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alliewar
02-19-2008, 02:31 AM
I don't understand what is going on with me. I'm getting shyer. I talk less and I'm more reserved. I don't really like this part of me but that is what I am becoming. I try to be more outgoing but its not working, I stumble on my words and I just don't really feel the need to talk... but also I belive I am thinking slower to, but i think i only belive that because i am having trouble with putting words together and communication.. can this be explained through astrology?
May 4 1988
Brampton Ontario Canada
4:05 a.m.
archergirl
02-19-2008, 03:38 PM
Without seeing a chart, you may have a natal configuration that makes you less than eloquent; usually Mercury/Saturn or Mercury/Uranus. I, for example, have a Mercury/Uranus square, so I tend to stutter when I get worked up and sometimes my brain works MUCH faster than my mouth; and because my Mercury is in Capricorn in the 12th house, all my best 'comebacks' and witty retorts come well after the moment has passed where they will have any effect on the offender.:p
My son has a Mercury/Saturn conjuction; he was slow to speak as a toddler, and still speaks much more slowly than his peers, with a slight slur. Speech pathologists have found nothing organically 'wrong' with his speech, and he certainly isn't dumb (he's in the gifted program). He just speaks slowly and has especial trouble when he's pissed off about something.
AG:)
starlink
02-19-2008, 05:08 PM
Oh well, I have given up. My charts are of a different format apparently and cannot be uploaded into the Images department.
Alliwar, could you then maybe give your birthdetails? Maybe it has to do with your progressed Mercury now having come into a sign or a house where it wants to be left alone or express itself less (and maybe thinking more?).
I have a Mercury-Saturn exact square but never really had "speaking my mind "troubles. It mainly affected my selfconfidence about my intellectual capacity as I always thought I was dumb and needed diploma's to show myself and others that I actually wasn't :)
If this thing has come gradually and was not present when you were young, then I think that either your Progressed Mercury has gone retrograde or has moved into a more subdued sign or house. I need the birthdetails to verify that.
Cheers, Starlink
alliewar
02-19-2008, 05:12 PM
My birth details:
May 4th 1988
Brampton Ontario Canada
4:05 a.m.
I wasn't always like this, it has just been happening recently, for the past few weeks..
starlink
02-19-2008, 05:17 PM
Oh great, so fast. May 4th, how about that. I am from May 5th, very near, but of course way older than your are. I must do dinner now and tomorrow will give you an answer. Cheers, Star.
wilsontc
02-19-2008, 08:37 PM
allie,
You said:
I don't understand what is going on with me...I stumble on my words and I just don't really feel the need to talk
Thanks for posting your chart. You have an unaspected* Mercury (thinking, also talking) focused near the 3rd house (thinking, also talking) so you do not "connect in" with your talking (i.e., because of your uanspected Mercury). You may be talking more than you think, however, since you aren't aware of the talking you do (i.e., the lack of "connection" to talking). I suggest working on your talking in an active way so you become aware of your talking. Consider joining a speaking club such as Toastmasters (www.toastmasters.org) which will help you to get out and speak. You ARE a talker, as you know, you just need a little "push" to get you going! ;)
Pushing,
Tim
* Edited, per star's comment: "Unaspected" means there is no conjunction, square, opposition, sextile, or trine to the planet, in this case, to Mercury.
starlink
02-19-2008, 08:47 PM
Alliewar, hi, I looked at your chart and progressions (after dinner) and have found a few indicators. I believe that when something all of a sudden appears, there must be something that triggered an existing tension or sub-conscious pain in your psychological set-up.
There is only one Mercury aspect in this chart and indeed it is Uranus inconjunct Mercurius . Mercurius is on a critical degree as well, 29° Taurus.
Mercury, Sun and Jupiter are all ruled by Venus.
The midpoint of this inconjunct aspect lies around 17° Pisces which is conjunct your Ascendant. This aspect plays a vital role in your chart because it has to do with your state of mind and what is triggering it at the moment? Transiting Uranus. It is exactly at 17° Pisces, conjunct the Mercury/Uranus midpoint and your Ascendant.
Your Ascendant is the focal point of a T-square with a Uranus-Saturn conjunction and your Venus. The Venus opposition in your natal chart with this Uranus-Saturn conjunction lies one the MC-IC Axis. Private and Public life but also Authorative persons like parents opposed to family members (children).
Venus is co-ruler of the intercepted 7th house AND Venus rules your Mercury, Sun and Jupiter, traditional ruler of your Ascendant.
I was looking to see if maybe Mercury had turned retrograde, but instead I found that the ruler of Mercury, by progression, went retrograde!! And this happened on 26th July 2006. This was a few month after you turned 18.
From that moment on, this problem might already have started . Maybe you did not notice it at first, but now, with Uranus ever more moving into a square with Venus and triggering the Mercury-Uranus midpoint, you do feel it.
Also, transiting Saturn is now squaring natal Mercury as well which is always a sign of a mental slowdown, not wanting to speak so much.
Saturn falls in your 6th house and this square could temporarily give you depressed thoughts. Not only that, your Progressed Moon is also in the 6th house at the moment and transiting Saturn is approaching the conjunction. This could seriously affect your emotions and consequently state of mind. You could be depressed without realizing it maybe.
Transiting Uranus is also squaring your natal Moon. (and widely Venus).
The whole set-up of your chart makes me think that this feeling has come back to you from long ago when you were still a child. Venus opposes Uranus in your chart. This often has to do with separation of a loved one and it has affected your selfconfidence as well because Venus is ruler of your 2nd house of self worth.
Venus also rules your house of relationships, so this separation will have it's consequences later in life as well, showing up as changing relationships or separations.
When you turned 18, shortly after, Venus turned retrograde in progression.
Was there anything that happened then in relation to a separation with someone you loved? Can be anyone, not a partner.
Think back to what happened in your childhood (around 6-7 years of age) also. I suspect that there is a connection there which upset you when you were at that age and has upset you again recently.
You are living in India. Arranged marriages are common there. Maybe I am wrong, but the ruler of your 7th and your 4th (family) are both ruled by Mercury. I dont know if you are married or that a marriage was arranged for you? This is a wild guess on my part, but if so, it could be that this is making you unhappy.
I am going to bed now, will await your answer then tomorrow.
I hope this has helped a bit. It is quite clear to me that you are having this sudden problem. But it will pass over, maybe not immediately, because that Saturn is so close to your Moon, but it will eventually, so dont worry too much about it. You probably need this to think things through and sort your feelings out.
Cheers, Starlink.
starlink
02-19-2008, 08:55 PM
Hi Tim, I saw that you wrote: unaspected Mercury, but there is an almost exact inconjunct to Uranus, applying as well. This shows subconscious (often always present)nervous tension.
I forgot to mention in my post to Alliewar, that her Progressed Mercury is now exactly conjunct Venus (ruler of her Merc.) and transiting Uranus, even though it is still 7° away from squaring Progr. Merc. and Venus, could already be felt. There is a lot going on at the moment in her chart.
Cheers, Starlink
alliewar
02-19-2008, 10:00 PM
I was looking to see if maybe Mercury had turned retrograde, but instead I found that the ruler of Mercury, by progression, went retrograde!!
I don't understand. I thought planets go retrograde, not the ruler themselves? I guess it did trigger back in 2006. I remeber in July I accidentally over dosed on caffiene pills, which started my mental confusion, but it didn't make me as bad as I am now. I do feel more of a mental slow down recently. Its the Saturn squaring natal Mercury? When will that pass? When it passes, will I be back to normal?
Hmm.. back when I was 18.. I don't belive I seperated from anyone.. But I remember back in March of 2006 I was seperated from my best friend of years over a miss understand, and it hurt me a lot, but in August we came to be friends again.. Other then that I never experienced sepration from a loved one..
Well when I was 6 -7 years old I started school. I was always shy and was an easy target for bullies. But its not like I'm getting bulllied now, I'm in college, I have a presentation to present tomarrow and I'm terrified, I never had problems presenting in highschool, never scared, but now I am because I know Im having confusion with speech.
Um.. no I'm not living in India. I was born and grew up and still living in Canada. Whoa I'm 19, too young to think about marriage lol. My family does not do arrange marriages..
This was a lot of information, thank you! So when will my conflict transits pass?
starlink
02-20-2008, 05:52 AM
Thank you Alliewar for giving me some answers. Yes, about that marriage thing, I recently had a case like that, very young girl was married out to a much older man and she was desperate about it. She was from India. Glad to hear you dont fall under that category.
As for rulers of planets,yes, that is important. Planets energies get out according to the sign they are in. If planets are ruled by Mars, you can be far more enterprising and aggressive then when the same planets are ruled by Venus, so when the planets background energy changes to retrograde, then that is significant.
If a child for instance is very slow in school in his early years, because of a retrograde Mercury in his chart, then more often than not, this child gets much better in school when his progressed Mercury goes direct. (and vise versa as well).
Now your progressed retrograde Venus, ruling your planets Jupiter, Sun and Mercury is now exactly at 0" Cancer and exactly opposing your Uranus at 0° Capricorn as well as Saturn. Uranus rules your 12th house of very early childhood and it has Mars in it, square Sun which shows suppressed anger. Mars is ruled by Uranus, Sun and Mercury by Venus. Venus now opposes Uranus by progression and indirectly must trigger this subconscious anger (or frustration of not being able to defend yourself) maybe.
With Uranus on the Ascendant you are bound to feel changes and nervousness because of that midpoint trigger I mentioned. Also, very important is the fact that your progressed Mars, co-ruler of your intercepted first house Aries has entered Pisces last year and the Moon eclipse of the 21st is opposing it.
The Mars qualities, initiative etc. are getting the Pisces influence and that together with that progressed Neptune on your natal Mars give a double concentration on this energy. It could make you definitively less focussed and more sensitive. You have very little Water in your chart, apart from your Ascendant,(but ruler again in Earth) and now, by progression Mars and Venus both have come into water signs. This can also bring inner change. You probably will have noticed that you are more emotional? Early childhood issues might come to the surface with progr. Venus in Cancer now, in your 4th house.
You are quite ambitious, ruler Asc. in 10 and Saturn dignified as well, so anything threatening your career advancement (be it other people or just circumstances) could affect your selfconfidence.(the ruler Jupiter is in your 2nd house conjunct your Sun) and Saturn in the 10th showing the area where you can have fears.
Transiting Neptune has gone over and still is very close to your Mars and also about to square your Mercury. This transit could cause confusion of mind, not being able to concentrate.
Unfortunately it is all coming together at the same time for you. No wonder you feel like this.
Mercury rules your 3rd house after all, the lower mind,the way you think and speak.. Now, Uranus is activating that inconjunct between Uranus and Mercury and transiting Saturn is conjunct your progressed Moon in the 6th and at the same time squaring Mercury. This is creating contradictions. Uranus excellerates, Saturn slows down which could hamper your way of thinking and talking at the moment. Your natal Uranus/Saturn conjunction in your 10th house is doing the same in fact. This theme is being activated at the moment.
This situation can still last a bit longer. Progressed Moon moves on. About a month ago he was exactly conjunct tr. Saturn, but Pr. Moon moves every month between 1° and 1.5° forward and this can pass in about 3 month. But that transiting Saturn will stay longer in Virgo and squaring your Mercury. He goes retrograde and the orb between them gets smaller. But this will pass eventually when Saturn moves on which can also take a few month. Same slow movements with Neptune and Uranus of course.
Now, Uranus moves slower and still has to conjunct your Asc. exactly. This can bring personal change into your life and a wish for more personal freedom. It can also highten your sensitivity and intuitive talents.
The Moon Eclipse coming thursday falls in your 6th house and will sextile your progressed Venus and trine your natal Uranus.The Uranus-Venus opposition is activated by this.
This Eclipse will also oppose your progressed Mars and I think bring out a part of you that has been hidden (12th house) for a long time.
I dont know if you are in a relationship now, but you will feel a bit stiffled and therefore need some time for yourself (and from other people as well). The Sun Eclipse from 7 Febr. trined your natal Mercury. that maybe also caused this mental change in you but necessarily slowing it down as you are experiencing.
Your Moon is natally in the 9th house, showing your interest in studies etc. and now it is being hampered by Uranus and Saturn (Uranus tr. squares your Moon, Saturn tr. conjuncts Progr. Moon).
Another thing. You also have an inconjunct between Moon and Sun, so this Uranus transits is affecting that inconj. as well. (your behavior somehow is out of sinc with your emotional needs). Neptune sextiles your MC, showing success through effort on your part to advance in whatever you have decided to do in life, but Neptune is Neptune and always brings some element of confusion into the picture. This could also bring you mental restlessness. You clearly want to make a living for yourself. What are you studying? Something creative, the arts? Garden architechture maybe? Maybe you are unsure at the moment about your direction in life?
All in all, it think you will get back to "normal" again after all these heavy transits have passed. This will not happen overnight, but at least Saturn will move on, getting away from that square to Mercury and Progressed Moon will also move away from trans. Saturn. This could just be part of the transformation you are going through at the moment. Your mind has to adjust to it. Transiting Jupiter is trining your Jupiter and Sun from the10th house and this of course is really great and will counteract the difficult time you are going through.
Things will work out allright, just go with the flow even if it takes longer than you would like.
All the best, Starlink
Hi Tim, I saw that you wrote: unaspected Mercury, but there is an almost exact inconjunct to Uranus, applying as well. This shows subconscious (often always present)nervous tension.
Star, I wanted to add a couple things. As you know, I've had my eye very much on the Pluto/Mars opposition.
In Mar. of 2006, Mars/Pluto was forming just about the same opposition as now. Pluto was roughly in the same place (it moves so slowly), but Mars conjuncted Venus at that time.
Since that time Pluto has done it's usual little dance, direct and retrograde each year, but the net movement is small.
In September of 2007 Mars was again in almost the same spot. It swept on past, but it has nearly gone back to contact Mars AGAIN, only recently starting forward again.
I'm not for one moment downplaying any of the details you've mentioned. I'm just adding this.
Mars entered the 4th house last September. It conjuncted Venus, then opposed Uranus, Saturn and Neptune, and it spent its longest period opposing Neptune, always a confusing period. It will not leave the 4th until the end of March, and it will oppose Neptune again.
I see Mars as the major irritant for many of us over the last few months. And I think that as we approach April, we will amost all feel a great deal of relief.
MY mind has been working very slowly during the last few months, due to other transits, and I'm just now feeling as though some of this "slowness" is lifting. It's been very difficult for me to communicate too.
I wonder how many other people have noticed this?
Gaer
starlink
02-20-2008, 07:34 AM
Oh about this:
Other then that I never experienced sepration from a loved one..
This can also work out differently, like missing the presence of a loved one and therefore the care and love you needed as a child. I see this often with people who's mother worked and had no time for her child. It does not really mean that you lost someone. In return, it will be difficult for you to show love to others, unless you are very sure of yourself and the other person. The Venus -Uranus/Saturn opposition is showing this in your natal chart and with progressed Venus getting even closer to this conjunction in your 10th, you maybe feel again (subconsciously) the necessity to be loved and cared for.
starlink
02-20-2008, 07:42 AM
Oh Gear, thank you so much for pointing this out. I was concentrating more on the progressions and slower transits, but of course, this Mars is doing it's work as well, very appropriate. I was thinking of you and actually wanted you to look at this chart as well. We must have had ESP, :)!
Funny you say this:
MY mind has been working very slowly during the last few months, due to other transits, and I'm just now feeling as though some of this "slowness" is lifting. It's been very difficult for me to communicate too.
but I have noticed this with myself. I dont want to go out (not even shopping!!) and can walk around in a daze here at home, very difficult to do my daily chores as well. Only astrology is great!! It has become utterly addictive.Same goes for a good friend of mine who told me that he just cannot get going. He calls it "feeling utterly lazy". Usually he emails a lot, now I hardly hear from him.But I understand why.
I have to look into my own chart (do that not enough but should really).
Thanks Gear, much appreciated! Cheers, Star.
alliewar
02-20-2008, 10:05 PM
Well I havn't really known how to show love over all... yeah I have been feeling unloved for the longest time, I havn't been in a relationship. You say Venus is in Cancer? I though Venus is recently in Aquaruis now? or if your talking about my Venus, isn't it in Gemini? Your right about my interests in learning even though i didn't do to well in school and grades. Im in college Im taking Private Investigation. The Eclipse is tonight, cant wait to see it, but you say that it falls in my 6th house, The Eclipse is in Virgo, wouldn't that mean it falls under my 7th house? And what you said about the Eclipse bring out a part of myself that was hidden, can't wait to find out what that is about too, could the hidden part of myself be related to Mars characteristics?
Oh Gear, thank you so much for pointing this out. I was concentrating more on the progressions and slower transits, but of course, this Mars is doing it's work as well, very appropriate. I was thinking of you and actually wanted you to look at this chart as well. We must have had ESP, :)!
:)
It's interesting how each of us focuses on different thing, which is why two heads are truly better than one!
I dont want to go out (not even shopping!!) and can walk around in a daze here at home, very difficult to do my daily chores as well. Only astrology is great!! It has become utterly addictive.Same goes for a good friend of mine who told me that he just cannot get going. He calls it "feeling utterly lazy". Usually he emails a lot, now I hardly hear from him.But I understand why.
I'm actually luckier than many people, because although I have Uranus at 0 Cancer, and quite obviously the Mars/Pluto opposition will line up right on that, Uranus is in a rather strong and fortunate position in my natal. What is wearing me down is dealing with all the people who getting thumped by much harder aspects from the transiting planets!
I have to look into my own chart (do that not enough but should really).
Thanks Gear, much appreciated! Cheers, Star.
I see Mars squaring your Venus and Neptune in late Oct. 2007, then again in December (Rx), just coming off inconjunct Jupiter very recently, then AGAIN the T formation in late March. So you have faced the "triple-whamy" of this Mars cycle, like so many people!
But at least for you, the worst of Mars has not hit right at the opposition with Pluto.
My poor wife has seen the opposition form twice with once to go with natal Jupiter/Venus right on her IC very close to 0 cancer. And the third time coming up the beginning of March. Then WE may have some emotional relief. <sigh>
Gaer
starlink
02-21-2008, 07:07 AM
Hi Allie, I was talking about progressed Venus, not transiting or natal Venus. Progr.Venus has gone retrograde in 2006 and going back to 0° Cancer where it already has been when it went over this point, going direct. So it has been hovering near this degree for quite a while now.
starlink
02-21-2008, 07:26 AM
Gear, thanks for looking at my chart. You saw:
I see Mars squaring your Venus and Neptune in late Oct. 2007, then again in December (Rx), just coming off inconjunct Jupiter very recently, then AGAIN the T formation in late March. So you have faced the "triple-whamy" of this Mars cycle, like so many people!
Thinking back, nothing really earthshaking has happened to me in my relationship. There are always thoughts of course (did I choose the right guy for me, yes, that has happened because of different aspects we have, him being totally chaotic, me very neat, him never planning anything, happy go lucky, me always figuring things out way in advance. His ways upset me frequently, but his character is adorable and when I look at that, then all is OK again.) So the Mars (my traditional Asc. ruler) and Neptune, yes, deception at times and to Venus, well, speaks for itself. And the problem has also been about financial stuff. I am worried (Mars in my 8th) that he will loose money because of this lackadasial attitude (I dont know how to write that, sorry:)) and then I will have to support him in my old age. 8th house is about support from others amongst other things. Yes, I am more at ease with it now, we talked (argued better said) extensively about it and he sees how much his way of doing things works me up, so he now also wants to get things going.(he has to empty part of his huge warehouse, putting all the stuff into the other part, so he does not have to pay rent for the first part anymore. All before June. I dont know HOW he will manage, because he wants to do it mostly alone (Virgo can be very stingy at times). This "move" really freaks me out, but OK, he understands and has gone in second gear now, ha ha!!
starlink
02-21-2008, 07:31 AM
Hi Tim,
Tim
* Edited, per star's comment: "Unaspected" means there is no conjunction, square, opposition, sextile, or trine to the planet, in this case, to Mercury.
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I did not know that Tim. In that case you were right of course. I always do involve the inconjunct as I so often see it work out in a natal (not horary) chart and is (I thought at least) considered a major aspect now.
Cheers, Starlink
Allie,
For the time you said you were feeling shy, Mercury was retrograde in your 12th house. That can affect you temporarily.
Philosophically, I need to tell you that you need to cut yourself some slack. Your ascendant is Neptune ruled, and it's normal for you not to be verbally agressive, showy or quick to speak. Merc, in the last degree of Taurus, inconjunct Uranus, and with the wide opposition to the moon makes you reticent if you are unsure exactly what to say.
AND THAT'S OK. It's normal for you. You aren't even 20 yet. You will learn how to articulate your thoughts in the appropriate way as you get older. Besides, it's nice to be around people who sometimes just listen and don't have to talk all the time. When in doubt, say nothing.
Was it Mark Twain who said, "It's better to keep silent and have people think one a fool, than speak and remove all doubt" -?
Don't worry.
LIN
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