sex and wanting to find a scapegoat which he could blame everything on so he could kill them.

If he had rebuilt Germany and produced arms for other countries he would have went down as a great leader.As it was he had more devious plans which wer evil.

I do not think the same can b said of Stalin.

Interesting lives!

[Kaiousei no Senshi]

Traditional interpretation of Hitler's chart a la John Frawley and the rules handed down via Ptolemy.

In Hitler's chart there is no strong planet...Jupiter is in its fall, Luna and Mars in their detriment, Mercury and Sol are peregrine. This is a strong indication of degeneracy of the nature. Even Venus, which has strength by virtue of falling in her own Sign, Taurus, is grievously handicapped by being retrograde and by its immediate contact with the two malefics, Mars and Saturn. This contact is all the more serious because both the malefics are weak, and the weaker the malefics are, the worse their effects. Occuring in fixed Signs, this gives an unshakeable malaise. With most of the planets above the horizon and in angular houses, this will find its outlet in the world: were the planets hidden below the horizon, Hitler would have spent his life thinking dreadful thoughts rather than acting them out...but with all these planets severly afflicted, the outcome is not so favorable. Ptolemy suggests that in these cases, it "makes his subjects robbers, pirates, adultereres, submissive to disgraceful treatement (we might recall Hitler's sexcual predilections), takers of base profits, godless, without affection, insulting, crafty, thieves, perjerers, murderers, poisoners, impious, robbers of temples and of tombs, and utterly depraved." All this would manifest through the degerately choleric temperament. The fixed-star lore of Ptolemaic tradition then fills the portrait out. Sol, Luna, and the Midheaven of Hitler's chart were all conjoined to malevolent fixed stars. These, by turns, were associated with "piled-up corpses", "destruction by fire or war", "unscrupulous defeat", and a "violent death".

No modern moonspeak necessary.

[tikana]

I'm not too happy about this chappie having Taurus sun and Libra rising - same as me....

What in his chart made him a 'much worse person than me' please?

:confused:


lol! do you know how many peopel on earth with that combination? lol

you dont have people mailing you letters with "i wanna have your baby", or do you?


and almost everyone wants to rule the world except me .. i just want to move to my own planet and rule the planet say hmmm Pluto!


T

[Nexus7]

Oh I don't know, it is interesting to see a more traditional judgement of Hitler's chart that I have not come up with before, but I reckon his chart could be mined for still more modern moonspeak.

He had those classic horrendous afflictions of Saturn on the Midheaven squaring his 7th House planets and we hear that his father used to beat him black and blue and leave him out in the cold at night whilst his mother indulged him which apparently, can set a very dangerous (as in psychopathic) precedent later in life, if any capactiy for violence is shown in the chart (which, here it was).

Something that I suspect my make some astrologers uncomfortable is that it can be forgotten that Hitler was strongly Uranian - he had Uranus on his Ascendant, although I noticve now that Liz Greene didn't, when she wrote about this Promethean planet. Here is that spark of genius along with the desire to create a better, more ideal and just world - Uranus in Libra. His Uranus in the 12th, so he probably had the ability to pick up with what was in the air anyway - and what was in the air at the time was a great deal of talk about eugenics and perfecting human beings. His interest in occultism drew him towards a secret society inspired by Theosophists called the Thules, for example.

I believe there are some pretty dodgy midpoints involving Saturn and Pluto to delicate and pivotal Sun/Moon midpoint, though I would have to look at my Charles Harvey/Mike Harding book to check tat out precisley. (that combo is shared with Moa Tse Tung). So if there are any budding dictators here, you might like to check out what aspects are hitting your Sun/Moon midpoint. And maybe Asc/MC too. And it does not matter what signs either Sun or Mon fall in or for that mater, Sun/Moon midpoint - it is just the midpoints themselves that count.

Hitler also had a some very powerful harmonics in his 4th, 5th and 7th harmonics - if anyone is interested in seeing any of these, pls let me know and I will see what I can do.

SaggMoon, have you read Mike Harding's Hymmns to the Ancient Gods? That also covers pivotal moments in Hitler's life, Harding does a brilliant study there key events in his 'career' and how similar key transits to various midpoints are repeated beofre with his mother'd death, something happening to his father, and so on.

[Moulin]

Hitler has always fascinated me. He was perhaps the most mesmorizing speaker, exceptionally intelligent with a creative flair.

I know that had I been in Germany in 30's I would have eaten up every word of his. He was one of those souls whom was either destined for greatness or extreme evilness. Amazing how he flipped from one to the other and it is also interesting to view objectively the karma/fate of the Jewish people at that time and since.

Today roles are semi reversed and the Israeli's now do a scaled down version of what was done to them, to the Palestinian's.
Incredible to observe how people feel victimized sometimes and use this to fund/fuel/shape their futures and yet the negativity of holding onto all that karma rubs off in a homeopathic dose!

When the world learns from it's mistakes, only then can we truly evolve as a planet. I think Hitler's evil ways spread much further than just Germany and although l despise his evil deeds with all of my heart and soul l can't help but feel that he was destined for this role somehow. Is there any way, in his chart that he could have been anything else? other than the evil lord, that is.

The whole thing is just so sad and really so vile... makes my skin crawl.

[Nexus7]

In fact, Hitler's chart does lay out the harsh/abusive father indulgent mother quite well. Moon-Jupiter withou or without oppositions to Chiron might have been a litle theatrical, sentimental and animal loving, but then it would have to be seen in connection with the cruelty implied by Venus/Mars squares to the Saturn on the mIdheaven.

[templeton]

I'm not such a huge fan of the 6:30 pm recorded birth time. My spidey sense tells me it was probably closer to 7pm.
If you adjusted his birth time to half an hour later, it wouldn't drastically alter his planetary placements. But it would push Saturn closer to his MC and make him an early Scorpio ascendant.:bandit:

Here are a couple of excerpts from Hitler: The Pathology of Evil by George Victor

"People found his blue, penetrating eyes his most expressive and arresting feature. They stood out because of the shape of his head and because he stared much of the time, out of curiosity, excitement, and aggressiveness."

"On being asked how he would greet the Soviet Ambassador, he said, "It's very simple. I look him straight in the eyes until he loses his composure." He boasted that he could stare down anyone. Besides dominating people, his stare may have served to keep them from staring at him and adding to his embarrassment."

http://www.valdezlink.com/pages/media/hitlerearly.jpg

What do you think. Libra or Scorpio rising?

[templeton]

http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/5083/7oclock.gif (http://img232.imageshack.us/i/7oclock.gif/)

[Awakened_Pisces]

The North Node-South Node Axis is quite telling. Needless to say, I don't think he at all led his proper destiny(Cancer). He led a very Capricorn-ish life. Head strong.

[athan]

http://www.valdezlink.com/pages/media/hitlerearly.jpg

What do you think. Libra or Scorpio rising?

I don't know why but I have always taken him for a Scorpio ascedant guy...and now just looking at the picture...I don't find him as a handsome Libra..more like a decisive nose and jaw Scorpio...His complexion reminds me of a Scorpio cousin of mine....

[GreenMist]

I was told once by an astrologier that I had similar mercury and thinking process to Hitler.

This kind of amuses me :whistling:

[Nexus7]

Actually I am sure he had Libra rising. In pictures of him as a middle-aged man his eyebrows seem a lile raised, which spells Libra to me. He also had Uranus on the Ascendant and as Liz Greene lugubriously pointed out, his desire to perfect the world was certainly Uranian enough. Uranus can tend to split and polarise too - and wih the unresolved Saturn squares on his MC, it is not so hard to see why his social idealsim had to involve he extrems of scapegoating it did.

He had some pretty heavy-duty midpoints from Saturn, Pluto and Urnaus to his Sun too, though f anyone remembers with more accuracy what was going on there, I would be pleased to hear it.

[unusual_suspect]

Actually I am sure he had Libra rising. In pictures of him as a middle-aged man his eyebrows seem a lile raised, which spells Libra to me. He also had Uranus on the Ascendant and as Liz Greene lugubriously pointed out, his desire to perfect the world was certainly Uranian enough. Uranus can tend to split and polarise too - and wih the unresolved Saturn squares on his MC, it is not so hard to see why his social idealsim had to involve he extrems of scapegoating it did.

He had some pretty heavy-duty midpoints from Saturn, Pluto and Urnaus to his Sun too, though f anyone remembers with more accuracy what was going on there, I would be pleased to hear it.

He was actually in to some serious occult mumbo jumbo and was taking a lot of peyote too. This all seems very Uranian if you ask me. He also took methamphetamine daily, his doctor injected him with it!

[RockFish]

I was told once by an astrologier that I had similar mercury and thinking process to Hitler.

This kind of amuses me :whistling:

Fret not. Hitler was born just four days after Charles Chaplin, same year.

You must have similar Mercury and thinking process to the genius Chaplin as well............ :biggrin:

[unusual_suspect]

Do you think that his Pluto and Neptune conjunction in the 8th house could point to his involvement in unsavoury occult practises, also Neptune makes a hard aspect to his north node and there is also a hard aspect to Uranus in the 12th from the North Node.

I have read some fascinating books about his involvement with the Thule Society and Vril Society which are essentially occult orders. My point being that he believed that what he was doing had some higher spiritual purpose.

[R4VEN]

Actually I am sure he had Libra rising. In pictures of him as a middle-aged man his eyebrows seem a lile raised, which spells Libra to me.
I have to agree with you there. I have known many a Libra rising person with `piercing blue eyes', something they seem to know how to use as a tool of `persuasion'!!

Hitler's use of language, his ability to drum up energy and emotion in his speeches is particularly Libra Asc. Not all Libra Asc people are `really nice guys'.

Just a couple of other observations from Hitler's chart (using the one on astrotheme):


Chiron is in Cancer (Deutchland, Deutchland, uber alles... sorry if spelling is incorrect!!) and in the 9th, so this can describe his belief system re how he perceived the future of Germany/homeland.
Chiron opposes Moon conj Jupiter in Cap in 3rd house. This gave him incredible perception about how and when to act, but Chiron in opposition to the Moon can also describe someone who has experienced significant boundary invasion (as in abuse) in their early lives, and so his own sense of his boundaries - both personal and macro - were quite skewed. He seemed to have seen himself as Germany.
In searching for a Mars connection which could also further account for his masculinity/father issues, I found that the Chiron/Mars MP is conjunct his natal Pluto in the 8th - surely that is a dangerous placement for a man so severely abused by his father.

[Nexus7]

I have read some fascinating books about his involvement with the Thule Society and Vril Society which are essentially occult orders. My point being that he believed that what he was doing had some higher spiritual purpose.

Yes, that rings a bell. As in Big Ben, actually. I have a book by a Monica Sjöö, who writes about that. But there are others, I am sure, that explore the Nazis' interest in occult movements.

[gimzo23]

I saw parts of a documentary on all the failed attempts on his life on TV recently. The guy apparently survived 42 planned plots on him! Really makes you wonder. But would be interesting to see if something in his chart hints for such an extreme case of luck. I guess his chart must be one of the most analyzed charts there is, so this probably has been looked at and analyzed deeply already. Someone put up a link once with charts of survivors and non-survivors of school gun attacks. If I remember correctly, among other things, (certain) angular planets and positions and certain fixed stars were often present or non-present and apparently deciding over surviving or not. I'm not sure about the sample size though.

[Nexus7]

Hitler and his luck?

Well, Moon conjunct Jupiter must have helped....

[gimzo23]

Yeah I saw that one, but thought there must have been something else adding to such an extreme case of luck in staying alive? Maybe there's some fixed stars or certain planetary degrees or something, I don't know.

[tikana]

I'm not too happy about this chappie having Taurus sun and Libra rising - same as me....

What in his chart made him a 'much worse person than me' please?

:confused:

huh? he had mars/venus in taurus in 7th .. quite detrimental ..

[CJN]

Here's an interesting article about his chart:

http://chirotic.wordpress.com/2008/07/10/hitler-and-the-golden-yod/

Just take a look at his Eris, and how it forms aspects with the rest of the chart.

[loverofthestars]

I always took him for a Scorpio Rising. He was manipulative, cruel, harsh, and exhibited the worse traits of that sign. Also, his features are sharper and angrier than a Libra Rising's would be. Compare Libra Ascendants like Halle Berry, Jennifer Lopez, and Elizabeth Taylor's soft features with his. It doesn't add up to being a Libra Rising to me.

[tikana]

I always took him for a Scorpio Rising. He was manipulative, cruel, harsh, and exhibited the worse traits of that sign. Also, his features are sharper and angrier than a Libra Rising's would be. Compare Libra Ascendants like Halle Berry, Jennifer Lopez, and Elizabeth Taylor's soft features with his. It doesn't add up to being a Libra Rising to me.


he is def Libra rising.. because hitler is every astrologers's favorite demon to analyze. Now we look back and say what were people thinking.. you forget that Adol fast the sexiest man in the eyes of Germans and Austrians at a time.. women were writing letters to him asking him if he would send them his sperm.. 2 women i think committed suicides./. one of them was related to hitler and she was also his gf/.. he had charisma... and he was artistic.. he used to paint.

uranus in 12th house is a major give away for his mental instability plus it is conjuncting his asce. pluto sitting in 8th house nad neptune there... another give out that the guy had problems.

he was very close to his mother yet hated his father... 10th/4th houses give out description for him.

if there was discrpensy in his chart, astrologers would have picked it out.


T

[freedomlover]

he is def Libra rising.. because hitler is every astrologers's favorite demon to analyze.

I've no doubt that Libra rising can be indicative of this type of personality. I know one young man with Libra rising - beautiful face - could be a male model - but treats others like he's absolute evil incarnate - deliberately. He reminded me of a cold, unfeeling Nazi concentration camp guard or something.

(That's not to say ALL Libra risings are like this, so Libra risings reading this, please do not be offended. I also know a young Libra rising male who fits the typical Libran qualities of people-pleasing, social conscious, etc.)

[tikana]

I've no doubt that Libra rising can be indicative of this type of personality. I know one young man with Libra rising - beautiful face - could be a male model - but treats others like he's absolute evil incarnate - deliberately. He reminded me of a cold, unfeeling Nazi concentration camp guard or something.

(That's not to say ALL Libra risings are like this, so Libra risings reading this, please do not be offended. I also know a young Libra rising male who fits the typical Libran qualities of people-pleasing, social conscious, etc.)


you missed my point but whatever... i never said nor intented to say that all libra risings are bad people.. hitler had massive problems that go back to the day when he was born. and YES his demonic personality is in his chart at 23 libra... not every libra will have uranus conj asce from 12th house.. not everyone will have sun squaring mc/ic...

[freedomlover]

you missed my point but whatever... i never said nor intented to say that all libra risings are bad people.. hitler had massive problems that go back to the day when he was born. and YES his demonic personality is in his chart at 23 libra... not every libra will have uranus conj asce from 12th house.. not everyone will have sun squaring mc/ic...


No, Tik... I got your point. You missed mine. :unsure:

I didn't read the whole thread, but what I did read was that last post, which I responded to. It was I, not you, who was wanting to not be seen as implying that all Libra risings had that tendency. I don't know, when I read what you said about Hitler, it just struck a nerve and reminded me of that guy I described - so I thought I'd comment.

Good points about the aspects to Hitler's Ac. Thanks for clarifying.

[tikana]

No, Tik... I got your point. You missed mine. :unsure:

I didn't read the whole thread, but what I did read was that last post, which I responded to. It was I, not you, who was wanting to not be seen as implying that all Libra risings had that tendency. I don't know, when I read what you said about Hitler, it just struck a nerve and reminded me of that guy I described - so I thought I'd comment.

Good points about the aspects to Hitler's Ac. Thanks for clarifying.


Well .. actually you didnt . but i am wont pounce on it.. he is No way in shape of form Scorpio rising .. that was my argument to loverofthestars's assumption that he was scorpio rising..

you cant deny that hitler had charisma plus he did what previous german ruler failed to do which was inspire germans to rise after ww1 and Hitler was a product of Versaille treaty. he was a great speaker... merc ruler of 9th conjuncting his 7th house cusp in aries... that tells you alone that people would listen to him. German people after ww1 could not tolarate what germany had become.. there was no other time other than after ww1 when german elite daughters were selling themselves on the street for pennies to put food on the table, even Hitler himself was a male prostitute after ww1. The ruler of germany at that time did not do anything to put the end to sanctions and etc. Not only that germans lost the war but their dignity was burned to the ashes. When it comes to Germany, pride was everything.

[CJN]

I always took him for a Scorpio Rising. He was manipulative, cruel, harsh, and exhibited the worse traits of that sign. Also, his features are sharper and angrier than a Libra Rising's would be. Compare Libra Ascendants like Halle Berry, Jennifer Lopez, and Elizabeth Taylor's soft features with his. It doesn't add up to being a Libra Rising to me.

You can't compare his features to female Libras! They have soft features because they're women. Compare with H.P. Lovecraft, another male Libra rising instead.

[loverofthestars]

You can't compare his features to female Libras! They have soft features because they're women. Compare with H.P. Lovecraft, another male Libra rising instead.

The reason I brought women up was because that Libras have soft features in general, regardless of their gender. Scorpio Rising females have a harder look to them just like their male counterparts. Well, then let's take male Libra risings. Ewan McGreggor, Leonardo Dicaprio, Quincy Jones, Red Foxx, and Bon Jovi all have Libra Risings, and their features are very soft. Hitler's still remain very rough and sharp.

[tikana]

????

hitler did not have typical german facial nor body features.
you guys view him as everything but Libra rising because of his deeds.

he was sick healthwise from early age... mainly digestive system... plus he had syphilis, a form of autism, then parkinsons, then numerous dental problems, was unhealthy vegetarrian.. all this contirbuted not only to his physical but mental health.

take a look

http://images.quickblogcast.com/23662-22547/pope_hj.jpg

he has very prominent taurian eyes.

there are a few things that scare people about his looks

1. his history of actions
2. mustache... what peopel dont understand is .. hitler's mustache was popular back in 1930s.
3. hitler's body language in every picture there is on itnernet
4. nazi germany's military outfits he was always photographed in which ws designed by no other but Hugo Boss. All nazi/fascists/SS/gestapo's clothes were designed to bring in fear into people who were against nazi germany and dominance ambiency to german people

[aquarius7000]

you guys view him as everything but Libra rising because of his deeds.
Yeah, me too thinks that might be the case, or maybe our expectations of a Libra rising are too high.. and he didn't measure upto them..:lol:.

I've gotta run to work, but can someone pull his chart @ astro.com and put it up here, please?

Have a great day,
:)AQ7

[tikana]

here is his natal chart

http://www.astrologyweekly.com/natal-charts/astrology/adolf-hitler.php.gif

[Nexus7]

he was sick healthwise from early age... mainly digestive system... plus he had syphilis, a form of autism, then parkinsons, then numerous dental problems, was unhealthy vegetarrian.. all this contirbuted not only to his physical but mental health.



Where do you get this information from, as a matter of interest?

He was a pretty boy, wasn't he.

I think most people have a problem with his having Libra rising, because of certain misconceptions around the sign of Libra. As the opposite of traditionally-war-like Aries, I think Libra is always potentially, by far infinitely more ruthless and calculating than Aries, however much one manifestation of the sign might be to want to please in social settings. This has come up before, but it might be remembered that kmnay brilliant generals have Libra strongly featured in their charts. Iron fist in velvet glove - look at Thatcher, Libra Sun. And ex-president Bush had a Libra Moon. Will tey go down in history as peace-loving? - hardly.

[RockFish]

Indeed, a politician must have the ability to please a large number of people, otherwise they go nowhere.

[tikana]

Where do you get this information from, as a matter of interest?

He was a pretty boy, wasn't he.

I think most people have a problem with his having Libra rising, because of certain misconceptions around the sign of Libra. As the opposite of traditionally-war-like Aries, I think Libra is always potentially, by far infinitely more ruthless and calculating than Aries, however much one manifestation of the sign might be to want to please in social settings. This has come up before, but it might be remembered that kmnay brilliant generals have Libra strongly featured in their charts. Iron fist in velvet glove - look at Thatcher, Libra Sun. And ex-president Bush had a Libra Moon. Will tey go down in history as peace-loving? - hardly.

Nexus
Adolf hitler was a male prostitutebefore he got into politics. he got syphysis in Vienna from a jewish prostitute.. supposevely 2 men who did not know each other came to the well-known and respected London syphilologist T. Anwyl-Davies
and told the tale about the event. He does not go into a detail how did they figure out that Hitler was involved with the same person. BUT it is well known fact that Hitler was a male prostitute. I cannot remember the town's name that Hitler's burned to the ground but i do remember that on a history channel they were talking about that little town and why did Hitler burn it. One of the hypothisis was that it stored information about his family since he has been proclaiming that he never had one. The other theory is that it is the town where Htiler was arrested for prostitution. he did affiliate syphylis as a jewish curse or somethign along those lines. If he was indeed infected in 1908, then by end of ww1, he was shot in the groin, some say he lost his testicle. If he was gay by 1908, by end of 1908 he was asexual because he was ashamed and repressed his sexuality, Interestingly enough Mein Kampf had 13 pages of reference to syphilis as direct threat to the future of the race. the guy had problems up in his head. Most of this I read in Putzi's book .. Putzi was a secretary of Nazi state under Hitler. When Putzi escaped, he was interviewed by C G Jung and after that he ended up in Washington writing Washington writing psychological profiles of Hitler and the Nazi inner circle, in the book Hitler: the missing years.
When Adolf Hitler's skull was found, to make sure it is indeed him .. they crossmatched it with the records that his personal dentist Hugo Blaschke provided, to outrule hitler's escape from Berlin to Argentina . His dentist knew everything he knew about Adolf, he ws his dentist for 12 years or something. After the war, Soviet army captured Fritz Echtmann , who was the dentist's technitian, who identified the dental work he and the doctor did within weeks before Hitler's death. Also, if you watch the videos, you can see when Adolf was laughing, he would cover it with his hand.
Parkinson's disease is easy to spot... in the last video, Hitler is walking in Berlin with his hand behind his back in tremors. while the other is handshaking the poor teenagers who ended up defending whatever left out of Berlin. i am sure it is on youtube

Adolf Hitler had undying love for animals. Sir John Simon and Anthony Eden dined with Hitler in Presidential palace in Berlin. they were suprized to see that Hitler was not eating meat at all. I believe no meat was served that day even for the guests.
it has been recorded that Adolf was against the fact that Eva Braun was wearing a make up because, in his world, cosmetics contained animal by-product. Leon Degrelle, who was hitler's belgian SS friend wrote that Adolf could nto bear eating meat because it meant the death of a living creature. they only thing he would eat is the egg because it came from a hen without killing a hen.. talk about radical here.

Ironically enough, his vegeterian diet / high fiber diet ruined Hitler's digestive system, by 1931 according to his incompetent physician, Theo Morell, he stopped eating meat all together, Within a year, Hitler developed
this was taken from transcripts from Morell's diary.
ahh and my favorite of this all is US intelligence discovered that Morell was pumping Hitler with 28 different drugs, including eye-drops that contained 10 percent cocaine (up to 10 treatments a day), a concoction made from human placenta and "potency pills" made from ground bull's testicles.
according to the notes, Hitler suffered from agonizing flatulence which remained a regular occurrence. According to modern doctors, whoo have looked at Hitler's digestive problems .. they all come to a conclusion that hitler suffered from 2 contradicting each other conditions. If Hitler/doctor were taking care of one, the second condition would kick up. so it was never ending circle. Hitler was eating pretty much everything boiled from his personal garden that SS built for their furher ... Morell's notes had this written in 1943 notes "constipation and colossal flatulence occurred on a scale I have seldom encountered before."

here is the difference about Hitler and eveyrone else. Adolf saw violence when he was a kid. His father was beating his mother up and then whacking Adolf with a stick. To one ont Hitler said to himself at he will not cry when he gets punished. he witnessed how his mother was dying of cancer and a doctor who happened to be Jewish prescribed a dangerous drug..nothing possitive came from Hitler's childhood. He wanted to be a priest but couldnt .. then artistic talents appeared. he didnt get accepted toa rt school because he didnt paint portaits. his litle brother Edmund at age 6 died right in front of hitler himself. The major turning point came when Hitler met his history teacher Dr. Leopold Pötsch who inspired Hitler with German nationalism... it is just sad and tragic.

T

[R4VEN]

I think most people have a problem with his having Libra rising, because of certain misconceptions around the sign of Libra. As the opposite of traditionally-war-like Aries, I think Libra is always potentially, by far infinitely more ruthless and calculating than Aries
Exactly!!!

This thread goes into the Libra-Aries-fighting thing, just in terms of the energies of the polarity.
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=16706

Must not forget other Libra Asc people - Bill Clinton & David Koresh. Not wanting to put the two together, but each had/have a way of `making right' what it was they wished others to believe, and both were very convincing to the people being convinced. And both had times when they were not terribly nice guys. Libra R has a very dark side to it if a person allows this to surface.
(Having said that, I'm certain Hillary was not convinced when Bill went home to tell her his side of the story :surprised:)

[starlink]

Well well Tikana, that is quite the story!! You have done extensive research it seems. Half of these things I did not know at all! It is terrible isn't it, that such life experiences can really turn sensitive young people into ruthless killers or just plain mental. You see it over and over again. For some reason he got famous, others, just like him, are still all over the place, not noticed until after their crimes.

[templeton]

hitler did not have typical german facial nor body features.
you guys view him as everything but Libra rising because of his deeds.

he was sick healthwise from early age... mainly digestive system... plus he had syphilis, a form of autism, then parkinsons, then numerous dental problems, was unhealthy vegetarrian.. all this contirbuted not only to his physical but mental health.BUT it is well known fact that Hitler was a male prostitute.I actually don't think you can pinpoint someone's ascendant based on their deeds. I was basing my theory on his facial features and expressions which seem to fit the descriptions of Scorpio, at least the ones I've read. Being able to dazzle an audience does not solely fall under Libra's domain, there are many gifted public speakers with different rising signs.

There were a lot of rumours that spread after Hitler's death, with regards to his sexual orientation and psychological makeup. A lot of the rumours were published and taken as fact, but very few of them can actually be corroborated. It is easier for people to try and paint him as a monster or a sexual deviant, anything less than human.

With that being said, he may very well have contracted syphilis during his youth but we simply cannot verify this. He had numerous romantic liaisons and casual affairs with women during his time in power. That seems to directly contradict the notion that he was gay or had homosexual tendencies. Can you point me to your source? I mean, something beyond speculative rumor. Because I haven't read anything that conclusively proves that he was.

[tikana]

I actually don't think you can pinpoint someone's ascendant based on their deeds. I was basing my theory on his facial features and expressions which seem to fit the descriptions of Scorpio, at least the ones I've read. Being able to dazzle an audience does not solely fall under Libra's domain, there are many gifted public speakers with different rising signs.

There were a lot of rumours that spread after Hitler's death, with regards to his sexual orientation and psychological makeup. A lot of the rumours were published and taken as fact, but very few of them can actually be corroborated. It is easier for people to try and paint him as a monster or a sexual deviant, anything less than human.

With that being said, he may very well have contracted syphilis during his youth but we simply cannot verify this. He had numerous romantic liaisons and casual affairs with women during his time in power. That seems to directly contradict the notion that he was gay or had homosexual tendencies. Can you point me to your source? I mean, something beyond speculative rumor. Because I haven't read anything that conclusively proves that he was.


??? what? direct statements from the witnesses who actually knew hitler are not enough? try googling .. no one argues about hitler's birth time it is pretty much accurate... no one knows if he was bi, straight, asexual, one thing is known Eva Braun and Adolf were always sleeping in separate beds.

speaking of looks, i have a leo rising.. i have lunar face, when my chart was rectified, 2 astrologers thought i was cancer rising because of my face, rounded eyes and lunar type of lips. I had to contradict that cause
facial features are genetical. finally my chart was rectified properly and i am late leo rising. not a single event in my life matched cancer rising.

yeah he had women in his life.... look at what happeend to them... 1 direct relative,
btw.. adolf hitler's sexuality was discussed on " the history channell's Hitler's women"
adolf hitler's personal secretary said that hitler was sleeping in different beds

try this
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexuality_of_Adolf_Hitler

or read "Young Hitler I knew" by August Kubizek *he knew Hitler personally"

i havent attempted to seduce hitler so i dont know what his sexual life was like if anything

T

[templeton]

Well, that is the main reasoning behind his alleged perversity, the obvious pattern that most of his close female relations ended up dead or seriously disturbed. We will never know what went on behind closed doors, but it's not hard to put two and two together. Pretty much his entire inner circle died along with him at the conclusion of WWII. I think the only survivor who was exposed to him on a daily basis was his personal secretary, and it's doubtful she would have been privy to those private and sordid details.
I think there are some credibility issues that need to be taken into consideration.

I agree that the Libra ascendant makes sense, from an astrological standpoint due in part to the Uranus conjunction. I was just pointing out that he looked and acted more like a Plutonian. His appearance, his obsessions with power, control, sex point to a deeper scorpionic influence.

Uranus cannot be controlled but it is never deliberately evil.
The worst manifestation of a Uranian would be an impulsive, out of control, deranged madman.
The worst manifestation of a Plutonian would be a cunning, manipulative, cruel and evil sadist.
You can probably make an argument for either, but I'm more pretty sure he knew exactly what he was doing.

[blacksun?]

Yeah I saw that one, but thought there must have been something else adding to such an extreme case of luck in staying alive? Maybe there's some fixed stars or certain planetary degrees or something, I don't know.
To explain the enromous magical powers of his personality look at his Pluto Neptune conjunction biquintile his ascendant, and Neptune quintiling Saturn, dragging along Pluto:

Saturn quintile Neptune:

You are gifted at creating glamour and illusion, or at grounding your ideals and dreams into practical reality. You could be an excellent movie producer, magician or politician. You can ignite people�s imagination and use imagery and emotion to sway them to your way of thinking. You might also be a spiritual advisor and guide, as your ideals are deeply grounded in the real world, and your faith and insight are based on solid foundations. You give expression to your awareness within the context of day to day challenges and problems. Your imagination and insights are creatively dramatic, playful and exciting, giving great impact to your expressions.

Saturn quintile Pluto:

You are masterful at wielding power and holding positions of authority. It is very likely that you will gravitate to executive positions and/or amass great wealth. You have an uncanny business instinct. You are highly sensitive and perceptive, and you penetrate to the essence of whatever or whomever you direct your attention to. Despite being of a rather serious and intense temperament, you can utilize surprise, play and creativity to great effect, which makes you an excellent leader or teacher. You may be gifted in the physical sciences.

http://members.wizzards.net/~magyan/Saturn_Aspects.html