Astrology of Physicians

[Hex Astrology]

I'm trieng to research what astrological indicators points towards physicians, medical doctors, healers, surgeons.

Can't find any physician whit a natal chart.

[memento mori]

hmh. I've heard strong mars is recommended for surgeons. I've been suggested to look into it cause of the arian mars.

Sun in Virgo ....The interest in health and care of the body is seen in careers connected with medicine, public health, nursing, therapeutics, herbalism, alternative health, massage, physical training, hands-on healing, ecology, veterinary medicine, nutrition, cooking, clothing, food services, and dietetics. Virgos like to understand how things work and why we act as we do; these traits may lead to occupations in teaching, training, psychology, psychiatry, sociology, social work, and similar endeavors

Taurus 2nd house cusp...is also connected with bodily comforts, material goods, and things of the earth. ... interest in the human body and meeting basic human needs could lead to a career in medicine, the social services, physical fitness, massage, culinary arts, or similar pursuits.

A sixth house Sun gives an interest in matters related to health, hygiene, and the care of the body or mind. This is an excellent position for nurses, physicians, surgeons, teachers, educators, pharmacists, therapists, psychologists, psychiatrists, chiropractors, and those who provide health care services. There is often an interest in the natural sciences and their practical applications. strong desire to provide a service or to do something that tangibly helps other people. A knack for meticulous, systematic, and methodical work is frequent. may also have a talent for writing, crafts, clerical work, or activities requiring manual dexterity and fine motor movement. There is often a fondness for pets and small animals that may lead to work in veterinary medicine.

moon in pisces could lead to career in nursing, counseling, social work, teaching, medicine, anthropology, psychology, psychiatry, psychotherapy, criminology, public relations, acupuncture, healing, charitable work, or anything that seeks to uplift the human spirit or assist those who are disadvantaged or confined to institutions (hospitals, nursing homes, prisons, etc.).

this is just some basic stuff i dug up . unfortunatly actual physicians come to mind.

closest i am to find a physician is freud. he started as a physician under physicians, :D discovered pain managment via cocaine :D



EDIT: Planets in general in 6th tend to be indiactive

among others Jupiter in 6th: A sixth house Jupiter often shows an interest in health, diet, hygiene, and therapeutics, as well as an ability to deal with methodical or meticulous work. might choose an occupation in health care such as a nurse, physician, surgeon, dentist, chiropractor, acupuncturist, psychiatrist, psychologist, therapist, social worker, or counselor.

Uranus in 6th is coneccted to alternative medicine

Jupiter square Neptune . though im not quite sure about that

Saturn and Pluto in the 10th are also favorable.

Sun in 8th house also.

[Sag Moon]

I'm trieng to research what astrological indicators points towards physicians, medical doctors, healers, surgeons.

Can't find any physician whit a natal chart.

I would suggest that you do a search for a book by Gauquelin as he did extensive research into the area of identifying planets in sectors related to occupations.

Mars is a planet most associated with surgeons if I remember correctly,but there is more to it then that as I have Mars in the 10th and coud never be a surgeon. Athletes also have Mars prominent.
here are lso charts like Dr.Benjiamin(?) Spock I think.

[Hex Astrology]

Thanks Memento Mori and Sag Moon for your replies.


closest i am to find a physician is freud. he started as a physician under physicians, :D discovered pain managment via cocaine :D


http://www.astrotheme.fr/en/portrait.php?clef=ssXEL9h8d2Gf&info=true


here are lso charts like Dr.Benjiamin(?) Spock I think.


http://www.astrotheme.fr/en/portrait.php?clef=VrC4qTQd3V65&info=true

Hope these are the charts.

Mars is a planet most associated with surgeons if I remember correctly,but there is more to it then that as I have Mars in the 10th and coud never be a surgeon. Athletes also have Mars prominent.

This is a very interesting observation. I've saw many charts whit Mars in Aries and 10th house at the same time, even Scorpio in other charts. These combination didn't necesairy give surgeons. A surgeon must have a good heart and courage so he can save lifes, but needs to be cold during surgery. A strong Mars makes one hard to control himself, he needs to stay chill and patient during surgery, which usualy can take a long time. Mars is necesairy for surgeons, but needs more than that. This I agree. ( Note to say, I know someone who has Mars in Aries in 10th and she's afraid of blood, violence and stuff like that, but she studies laws and psychology, expecialy criminal psychology. )

Saturn and Pluto in the 10th are also favorable.


I don't know about this combination. But Saturn can force someone when it comes to destiny ( and vocation ), it's the most less free-will planet. So Saturn in 6th and 12th can indicate that the native is always aware of health issues. He can either be sick, or someone close him to be sick. Saturn makes him to " If you cannot beat us, join us ", if health issues are a part of the native's life, this will be his motivation, he could become a physician, ( Look at Benjamin's Saturn ). This true either if Saturn is really strong in 6th/12th ( dignified, fixed stars, aspects and such ).

I'm not a medic, but I like to study medical astrology deeper and medicine. From what I know the planets except Mars can give:

Sun = Cardiology, Ophthalmology, Cardiac surgery,

Moon = Gastroenterology, Rheumatology, Palliative care, Psychiatry, Nutrition, Family Medicine, Genetics, General practice,

Mercury = Neurology, Veterinary medicine, Proctology, Pulmonology, Infectious disease, Nutrition, Pharmacology, Histology, Cytology, Hospital medicine, General practice, Radiology, Internal Medicine

Venus = Gynaecologists, Nephrology, Plastic surgery, Nutrition, Dermatology, Reproductive medicine, Vascular surgery, Hematology,

Mars = Emergency medicine, infectious disease, Surgery, general surgery, Maxillofacial Surgery, Orthopedic surgery, Otolaryngology, Sports medicine, Toxicology, Traumatology, Dentistry

Jupiter = Endocrinology, Forensic medicine, Keraunomedicine, Vascular surgery, Hematology, Acupuncture, Immunology, oncologic surgery,

Saturn = Dermatology, Geriatrics, Nephrology, Oncology, Osteopathic medicine, Rheumatology, Orthopedic surgery, Surgical oncology, Internal Medicine

Uranus = Radiology, Disaster medicine, Keraunomedicine, Alternativ Medicine, Traumatology, Emergency medicine, Internal Medicine

Neptune = Oncology, Psychiatry, Neurology, Anaesthetics, Forensic medicine, Neurophysiology, Surgical oncology, Immunology, Pharmacology , Neuroscience, Genetics, Dermatology, Plastic surgery, Hospital medicine,

Pluto = Infectious disease, Gynaecologists, Proctology, Forensic medicine, Otolaryngology, Genetics, Toxicology, Traumatology, Radiology, Sex Change Surgery, Forensic medicine, Gender-based medicine

If i'm wrong or forgot something. Don't hesitate to correct me. The best medicine astrologer, is the one who is also is a medic.

[memento mori]

Hex , ur probably right about Saturn, I was relying on some cookie cutt interpretations.

I've found Joseph Lister [proved that surgery could be made safer by disinfecting surgical equipment] {he's available at astrotheme.fr}

If u run into Joseph Breuer's chart let me know. I can't find it anywhere

[Charm]

I will be graduating medical school in July. I am a naturopathic medical student.


Medical indications in my chart

I am posting my Chart. I have chiron in 6th house and pOF in house 6. (chiron, wounded healer, POF in house 6 money made from medicine). I also have mars on house 6, mars is in house 2 squaring pluto.
I also have Saturn conjunct moon, which gives me a cool head in emergencies.
Stellium mars, merc. sun in house 2, squaring pluto (regeneration, surgery, suffering)

I also have pluto sextile moon in house 9-helping to overcome suffering in others.

Pallas is in house 11-don't know how that relates.

Saturn and moon in leo-I am interested in pediatrics

Venus in pisces-empathy for those who are suffering.

I have also heard that Jupiter relates to doctors also. I have jupiter in taurus in house 7.

[Hex Astrology]

Hex , ur probably right about Saturn, I was relying on some cookie cutt interpretations.

I've found Joseph Lister [proved that surgery could be made safer by disinfecting surgical equipment] {he's available at astrotheme.fr}

If u run into Joseph Breuer's chart let me know. I can't find it anywhere
Doesn't matter on what you rely on, your information it's still very helpful.

Can't find Joseph Breuers chart, it could of been interesting, wanted to know also why his life was so short.

Joseph Lister's chart:

http://www.astrotheme.fr/en/portrait.php?clef=24gvRK5Gwt36&info=true

Arghhh, his birth time is unknown. The Mercury/Sun is really something, he is extremely smart, cause Aries represents the head, the mind. Sun is exalted there. Mercury fells good too, and also its the esoteric ruler of Aries. Also Mercury/Sun opposite Jupiter can give discoveries ( Mercury meaning details and problems hard to observe )
I will be graduating medical school in July. I am a naturopathic medical student.


Medical indications in my chart

I am posting my Chart. I have chiron in 6th house and pOF in house 6. (chiron, wounded healer, POF in house 6 money made from medicine). I also have mars on house 6, mars is in house 2 squaring pluto.
I also have Saturn conjunct moon, which gives me a cool head in emergencies.
Stellium mars, merc. sun in house 2, squaring pluto (regeneration, surgery, suffering)

I also have pluto sextile moon in house 9-helping to overcome suffering in others.

Pallas is in house 11-don't know how that relates.

Saturn and moon in leo-I am interested in pediatrics

Venus in pisces-empathy for those who are suffering.

I have also heard that Jupiter relates to doctors also. I have jupiter in taurus in house 7.
Thanks for your natal. Your observation is interesting, but when I try to analyze someones chart, I need something more deeper and more individual. Let's take your chart for example, Neptune atracted my attention beacuse it conjuncts fixed star Ras Algethi, which gives interes in medicine discoveries.
Then your Mars and Venus is really a cannon - medical indicator. Thats very individual, Mars ( Ruling 6th ) is in exaltation and sextiles your Venus ( ruling 12th ) in exaltation. That gives a inner calm and equilibrium, but there is more. Sextile means the two are in harmony, in a very intelectual way to express it. Mars is whit Mercury and Sun ( They are very medical, since they are both ruled by angel Rafael in angeology, Rafael is the secondary ruler of Sun after Mihael ), they are in 2nd ( earning money, motivates you to take as a vocation/job ). Not only that, Mars conjuncts fixed star Kaus Medius which makes the native interested in medicine that is more oriental, exotic, natural like acupuncture, alternative medicine, nature remedies. Venus in the other hand cojuncts itself a subtle medical star, Fomalhaut, but it's more psychological/spiritual, but still Fomalhaut [ " Regulus was long considered the supreme of the Four Guardians but the role of Fomalhaut - Gabriel, in the birth of Jesus - must now be said to challenge or actually supplant, with a new stage in human spiritual evolution, the supremacy of the more 'medical' Archangel of the Leonine era. (Dr Eric Morse, The Living Stars) ". ].

A quick analyze of your chart, Charm, of course there other elements in you chart that indicate medicine, I like using fixed stars cause they help me find out fast - cannon interpretation, always direct and true.

Your Uranus whit Acrux is the most direct influencial fixed star that points you towards your deep interes into astrology, mysteries and probably the occult.

Jupiter in 7th is an indicator too. 7th house is either the house of doctor, either the patient.
I have also heard that Jupiter relates to doctors also. I have jupiter in taurus in house 7.
Jupiter is great when it comes to doctors if you combine Jupiter's medical speciality whit other specialities. For example Jupiter rules endocrinology, if you combine it whit alternative medicine, natural remedies, acupuncture, su-jok and so on, you get a great result.

I'll be back later to discuss more.

[Charm]

Thanks Hex!

I don't know much about fixed stars, but it seems really accurate. It is very interesting what you said about Jupiter. My best subject in school has been endocrinology-I even served as a teaching assistant in this course. I also have a deep love of acupuncture, and use it almost daily while on internship. I am very good at it also. I will be specializing in pediatrics, because I feel I can influence the health of the entire family when I help the children of the family (it educates mom and dad!!).

Charm

[Vagabondgirl]

I know this thread is old, but interesting for me:) Im a medical student.

I think my chart only points out medical or health carreer. I have a huge 6th house with many planets if I use placidius.

The 6th house at virgo cusp with mars-venus-moon in virgo, sun i libra, mercury conjunct pluto in scorpio.

Mercury is he ruler of the AC (gemini) and pluto means surgery right? WOuld I be a good surgeon then for example?

Capricorn on 10th cusp, saturn in 6th house near the 7th house cusp. Saturn has sextile from mars-venus-moon.

Someone said I should get into gynechology. Any other opinions? Is pediatrics totally wrong according to my chart?

[Claire19]

I'm trieng to research what astrological indicators points towards physicians, medical doctors, healers, surgeons.

Can't find any physician whit a natal chart.
I have been thinking along the same lines. That I would put up three charts of different kinds of doctors or healers but we need to have correct birth times etc and it wont be so easy but I will give it a go.

[Claire19]

I know this thread is old, but interesting for me:) Im a medical student.

I think my chart only points out medical or health carreer. I have a huge 6th house with many planets if I use placidius.

The 6th house at virgo cusp with mars-venus-moon in virgo, sun i libra, mercury conjunct pluto in scorpio.

Mercury is he ruler of the AC (gemini) and pluto means surgery right? WOuld I be a good surgeon then for example?

Capricorn on 10th cusp, saturn in 6th house near the 7th house cusp. Saturn has sextile from mars-venus-moon.

Someone said I should get into gynechology. Any other opinions? Is pediatrics totally wrong according to my chart?

Mars is the planet for surgery and Pluto for general healing and transformations such as plastic surgery, psychology or psychiatry. Neptune rules your 10th and on the 7th cusp of consultancy and connected to hospitals.

I feel you would do well with psychology but the Moon is strong indicating the gynaecology and with the fourth house planets it is suggestive of family matters and babies once again. Pluto also deals in life and death issues of course. Midwifery and home nursing care are other options. Paediatrics is absolutely suitable. I see you actually going into people's homes to assist with births possibly. Moon conjunct the 5th of children with the SUn there adds to the connection with children sextile Saturn in the 6th. THere are aspects all over the place and sufficeth to say you are on the right track.

Saturn in the 6th takes responsibility for health and hygiene and the discipline and authority indicated there augurs well also.

I have a 6th house stellium including the Sun and Saturn and am a flower remedy practitioner, nutritionist and aromatherapist as well as an astrologer. I have an 8th house stellium as well. Transformations and healings and a strong Pluto connected from the 6th. I have a Scorpio Midheaven as well and Neptune rules my chart and is in the 8th. My sun is conjunct the 7th and I am a counsellor and give guidance.
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[Claire19]

Thanks Hex!

I don't know much about fixed stars, but it seems really accurate. It is very interesting what you said about Jupiter. My best subject in school has been endocrinology-I even served as a teaching assistant in this course. I also have a deep love of acupuncture, and use it almost daily while on internship. I am very good at it also. I will be specializing in pediatrics, because I feel I can influence the health of the entire family when I help the children of the family (it educates mom and dad!!).

Charm
I have found Jupiter prominent in the charts of healers and doctors. As it is the planet of benevolence and also of higher studies, and for living life to the full, it is not surprising.

[smilingsteph]

I work in the medical field and have done some research myself on this subject, asking the surgeons themselves what signs they are and if they were willing to participate...

Lets just say it was hard, because I got laughed at a few times..

I found that the floor I worked on, had many physicians who were of Virgo suns (unable to get birth data).
Many nursing staff were also of virgo suns, or had virgo rising or virgo moons (virgo moon myself).

Of the surgeons charts that I did get my hands on, three of them had Aries midheavens, with strong martain placements.

One cardiologist was a triple libra, he said he thought the heart was beautiful and he picked cardiology because he wouldnt have to get his hands dirty- go figure!

I will continue on with my study, but at this new hospital I work at the people I work with are not as open, so I am working on that!

[Vagabondgirl]

I love psychology, and also studied it for like 2 years:)

But I dont think psychiatri really is the thing for me. Gynechology maybe sounds more right, or pediatrics as a 2nd alternative. I have the impression that Im quite good with my hands, like fine movement kind of artistic like. So maybe also some surgery? I assume gynechology has to do with surgery also.

So is mercury-pluto conjunction in scorpi sextile neptune in 8th house an indication of work with childbirth or embryology??? Im not sure what in medicine neptune represents....

Are there any other typical configurations/aspects for surgery? I dont think my mars is so strong in my chart, I think moon and venus are stronger. Or what do you think?

[Vagabondgirl]

Ah, ok. I have gemini AC.

Mars is in virgo. But is it strong or not?? I see it has one square from Uranus (5 deg orb). Not so good? Think this aspect means accidents....

[docker]

Main degrees about medicine

20 cancer
22 leo
09 libra
23 libra
01 scorpio
14 scorpio
17 sagittarius
22 sagittarius
04 pisces
19 pisces
22 pisces
27 pisces

Secondary degrees about medicine
26 taurus
29 sagittarius
25 aquarius
10 pisces

[Vagabondgirl]

I thought 2-3 degrees scorpio was about medicine and research?

Hmmm. Other than that, I dont have any of the other degrees:sad:

[Vagabondgirl]

Thanx:) I didnt really know that gemini had anything to do with surgery!

[Claire19]

I love psychology, and also studied it for like 2 years:)

But I dont think psychiatri really is the thing for me. Gynechology maybe sounds more right, or pediatrics as a 2nd alternative. I have the impression that Im quite good with my hands, like fine movement kind of artistic like. So maybe also some surgery? I assume gynechology has to do with surgery also.

So is mercury-pluto conjunction in scorpi sextile neptune in 8th house an indication of work with childbirth or embryology??? Im not sure what in medicine neptune represents....

Are there any other typical configurations/aspects for surgery? I dont think my mars is so strong in my chart, I think moon and venus are stronger. Or what do you think?
For instance Neptune by itself is representative of rehabilitation, hospitals, prisons, institutionalisation such as hospices, nursing homes. The aspects it makes elsewhere will tell the story. The 8th house is suggestive of psychology, dealing with life and death matters and research.

[Claire19]

Main degrees about medicine

20 cancer
22 leo
09 libra
23 libra
01 scorpio
14 scorpio
17 sagittarius
22 sagittarius
04 pisces
19 pisces
22 pisces
27 pisces

Secondary degrees about medicine
26 taurus
29 sagittarius
25 aquarius
10 pisces
I dont know where you got this information. Can you give a source?? It doesnt make sense to me.

[zaza]

Here is the chart of a famous French doctor, scientist, and medical researcher named Emile Baulieu. I think its interesting that he has his MC in Virgo (sign associated with doctors and medicine). He is well known for his medical contributions. Neptune (philanthropy, drugs) near the MC shows that he is also known for his philanthropic activities in medicine as well as for developing drugs including RU486. The Sun Venus conj. near the cusp of the 2nd house and positively aspecting Jupiter in the 3rd and Neptune at the MC shows that he has made substantial money. Uranus angular in the fourth and square to Sun and Venus sugests that his revolutionary approach, independence, and eccentricity could have cost him some money.
Mercury and Saturn in the first house show a sharp, diciplined mind.

http://i725.photobucket.com/albums/ww258/hecateblack/astro_2atw_01_emile_baulieu11769175.gif

[Vagabondgirl]

I see that he also has mercury in scorpio square jupiter like me:)

Virgo MC and Scorpio AC are representative for the medical field I think. Also his MC ruler is conjunct Saturn and Ive heard that saturn is prominent in charts of doctors usually. Mars in the 6th is also a good sign.

[StarSeed]

I am a veterinary surgeon.

I have Scorpio ASC with Mars in Scorpio rising.
Virgo MC.
Mercury (ruler of the 10th) in the 12th (I feel more comfortable workin in the background, radiology for example, than dealing directly with my clients (the owners, obviously!).

I have heard from some traditional astrology sources that Venus in the 9th gives a love for medicine and Venus in the 8th a love for surgery. I have Venus in the 9th indeed. My partner (a keen orthopaedic veterinary surgeon) has venus in the 8th.

[Claire19]

Thanks Memento Mori and Sag Moon for your replies.



http://www.astrotheme.fr/en/portrait.php?clef=ssXEL9h8d2Gf&info=true



http://www.astrotheme.fr/en/portrait.php?clef=VrC4qTQd3V65&info=true

Hope these are the charts.



This is a very interesting observation. I've saw many charts whit Mars in Aries and 10th house at the same time, even Scorpio in other charts. These combination didn't necesairy give surgeons. A surgeon must have a good heart and courage so he can save lifes, but needs to be cold during surgery. A strong Mars makes one hard to control himself, he needs to stay chill and patient during surgery, which usualy can take a long time. Mars is necesairy for surgeons, but needs more than that. This I agree. ( Note to say, I know someone who has Mars in Aries in 10th and she's afraid of blood, violence and stuff like that, but she studies laws and psychology, expecialy criminal psychology. )



I don't know about this combination. But Saturn can force someone when it comes to destiny ( and vocation ), it's the most less free-will planet. So Saturn in 6th and 12th can indicate that the native is always aware of health issues. He can either be sick, or someone close him to be sick. Saturn makes him to " If you cannot beat us, join us ", if health issues are a part of the native's life, this will be his motivation, he could become a physician, ( Look at Benjamin's Saturn ). This true either if Saturn is really strong in 6th/12th ( dignified, fixed stars, aspects and such ).

I'm not a medic, but I like to study medical astrology deeper and medicine. From what I know the planets except Mars can give:

Sun = Cardiology, Ophthalmology, Cardiac surgery,

Moon = Gastroenterology, Rheumatology, Palliative care, Psychiatry, Nutrition, Family Medicine, Genetics, General practice,

Mercury = Neurology, Veterinary medicine, Proctology, Pulmonology, Infectious disease, Nutrition, Pharmacology, Histology, Cytology, Hospital medicine, General practice, Radiology, Internal Medicine

Venus = Gynaecologists, Nephrology, Plastic surgery, Nutrition, Dermatology, Reproductive medicine, Vascular surgery, Hematology,

Mars = Emergency medicine, infectious disease, Surgery, general surgery, Maxillofacial Surgery, Orthopedic surgery, Otolaryngology, Sports medicine, Toxicology, Traumatology, Dentistry

Jupiter = Endocrinology, Forensic medicine, Keraunomedicine, Vascular surgery, Hematology, Acupuncture, Immunology, oncologic surgery,

Saturn = Dermatology, Geriatrics, Nephrology, Oncology, Osteopathic medicine, Rheumatology, Orthopedic surgery, Surgical oncology, Internal Medicine

Uranus = Radiology, Disaster medicine, Keraunomedicine, Alternativ Medicine, Traumatology, Emergency medicine, Internal Medicine

Neptune = Oncology, Psychiatry, Neurology, Anaesthetics, Forensic medicine, Neurophysiology, Surgical oncology, Immunology, Pharmacology , Neuroscience, Genetics, Dermatology, Plastic surgery, Hospital medicine,

Pluto = Infectious disease, Gynaecologists, Proctology, Forensic medicine, Otolaryngology, Genetics, Toxicology, Traumatology, Radiology, Sex Change Surgery, Forensic medicine, Gender-based medicine

If i'm wrong or forgot something. Don't hesitate to correct me. The best medicine astrologer, is the one who is also is a medic.
I recommend A T Mann's Astrology and Healing.

THe Sun belongs with back ailments, spine and heart. Perhaps gall bladder.

The Moon belongs with stomach, breast and womb.

Mercury belongs with digestion, general nutrition and hygiene. THe Gemini Mercury is lungs, shoulders, arms and hands.

Mars belongs with the brain, skull, ears, all general surgery. It is also connected to the function of blood.

Venus is the sugar function, kidneys, adrenals, with Libra and the Taurus Venus (for now) is the throat, chin, mouth, jaw.

Saturn is the skeletal system, knees in particular, bone ailments, dentistry.

Neptune is the immune system, infections, feet and pineal gland.

Pluto is all reproductive ailments, eliminative function and wide spreading viruses. It is connected to surgery in so far as it is transformative and life saving.

Uranus is radiology, radiography, x rays, calves and ankles, modern technologies used, nervous system along with Mercury.

Jupiter is connected to the blood, liver, thighs and hips. It is generally life affirming.

Saturn is karmic and connected to lessons needed and often feels imposed upon one. It is discipline and responsibility.

Of course the signs and aspects moderate all this.

The chief health houses are:

The 6th for diet, nutrition and hygiene.
The 12th for rehabilitation, hospitalisation, hospices and often where one may pass over.

THe first house gives body issues to an extent. THe sun is the general overall constitution and the Moon is where we may inherit conditions from family.

THis is a complex subject and needs to handled with care and accuracy.

[Claire19]

I am a veterinary surgeon.

I have Scorpio ASC with Mars in Scorpio rising.
Virgo MC.
Mercury (ruler of the 10th) in the 12th (I feel more comfortable workin in the background, radiology for example, than dealing directly with my clients (the owners, obviously!).

I have heard from some traditional astrology sources that Venus in the 9th gives a love for medicine and Venus in the 8th a love for surgery. I have Venus in the 9th indeed. My partner (a keen orthopaedic veterinary surgeon) has venus in the 8th.
I dont see the 9th as pertaining to medicine, the means to study it, yes. THe 9th deals with larger animals such as horses and large dogs etc. as being ruled by Jupiter so in that way I can see the veterinary connection along with the 6th house and Virgo which deals with the domestic and rather smaller animals. Originally Virgo had dominion over the animals that gave us everyday sustenance such as cows, goats, chickens. Since animals have become pets it is also the province of the 6th Virgo. If they are seen as really part of the family then the Moon and 4th house can be involved.

I dont see Venus in the 8th is a love of surgery necessarily. It is more that money is made from dealing with life and death issues such as surgery as a means of overcoming crisis such as being a psychologist or a medium. Of course these houses can be connected to medicine from other areas of the chart.

[Vagabondgirl]

I think virgo and scorpio signs have to do with medicine. Perhaps also capricorn or saturn? As many doctors have some saturn connections on AC-DC line or MC-IC line, or so they say.

[Claire19]

Ah, ok. I have gemini AC.

Mars is in virgo. But is it strong or not?? I see it has one square from Uranus (5 deg orb). Not so good? Think this aspect means accidents....
Squares give strength as they have to be adjusted to. Accidents are more likely with oppositions and perhaps conjunctions. I think you may have watch hasty actions and temper with the square perhaps.....:happy:

[PD187540]

This thread is AWESOME! So great!

I've just recently decided to pursue medical school. The idea has been in the back of my mind for years, but I never actively pursued it (mostly due to irrational fears). But now, my mind is totally focused on doing it.

In fact, my Saturn Return occurs next year in early November (right around the time I should be hearing back from the schools). Wouldn't it make sense that all this preparation will result in me getting admitted to med school? I think so...this is just a strong feeling I have. Regardless of what I get on the MCAT admissions test, I still must apply.

Anyways, I think my chart below is one of the best examples for a physician.

Strong 8th House emphasis (Sun, Mercury, Venus and Mars in 8th)
Mercury in Virgo
Saturn conjunct Pluto, both conjunct the MC in Scorpio
North Node in the 6th House, Neptune conjunct the South Node in 12th

My area of interest? Pathology...medical examiner. Makes total sense!


Also, the universe was sending me signs throughout my college years and afterwards that I should pursue medicine. When I was interning at a few hospitals for my pathology degree, staff members who I didn't know and patients would just come up to me and say "Dr.....". Also, when I was visiting my grandfather in the hospital recently, one of the physicians asked if I was a doctor. Apparently, I just give off the impression of physician without even saying a word! And I think that has a lot to do with my Rising Capricorn and its ruler Saturn in Scorpio on the MC. I'd bet my life's savings on it.

[yelena234]

Hello to all,

I have very long "practice" with doctors from all possible areas, because of searching cause for my neuralgia's (3) and unusual sinusitis (for very long time). Here are natal charts from some doctors, I have visited. Instead of their names I wrote, what kind of doctors are they (or were - one died 6 days before his 42th birthday).
I have seen that they have planets in 6th or 12th house. Most of doctors are born in Virgo sign.
One of six is surgeon: he has more planets in 8th house.

Natal Charts from Doctors for:

1. General practice
2. Neurology
3. Traditional medicine (he does acupuncture); he has studied three years in China and Sri Lanka (after Medical University)
4. Internist
5. Colonoscopy (it was terrible);
6. Surgery

B.

[yelena234]

There was no place for surgeon.

I have more of them, especially from Russian Chiropractics, but can't find their Astrodata's. They are all either Neurologists or Orthopaedists and do all kind of therapies.

Here is Natal Chart from Surgeon:

[PD187540]

What's absolutely fascinating about your post is that 5 out of 6 of those physician charts all have Capricorn-Cancer on the Ascendant/Descendant axis!!!! That's a startling find right there.

With the surgeon, his chart is so similar to mine! I'm also a Rising Capricorn, Moon in Aries in the 3rd House, Sun/Mercury/Mars in 8th (I also have Venus there), Part of Fortune in 7th. We share all those placements!

What's interesting is that he's a surgeon on living people. His ruling planet, Saturn is in the 4th House of home (conjunct his IC), in Taurus. My Saturn is in Scorpio conjunct Pluto and the MC....I would be dealing with death (as a pathologist...a surgeon of the dead).

This is so interesting!!!! I'm beginning my Master's degree in Pathology this May, but I know for sure that I have to go to medical school. It just has to happen. I don't care how much debt I'd get into. As long as I get loans, I don't care about the amount of debt at all.

So what I'll do is get my Master's, work for 2 years or so, and then attend a foreign med school in the Caribbean perhaps. As long as these conditions are met, I'm going: 1) No MCAT admissions requirement, 2) ability to take out private loans to cover all my expenses, and 3) ability to take the USMLE licensing exams to practice in the United States. As long as those 3 things are in place, I'm there!!

[sandstone]

before i even get to reading yelena234's post and past, i would like to back up and make a comment on a chart for Emile Baulieu that was discussed but had the chart data removed... here is a link to Emile Baulieu's chart for others to see what i am going to comment on..

also retinoid made a good comment on looking at the midheaven for profession which ties in with my comment.. his comment is this vocation thread if you look. in emile baulieus chart one will note the closest aspect to the midheaven is from the rising saturn..
http://www.astro.com/cgi/chart.cgi?wgid=wgeJwtTkkKwzAQe01vU7CdpJuZS-nygB56HidDYhK7xQshv68TinQQQkia7WhR6d4hSe07vFKeLGe4 OzsxOJBq41kdQNSXSsAgZuhzBAGvFCiaTw49PAL5luHIdQP1yV cN5BIo0NQZT45x69sp8e9f_Y4So1TFvHHLznAocl3SJi3fcsql ASnNeogL7qUOEeX7-QMDEDcj

aside from the obvious connection of mars to surgery, the sign scorpio and the planet pluto may have some bearing on surgery as well, as i see it..

the french couple - michel and francious gauguelin did a huge research into the validity of astrology and found a close connection with saturn near the angles and doctors... you might be able to find info on this on the net somewhere...

PD187540 (http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/member.php?u=12430)'s post upstream has a chart in it and you will note the very close saturn to midheaven conjunction that dominates the chart..

i would be looking for some strong saturn placement in connection with the midheaven or ascendant or on an angle for part of the astro signature for physicians.. although the 10th house is typically examined for a persons profession, i have found the ascendant and any planet in close conect with it can also be an important consideration...

in the last post from yelena234, the chart has saturn as the planet closest to an angle - opp the midheaven.. in the other charts of yelena mars seems to show up slightly more, with the other observation already made of cap or cancer rising in a number of the charts...scorpio seems to show up as well in my quick glance of the charts...

anyone interested in this might enjoy getting the info from the gauquelin couple from the 70s or thereabouts... they compiled 1000's of charts to draw conclusions on profession.. doctors were one of the ones they looked at closely... as i recall saturn was the planet most noted...

[bubuza_dulce]

Taurus 2nd house cusp...is also connected with bodily comforts, material goods, and things of the earth. ... interest in the human body and meeting basic human needs could lead to a career in medicine, the social services, physical fitness, massage, culinary arts, or similar pursuits

moon in pisces could lead to career in nursing, counseling, social work, teaching, medicine, anthropology, psychology, psychiatry, psychotherapy, criminology, public relations, acupuncture, healing, charitable work, or anything that seeks to uplift the human spirit or assist those who are disadvantaged or confined to institutions (hospitals, nursing homes, prisons, etc.).

EDIT: Planets in general in 6th tend to be indiactive

among others Jupiter in 6th: A sixth house Jupiter often shows an interest in health, diet, hygiene, and therapeutics, as well as an ability to deal with methodical or meticulous work. might choose an occupation in health care such as a nurse, physician, surgeon, dentist, chiropractor, acupuncturist, psychiatrist, psychologist, therapist, social worker, or counselor.

Jupiter square Neptune . though im not quite sure about that



Interesting! I have those placements (I didn't know about the Jupiter square Neptune part, I don't know why it helps)
I'm a plastic surgery resident but quite conflicted about it! I wanted to choose psychiatry for a long time but I changed my mind and I'm not even sure I made the right choice. Does anybody know if surgery seems "right" enough for me? The reason why I feel conflicted is because I'm very sensitive and I do this out of pure will but sometimes I feel I could do more with my sensitivity to help people than keep it under control. The reason I like it is because it is actually pretty far from how I normally am and it is a fantastic challenge! But I don't know if I did the right thing choosing a profession that challenges me when I could have chosen one that would just have been easy for me!

[sandstone]

bubuza_dulce

mars is on an angle in your chart and is also your ascendant ruler... it would make sense on one level, but i think your moon in pisces is asking for something different.. moon is opposite saturn and to a lesser extent jupiter both in virgo.. saturn is the 10th house ruler.. perhaps this catches some of the conflict in you.. you can still use the sensitivity no matter which direction you go in..

on some level i think you like the challenge.. maybe you would get it in another area which is more in line with your emotional side, but they would be a different type of challenge.. i think physical challenge is a good thing for you.. maybe someone else will offer you some feedback..

[bubuza_dulce]

Thank you sandstone! I suppose that with all the stressful aspects (grand cross and the rest) I could get conflicted no matter what I do! Maybe it's not the profession's fault but my own, I carry the restlessness wherever I go.

[sandstone]

i think that is true! plastic surgery sounds like a libra type thing too..with mars in libra ruler of your ascendant it makes sense... i don't know that much about surgery, but isn't plastic surgery primarily to improve looks? that is a libra/venus thing as i see it...

i think grand crosses are ultimately a good thing.. people who have them are more motivated as i see it.. also, your mars/sun are not a part of that but your moon is which is why you may fluctuate more over whether you are going in the right direction or not.. hard to know with astrology really, in spite of what astrologers like to imply! cheers -

[bubuza_dulce]

Yes, it is about looks. And as I understand Pisces is also about "image" so maybe it's not really a conflict. Cheers!

[dr. farr]

I am a doctor of medical science in homeopathy (legitimate title and degree here in California) and have practiced professional homeo-therapeutics since the early 1980's in the Los Angeles CA area.
In my natal I have:
-ascending sign Virgo, which posits both Saturn and Mars (so we find an angular Saturn here, in the 1st house)
-Sun and Mercury both in Taurus, in the 9th house (Mercury dispositor of the 10th house sign, Gemini)
-Uranus (highest elevation in my chart) in the 11th (in Cancer), and Neptune (in Libra) in the 2nd, probably account for the unusual/unorthodox approach to healing (ie, homeopathy, aided by astro-therapeutics!) I chose and followed
-Jupiter (and Moon) are in Pisces in the 7th house

[sandstone]

http://www.planetos.info/mmf.html

this link shows a graph in connection with profession and planets on angles 3/4 way down.. mars and saturn are the 2 planets most closely connected to doctors..

dr farr - your planets mars and saturn fall in the gauguelin sectors as i understand them.. you are probably familiar with the gauguelin research so this is for the other folks here who might find it informative...

[bubuza_dulce]

According to Gauquelin sector chart, is Venus my strongest and Jupiter stronger than Mars though Mars is closest to the angle? I'm not sure how to read this chart. The Moon seems to have a very small effect on the profession.

[sandstone]

that is a good question that i can't answer with full confidence bubuza_dolce..

that is cool you can generate the chart like that... as i understood the gauquelin approach, planets in the area near the angles but generally in a cadent position to them 12, 9, 6 and 3 - were the basis for the conclusions.. they were largely based on those who were eminent in the profession as well.. birth data is available for a small price in france at the time they first did their work back in the 60's... they did the work using statistical analysis criteria and presented it to some euro science commitee that told them it must be ******* because they had only used data from france... they then spent the next 10-? approx years collecting birth data that was harder to get from countries like italy, germany and etc...

with your chart, you could say moon, saturn and venus are all slightly past the angles and possibly neptune too, lol...mars continues to sit the closest to the angle.. as i recall - and this conforms with my understanding of astrology - planets in the vicinity of the ascendant and midheaven are always considered more significant then if near the descendant and ic point - opp midheaven... on the basis of this, if we leave mars out of it - moon would come out on top... on the other hand mars gets top spot based on being the closest planet to an angle and as mentioned it is the ruler of your ascendant...

btw the restlessness is a mutable grand cross feature... i think when you throw the mars on an angle with the fire rising sign and sun it feeds it a bit more... the moon in water is the one spot of possible tranquility except it is caught in the grand t.. i am not sure that is all that bad though, and i think the opposition to saturn is possibly helpful, although you might not hear that from others...i have high regard for saturn in virgo and think it is a great placement to have.. dr farr also has this position along with moon in pisces as well! perhaps dr. farr would like to comment on your chart!!!

[yelena234]

What's absolutely fascinating about your post is that 5 out of 6 of those physician charts all have Capricorn-Cancer on the Ascendant/Descendant axis!!!! That's a startling find right there.
With the surgeon, his chart is so similar to mine! I'm also a Rising Capricorn, Moon in Aries in the 3rd House, Sun/Mercury/Mars in 8th (I also have Venus there), Part of Fortune in 7th. We share all those placements!
What's interesting is that he's a surgeon on living people. His ruling planet, Saturn is in the 4th House of home (conjunct his IC), in Taurus. My Saturn is in Scorpio conjunct Pluto and the MC....I would be dealing with death (as a pathologist...a surgeon of the dead).
This is so interesting!!!! I'm beginning my Master's degree in Pathology this May, but I know for sure that I have to go to medical school. It just has to happen. I don't care how much debt I'd get into. As long as I get loans, I don't care about the amount of debt at all.
So what I'll do is get my Master's, work for 2 years or so, and then attend a foreign med school in the Caribbean perhaps. As long as these conditions are met, I'm going: 1) No MCAT admissions requirement, 2) ability to take out private loans to cover all my expenses, and 3) ability to take the USMLE licensing exams to practice in the United States. As long as those 3 things are in place, I'm there!!
Hi,

I wish you good luck with your study for Pathologist.
That is the last, I would ever do. I can't look death people; I can't look even blood or very sick people.
I study death in Medical Astrology (when people are dead already), but not before (ruler of my ASC is Venus in 8th house).

B.

[yelena234]

Here is Natal Chart from Doctor Anesthesiologist. She works in Pain Centre and gives injections (blockades) before and after surgery. She has nothing in 6th or 12th house, but has Chiron in 8th house. I think that she is going to have private practice.

I see that many doctors have something from Scorpio (Sun, ASC or some planet there).

B.

p.s. I am not sure if the name is the right for that kind of doctor.



Her Natal Chart:

[yelena234]

Something about this doctor for Traditional Medicine: I had therapy with acupuncture in his private practice. He told me that he couldn't work in some Hospital, where people die. He doesn't like to look the blood, either.

Doctors are also different (the same area): some are very good diagnostics; some need opinion from other doctors (specialists) knowing right diagnosis.
In my Book for Medical Astrology: good diagnostics are people (not only doctors) who have good aspects between planets in 6th and 10th. I have trine between Mercury in 6th and Pluto in 10th. Watching some people's Natal Charts I go direct to the health houses and tell them, what health problems they have or will have (they say, how come I know that?).

B.

[Vagabondgirl]

Something about this doctor for Traditional Medicine: I had therapy with acupuncture in his private practice. He told me that he couldn't work in some Hospital, where people die. He doesn't like to look the blood, either.

Doctors are also different (the same area): some are very good diagnostics; some need opinion from other doctors (specialists) knowing right diagnosis.
In my Book for Medical Astrology: good diagnostics are people (not only doctors) who have good aspects between planets in 6th and 10th. I have trine between Mercury in 6th and Pluto in 10th. Watching some people's Natal Charts I go direct to the health houses and tell them, what health problems they have or will have (they say, how come I know that?).

B.

Interesting! I have MC in capricorn trine my virgo mars:) Also having mercury conj. pluto in scorpio 6th house gives some kind of "detective" mind, which is related to health issues in my case I guess. I just dont know yet what kind of medical specialization I should do....

[sandstone]

Here is Natal Chart from Doctor Anesthesiologist. She works in Pain Centre and gives injections (blockades) before and after surgery. She has nothing in 6th or 12th house, but has Chiron in 8th house. I think that she is going to have private practice.

I see that many doctors have something from Scorpio (Sun, ASC or some planet there).

B.

p.s. I am not sure if the name is the right for that kind of doctor.



Her Natal Chart:

saturn is in a 3 1/2 degree conjunction to midheaven and is the strongest planet in the chart based on the angles..... i agree about scorpio showing up more frequently too...

[Vagabondgirl]

How to tell what is the "highest" planet in the horoscope? And if you dont have anythig at the angles?

[sandstone]

v-b-g,

take a look at the chart that yelena234 posted this morning.. note where is says AC - ascendant axis and MC - midheaven axis on the chart.. those reference the important angles of the chart.. the midheaven is a sensitive point that describes where the ecliptic crosses the zenith at the time of birth.. the ascendant is where the ecliptic crosses the horizon - essentially where the sun would be rising if the chart was done for sunrise.. the point opposite this is the descendant - where the sun would be setting at sunset..

these 2 axis are the angles of the chart.. note in the chart how the planet saturn which has a symbol for it of a cross on top of a cresent - is conjunct or very close to the MC - midheaven..

if you don't have a planet on an angle, you may have midpoints that land on these angles thru a blend of a few planets.. midpoints are more difficult to see at a glance looking at a 360 wheel.. you may also have a planet making a hard aspect to any of these angles which is a similar dynamic.. post your chart and i will comment if you are wondering and hopefully this helps..

[Vagabondgirl]

Ok. So its only AC and MC that matter? Not DC or IC?? I have saturn near the 7th house only.... I posted my chart both placidius and equal chart on the first page. Could you take a look at it there? Thank you very much!

[sandstone]

v-b-g

the axis which is like a line drawn across the chart is what matters.. ac/dc and mc/ic define the axis - or angles.. traditionally the ac and mc are considered the more significant, but often times one will look at a chart that has the focus to one side of the chart emphasizing the dc or ic more then the ac or mc.. saturn is in a 6 degree conjunction to the descendant - dc in your chart.. it is arguably the closest planet to your 'angles'. saturn is also about 2 degrees off the midpoint of your sun/moon at 9 libra 08. that is saturn at 26 scorpio 00 - 45 + 2 - semisquare aspect to the direct midpoint.. the sun/moon midpoint is an important midpoint for understanding the chart better as well.. the close mercury pluto conj in your chart is good for analytical detail work..

i don't know what direction you are going in regarding the medical profession but the close venus/moon conj in virgo is also helpful for a number of areas of the medical profession as i see it.. bottom line - saturn is the planet closest to an angle in your chart using only this as a barometer for going into the profession under discussion..

edit - another interesting part to your chart is the sun/neptune midpoint points directly to saturn.. the MWA puts this sun/neptune midpoint as the most significant with 13 hits based on my astro computer settings.. midpoint weighing analysis is what mwa stands for.. and on another note it is interesting to see chiron as the sole planetary body on the eastern side of your chart rising as well..

[Vagabondgirl]

Thank you for this analysis Sandstone:) I dont yet know so much about the midpoints and their meanings.

Found this link about midpoints:
http://cafeastrology.com/samplemidpointweightinganalysisreport.html

And when you speak about Sun/Neptune being on Saturn... On this webpage it gives a description about this one:

"Sun/Nep: Working any inner inspirations into outer realistic manifestations"

Made me think about a dream that "inspired" me into studying to become a doctor. I was studying nursing at the time and working part time in the hospital. Then a half year into the studies I had a dream about being at work in the hospital as a nurse and suddenly all the other nurses turned to me for advice about a patient and asked me what to do... Then I said something like: how should I know?? And they said: But you are the doctor. I woke up really suprised.... But kind of made me realize that I should become a doctor instead, a very strong feeling too!

I really have strange dreams sometimes. Think maybe mercury/pluto sextile neptune, moon square neptune and neptune in the 8th has something to do with it.

[sandstone]

you're welcome vagabondgirl. it is just a simple read off the chart with me looking at some stuff..

i like the link that you looked at.. it gets a review of michael munkaseys mwa in his own words. sun/neptune and mercury/pluto are 2 of the top few hundred midpoints one can get using your chart.. i can't remember how many you can get, but it is more then 100 at any rate..it depends on whether you include chiron, and numerous different points like that..

that is quite a poignant dream! thanks for sharing that.. neptune does have a close association with dreams and it is the most focal planet in your chart according to that same mwa system of munkaseys.. there are many ways to look at a chart, but if you are interested you can get a chart off astro.com that shows the first 10 harmonic charts for any chart.. if you look at your 5th harmonic you will see a close sun/neptune conj in the chart.. the distance of 72 degrees is 1/5th of the circle and this is the distance that separates sun to neptune in your chart.. 36 is 1/2 again of 72 and this is where saturn is in relation to both sun and neptune.. it shows up as the opposition from the sun/neptune in the 5th harmonic, along with jupiter which is also 36 from neptune, and therefore about 72 from saturn.. 5th harmonic implies a certain talent when the planets are connected in this harmonic..aside from all else, dreaming might be one of yours, lol...

i think that looking at a chart can be quite analytical, aside from intuitive and etc.. you can overlook something and think you have it until you look another way and see something else that might also feed into ones perspective on any chart.. in this regard doing astrology can be tricky and not as simple, or cut and dry as it might look.. i enjoy looking at as much as possible! thanks for sharing.

[Vagabondgirl]

But how to determine which of these midpoints have more value? I also see that Jupiter/Neptune midpoint at 19 deg. Capricorn is close to my MC at 17 degrees. I actually read somewhere that this was a typical aspect for Catholic popes:biggrin: Yeah right!

Also Moon/Jupiter is conj. the DC and so is Venus/Jupiter...Didnt find any meanings for this one, just that its a marriage indicator in progressive astrology...Been there done that!

[sandstone]

vbg- that is what the mwa does.. if you have a good astro software program - i have solar fire 7.3. - it comes with the program.. just using your eye will lead you astray, as there are too many calculations that go into arriving at the conclusions the mwa comes to...

that said, i like to look at midpoints without immediately going to see what the mwa says.. i work off a 45 degree dial and note midpoint pictures much more quickly then i could if i was just looking in the 360... and, then i will go back and take a quick glance and see something and check it on the 45.. after that i might go see what the mwa says.. if i see something already that is highlighted in the mwa, then it stands out more.. i can't remember what i articulated to you in the first post to you, but it was before i looked at the mwa.. i think i looked after the next post from you.. i was able to do this with your chart as you provided the info.. often when i look at the chart, some of the needed data is missing to help me look at a chart more closely.. privacy concerns, i suppose.. speaking of which - bergen is a beautiful city.. i was there about 35 years ago.. got off a plane and hitch hiked around norway and down into sweden and on.. where i live are beautiful mountains too!

yes - mo/ju = as - that is short hand for moon/jupiter = ascendant.. ascendant/descendant mean the same thing if you really get into midpoint pictures.. descendant is obviously different, but the mo/ju hits directly onto the axis which implies a more social nature, discounting moon in virgo which is a bit more reserved.. then you would add in the houses too to get more of a flavour.. at any rate that midpoint pic is listed # 14 out of the top 35 for your chart.. btw - that mercury/pluto conjunction in scorpio in your chart, i knew i wasn't going to get away with anything!

[dr. farr]

How to tell what is the "highest" planet in the horoscope? And if you dont have anythig at the angles?

In your posted chart, Jupiter is the most elevated planet.

As Sandstone has so expertly shown in his posts in this thread, midpoints are a very valuable analytical tool-books like Ebertin's "Combination of Stellar Influences" and Witte's "Rules for Planetary Pictures" indicate the meanings, but a valuable guidebook for using the dials (special instruments for finding midpoints)-in this instance, the 90 degree dial-is "Dial Detective" by Simms (all of these books are available from astroamerica.com; the website also has 90 degree dials available)

[Claire19]

I'm trieng to research what astrological indicators points towards physicians, medical doctors, healers, surgeons.

Can't find any physician whit a natal chart.

Christiaan Barnard Heart surgeon. indicators.

Sun in Scorpio 6th ruler Pluto.
Pisces on the MC with Neptune ruler in Leo..
.Uranus on the MC trining Sun for innovative and experimental surgery sextiling Venus in the 7th of consultations..
.Sun trine Pluto and Moon in Cancer in the 2nd house of monies earned and talents employed. WOrked with family i.e. son....

Every person will be different but for surgery Mars is prominent. Neptune for healing, hospitals and rehab. Pluto for major transformations and life and death issues...THe Sun also prominent and any and all of the planets mentioned connected to the 6th, 10th and sometimes the 2nd. Scorpio, Pisces, Aries.....

...

[Vagabondgirl]

So does the most elevated planet have anything to do with carreer? Thought it was more the MC. My jupiter is the ruler of my DC in sagittarius... My partner has his MC conjunct my jupiter closely though, so more related to his carreer perhaps?:biggrin:

I have an astrology program called Janus 4.1. I did this midpoint tree thing. Is this the one your are speaking about Sandstone? When I did it some of the planets get a red d letter behind them. Are these the more important "weighted" ones?

I found these ones with the d behind:
Mercury = Mars/Uranus (auch!)
Venus = Moon/Mars
Venus = Asc/Mc
Jupiter = Mercury/North node
Jupiter = Pluto/North node
Saturn = Mercury/Uranus
Saturn = Uranus/pluto
Saturn = Sun/Neptune
Uranus = Sun/Jupiter
Uranus = Saturn/Neptune

and so on....

Are these the right ones?

[PersephoneAbducted]

Hmmm... I notice a lot of Taurus/ 2nd house activity in the sample charts people are posting. I wonder if that might be another indicator. It would make sense, I guess, with the Taurus/ 2h focus on the body and its physical comfort.

[Frank]

Tonight or tomorrow I'll check AstroDatabank to see if there is a large enough sample of physicians, and if so, I'll run some tests.

[Vagabondgirl]

I was looking inside this "The combination of stellar influences" and found that Mars/Uranus is the midpoint for the Surgery or "operation axis". Are these supposed to be prominent in surgeons?

[sandstone]

So does the most elevated planet have anything to do with carreer? sometimes it can Thought it was more the MC. correct My jupiter is the ruler of my DC in sagittarius... My partner has his MC conjunct my jupiter closely though, so more related to his carreer perhaps?:biggrin: more related to a close friendship perhaps, or that you are in an important relationship with him..

I have an astrology program called Janus 4.1. I did this midpoint tree thing. Is this the one your are speaking about Sandstone? no, but they are some of the many midpoints to your chart. what i was looking at was the MWA more, which is discussed in one of those links you provided. When I did it some of the planets get a red d letter behind them. Are these the more important "weighted" ones? don't know what the janus program is trying to tell you with the red d.. perhaps they have a help section.. the midpoint weighing analysis is a computer program built onto or into the solar fire program that is the work of michael munkasey..

I found these ones with the d behind:
Mercury = Mars/Uranus (auch!)
Venus = Moon/Mars
Venus = Asc/Mc
Jupiter = Mercury/North node
Jupiter = Pluto/North node
Saturn = Mercury/Uranus
Saturn = Uranus/pluto
Saturn = Sun/Neptune - this one is given the highest rating thru the mwa
Uranus = Sun/Jupiter
Uranus = Saturn/Neptune

and so on....

Are these the right ones?

a midpoint tree lists planets that have midpoints directed connected to them.. it is different then using the mwa which tells you which ones are most significant to your chart..

[Del]

I am a surgeon ( K in the attached synastry chart)
In general , Surgeons are egotistical, chauvinistic, conservative, pedantic, hard working, dedicated and detail oriented.
I am not at all a typical surgeon. I could not imagine any of my colleagues posting on an astrology blog.
Any comments about my chart would be appreciated.

Keith

[Vagabondgirl]

Its better if you post your natal chart. This is a synastry/partner chart:smile:

[sandstone]

del,

thanks for chiming in and volunteering your chart as well, although it will be hard for others to decipher it in the format you have shared it... it does have your data on it though, so i did the chart on my computer to take a closer look..

it is interesting what you say about doctors being egotistical.. my thinking on this is probably some are and some aren't.. the few that i have known directly, i have nothing but the up-most respect for them as people.. a good friend - neuro surgeon passed away this past fall at the age of 89.. he practiced up til he was 70.. he loved what he did.. he was my neighbour for many years and we became good friends - share the same birthdate - march 29th, but different year..

your chart doesn't have an immediate connection to saturn thru the angles... you have to look at the midpoints to see for example sun/moon = saturn, or saturn/neptune = midheaven direct.. you do have a close mars/pluto connection though which is associated with doing surgery.. it is the closest aspect to your chart, slightly tighter then the mercury/jupiter opposition which is good for throwing opinions around among other things..

what type of doctor work do you do? thanks for sharing..

[Frank]

Unfortunately, I was unable to get AstroDatabank to load today and other commitments have kept me from figuring out why. I'll try again later in the week.

[yelena234]

Michel Gauguelin had lots of astrodatas from all possible people.
Here are also Medical Doctors.


http://cura.free.fr/gauq/17archg.html -

[sandstone]

thanks yelena,

i note much of the data is rounded off to the hour or 1/2 hour.. maybe frank can put the data to good use..

thanks frank,

i am looking forward to any insights you have to offer..

[Vagabondgirl]

Does anyone know what might indicate a pediatric speciality? I was told that I should do this one by a teacher of mine. But not sure what to choose later on. Its really hard to decide!

[sandstone]

pediatrics is working with chidren right? 5th house is about children and this is where you sun is located... other house methods would put venus/moon/mars in the 5th as well - koch and porphyry for example... i was thinking with your moon/venus conjunction working with birth - infants would be a good fit.

[Vagabondgirl]

pediatrics is working with chidren right? 5th house is about children and this is where you sun is located... other house methods would put venus/moon/mars in the 5th as well - koch and porphyry for example... i was thinking with your moon/venus conjunction working with birth - infants would be a good fit.

Yes, a pediatrician works with children. Do you use placidius or the equal house thing? Im more used to the unequal houses (placidius) where my chart has a HUGE 6th and 12th house...

I was thinking about obstetrics earlier, and thought it looked good with my mercury/pluto conjunction. But I dont think Im up for that anymore.

My placidius 5th house is in leo, and the sun is in the 6th in libra. Sun is square IC/MC and Sun sextile Uranus in the 7th.

Think moon and venus is in my 5th in the current relocation chart also, where Im studying right now!

[sandstone]

the house systems will change the placements.. i like whole sign houses, which are similar to equal houses which i used to use... actually i do a variant of the 2... either way your sun is in the 5th sign from gemini and i see it in the 5th... since you are born in a northern region house systems like placidus which has been very popular up til recently does put everything in your 6th..

i would ignore all this and consider some of the parts of your chart that might be highlighting a certain direction - sun being an obvious consideration and in the 5th in many regards... the other focal points moon/venus and mercury/pluto conjunctions also paint a picture.. what do they highlight and what would be the best area to go into having these relatively close conjunctions in your chart? mercury also has an association with children and moon has a connection to the first few years of life... i think you are heading in the right zone thinking of working with children... i am not sure about obstetrics, but this might also be part of the direction you want to go in... mercury is ruler of gemini ascendant and in this close conj to pluto would strengthen your analytical and investigative abilities considerably.. it might mean you want to use these features of your chart in an area that requires them to be strong... the moon/venus conj favours having to interact with others - pregnant moms for example, or just more generally..

[Claire19]

I will be graduating medical school in July. I am a naturopathic medical student.


Medical indications in my chart

I am posting my Chart. I have chiron in 6th house and pOF in house 6. (chiron, wounded healer, POF in house 6 money made from medicine). I also have mars on house 6, mars is in house 2 squaring pluto.
I also have Saturn conjunct moon, which gives me a cool head in emergencies.
Stellium mars, merc. sun in house 2, squaring pluto (regeneration, surgery, suffering)

I also have pluto sextile moon in house 9-helping to overcome suffering in others.

Pallas is in house 11-don't know how that relates.

Saturn and moon in leo-I am interested in pediatrics

Venus in pisces-empathy for those who are suffering.

I have also heard that Jupiter relates to doctors also. I have jupiter in taurus in house 7.
Jupiter is life affirming and I think the Taurus in the 7th indicates consultations with the natural therapies that belong with plants etc that Taurus rules.. You would probably do well with massage.
Chiron in the 6th is probably a strong indicator but really I see that chiropracty would probably be something you could consider. But Venus in Pisces and Neptune on the 2nd house cusp of monies earned for talents used is probably enough, certainly for empathy with your clients.

I have a 6th house stellium with Neptune ruling my chart and I am flower essence practitioner and nutritionist..My second house ruler Mars is conjunct Neptune as well....My main interest however is astrology which I use in conjunction.....

[Claire19]

Hmmm... I notice a lot of Taurus/ 2nd house activity in the sample charts people are posting. I wonder if that might be another indicator. It would make sense, I guess, with the Taurus/ 2h focus on the body and its physical comfort.
I think Taurus on the 2nd cusp and Venus ruling would indicate massage and perhaps natural therapies.....Depends where Venus is of course.
But the 2nd house is only a support to the 6th and/or 10th of work and career..

[yelena234]

Here is Natal Chart from a "special" French Doctor, who was also serial killer. As I see, he didn't study medicine for very long time.


Biography about Dr. Petiot:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marcel_Petiot -

Natal Chart from Dr. Marcel Petiot:

[yelena234]

Claire19,

About one year ago I have found by Astrodatabank people with different diseases. If I find that again, maybe I will find Natal Charts from doctors.

B.

[Shanti]

I am a surgeon ( K in the attached synastry chart)
In general , Surgeons are egotistical, chauvinistic, conservative, pedantic, hard working, dedicated and detail oriented.
I am not at all a typical surgeon. I could not imagine any of my colleagues posting on an astrology blog.
Any comments about my chart would be appreciated.

Keith

Hi Keith

According to vedic astrology you have a chart very fitting for surgery.
You have mars in 10th house. There is a stationary mercury(very strong).
Mercury is placed in the lunar mansion (nakshatra) of shatabisha
Shatabisha is one of the major healing nakshatras in vedic astrology it's sanskrit name means literary " 100 physicians".

You also have an exalted moon in ascendent in THE lunar mansion related to surgery "Krittika". Krittika's symbol is 'The blade of a razor' :happy:

There is some similarities with your chart in that respect with the groundbreaking surgeon Christiaan Barnard which Claire mentioned.
He have his Ascendent in"krittika" , and also have in his 10th house MC and Uranus in shatabisha ( 100 physicians).


My teacher learned me that it is good for doctors and certified specialists of any kind to have a prominent Jupiter for being the knowledgeable expert.
Your jupiter is related to 10th house with the near exact opposition to this stationary mercury in 10th house.

Best regards

[sandstone]

yelena,

thanks for sharing dr. petiot's chart and wikipedia page on him... shocking and fascinating story to it all.. riveting actually...

mars is stationary in his chart which gives it a dominance to the chart.. it is the ruler of the rising sign and it is in a very close conjunction to pluto - again the mars/pluto signature shows up in a 'doctor' which also happens to show up in the charts of murders more frequently as well.. in petoits chart the mars/pluto squares onto his venus with jupiter/midheaven a few degrees away... his natal sun is 135 the mars pluto more exact... the chart is heavily emphasized around this mars stationary basically...

taking this cluster as a focal point to his chart and trying to include the moon into it, one notes many of the midpoint pictures that include the moon with sun, pluto, mars and venus all point to mercury..

it is a gruesome story with a chart that is very deceptive on the surface having both venus and jupiter right on the midheaven axis... it is also a nocturnal chart which puts greater emphasis on the nocturnal planets - moon/venus and mars.... saturn rising in a nocturnal chart is considered bad going on planetary sect teaching... that would appear to be another part of the dynamic at work here...

one thing i found interesting is the early age the person was exposed to war - world war 1... this kid would have been exposed to some bad **** prior to age 20 and one wonders about exposing someone to the atrocity of war at such a young age is all that healthy.. it certainly doesn't help..

[sandstone]

shanti - check out dr. petoits chart with jupiter conjunct midheaven and try to get your head around his chart...

[Shanti]

I will cast an eye on it later..

[sandstone]

one other minor point on dr petoits chart.. mercury turned retro a few days before his birthdate and it is still sort of stationary moving into a retro phase which might also have some bearing on the planets in gemini - mars/pluto and neptune...

an interesting consideration is how gemini is the 8th sign to scorpio... having the ruler of the ascendant - mars - in the 8th house, a house traditionally associated with death - suggests that much of this persons life was caught up in death, but in a way that is less designed to be of help such as a doctor would be more focused on - then on the way a murderer might be more focused on... much more to comment on in this chart...

[Shanti]

Boy what a doctor indeed ! Killing with one hand healing with other...

Yes stationary Mars conjunct Pluto in 8th house as focal point of a Tsquare. As intense and potential violent as it can be in a disturbed mind.
The lower side of scorpio/8th house obsessions and power expressed in twisted and extreme ways.
The jupiter factor with mars pluto give sucess in the crime that made the whole thing going on as long as it could.

As for the medical theme
--- the vedic asc ruler in the nakshatra of 'Shatabisha' (100 physicians), turning up again in this chart as in the two other physicians charts I looked at in my other post.
---MC=SA/NE midpoint which is the saturnus and neptunus which when combined form the sickness axis (ebertin) which expressed in profession (mc).
---Ketu (south node) in 10th is a factor which can be into healing. (Yes in vedic south node is a healer).
--- Jupiter (6th lord) conjunct MC gives professional status as the knowledgeable expert, consultor, as a doctor is.

As for mental illness
(In the vedic chart mercury(mind) is quite affliced in the 4th house(emotional stuff). Moon is hemmed between mars and ketu)

In western mercury is focal planet of a yod which can give some mental vacillation tendency perhaps.

Interesting chart....

[Claire19]

Thanx:) I didnt really know that gemini had anything to do with surgery!
Mercury as the ruler of hands and fingers and our dexterity so if it is well aspected it can be good for surgery such as connected to Mars and Pluto. Gemini as the sign as such doesnt show much indication except for the study.

[yelena234]

yelena,
thanks for sharing dr. petiot's chart and wikipedia page on him... shocking and fascinating story to it all.. riveting actually...
mars is stationary in his chart which gives it a dominance to the chart.. it is the ruler of the rising sign and it is in a very close conjunction to pluto - again the mars/pluto signature shows up in a 'doctor' which also happens to show up in the charts of murders more frequently as well.. in petoits chart the mars/pluto squares onto his venus with jupiter/midheaven a few degrees away... his natal sun is 135 the mars pluto more exact... the chart is heavily emphasized around this mars stationary basically...
taking this cluster as a focal point to his chart and trying to include the moon into it, one notes many of the midpoint pictures that include the moon with sun, pluto, mars and venus all point to mercury..
it is a gruesome story with a chart that is very deceptive on the surface having both venus and jupiter right on the midheaven axis... it is also a nocturnal chart which puts greater emphasis on the nocturnal planets - moon/venus and mars.... saturn rising in a nocturnal chart is considered bad going on planetary sect teaching... that would appear to be another part of the dynamic at work here...
one thing i found interesting is the early age the person was exposed to war - world war 1... this kid would have been exposed to some bad **** prior to age 20 and one wonders about exposing someone to the atrocity of war at such a young age is all that healthy.. it certainly doesn't help..
sandstone,

That was really good explanation. Thank you.

If we look only his ASC with Uranus and Saturn in the 1st house, we can imagine, how violent he was. Ruler Pluto (modern ruler, shows his personality, too.)

Funny is here that my favourite people have ASC in Scorpio, but they are not killers.

Here is one of his photos. He was handsome man (and cruel).

[Vagabondgirl]

Mercury as the ruler of hands and fingers and our dexterity so if it is well aspected it can be good for surgery such as connected to Mars and Pluto. Gemini as the sign as such doesnt show much indication except for the study.

Yes, I understand that mercury conjunct pluto in the 6th might have something to do with surgery among other things... Im quite good at these things that require concentration and accuracy, like some kind of videogames, parking a car backwards, the laprascopy game we had at school, the things in general that require fine, small movements. But because it seems so hard to be a surgeon and I would like to have a normal family life, I think I will choose something else than surgergy :)