The Metaphysical Corner

[Lapis]

Because some of us have a tendency occasionally to stroll off into other subjects outside of Astrology, I thought it's time to have a place where we can talk about all things Metaphysical. Anything and everything, and not worry about totally high-jacking any more astrology only threads! :wink:

Here's some possible topics just to get this rolling -

* Ascension Symptoms in general
* The "Veil" is nearly gone!
* Past Lives & Reincarnation
* ETs, Star Beings, and other nonphysical higher dimensional Beings
* 2012
* Mayan Calendar
* Indigos, Crystals, Shumbra, Wanderers etc.
* Dreams or the other half of our Lives While Asleep
* Psychic abilities & how they work
* Telepathy with nonphysicals
* Ancient Civilizations like Lemuria, Atlantis, Egypt, ???

There's so many things we could talk about. Is there a particular subject that you'd like to discuss? Or questions and answers about something in particular? This is the place to do it. Let's have fun and learn while we're at it!

[Arian Maverick]

Because some of us have a tendency occasionally to stroll off into other subjects outside of Astrology, I thought it's time to have a place where we can talk about all things Metaphysical.

I know I'm definately included in that group...never expect an Aquarius Rising native to stay on topic :roll:

I'm confused now...what should we do about the Past Life Chat in the other board? Is there any way to move all of the off-topic ramblings (mainly mine) over here? Should I do it manually, risking the possibility of upsetting the flow of that discussion and confusing newcomers to that thread?

EDIT: I have created Astrological Influences That May Indicate Past Lives (http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=894), a new thread that can be found in the Karmic Astrology Boards (http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=10). Hopefully, this will help tidy things up a bit and clear my own confusion :wink:

Now let the once-off-topic-but-now-on-topic discussions begin! :D

Aquarian Maverick

[johan]

Lapis,great thread!

In time I will like to share something with all you forumeers something about Atlantis,but that means translating so this will take a while.

Lapis and all,can you explain the difference between Indigo and Crystal?

And have you red what hel has written in another thread?What a beautiful experience if your child tells you these things.

Over-excited here with this thread

Johan

[Draco]

What are Indigo's?

[Arian Maverick]

You've never heard of the Indigo Children?! :o

They're the "new generation" that's supposed to bring forth an era of peace and prosperity...here's a link with more information about them:

http://www.metagifted.org/topics/metagifted/indigo/introduction.html

Aquarian Maverick

[Anonymous]

indigos" are essentially souls with strong abilities to utilize potentials of third eye consciousness. they're here to balance powers and usher new transpersonal energies, and strongly intend to usurp the "old school." of ignorance, complacency and despair. essentially, they're empaths with a "punch," anchoring polarity balance and lots of new "information." they need strong and honest guidance thay does not infringe upon their autonomy, but instead directly asks them in the eye to do what they know is right.

sita

[Anonymous]

indigos" are essentially souls with strong abilities to utilize potentials of third eye consciousness. they're here to balance powers and usher new transpersonal energies, and strongly intend to usurp the "old school." of ignorance, complacency and despair. essentially, they're empaths with a "punch," anchoring polarity balance and lots of new "information." they need strong and honest guidance thay does not infringe upon their autonomy, but instead directly asks them in the eye to do what they know is right. t
sita

[Anonymous]

i have no idea what is wrong with my login. i guess i'm just a guest here.

[johan]

Guest :D Sita

What is the difference then with crystalchildren?

[Draco]

Guest,

Why have you just repeated what Sita has just said?

AquaMav,

I read the link. Hmmm, not sure about this. All generations have something special that they bring to the world. I wouldn't say that nearly all children born today have special 'psychic' abilities. I would say that the ratio of persons in the human population with such special psycho-emotional sensitivities remains more or less consistent throughout all generations.

I am a clairvoyant medium, but I don't consider my self an 'indigo child' because of this.

I'm still not sure what all this is about. I don't see how children born since the 90's are any more special than children born since the year dot. It's not at all like me to be skeptical, but I just don't get this. :?

Draco :wink:

[Anonymous]

Does anyone know a timeline for the Crystal children?

Thanks

hel

[Anonymous]

I can't log in, either!

hel

[Light]

Hi Everyone

For once, putting this onto an astrological angle (Is that allowed on a non astrological thread? :lol: I just found this small bit about the chart patterns for indigo children

www.maryenglish.co.uk/ Just follow the links at the top.

Chart shapes are interesting.

hel

[Arian Maverick]

Wow, lots of guests here today! Welcome! :lol:

Does anyone know a timeline for the Crystal children?

Well, I believe I've read someplace that Indigo Children started arriving in very small numbers in the seventies and increased until a very large percentage of children born in the 90's were Indigos. Is this what you wanted?

BTW, Crystal children is another name for the Indigos :wink:

I read the link. Hmmm, not sure about this. All generations have something special that they bring to the world. I wouldn't say that nearly all children born today have special 'psychic' abilities. I would say that the ratio of persons in the human population with such special psycho-emotional sensitivities remains more or less consistent throughout all generations.

I am a clairvoyant medium, but I don't consider my self an 'indigo child' because of this.

I'm still not sure what all this is about. I don't see how children born since the 90's are any more special than children born since the year dot. It's not at all like me to be skeptical, but I just don't get this.

Yes, I agree with you there, Draco...I'm just passing along information :wink:

Aquarian Maverick

[Light]

AquaMav

BTW, Crystal children is another name for the Indigos

Thnaks, that certainly cleared the confusion. It was a magazine article I read on indigos, crystals and rainbows which messed it up! It differentiated but didn't offer a complete explanation. Being the same makes sense now. :idea:

Thanks a bunch

hel

[Arian Maverick]

Some articles I have read attempt to separate them, saying that the "Indigo children" are the older generation and the "Crystal children" are the newer generation...however, I have mostly seen these terms used interchangably. If anyone discovers any major differences, though, please correct me! Thank you!

EDIT: Here's one such article (http://www.thecrystalchildren.com/crystal.html), but I don't really buy it...there's way too much conflicting information out there :?

Just so people don't think I'm off my rocker for suggesting they were the same in the first place, here's a piece of another article I found:

Are the Indigo children, (variously called the Indigo children, Crystal Children, the Children of Oz) the ones who will launch humanity into a new era of consciousness, laying the groundwork for the emergence of a Golden Age?

And finally, here's a somewhat different approach that attempts to integrate the two:

I must say that when the Group first spoke of the Crystal Children I thought they were talking about the Indigo children. However, they quickly corrected me and said these children have different attributes and identified them separately. They also said that the Crystal Children will only be identified as such in the beginning. When the majority of children carry these attributes we will simply call them 'children'.

I say we take a cue from Steve Rother (http://www.lightworker.com/beacons/101502AwakeningCrystalChildren.html) and refer to them collectively as The Children :D

Aquarian Maverick

[johan]

Mmmmm...they are the same

Having difficulties with this,who was the first one who came up with these names?

cristal and indigo,has it got to do with the working of chakras,like crystal for the 6th chakrum and indigo for the 7th perhaps.

There must be a difference,and aquarian maverick,i am with you here there is so much information on the internet,i also do not trust them all,sometimes i read one and immediately think:easy moneymaking...(or am i projecting here :evil: )

[Anonymous]

Mmmmm...they are the same

No, I think there are subtle (OK Subtle) differences! :)


Here's another one which differentiates: www.angelsuniverse.com/whoarethepsychic.htm


Why do I get the feeling I'm back where I started? :D It's all way too confusing.

Johan

i am with you here there is so much information on the internet,i also do not trust them all,sometimes i read one and immediately think:easy moneymaking

I totally agree with you. :D

(or am i projecting here ) Are we projecting onto our children, I wonder? Are they not special enough? I wonder how may parents of these children are projectors?


hel

[Anonymous]

This is Sita and that was me anonymously and accidentally quoting myself up there, I was unsuccessfully trying to get back in to edit my post by additionally saying that Indigos have been around forever, but not in the numbers we are experiencing today, but that is because this consciousness is growing, or we are growing into this consciousness, however you want to look at it.

Draco, I, too share some of your skepitcism on the whole worshipping of indigos thing. I'm 27 and I sometimes operate as an indigo , but I think there are some distinctions to be made so we can understand where this idolization is coming from.

Let's dialogue and try to understand what the difference is between a psychic medium, an indigo, and a crystal are. Shall we? The theory I throw out to discuss follows: the difference is in the relationship between the information and the individual . Each exemplifies different "rest areas" along the spectrum of consciousness that we slide through between individuality and unity. . A medium may generally identify as an individual, but puts that aside momentarily to recieve as a vessel from a connected but not comprehended Source, There is a time space thing happening here and Nirvana is percieved as "elsewhere" and "later" but a future I am connected with.and and a direction I am going in. I think an Indigo would identify themselves as the Source of the information while still maintaining an individuality that switches on and off. We get it, but we don't, and this frustration and the unity that is assembled in this chaotic third eye chakra is the friction that causes a spark into Crystal or Crown consciousness. Crystals just are Natural Source, period. They are Indigos who have bliissed into unity with a fleeting memory of individuality is that is, of course smiled upon. They are operating "out of time" in nirvana and lucky us, are an example of the future which has has come to meet us. No worries about the future and 2012 necessary, but go ahead and worry if that's where you are. We're there, it doesn't matter.

[Anonymous]

hel,
my opinion: we are definately projecting onto our children that which we know we are, and hope to become, but sense we are not. it's well intended, but my opinion is that we should work actively to absorb that projection back into ourselves and find out what we know about "them." because that knowledge is actually who WE are. everyone has "it", and the work is to systematicly move into our prosperity in whatever area seems to be presenting itself, be it identity, self esteem, finances, emotional intelligence, creativity,health, relationships, abilities, wisdom, professionalism, friendships,consciousness etc, as we see through the houses of astrology.
sita

[johan]

Yes,the angelsuniversesite,i can relate on that one a bit,gotta think this load of information over,as well as sita's info,trying to describe the differences.Complicated matter, still not satisfied,and to repeat my question:does anyone know who came up with these names,it cannot go back that far in history....

Sita and Hel,technical info here:log-in above the forum,return to the forum,below the forum log-in again and than check below the forum if your name is there and others who are logged in,if you make a postreply then there should be your name and not 'guest'.If you would understand dutch these sentences would not sound so stupid,hope you understand what i mean :roll:

Just looked up my favorite chakra-site again,indigo is the colour that goes with the 6th chakrum(the third eye),7th chakrum is also called CROWN-chakrum goes with white/crystal
Is there a connection here(i think there is)?

[Light]

Sita

I just feel ( and please don't take this the wrong way :) ), as if I've been told off in the nicest possible way. :D When I've read about chanelling and guides, and the way they 'talk' to you, you're post felt exactly how I imagined that to be! Can you understand what I'm trying to say? I sincerely thank you.

Johan - don't worry about your English, I'm afraid to say its far far better than mine! :oops:

The earliest I've seen about indigos is 'born during the 1970's' and Doreen Virtue had something to do with getting the phase into 'mainstream' (or as near as it is). I may be wrong - I frequently am, apologies to all if I am incorrect. I agree it's an awful lot of information to integrate. As to the chakra and the Children: From what I've read, they are named such because of the colours of their auras. And, from what I understand of auras, the multiple layers are related to the chakras. I can't quite remember how, though. I shall have to look it up.

Draco: You come across as what I imagine a matured indigo would be. :wink: All hyper and metaphysical. Please don't take that the wrong way, either as I have great respect for your knowledge as shown on these boards.

Back to Sita: Sorry for the disjointedness - my ME/SA AQ 3rd is working overtime!
They are operating "out of time"

Which comes back to the mulidimensionals. The universe really is interconnected .

Take care

hel

[happyraccoon]

I think Crystals are different from Indigos.

Indigos are more Pluto in Scorpio-ish, born especially around the conjunction of Uranus and Neptune. I don't really think they all came in at that same time, but they did all use that time frame to absorb the essence of Indigo.

Crystals are more Pluto in Sag-ish. Espcially the Neptune and Uranus in Aquarius time. Once again, the birth timing is not exactly essential to defining who is what, but more just the basic energy of the person.

Indigos are earthy in the sense that they are passionate about what is going on here on the earthly plane. They don't accept anything about the status quo that doesn't hold true at their own core. A lot of these people are now becoming teenagers. They are rebellion folks. Not for pleasure, but for restoring truth, honesty and integrity. They are tripping over and breaking just about every cherished taboo in the dominating cullture. The older they get, the more empowered they become as a group, the more the rest of us will be forced to reevaluate the given order of things, especially wherever multidimensionality has been suppressed. Because, they are capable of rebuilding it: an entirely new kind of social structure that accommodates the authentic truths of all beings on mother earth.

Crystal children are somewhat beyond the earthly plane. They are so subtle in their consciousness that they can be somewhat overlooked (not true with Indigos) and yet their inner beauty has magnetism that will draw love out of the deepest, darkest corners. It's like looking into The Light when you run across one. They are the ones that will fill up the new structure built by the Indigos. When they do, they will bring none of the lies of our culture with them, because they just don't pick up on that frequency. They are the seeds of higher consciousness. I don't see them fighting in the trenches for a new world order (like the Indigos) but I do see them insisting on keeping it High by simply being.

Indigos are like the sound: oooo (as in loose) in the pitch that loosens up tension in your body.
Crystals are like the sound: aaaah in the highest pitch you can vocalize, maybe even higher than that.

At the moment I'm struggling to remember the name of the person that has written lots about this stuff. She also writes about the differences between fairies and angels, etc. There's also another important work out there about Indigos that includes stuff about their learning talents. There are quite a few public educators who are being asked to read it and do their own research on how Indigos learn. Of course, as with any group of people, individuality demands that each person's uniqueness supercedes any generalizations about the whole group. But these works help illustrate that educational practices and theories need to evolve according to the needs of these special children. First hand observation, inspiration, and trial and error is very important in trying to give these people what they need!

The overwhelming similarity Indigos and Crystals share is that they are so tapped in to the streams of "alternate" consciousness, that they can't usually adequately define, for the sceptical mainstream, where the quantified source of their knowledge is. They are challenged and somewhat disregarded by the mainstream because of this.

[Lapis]

How wonderful! I'm so happy to see this :D

First of all......sita, I think you'll need to log in twice. I have to or it doesn't work. Also when you log OUT check that you've really done it. Sometimes I have to log out twice too.

I'm going to try to catch up with this great discussion.

In General Chat the thread "Some Helpful Information" I and others have left many different links to really great sites that will also help answer all of our questions. Just last Spring Equinox I was psychically led to a site that IMO, is the best one on the Indigo/Crystal or "Octarine" (as Sunfell calls it)
situation. For very accurate info about this issue I highly suggest that you take an afternoon and read all, yes ALL, of the articles Sunfell has written about this. If this is an issue for you, you'll be so glad that you did! Here's that link again.

www.sunfell.com/indigo.htm

The fast and dirty low down on these names, terms 'Indigo', 'Crystal' or 'Octarine' is about energy levels within some of us. I think it was sometime in the early 80's that a woman who could see people's auras and did readings, began psychically seeing a new color show up in some people's auras. It was the color Indigo. And I think it was later in the late 90's that she began psychically seeing white or 'Crystal' color in some of these people who'd previously had a lot of Indigo in them indicating that something big had changed. Again, think of these aura colors as indicating different frequencies of Energy in different people.

I incarnated as an Indigo in 1951 but in Apr. 1995 I had a huge message come through while asleep. I was informed that 5 YEARS LATER (which would have been the beginning of 1998 - and some big things started then) I was going to be entering a very difficult period of deep transformation. That big parts of 'me' would being dying so that a higher unity could manifest in me. In some ways I feel like this process is still going on today, but nothing as extreme as the period from 1998 to 2004!

After finding Sunfells site and all her info last Spring, I finally understood what I'd gone through. I'd transitioned to 'Crystal' or 'Octarine' as she calls it and am learning how to live with this higher energy but that's another story. Sometimes it's very, very, hard....not the higher energy, the lower!

This subject is directly connected with the 'Ascension Symptoms' that so many other people (of any and all auric colors) are currently dealing with too and will continue to. The Indigos and Crystals just started earlier because it's what we do. I've referred to us as Cosmic Janitors! :wink: Now the name Lapis makes a bit more sense. :)

[Arian Maverick]

Wow, what an honor to be an Indigo forerunner! :D

I wish I could have some clarifying experience that would reveal my true purpose here...but I don't think I have any exceptional abilities at all. I'm only sixteen years old, but I feel like a cynical old man...so bitter, so tired. Is this some adverse reaction to the new energy? Maybe I'm some perverse Anti-Indigo child...

Aquarian Maverick

[johan]

That is what i meant,lapis,log-in twice.I also log-in twice.First in log-in section with faq/memberlist and so on,then the log-in bar beneath the page,where you see also who is online and how many guests and how many hidden.Think i failed here with my english the first time :o

So Lapis and Hel,it's not Doreen Virtue probably,but this woman who sees auras came up with the names than probably.Do you know the name of her,Lapis?

And I find this interesting,Hel,hope you come up with the relation between auras and chakras.

But do you agree with me that there is a relation with the chakras?Indigo goes with the 6th chakra,the third eye.If you are strongly connected to the 6th chakra,you have a strong will and are highly intuitive,and probably these people are born more connected with this.This corresponds to what raccoon and sita are telling:they are personally involved with flashes of intuition,rebellious,standing up for the truth.
The crystal children are more connected to the 7th,more impersonal,connected directly to the cosmos,like raccoon and sita wrote:operating out of time in nirvana,not fighting in the trenches for a new world order.

Sita I use already a dutch site which is very reliable,and i have a good book,so i stick to this for now.For me it takes a lot of energy all this english,but i will add it to my favourits for future.Gonna save this energy for sunfell,for me this will take not an afternoon but a week!

Lapis,thanks for sharing this personal information of your transformation.
It's hard for me to understand,i think i am just on the beginning with pluto squaring.
And what is a cosmic janitor?
By the way,the precious stone mentioned that goes along with the 6th chakrum was LAPIS!

[Lapis]

Aquarian Maverick,

You're exceptional and the proof of that is the fact that you've incarnated now at this monumental time in the history of humankind on earth! This is true of each and every soul incarnate here now. The fact that you're so young and so "bitter for my age"...... to me also indicates that some inner part of you knows very well how utterly ******* up this world has become. So many of us are here now to change that and mainly right through ourselves, our inner 'works'! At this point it doesn't even have to be on the outside, like through our jobs or careers etc. We're like living filters, transmuting lead into alchemical gold...... energy and consciousness wise! If you can create or find a paying job where you can also do this, great!!!

Don't worry about being bitter now, just don't get stuck there either. It's changing for the better so fast it's unbelievable. Try to reach your Heart and feel like you're in love with yourself! I mean in a high positive way. Try doing that for 3 minutes. Its very hard to do! If you and I and everyone can learn to hold that feeling, that energy in us for longer and longer minutes, hours each day.......the whole planet would change in an hour or so!!!

It's been very hard being 'weird' for so long (50+ years) before it was more acceptable to be 'weird' :wink:

[Lapis]

johan,

You're the best! :)

I'm so impressed with you people who can speak more than one language. Like hel said, I too have trouble with just english! But that's normal if telepathy is your native tongue! :wink:

I can't remember the name of the original woman who did the aura reading and created the name 'Indigo'. It may be Doreen Virtue, but I'm sorry I just can't remember. Just had a thought........this may be a site for you.

www.starchildascension.org

This woman, Celia Fenn, has a lot of articles about Indigos and Crystals and current Ascension energy info too and you can access it in different languages! Try this site too, but Sunfell's insight about this is exceptional. She's lived it also.

[Kite]

Here's some more information on Indigo children. http://www.indigochild.com/index.html

[Arian Maverick]

Thank you Lapis! I'm feeling much better now...even before I read your post.

I don't know what's wrong with me lately...sometimes I get depressed for no fathomable reason and am filled with such intense self-loathing that I literally make myself ill. Do you think this might be some residual karma from another life? I feel so conflicted...no matter how desperately I try to seek the light, I feel like my life will be forever intertwined with darkness. That's how I know that I'm no Indigo Child.

I am wondering if there are any other "soul groups" besides the Indigos and the Crystals--there have to be, right? I want so desperately to belong somewhere...but I feel that is a luxury that will always be denied. Are there any "lost souls" wandering the earth planes? There are so many questions...and so few satisfying answers. Can anyone help me?

Aquarian Maverick

[happyraccoon]

About Indigos:

they need strong and honest guidance thay does not infringe upon their autonomy, but instead directly asks them in the eye to do what they know is right.
sita

This is exactly right, according to my experience. And I'd like to add that I don't know any more than anyone else about this. Let me not pretend!
If I were in the same room with you, sita, I would be hugging you and thanking you for your divine thinking.

I did walk right up to a Crystal just an hour ago (actually she walked up to me--serendipity) and so I asked her to tell me the difference between Indigos and Crystals. She was silent for a good while, 2 to 3 minutes. She was just feeling me out to see what to say. Then she said:

Indigos are blue streams and when they connect themselves to Mother Earth and ground themselves, they tap in with their root chakra, which is red. This has them catching a little bit of the fighter, warrior part of their family history, karma, bloodlines, etc. They can feel attacked and angry and wanting to do something about it. This can bring more woundedness or it can get them into a place where they have fused the two energies (red/past/earth and blue/future/cosmic.) This fusion creates purple. At this point, the Indigo is now a teacher and is a beacon for the Crystal light energy. The Crystal energy travels from Out There into the now grounded purple stream and has a vehicle by which it can draw us all away from conflict and suffering and into happiness, love, and life.

She said that some Crystals just come (are born) without having first come through an Indigo. She also said that some Indigos sputter with red as they attempt to balance and ground.

The quality of this communication had that channeled pure love vibe to it that you get sometimes with people, that makes me high. I asked her if I could quote her, and here I have tried. If only you could feel how delicious she is.

Yummies to you all!

[happyraccoon]

Can anyone help me?

What's on your Nadir? And what placement and confirguration does the planet ruling your Nadir have?

How about those same questions for your South and North Nodes, too?

[johan]

Happy raccoon,
Don't be mad at me,but sorry,I really cannot relate to your last post.
Are this really the words of a child or your interpretation?

Well,it is difficult stuff to understand this all.
Gonna read sunfell and other sites to see if i can understand it a little bit more.
(i don't think you agree of my chakras-theory,you all,however i thought i had something here.Difficult,confusing all this)
Well good luck you all with this subject here,i will follow your theories in this thread here but i will give it a rest here personally.

See you around on the forum!

[Kite]

I did walk right up to a Crystal just an hour ago (actually she walked up to me--serendipity) and so I asked her to tell me the difference between Indigos and Crystals. She was silent for a good while, 2 to 3 minutes. She was just feeling me out to see what to say. Then she said:


Happyraccoon - that was a beautiful post from your on-demand Crystal. Could you please ask her who she likes on Sunday - Pittsburgh or Seattle :wink:

[happyraccoon]

Happy raccoon,
Don't be mad at me,but sorry,I really cannot relate to your last post.
Are this really the words of a child or your interpretation?


(i don't think you agree of my chakras-theory,you all,however i thought i had something here.Difficult,confusing all this)


Johan,
On the contrary...I do, especially after talking to her (she just graduated from high school last year) I feel that my previous assertion about Crystals being from the time of Uranus and Neptune together in Aquarius is wrong in the sense that the crystal energy comes in through people who are already a little older. She herself said that she somtimes is Indigo, sometimes Crystal. She calls the process "Crystallizing." She described how the Indigo is coming through chakra 6 and is the color indigo. Add to that the red of the root chakra, you get purple--I don't know, she didn't exactly say this, but isn't it likely that the several chakras that are up over our heads are then really lit, making that Crystal light?? What colors are those chakras?

I know her from the healing community here. I suppose I shouldn't engage about you guys thinking this isn't real. My aura is red enough as it is!

Please explain what aspect of your chakra theory you want feedback on. I'm very curious.

Kite--Seahawks of course!!!

[Arian Maverick]

In an attempt to avoid abruptly diverting the conversation, I have created a new board (http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=5086#5086) containing the message I originally posted here. I would greatly appreciate if the community could use their vast astrology skills to get the root to the problem I have described above. Thanks!

Aquarian Maverick

[happyraccoon]

The fast and dirty low down on these names, terms 'Indigo', 'Crystal' or 'Octarine' is about energy levels within some of us. I think it was sometime in the early 80's that a woman who could see people's auras and did readings, began psychically seeing a new color show up in some people's auras. It was the color Indigo. And I think it was later in the late 90's that she began psychically seeing white or 'Crystal' color in some of these people who'd previously had a lot of Indigo in them indicating that something big had changed. Again, think of these aura colors as indicating different frequencies of Energy in different people.

I incarnated as an Indigo in 1951 but in Apr. 1995 I had a huge message come through while asleep. I was informed that 5 YEARS LATER (which would have been the beginning of 1998 - and some big things started then) I was going to be entering a very difficult period of deep transformation. That big parts of 'me' would being dying so that a higher unity could manifest in me. In some ways I feel like this process is still going on today, but nothing as extreme as the period from 1998 to 2004!

After finding Sunfells site and all her info last Spring, I finally understood what I'd gone through. I'd transitioned to 'Crystal'

Lapis, this jives exactly to what I was hearing last night. What were some of the yummy feelings of crystallizing?

[johan]

Raccoon,thanks for your patience with this headstrong-aries i am.

Forget what i said about the chakras.Apparently i was wrong with this theory.
And when you said child,i thought of a young child,so i did not know whether it was your interpretation of her words or her own words.But she is older,so that explains it.

For information of chakras i use a dutch site.Don't know if your good with translation-sites(like bablefish) but it is called www.stamcel.org

johan

[Light]

Hi all

Johan: Well, you kept me awake all last night. :wink: Tying to fathom out the relationship between auras and chakras! Conflicting evidence again. :?

What I've fathomed out (I think!) is that the 7 auric bodies do connect to the 7 chakras, the chakras acting like junction boxes to disperse the external (auric) energy into the areas of the body which need it (internal enrgy). Then I discovered there were even more chakras on the Hara line. The kundalini line, the hara line - Lapis I'm feeling like a railway station! :( :)

Here's a photo of the auras and the chakras working together

www.reiki-for-holistic-health.com/chakra-aura-picture.html

So, Johann - I think your theory is right. :)

But there's way too much conflicting evidence out there!!

Happy R:

How lucky you are to be able to recognise one, I envy you. I'm not nearly aware enough, trying to work on it, though. :cry:

Must go, catch you all again

Take care

hel

[happyraccoon]

be able to recognise one,hel

Look for a person who can sit there and beam even though everyone else in the room is trying to figure out the "right" answer. It happens a lot in the classroom (whether young or old students.) Beaming gives them away. Their lives can be completely falling apart (from the outside perspective) but on the inside they are just really feeling extremely groovy. (No drugs involved! I should specify that!) They are simply high on the one true reality of bliss. Bliss. Bliss. Bliss.

[johan]

Hel,forgive this grumpy old dutch guy.

I will do more research with the chakras,and the aura-information you gave.Thanks for this information and i mean it!
You are also struggling like me with conflicting evidence :D
Was discouraged with that,i admit

And hel,advice:stick for now to the seven chakras and forget the haraline for a while.I promise as soon as i think i figured it all out i will come back here to share it with all you guys here.

Encouraged here by hel,johan

Catch you later!

[Anonymous]

Johann

I wan;t blaming you, honestly! I had to do something, so i did some light reading! :)

In spite of all the conflicting evidence, I think its interesting, to quote Diane Stein from her book Healing with Gemstones and Crystals

Some people have now begun to notice the opening of new chakras, however, and are again awareness of other chakra systems.

Which tallies in with Lapis' light and energy 'bits'. (Sorry Lapis for calling them bits! :oops: )

all very interesting.

Now I really must get back to my aspects! Why do the words in heads change by the time they come out of fingers? Must be my Mars/Merc quinx! :D

Take care

hel

[Lapis]

I'm just going to start talking from my own personal experience and knowledge about aspects of this. Please keep in mind while reading this, that I'm 54 now and I've been a Wanderer/Indigo from birth, so my perspective is a bit different because of this. And to me the most powerful part of all this is that I knew at age 3 that I came to this planet from a higher non-physical dimension. At age 5, I complained to the sky that there'd been some terrible mistake! I was obviously in the wrong place and these 2 people calling themselves "Mom & Dad", were indeed NOT my parents! I was really frustrated about all this, but the sky answered me back and said all was as it had been planned long prior. I knew the sky was correct and slowly eased into accepting that I'd incarnated here, again.

Energy. It's all about energy and the different levels or frequencies of it. First let me define the term "Wanderer" because this goes to the core of so many of the questions about all this. A "Wanderer" is a being that normally resides in a higher dimension but they choose to incarnate into lower dimensional worlds/realities when they get stuck energetically. johan, this is what I meant by my silly term of Cosmic Janitors. :wink: We come in and clean up with Light! We willingly incarnate into these systems, realities, worlds for mainly 2 reasons.

1) To help the world we've incarnated into (and it's inhabitants) to remember that something else exists besides what's all around them. In this case....higher dimensional LIGHT/knowledge. To break free of the control exerted mainly through mass belief systems. How do we do this? Primarily by carrying this higher Light/Energy in us from birth. We're like transmitters radiating higher frequency Light/Energy/Knowledge on earth from higher dimensions (Home) into this reality of imbalance and 'Dark' or lack of this Light.

2) At the same time, to learn and grow individually, through this whole process and NOT forget what we are and why we're here! I'm one of the lucky ones because I remembered from the beginning why I was here and where I'd come from. Many Wanderers and/or Elder Indigos have had to also wake up again here and reintegrate who, what, and why they're here now.

So Wanderers naturally carry many of the higher energies that in this physical dimension/world/reality are called or recognized as many of the energies and abilities of the Chakras from the Heart on up. And this means that our Heart, Throat, Third Eye, and later Crown Chakras, are pretty active from childhood......AND to clairvoyants who can see our auras.........these higher dimensional energies (our Home stations) show in our auras as these higher colors! It IS all connected :)

Now, if your higher Chakras are more open and functioning then yes, your going to also have many of the abilities that go along with that Chakra. This is why we'll be 'naturally' psychic, empathic, clairvoyant, remember past lives, in contact with non physical beings from other dimensions etc. etc. PLUS it also explains why we're pretty bad at understanding negativity/evil/fear/anger/hate/murder/ego/greed/ and so on! These traits simply do not exist in the higher dimensions. Needless to say we get our butts seriously kicked numerous times until we learn what "negativity" is all about again!

So......Indigos/Wanderers are usually beings who incarnated on Earth again from one of many higher dimensions to help humanity and the planet at this time, to get free again. And their auras/energy fields in general, will display their higher energies just like they will usually have many of these higher consciousness abilities. They go hand n' hand. :wink:

The transition to "Crystal" or "Octarine" is this same business, just amped up a couple thousand-fold!!! :? Enough higher dimensional Light was brought in here over the past 50+ years or so, that more and more is now flooding this dimension to totally release it and humanity from this dark period. And because the "system has been busted open" to use a Pleiadian term, higher dimensional beings that are being called "Indigo Children" and "Crystal Children" can much more safely incarnate here now.

With this higher Light flooding the planet now, much of humanity is rapidly waking back up and transforming itself, as was the great plan. It's just the time for this to be happening anyway, and to get it activated in secret, Wanderers incarnate first with amnesia (just like most everyone else) like spies in a foreign land. We change the energy from the 'inside' but with nearly constant contact with the 'outside' or higher dimensions! Once enough of this higher energy in the form of Light/Knowledge is anchored here, others can start to incarnate who also carry higher dimensional frequencies. I sure hope this answers some of the confusion about this issue. Of course there's much more, there always is. :wink:

[Lapis]

hel141,

Now I told you sweetie, no more apologizing when you've done nothing wrong! Said with love my friend. http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/8259/redheartflash8fh.gif

[johan]

Thanks Lapis,

This was very helpful,this clears things up.I mean the entire post,not only the explaining of Cosmic Janitor(i thought the word janitor was a non-existing word,a new invented word, but i have looked it up in the dictionary :D )

See you around,weird wanderer.

[Light]

Lapis

That was Crystal clear. Thank you. :D

NOw - Where's your book? It should be on the shelves!! :D :D

You explain everything so clearly, it's as if you're hear talking to me.

Take care

hel

[Lapis]

Thank you both johan and hel, that means a lot to me. I even had a fever when I wrote it and did pretty well considering!

I've lived with this stuff my whole life so it's my point of view, my reality of this reality! :wink: It's also connected to other astrological Ages, mainly the Age of Leo and all that was started then and is finishing up now before 2012. Like ancient Egypt and Atlantis and ET beings - just Family from the Stars - nothing weird.

I'm here to offer up my memories, my scant personal knowledge, to any who would like to ask me about something no matter how strange it may seem. It won't be to me, believe me! What I have to say will resonate and make sense immediately, or it won't. And if I don't know, I'll tell you that I don't. It's that simple. http://img37.imageshack.us/img37/898/rainbowface8fe.gif

[Arian Maverick]

I'm here to offer up my memories, my scant personal knowledge, to any who would like to ask me about something no matter how strange it may seem.

You have much more than "scant personal knowledge," Lapis. Leave that phrase to those it actually applies to *points to myself*

Aquarian Maverick

[Light]

Quote:
I'm here to offer up my memories, my scant personal knowledge, to any who would like to ask me about something no matter how strange it may seem.


You have much more than "scant personal knowledge," Lapis. Leave that phrase to those it actually applies to *points to myself*

Aquarian Maverick

Lapis

See telling off on other thread! :) Here's another one. :wink:

Aqua Ma : This telling off applies to you too. :D
*points to myself* indeed! :shock: You have far more knowledge than I am, and you call yourself a beginner??? You're a natural, girl. Me, I'm a beginner. If you're the baby at it, then I'm still in utero, only just past conception - not even noticable! :oops:

Both of you, stop being so hard on yourselves! Can we make that a rule, too? :wink: :)

Shaking up

Take care

hel

[Arian Maverick]

Lapis

See telling off on other thread! Here's another one.

Did you actually create a telling off thread?! Or Perhaps that's already been cleverly disguised as the South Node Virgo Club :D

Aqua Ma : This telling off applies to you too.

Yes, mother *hangs head in shame*

*points to myself* indeed! You have far more knowledge than I am, and you call yourself a beginner??? You're a natural, girl. Me, I'm a beginner. If you're the baby at it, then I'm still in utero, only just past conception - not even noticable!

I could spend another twenty minutes trying to refute this, but I believe my energy would be better spent quieting the buzzing of my negativity knat and simply saying -- thank you. I believe we all possess more knowledge than we give ourselves credit for :wink:

Both of you, stop being so hard on yourselves! Can we make that a rule, too?

You could try, but it's going to be a lot harder to enforce than the no-apology one :D

Now back to the discussion...

Aquarian Maverick

[Light]

Aqua Mav

You are wonderful, so much more wiser than your years. Truly a bright light amongst us old folk (and I'm talking about mysef here mainly.) :idea:


Back to discussions. (I imagined you in a gladiatorial arena saying 'let the games begin', then.)

Lapis

Whats Lemuria. I've not heard of that one.


hel

[Arian Maverick]

Yes, we're going on to Lemuria! :D

I'll see if I can find some links, but basically Lemuria is/was an advanced civilization that existed around the time of Atlantis. There has been channeled information saying that the Lemurians still exist underneath the Earth's surface inside Mt. Shasta, and they are waiting until the time is right to help us bring about an unprecedented era of peace...or something like that :wink:

Aquarian Maverick

[Lapis]

hel & Aquarian Maverick,

OK you both are right. We're ALL ancient old gods/goddesses with amnesia here wondering what's the deal?!? Thank you both for reminding me of this. :)

Lemuria! Now this is another subject that should reveal a few things in some folks here! I haven't read much about Lemuria (am I spelling that right?) but I've had a past life memory of a life as a........oh boy, here I go.......Merperson or Mermaid. Yep, that's what I said but I've had this memory since childhood, long before I'd ever heard of Lemuria.

From what I remember, and then many years later read a bit about, Lemuria was a huge continent that was where the Pacific ocean is now. Like Atlantis was supposedly where the Atlantic ocean is now. Anyway, Lemuria existed long before Atlantis did and was extrememly 'Goddess Energy' and awareness whereas Atlantis was extreamely Masuculine Energy and consciousness. Polar opposites........still playing out today.

Lemuria was like a heavenly Garden with what we'd call magical beings living together with human like beings with much less dense bodies and consciousness. It was 'fey' in every way hel141. Merpeople, animals, elemental beings, they all lived together and communicated and were one big beautiful highly loving family.

When I was a kid I just couldn't comprehend why I couldn't breath under water! My Pisces ASC really increased this whole issue with water and living in it, under it. Being a Merperson is one of my most dear past life memories and Lemuria was beautiful beyond words. Peace, love, total harmony. It was almost etheric and not nearly as 'dense' as the places that came after it. I hope others will add more about Lemuria.

[johan]

Of course,the authority of the subject of Lemuria(also called Mu) is James Churchward,and his book The lost continent of Mu

Highly recommended by me(sounds like an advertisement,but it isn't)

So much insights here in this book,to get an idea www.crystalinks.com/lemuria.html

Connections with easter island,the mayas,the indians,ancient egypt and old european civilisations like the basks and the kelts.

http://www.publicupload.com/files/mu.jpg (http://www.publicupload.com)

[sita]

Lapis,
Thanks so much for bringing up Lemuria... Such Interestiing developments here. I'm a "merperson", too. !!! I always knew I was a mermaid (and have many other mermaid freinds) but what I am really blitzed by is where Lemuria is in the Pacific Ocean. I never knew this. In the fall of 1999, I was in undergraduate college studying psychology and art therapy, when all of a sudden I just dropped my workload and decided I was going to study "Pacific Islands Studies" which had nothing technically to do with graduation. I went to Western Samoa and I must have found a Lemurian ley line there (!!!!) because when swimming one day I immersed myself below the surface of the water and had the most blissful and ecstatic love experience I have ever had... I'm a multisensory synesthete (atleast when I'm not depressed) and the realms of color and music under the surface of the water were so incredible.

I fell so much in love with the Pacific ocean that when I came back to the US after my "studies" I broke up with a perfectly wonderful man simply because I was depressed and despondent at the loss of "my" ocean and knew I'd have a hard time accessing comaparable love feelings on a human level. Seeing love from that level still has me really confused about what "human" love is all about. If I had been born a few minutes later I would have been a pisces rising, which makes so much sense to me.

Sita

[Arian Maverick]

If I had been born a few minutes later I would have been a pisces rising, which makes so much sense to me.

I am sure your Higher Self has/had a perfectly good reason for you being born before the Pisces Ascendent...I am convinced that nothing is an accident in this universe :wink:

Isn't it amazing how "coincidents" like these can guide us on our journey? This is very interesting, what both you and Lapis have described here...I cannot say I have ever had such a profound multidimensional experience before, but I did experience an intense emotional reaction once whilst reading a channeling from Adama, High Priest of Telos. I believe he was describing the fateful day when the continent of Lemuria sank deep into the ocean...he relayed how many of his fellow Lemurians had "gone down with the ship" without any fear, singing a beautiful song before their voices were completely submerged by the water.

This struck me as tragically beautiful...if I had to choose a way to leave this plane of existance, this would certainly be it. I love music with a passion, and believe that I have developed my substational talent for it over many lifetime...it comes almost too naturally to me and is as much a part of my being as my name. This is something else I wish to explore on the past lives thread...as much as my Virgo South Node wishes to keep everything tidy and organized, I am beginning to appreciate how topics can melt into each other with no discernable boundaries...I love this forum! :D

Aquarian Maverick

[Anonymous]

AM: the comment about me possibly being a pices rising was more an allusion to the preponderance that perhaps the doctor at the hospital didn't quite get the birth time right.
Faith in the natural unfolding of things, I have: LIfe is too perfectly strange to not.

Wow. So you like music. Do you rememeber that Dido song that came out in 2002? The one about "I will go down wilth the ship.... There will be no white flag above my head, ... ''cause I'm in love" When I first heard that song, it resonated so very very deeply in ways I figured were either quite ancient, or preclusive to disturbing earth changes and and indication where my loyalties lay. I have a very strong spiritual connection to the planet, which, perhaps, is part of my venus in taurus, but everytime I hear it, I get totally wrapped up and usually cry. I wonder if I was there in Lemuria? That might be a fun research project.

[Arian Maverick]

AM: the comment about me possibly being a pices rising was more an allusion to the preponderance that perhaps the doctor at the hospital didn't quite get the birth time right.

LOL! That's certainly a possibility...I've always pondered if hospitals ever established an exact method of deducing birth time.

Faith in the natural unfolding of things, I have: LIfe is too perfectly strange to not.

Amen to that! (or any other religious/spiritual conclusion phrase...I'm preparing to go to church this morning, so perhaps I have Christianity on the brain) :roll:

Wow. So you like music. Do you rememeber that Dido song that came out in 2002? The one about "I will go down wilth the ship.... There will be no white flag above my head, ... ''cause I'm in love" When I first heard that song, it resonated so very very deeply in ways I figured were either quite ancient, or preclusive to disturbing earth changes and and indication where my loyalties lay. I have a very strong spiritual connection to the planet, which, perhaps, is part of my venus in taurus, but everytime I hear it, I get totally wrapped up and usually cry. I wonder if I was there in Lemuria? That might be a fun research project.

I never paid much attention to the radio until a few years ago...but as soon as I looked up the lyrics (http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/dido/whiteflag.html) to that song, I remembered it immediately! I can even hear the melody in my head right now...so beautiful. Thanks for sharing! :wink:

Aquarian Maverick

[Lapis]

Lapis,
Thanks so much for bringing up Lemuria... Such Interestiing developments here. I'm a "merperson", too. !!! I always knew I was a mermaid (and have many other mermaid freinds) but what I am really blitzed by is where Lemuria is in the Pacific Ocean. I never knew this. In the fall of 1999, I was in undergraduate college studying psychology and art therapy, when all of a sudden I just dropped my workload and decided I was going to study "Pacific Islands Studies" which had nothing technically to do with graduation. I went to Western Samoa and I must have found a Lemurian ley line there (!!!!) because when swimming one day I immersed myself below the surface of the water and had the most blissful and ecstatic love experience I have ever had... I'm a multisensory synesthete (atleast when I'm not depressed) and the realms of color and music under the surface of the water were so incredible.

I fell so much in love with the Pacific ocean that when I came back to the US after my "studies" I broke up with a perfectly wonderful man simply because I was depressed and despondent at the loss of "my" ocean and knew I'd have a hard time accessing comaparable love feelings on a human level. Seeing love from that level still has me really confused about what "human" love is all about. If I had been born a few minutes later I would have been a pisces rising, which makes so much sense to me.

Sita

sita and all,

That post nearly made me cry with high joy if that makes sense. I could relate to nearly every word you said and certainly the reasons why you felt the way you did! Yes oh yes oh yes........and there are more of us Lemurians here and also Merpeople! I hope they discover this discussion and add to it. I don't remember who originally brought up Lemuria but I'm sure glad they did!

There is not only a big split between the right/left halves of our brains, but some other very ancient and huge ones too. One of these huge splits is represented by the highly different vibratory groups of the ancient Lemurians and the ancient Atlantians. The Lemurians carried what we'd today call the "Goddess" energies. The Atlantians, at least much later, carried only Male energies. Lemuria or Mu was Heart and Atlantis was Mind. Humanity is still today trying to get beyond this terrible split in itself. I believe that the Waves of the Age of Aquarius are the time when we can finally heal and reintegrate these 2 major groups/energies and become a magical new integrated being.

BTW, even with Aquarius ASC you still have more than half of the sign of Pisces in that same 1st house....... and Neptune in your 10th. You have about half n' half in your 1st house! :wink: I think you made a wise career change.

I also know what you're talking about not being able to reproduce the higher dimensional Love you felt/saw in the 'normal' world with someone. Its a totally different thing altogether. For now try to carry 'It', that higher Love awareness and energy in yourself as much as possible and others who also carry it will see and feel 'It'. We're doing this in so many different ways now on this message board, and in many other places too. It's really exciting and wonderful.

I'm going to say one more thing about this Lemurian energy in our reality today. It may sound 'over-the-top' to some of you but bear with me please. I live in southeren California and have for most of my life. One of the main reasons I'm still living here (and so many others who have and still are living on/near the West Coast of the US) is that we were Lemurians in past lives and we're sort of helping in this life to hold a higher dimemsional energy on/in this land area of the whole West Coast. We've been helping to change a probable reality from happening in this area. That of a devistating earthquake anywhere in this whole area that would ripple out and touch so many other places. We've all heard about the possibility of huge parts of (or most of California) dropping off into the Pacific ocean! Then a tidal wave we couldn't comprenend. Sound familiar?
I've psychically seen this probable tidal wave for the past 12 years and feel that only recently we've all been able to change this from manifesting into this physical reality of ours! I like the Pacific ocean too but just not THAT much!!! :o

Next for so many more souls is the ancient healings from the famed 'Downfall of Atlantis' now and for the next few years.

johan,
Thanks so much for the visual, the map showing where these ancient continents were. That book sounds very good too. Another one I'd like to get!

[Arian Maverick]

There is not only a big split between the right/left halves of our brains, but some other very ancient and huge ones too. One of these huge splits is represented by the highly different vibratory groups of the ancient Lemurians and the ancient Atlantians. The Lemurians carried what we'd today call the "Goddess" energies. The Atlantians, at least much later, carried only Male energies. Lemuria or Mu was Heart and Atlantis was Mind. Humanity is still today trying to get beyond this terrible split in itself. I believe that the Waves of the Age of Aquarius are the time when we can finally heal and reintegrate these 2 major groups/energies and become a magical new integrated being.

Yes! This so much more than mythology...it is the ultimate symbolism of duality, which has set the stage on our planet for millenia! I am so excited...everything seems to be comming round in full circle again!

BTW, even with Aquarius ASC you still have more than half of the sign of Pisces in that same 1st house....... and Neptune in your 10th. You have about half n' half in your 1st house! I think you made a wise career change.

Cheers, Lapis! I believe that I can relate to this as well...I have a huge first house which holds both Aquarius and Pisces. I did the calculations and I have about 24 degrees in Aquarius and 27 degrees in Pisces! I never took notice of this before...thank you for indirectly helping me too! :D

Aquarian Maverick

[Light]

With Pisces on the IC, I wounder: did I come from water? Apart from always living near water. On the last two ocassions it has not been a concious decision, the house called not the water. Although I'm beginning to think it's the other way around.

I find the sea calling to me, the waves speak, the wind speaks, everything about it calls. :) Even the muddy, sludgy stuff we call sea, here!! Always, always, always wanted to live on a house in a cliff, over looking the sea. I'll get it one day. sigh. I'll dream on.

Speaking of dreams: can anyone analyse/make suggestions about dreams? I don't want to interrupt the lemurians.

Back to the Lemurians (or nearly), where is Mt Shasta? (My geography really is atrocious :oops: ) I've heard that name about twenty times in the last week - never heard of it before. I could google it, but something tells me to ask here?

End of interruption. :lol:

take care
hel

[Lapis]

hel141,

Hi and don't worry about changing the current topic here. We can talk about anything and everything we want! :mrgreen: Yes I'd love to hear your dream and give it a go if you'd like.

Mt. Shasta is in northern California, above San Francisco, and about half way between S. F. and the Oregon border. It's a sort of spiritual hot spot in California from what I've heard.

Changing subjects, this morning I remembered a series of photo's that I want to share here for all of the Merpeople and the Water Lovers in general. :wink: I hope I can find them again. I think they'll speak to your Hearts the way they did to mine.

Yes hel with water on the cusp of the 4th house, you'll want and need to be near water. Moving water is even better.

[Lapis]

Aquarian Maverick,

I'm so glad that that helped you too! I also have huge 1st/7th houses with all 30 degrees of Pisces in the 1st plus 9 degrees of Aries as well. The 1st house is SO important and like you've discovered, we must be aware of everything there because it all will effect the basic personality in varying ways.

You also have more Pisces degrees in that 1st house than Aquarian ones! You still have Aquarius ASC BUT you've got this second Piscean/Neptune energy there too (and that North Node in Pisces :wink: ) which strongly colors that important 1st house.

[Arian Maverick]

So that means that I have both Uranus AND Neptune modifying my self...lucky me :roll:

But seriously, this makes so much sense now...of course there's that Aquarius innovation coloring others' perceptions of me (and therefore my perception of myself), but that quiet Pisces energy is there, infusing me with a sense of spiritual purpose and keeping my sometimes revolutionary outlook in check. I love astrology...there is always something more to learn about yourself :wink:

Aquarian Maverick

[Lapis]

I found that link I promised for all the ol' Lemurians, Merpeople, and Water lovers in general here. :wink: These photo's were taken in Maui (by her husband) where this woman, Delilah, gives Belly Dance workshops once a year I believe. Maui and all the Hawaiian Islands are right out in the middle of the ancient Lemurian area and many believe that that's why the Islands hold such magical energies. That's why Deliliah did this there! Click on the little fish at the bottom right side to go through all the photo's. Some are very haunting and beautiful.

www.visionarydance.com/Underwater_dance.html

[Arian Maverick]

Thanks for the link, Lapis!

I wasn't as moved by the photos as you were, but the idea is certainly fascinating. I love the water, but I believe my soul has a more natural inclination towards fire...perhaps because of that intense Aries stellium in my natal chart? I'll let you merpeople converse amongst yourselves :wink:

Aquarian Maverick

P.S. I am thinking back to the incident when I was mistaken for male on these boards...as Kite suggested at the time, perhaps this is a clue. Do you suppose I could have been involved with Atlantis (male energy) instead? I'm going to surf around and see if anything resonates...

[Lapis]

Hi Aquarian Maverick. One thing I have wondered about is all of your fire, your Aries fire in this life, and having died in a recent past life because of fire!? I wonder if there's a connection? A lesson of some sort? Just thinking out loud at you! :wink:

[Arian Maverick]

Yes, that's funny, because my thoughts were going in a similar direction...the only thing is that I'm pretty balanced as far as elements go (four fire, three air, three earth, and four water) but I cannot deny that my Aries stellium is a strong factor in my chart.

I'm still unsure about my feelings regarding the different elements, though...perhaps I'm just not accustomed to viewing myself in this way.

Aquarian Maverick

[Light]

Can I change topic again, please? :)

What does channelling feel like? How do you know when you're doing it and not imagining something?


Ever questioning

hel

[Arian Maverick]

What does channelling feel like? How do you know when you're doing it and not imagining something?

I don't think I've ever done a chanelling session in which this question hasn't crept into my mind; I have a Virgo South Node, after all. Consider this: perhaps I've never managed to channel spirits at all, and some part of my subconscious brain has always controlled the movement of my hand!

I do not wish to go into a debate arguing the validity of automatic writing, as this was not your original question and may even be considered impertinent to in this discussion. Rather, I will attempt to desribe how I personally distiguish between sessions that seem true or authentic to me, however you may wish to define and understand these terms, and which ones I choose to dismiss.

Usually, when I am in the midst of a session I believe to be successful, I receive the distinct impression that my hand is being guiding by outside forces. It is not a physical sensation so much as a slight perception of something beyond one's physical senses. The closest thing I can relate it to is a magnetic reaction...without physically touching, one force can exert a pull on the other. The force still exists although we cannot see it, and to deny it would be as unimaginable as denying the effects of gravity.

Also, I find that my writing tends to become faster and sloppier if there is something urgent that my higher self or spirit guide wishes to reveal to my conscious self...this is actually when I tend to get my best results. I hope that this satisfies your curiosity :wink:

Aquarian Maverick

[Lapis]

Can I change topic again, please? :)

What does channelling feel like? How do you know when you're doing it and not imagining something?


Ever questioning

hel

hel,

I'm so glad you do ask questions! Please always feel free to ask anything and change topics as often as you want. That's what this thread is for. :)

With channeling remember that there are different levels that can be accessed that then are 'channeled' down into this level or frequency. And as you know, some people channel other beings all together, so this is a complex situation.

All I can speak about is what I've personally experienced. I don't want to channel another seperate being or nonphysical consciousness so that dosen't happen to me. What I am willing to channel is aspects of my Higher or Greater Self. I think that we all do this in varying ways and degrees and that this is going to increase fast.

I've found that at this point I need to talk physically for about 20 minutes or so about spiritual and/or metaphysical type things and that becomes my launching pad! IOW's the more I - Lapis, talk about these sorts of things, the faster I increase my vibratory rate/consciousness/level of perception, until "IT" takes over. IT being channeling. I recently noticed on another thread Buai doing this very thing. He calls it "raving"! :wink: He however can do it through writing which is very good. I'm getting there.

The main way I can tell when I've reached this level is that suddenly the sound of my voice hurts the inside of my head. The sounds reverberate and it's almost too painful sometimes. Makes me feel very heady and spacy. Plus my voice sounds to me as if I've changed physical locations. I have! My voice sounds to me like I'm talking from way up near the ceiling sometimes and when I look down at the floor, it looks to my eyes like its much farther away than normal. It is! Other people have also noticed that my voice sounds different to them too. Like I'm talking through a long tunnel sort of.

The other thing I experience when channeling is that some pretty cool and interesting information effortlessly pours out of my mouth that I, Lapis, hadn't thought of before. The flip side of this is that many times when I downstep back into my slower, normal state of awareness, much of this info I just talked about and knew like the back of my hand, will quickly begin to evaporate! :o Not only will I start to forget much of what I just said, but many times so will the other people in the room who just listened to me talking! This indicates that ALL of us entered an altered or faster state of consciousness while this higher energy was in me....or me in it?!?

It's not enough that you can access this higher level of energy and receive information or knowledge, you must also learn how to maintain this level and hold onto the data after you've slowed back down again. That's hard to do in some cases. Chiron, learing how to walk back and forth across that Rainbow Bridge and not loose anything in the process in either direction!

On the physical side of channeling, I will build up a lot of electrical energy in my physical body to the point that my hair will get static in it and stick out. This used to happen when I'd give readings and natal readings. Not a good look! Plus you zap when you touch anything! You get heady and spacy feeling but eating a little something will help ground you again.

Another common thing is that you really aren't terribly aware of your body below the heart. Interesting huh? Very telling. From the heart area down is sort of just not there but you're extremely aware of SO much above your head or crown chakra.

[Kite]

On the physical side of channeling, I will build up a lot of electrical energy in my physical body to the point that my hair will get static in it and stick out. This used to happen when I'd give readings and natal readings. Not a good look! Plus you zap when you touch anything! You get heady and spacy feeling but eating a little something will help ground you again.


Lapis - a couple of weeks ago I PM'd you with a question asking you if you ever experienced an increase in static electriicity even when the climate was humid. I was zapping everything in my home and it was driving me crazy. I deleted the question to you because I thought it was too stupid. :oops:

Kite

[Lapis]

Kite,

Not even!!! Increased electricity in the physical body is becoming a real issue for more and more people every day. I've had this bad my whole life, but it's increased to the point that its embarrassing and uncomfortable. It can be raining and I'll still have static in my hair and zap things. My poor cats are freaked and jumpy most of the time I start to pet them!

I think Uranus in Pisces and Neptune in Aquarius is causing a lot of this energy in us. Also.....I read recently that extra electricial energy in the physical body is one more of the 'ascension symptoms' which I was so glad to discover.

It's gotten to the point that I often don't open those sensor operated doors at stores. I jump around infront of them and nothin'! I have to wait until someone else comes along and then follow them in because they trigger the sensor that opens the door. You know those new sensors in many of the public bathrooms in stores. The ones that activate the water in the sinks and also the toilets. Yep, you guessed it. One woman was watching me repeatedly trying to get the sink water to turn on. She finally offered to help me and passed her hand infront of the sensor and the water turned on. Know what she asked me? If I'd seen a Priest recently! :| Geeeeza.

I've also heard of people who have electrical problems after they've channeled or expanded their awareness. They'll blow light bulbs when they try to turn lamps on. Good ol' Aquarian energies.

[Arian Maverick]

As always, Lapis is able to answer questions much better than I :lol:

I hope that I'll be able to harness my spiritual energies some day :?

Aquarian Maverick

[Light]

Aqua Mav

As always, Lapis is able to answer questions much better than I

To me, both are equally valid - two entirely different viewpoints but both equally valid.

Also, I find that my writing tends to become faster and sloppier if there is something urgent that my higher self or spirit guide wishes to reveal to my conscious self...this is actually when I tend to get my best results. I hope that this satisfies your curiosity

This may be completely different, or it may be similiar - similar in if it has two legs an feathers it's a bird, type similar! But lately, when I'm writing an assignment, or trying to do a chart, I suddenly get these thoughts (that bit's certainly strange :oops: ) unusual thoughts that fit what I'm doing. My handwriting doesn't change (or no more than usual - it's pretty erratic) but the style does change. Quite dramatically. It's coherent and literate for one thing (still can't spell any better, though :( ). These thoughts start off a bit like when you hear a radio playing in a distant part of the house - it's just a the edge of hearing and when you really concentrate you can't hear it, but unconciously you begin humming the tune? These thoughts are like that - just at the edge of my mind. If I concentrate the idea/flow goes, but if I relax the words just pour out. The ideas are not what I would normally associate with me - unless they are deeply unconcious. Or are they something else?


Lapis

I'm reading the Rainbow Bridge, and it's turning on some lightbulbs! :idea: It's making a tremendous amount of sense. The books, the people I've talked to, the people who have spoken to me, it's all connecting. But, am I imagining it all? I'm zapping things left, right and centre. It's all so confusing :cry: I shall digest your post further, and get back to you with heaps more questions (proabably) :lol:

Thank you again, everyone. You are all a tremendous help. :D

hel

[Lapis]

We have a special place.......we have a special place........wooohooo we have a special place! http://img48.imageshack.us/img48/3533/thankyoupolespinemo8hv.gif Thanks Radu for the Spiritual Realm forum. :mrgreen:

[Radu]

It was AquMav's idea! I just obeyed her instructions.

[Arian Maverick]

It was AquMav's idea! I just obeyed her instructions.

Oh dear, I sound like quite the taskmaster, don't I? Aries aren't known for being pushovers, and my stellium is just about as Arien as it gets! :lol:

It's funny, because when I was younger and first encountered a description of the different zodiac signs, I was in complete denial. I even checked to see if my birthday was on the cusp of either Picses or Taurus and discovered...April 4th/5th is the EXACT midpoint between March 21 and April 19! :mrgreen:

I suppose we just have to accept ourselves the way we are! :wink:

Aquarian Maverick

[Light]

Come on, Lapis & Empath :D

Tell us. Explain/ Share. :?: :D


Excited

hel

[Arian Maverick]

What are we talking about now? I'm confused :?

Aquarian Maverick

[Lapis]

hel141,

:lol: See how sensitive and connected we're getting? So far I've only been thinking about starting a new thread about ETs and the coming Aquarian Age. Empath has mentioned UFOs and I'd like to get into this here because I feel its directly connected with everything else. Is this what you're hinting at and sensing hel? Just give the word and I'll start it. http://img396.imageshack.us/img396/9651/ufoface9ks.gif

[Light]

Of course it is.. :D

Please share.

hel

[johan]

In my "quest" for what Indigo/Cobalt/Wanderer/Octarine/Starchildren/Rainbow and in Dutch Nieuwetijdskinderen(Children of the New Time) are,and the source of these terms(who came up with these names,what is the first written source) and if it had something to do with the chakras,I came up with a lot of contradicting information!
Sunfell says:Indigo's are also called Wanderers,Cobalt or Electric Blue and the awaken Indigo's will have the possibility to transform into Crystals which are also called Octarines.
An article of Starchild Ascension says:First you had the Indigo's who paved the way,than The "New Time Children" who were ment to break up old systems and than finally the Crystal Children who will manifest the new world.
Than there is the AngelUniverse site who talks about Psychic,Indigo,Rainbow and Crystal as categories.
So all very contradictive,not to mention loads of other sites writing different variations.
Also about the timelines when they were born,where they come from(Pleiadians,Orion,ancient civilizations),and what their characteristics are,sometimes about DNA,all very contradictive.
The only thing that they agreed upon is about the names given in relation with the colour of the aura's.
The first written source of the term Indigo is,according to Starchild Ascension,the book Indigo Children,by Lee carroll and Jan Tober And about chakras:most sites say that IndigoChildren have the third eye,the 6th chakra is functioning well,a strong intuition.(Promised to look into it,Hel,the relation between chakras and Indigo/Crystal,but there is way too much contradicting info :lol: ).
And about the relation to astrology:a guestwriter of Radu says that a lot of Indigo Children were born with and near the conjunction of Uranus/Neptune.
Well,all this is way over my head,although I think there must be some truth in it all,despite of all the contradicting information,at least I would like to think that there are children born who, popular said,can help us in some way changing this world :lol: .

[Lapis]

johan,

It can get complicated plus you've got to discern between the different writers/channelers personal take on it all. And there's also the rather normal 'disinformation' injected into this subject which greatly helps to confuse the whole matter, as was planned!

There's a great thread call "Crystal Kids/Indigo Children" over at the "Astrology in the Aquarian Age" forum that you might find interesting johan. There's more synchronicities happening again around this subject, India, ETs, and Chiron it seems! :wink:

[Arian Maverick]

Lapis, I think I should teach you how to provide links between forums...it's a Virgo South Node tradition, after all! :lol:

Crystal kids/Indigo Children (http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1178) is located in the Astrology in the Aquarian Age Board (http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=13)

Arian Maverick

[Lapis]

AM,

Please do! Every time I see a couple words, whatever words!!! in blue and they're links to elsewhere.......I wonder how do they do that? :?

[Arian Maverick]

Lapis, here's a diagram you may find helpful :wink:

label (website address)

Arian Maverick

[Light]

As this is the corner for all things metaphysical, I'm bringing it back..:p :) because, Lapis, I want to know about time shifts :)

From the www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1369 (http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1369) many retrogrades do you have, board. (sorry- I can't do the fancy link, nor access the page which tells me how :o )


Time shifts - yes, but only if I narrow it down. That's how I think, like a constant cross checking, a limiting valve. Perhaps I need to expand the ...wavelenght...frequency...higher vibrations...I now understand what you mean.

and

Yes that's what I've been talking about. It's about us, our ability to speed up or slow down our personal frequency, our rate of energetic vibration, which is what causes us to see/hear/feel/communicate with other beings in other levels of different 'realities'. I won't totally blow this thread with a long post about this stuff, but add for the astrologers that I feel retrograde planets both natally and in transit, open up this ability more than direct planets.

Please?

hel

[Lapis]

hel,

Are you asking about 'Time Shifts' like at your work??? or more in relation to retrograde planets??? or both? :D I'm not totally sure about what you're after here.

For me shifting through 'time' is about knowing that there's a whole lot more going on than simply linear time. Linear time, much like direct planets, is about forward movement and outflowing energies in a pretty narrow and highly focused pathway. About intense focus in what's right in front of you at that moment in time.

Now to me retrograde planets (both natally and transiting) do just the opposite. Or they offer us the opposite energies. They turn us around and off that highly conscious and focused linear pathway in front of us. They show is a different pathway we can travel. This route is non-linear and the focus is more subtle but humming with life and awareness. Through retrograde planets we can acess all that huge area that exists around 'time'. No time. It's everything that always exists anyway, but we don't usually perceive It because we're so focused on those direct in-time energies of outward creating.

I feel that with a lot of natal Rx planets some people have the natural ability to travel that non-linear road much easier. And, because of this, they can more easily experience other realities that exist outside of this linear timeline. It's like being more psychically sensitive to all those other things out there! ;)

These energies, these other realities, other dimensions and other timelines are always there, but when we change the dial of our awareness/our frequency, we can suddenly 'tune into' these other realities. It's much harder to do this if your life/natal is focused on manifesting other things instead. It's simply a different focus. I hope this helps, if not let me know. :)

[Empath]

Hel141 ~ Thank you for reactivating this MOST INTERESTING thread -- I missed it the first time around!

Regarding time shifts, I experience or interpret this as a sense of clock time and meta, micro, and macro time. At its core, time as we commonly know it is nothing more than a count of pendulum swings, gear tics, quartz pulses, and trips around the sun. Since we count these swings and tics and trips, we add them up and mentally order them in a two-dimensional line.

But what are we measuring, really? We cannot encapsulate time. The best we can do is hold on to memories and artifacts of lives gone by. These objects do not hold time, yet they remind us that time has 'gone by'. It marches on. Time waits for no one. Time is ephemeral. It is the wisp that will not be seen. It is a verb yet we desperately try to make it a noun; something we can examine and master. Time, as a entity, does not exist.

So sometimes I can feel the procession of tics and tocs pile up into a metaphoric chunk of time. Sometimes the space between the tics and tocs is a yawning abyss; we often think of this as boredom or being up all night with a cranky infant :o -- but if we took the opportunity to check out the space between the tic and the toc, we see that the abyss is a portal to another realm of experience.

On the other hand, what is a century to a slab of granite? What does time mean to the ant? What does time look like from the perspective of the rock, the tree, the ant, the cloud, the Sun? What are their experiences with time like?

Perhaps what we see as heat of a star is really how we experience their time in our density...

I've had some time bleed-through experiences, when what I am experiencing is happening in different time-space coordinates,yet concurrent to my present experience. It often happens when I am someplace with a lot of energy and energetic events stored in rock and stone. When I go to an old city, I sense and kind of hear and see other people from other eras. Not ghosts; energy signatures of events that are occuring in another point in time. Are these energetic signatures behind me in time or are they ahead of... or am I experiencing them because, at this place, all moments are occurring .

Time has a certain compression quality. If events are used to measure the passage of time, certainly the news cycle these daysrepresents a quickening of time.

All right, it's getting spacey in here and Gracey the kitten has decided that the keyboard s a fascinating place for a snuggle (keeps pawing the Numlock light)....

I gave up wearing watches several years ago. At first I would lose them, or drop them into the washer, or break the crystal.Then watches stopped working when worn on my left wrist (I'm right-handed). I bought better watches and wore them on my right wrist, and they started losing time, weird increments, like 1 hour 18 minutes. Eventually watches could be brand new with a new battery and stop working altogether if worn for a week. So now I don't use watches. The clocks in my bathroom and bedroom is keeping really strange time, off by hours+minutes. I keep resetting the clock in my car, but it keeps 'losing' 2 minutes... sigh...
yet I am very punctual!
Ironically, I was born 6 weeks after the first due date given to my mother. She was told Sept. 26. The doctor was certain that he could not have miscalculated by more than 3 weeks, yet they had to induce me on Nov. 16 (and my mother said i was born a 1-month old) -- and I think I've been making up for it ever since!!

And I get static shocks all the time -- in humid and damp MidAtlantic weather...

[lilllybelle]

I know the indigo children have something to do with the chakras. So at the beginning of time the people born then were the red children and with time we have moved through the chakras all the way to the indigo level. Most of the people on earth right now are of the blue chakra( that doesn't mean that our individual chakras are blue just our collective conscious is mostly blue). We still have one more chakra to penetrate after the indigo the crown chakra, so eventually hundreds of years from now, who knows when, we will have children of the whit light. Lilllybell

[lilllybelle]

So when I posted that last reply I din't realize there were 9 other pages of responses. Lilllybelle

[Empath]

lillybelle,

It's all one long, loopy conversation around here. What I wrote about time are the reflections on time from a Wanderer/Indigo/Crystal perspective!

[Arian Maverick]

So when I posted that last reply I din't realize there were 9 other pages of responses.

This thread is a relic from the past, of the days when the Astrology Weekly Forum did not have nearly as many categories as it does today. Indeed, I believe it was the creation of this thread and its great popularity that inspired Radu to create the Spiritual Realm (http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=21) ;)

Arian Maverick

[Lapis]

hel141,

There you go......Empath covered a lot of territory in her wonderful post. Vibratory rates help determine which 'reality' we perceive as we're sliding up/down, in/out, side to side, or whatever. They're all 'there' all the 'time' anyway, it just depends on how well we can shift energy gears out of this one. And this ability is rapidly becoming an extremely important one to have!!!

"Not ghosts; energy signatures of events happening that are occuring in another point in time."

This is usually what psychic's see, hear, smell, feel etc. I really enjoyed your very accurate post Empath. Thanks.

Since childhood I haven't been able to wear watches either. My mom took a new one she'd bought me for X-Mas (age 9) to a watch repairman and he told her he couldn't repair it because it was totally fused together on the inside! We tried with a couple more watches, a necklace one, another I kept in a pocket instead of directly against my skin.....same problem. I cooked them all, so I too haven't worn a watch of any kind since then.

I discovered that many people who's electromagnetic fields are a bit different ;) have this watch, car altenators, automatic sensores, street lamps, house lamps etc. 'problems'. It's common amoungst psychics, healers, shamans, ETs, Lightworkers, Starseeds, Indigos, Crystals.......anyone who's crankin' out energies at a faster and slightly higher rate. hel, we're back to frequencies and vibratory rates and all that stuff again! :rolleyes:

[Light]

I'm not really sure what I wanted to be explained about time - I just felt it was time to discuss time ;)

We've all experencied elastic time, I'm sure it sppeds up, it slows down it vanishes completely. But how can we do this conciously? How can we expereince the gaps between the tick and the tock conciously? Sorry, I'm going to have to sleep on this one, to get a better understanding of what I mean. :o

But I have to agree with you all about watches! I have one I can wear - but that's only because I bought it for myself. Watches bought for me, don't last beyond a week. Clock's can't keep time, even the radiocontrolled clocks update far too frequently. I fry phones, I fry lightbulbs, automatic doors don't open (that one maybe becasue I'm too short!). In school, I wasn't even allowed in the same room as the computer (back in the days of the TI's when calculators were the size of a house brick!) never mind actually be able to touch it. During my uranus opposition I replaced the lightfitting in my lounge 4 times! Had the electricity supply checked out - it was oK. Either this was because Uranus is travelling though the 4th house, or because I'm sending off far too much energy. I feel it rise, sometimes. As you mentioned, it spirals out. I'll get back to time another time :rolleyes: I must go now.

Thanks all

hel

Ps Lillybell

It's an allover the shop thread. Jump in and change the topic as much as you want. We're allowed to on this thread :cool: :rolleyes: :)

hel

[Lapis]

I'm so glad to see that this old but very interesting thread I started last year has been brought back to life! Thanks charmvirgo.

Personally I don't think the older people have seen anything much from the younger Indigo's as yet, simply because their time is coming.....soon. Here's a couple of great site's with lots of wonderful and helpful information about both Indigos and Crystal adults and children.

www.sunfell.com/indigo.htm

www.starchildascension.org/starchild/

[mathur_dinesh]

Well, In Vedic astrology we do not say that a planet is causing trouble to an individual but we say that a birth chart is a document that shows the karmas that the individual would have to experience in this life. The planets, houses, asterisms and signs are alphabets with which the document is written. An astrologer is a "literate" person who can decipher the document to a limited extent.Only the Supreme can alter the document.

[Menkaure]

What does anyone have to say about the Mayan calender and 2012?

[manuu]

lapis,
i have always been very critical about psycchics,their faculties and experiences.most of them i have come accross are bluffing and fooling others.and there are also those who genuinely believe that they posess abilities but are actualy living in a world of self delusions.
it is very easy to take appart their claimes,piece by piece and expose their folly.such self claimed psychics are many.
then there are those who have genuine psychic faculties...like astral faculties...but they claim to have powers much above their ordinary faculties,powers which operate in higher planes.
lapis,i first came across you in the thread,HOODED BEING.initially i dissmissed you as one of the many self proclaimed psychics.but then i went through your posts in this and some other threads and also your website...and i admit that i had to change my opinion about you.
your words regarding your experiences have credibilty and genuineness.your words are not at all intellectual and technical...but are those of a person who has really experienced certain states of conciousness.anybody can read a few books and give long lectures about occult matters and experiences....all worth nothing without practical experience.what makes your words so genuine and credible is this lack of intellectual language and and a sense that you yourself are not aware of the exact technical occult process invoved in such experiences.you words are that of a person who has been through it ..who has experienced !.
in your site,i saw photograph of a person you call a star being.strangely this face looks very familiar...very closely matches that of a great immortal being,whom we regard and worship as our maha guru .he is known by different
names ,in different occult circles and is next only to one more supeme being of our system.it is only through the mouth of great teachers that we are aware of his existence.i am willing to die the most painful death ,just to have glimpse of this great one.but that will never be....he is too high and i am too ordinary.
lapis,if your star being is this great one ,then you are very very special and one of the very few to have his direct grace...you are then A CHOSEN ONE.
then even to know you through internet is itself a blessing.i have been in this forum for two years...and yet i have not contacted you.....it is two years wasted ...i regret greatly that i doubted your genuineness.
in writing about your experiences,you have brought up many interesting points.
you talk about incarnations of advanced souls..WANDERERS..how their upper chakras are active from birth.you talk about your difficulties in coming to terms
with your physical life ,including your parentage...your feeling that you do not belong here.you talk about your altered states of cociousness,when you loose conciousness of body below heart,and sometimes when you are aware only of the head region.you talk about your trance like experiences in which you find difficulty to remember experiences of higher planes when you come back to physical conciousness.some where you speak of importance of heart and the need to develope positive emotions of love.you also speak about the need TO DIFFERENTIATE BETWEEN OWN INDIVIDUAL THOUGHTS AND THE THOUGHTS FROM OUTSIDE.these points cover very important matters ,for an occult student.an occult student has to face difficult problems in these areas...there are many hurdles which have to be carefully negotiated.
lapis,if you give me your permission,i will write a few things covering this area,in this thread of yours.but only if you agree.
lapis ,there are certain areas,where i need help.till now ,i have ignored them.
i feel that,you may be able to help.one day i will send a personal message...but even for that i need something.......YOUR PERMISSION !.

with regards,
manu

[Moulin]

ok let me be the one to disagree :D:D

Crystal and Indigo children are actually Neomorphs (part human/part nature spirit) whom share an affinity with the dolphins... they have been born since the 50's, admittedly in small numbers then increasing from 70's onwards.

Their task is to help the human evolve and integrate 2012 Universal Energy which will rise again at this time.

The difference being their nature spirit side which allows them to be more at one with the Universal energy which they can tap into at will. This allows them greater clarity and awareness on a deep level.

They are often connected to their highest selves at a low level (gatekeeper level) and they easily evolve spiritually in this life.

Lemuria is very interesting. I have an incredible Lemurian laser wand which is about a foot long. It holds insightful information about the time of Lemuria and of the future of our existence. I have probably only accessed a 10% of it's capabilities - such is it's depth.

Hi Manuu :)

[Lapis]

Manuu,

I just noticed that I started this thread a year ago today! Interesting how the energetic currents direct us around isn't it?

First of all Manuu I want to say thank you for your honesty AND your discernment; two things that are very important to me. You didn't have to publically say all that you did in your above post about how your attitude about me changed. Thank you for that as it means a lot to me.

Like you said, anyone can read different books and turn around and claim to know. Intellectual knowledge about a subject is not comparable to personally living something repeatedly over decades! Again, thank you for your discernment with this too. I have no need to try and impress people by sounding like a collage professor or such; I write about only what I've personally lived myself repeatedly. I want that information/Light available for those rare few who will discern it, who will recognize it, who will be triggered by it. ;)

Now....about that comment you made. I'm NOT "a CHOSEN one". I'm me, a real Lightworker who's a Wanderer/Starseed and has consciously remembered more than most is all.

I'm very curious about which of the 2 higher dimensional Star Beings images I put up on my blog that you're referring to. Is it the Orion male with the black hair or the Pleiadian male with the blond hair?

I'd be very interested in hearing about this sacred Being you call "maha guru" if you'd like to share that information here on this thread I started (on Jan. 30, 2006 ;) ). That and any other information and/or questions etc. would be very nice to have here, so yes please, feel free to share here Manuu. :)

[tsquare]

Akasha interconectedness: The 9 Flows of Time
Present to past
past to present
past to past
present to present=self to self
past to future
present to future
future to future
future to past
future to present

Where are you not?
When are you not?
How are you not?
Who are you not?

To be
to not be
to become
to not become
to have been
to never have been


Goals
Identities
Problems
Percieved
from lower self.

Identification blocks forms of comunication from middle to lower self.
So do locational blockages within and in the matter energy space time universe.
Same as blockages in the universe of the mind......or astral body......
Some opperate without an astral body to live or be within by the disintigration of the structure of it.....they are formless... beyond the prime divisions of tao.

Divide is the decission.

Individuality and coexistance are both lies.



Observation needs no perception.........location is a fixed point in time.....having to do with beingness....identity.....relation to matter energy motion E-motion time space distance
There is being before becoming and becoming before being a thing, and not another.

All is by decission.
Postulate.
choice.
Some is "enforced" yet enforced is an illusion.

From where could an imortatal spritual being experience now?
From where could an imortal spiritual being now, experience now?
Why the lag or difference?
Why the thought, why the lenses of the mind and perception?
lower self is a creation and a terminal, a relation in which to effort in the physical plane......effort is a lower scale activity which harmonics higher scale activity.

"People"=composites- experience all levels simotaniously often.
People live in matricies.
Differentiation of the universes or planes is key to freeing oneself from identifying with ones creations.......or cocreations.....
Differention means seeing for oneself=Direct observation.
Looking and seeing are two different things.
truthing is a verb.
If it can be justified it is a lie.
Logic is the Great Liar.

Waking up is the hardest part.


There is a plane beyond the astral....
The casual plane differentiates in size, spirit to spirit.
All size is a concideration....

From outside of space and time one still is able to percieve the physical...
from outside of space and time one is still able to manipulate the physical...in odd ways from strange angles.

Astral travel is more common then the other forms of "travel".
There is a visible cord that attatches the astral to the physical body.....
within the astral there is also personality, identity, anchors, beingnesses, rolles, modes of expression and behavior, temperance......which effect the physical body as well....imbalences create illness.

Most live within all these universes....not PERSONALLY aware of there being there.....all the universes effect upon one another.......

It is possable to shift from universe to universe by matching harmonic ressonanse.....the universes, planes or bodies are often colapsed in upon one another in many people, as far as a centeral awareness goes or from the point of view of a centeral awareness......a being.......
Buddah is beyond being.
I am
I am not
I both am and am not
I neither am nor am not
yet in many....many believe the destruction or submersion of being will cause enlightenment, through self degradation or a submission of self and it's desire........which is not the way out.
Transending self is not denial of self......
denial of self is below awareness of self as a self or beyond a centralized self.
it is unconcious yet still existent self......which often opperates entity wise instead of with will.....or determenism......
there are lower harmonics that mirror enlightenment....but are an opposite dirrection.....yet all is a circle.

It is a beings goals that give a being its self.....yet beings are owned as much by their goals as much as a being owns it's goals....
goals work fine in a physical universe.....

The zodaic is strings and chains of goals...beings and archtypes.....
one can never see what one is being while one is busy being it....
this is one reason, among many, why exteriorization is usefull.

There are many beings within a being......a composite individual is never just one with themself.......or within themself.....
Some opperate without an astral body(extremely rare!!!!)...they have cleansed their astral body of stain...removed it's fixed identities and beingness through karmic works....through past life, future life, present life works which can be done at present beyond doing as a being.....karma never teaches lessons one can learn...cogntion is a higher form of realization then bad repeating effects.....self abasement is a manifestation of guilt, guilt of having been or done something that went against ones codes adopted since the begining of time or other beginings of time.
Different times have different beginings......
A present time is the best time to do karmic works and cleansings from.....Or one can get lost in the search........much has happened to everyone....many unconfronted effects that are both measurable and beyond.....many have done the most horrific acts as well.
Karmic hunting is not for the weak of stomach....or those that have present troubles.....it is a gradient walk....exponential in its rewards.
What is material is linear.
what is spiritual is exponential.



The zodaic is something worth transending.
People live in matriceis that resemble an onion, many layers.......open up or wake up to higher layers by assension expereinces and one gains ones old possitive abilities, one also atains ones negative forgotten traits and abilities....and here comes the fear of power......
A being will make nothing of iteslf and submerge itself to escape the seemingly unexpressable fury and anguish of losses, they will black it out......and operate at an even lower level of opperation......make self detemented changes......new goals, new beingness, new havingnesses,
to escape the being that they could not confront having been or by the weight of pain developed over a span of time at being a being of it's previous size and power....all the unfinished cycles, unfinished acts....unfinished bussiness catches up on one......that which is unconfronted often acts up in real life when reawakened in funny ways......one recalls parts but not wholes........people turn up and show up that were once known......now new people yet still the events are the same, teh people are the same......overdub on a physcial universe....a game of creation and hiding from a higher operating basis by fear and pain.............................................. .people turn their own backs on seeing for themselves by going spiritually blind and needing a body to see, and hear, and comunicate.........waking up to higher bodies then the astral is difficult yet they are different bodies even if one effects the others.....
yet one never needs a body to dissapear and reapear in the physical universe at will at various locations beyond thought.......the decision is beyond thought.......it is beyond doing...beyond efforting.........
instantanious creation exists as well as shared holographic images and creations...............some are on automatic..........especially durring assension expereinces.......assensions act as triggers to release karma from the pit.......yet they dont cleanse it........responseablity only lies in ones own hands......responsability for ones own creations or even parts of whole cocreations....accept responsability for ones own and one does a partial or at times whole cleanup of the others involved in a cocreation.......
people will get better arround you by your own work on self...........

Assensions are often described as states of hugeness, oneness, allness, yet they are not always described as states of wholeness....some times...not all times........being all being one with all, are common words.....
comon states but are often short lived....people even have assensions on drugs....which often lead to releasses....yet not errasures....there is a difference between a release of karma...and an erassure of karma....A release can move back in on one at another time...lead to a crash and burn phenomenon....shoved in.......squished....small....loss of abilities....an errasure never comes back.....yet other stuff may show up...new stuff.....
like layers of an onion......peeling ones way out and up....

Drugs are useless in the long term in spiritual works and are even used to ones own detriment.....the lead to bypassed problems......overlooked areas on ones being.....areas shot above and beyond.......that one will always crash back too. like a rocket with a bunjee cord attatched to it crashing back to the ground when the weight of the unconfronted comes back in on one....dragging one back down.......many often also use drugs for forms of domination, beefing up the bodies energies....loading the energies into the body.......which is hard on the body.......they can even throw one out of ones body.....yet in a negative way........
People who are cronically ill spend alot of time out of their bodies........

There are universes beyond the casual that have no time....that is why those cant be remembered...the have no percistancies....they are too light and only have "a while" instead of time. They are of a higher level of instant duplication and telapathic activity......force is rarely manifested yet is chalanged.....there are universes in which all do win and there are no loosers......those types of games are concidered a lower form of ethic.


Many pass into higher universes while asleep...that is if outside of their mind....some just dream within the concious mind.....some have erasesd their dreams and see the walls as they sleep........some never leave their body while they sleep.....too much wound up enrgy pinns them down....body does not get adaquate rest.......

conciousness is being unaware of something.....raising conciousness is admerable....yet is not awaring....awaring is a constantly freshly created awareness with no automacies....no not knows.....no hidden datas....it is beyond not know...it is beyond unconciousness..........It is beyond morphic fields....energy fields and matricies........and perception......dirrect instantanious knowing....what would be impossable for concious you to know.

[4leafclovah]

When I was really young, I'd say 4 or 5 maybe, I remember having a conversation with someone in my sleep. I felt like I was in a class, but I heard no voices and saw no one, but I felt the presence of other beings. I was partially conscious when this was going on. All I remember was that I needed to pay attention and I was feeling a little scared. It was like someone was giving me directions. I often wonder if I was scared because I did something bad in my past and was being given directions as part of my karmic mission. Is this possible? Does this sound familiar at all?

[Lapis]

This is very common 4leafclovah and many people are schooled or guided by higher vibrating nonphysical beings while asleep and out of body and 3D. I talked a bit about this on the "Hooded Beings" thread and how I was taught different things by that one being for all of my childhood through to mid 20's I think it was.

You've heard of "Guides" right? It's so much easier for them (and other nonphysicals) to communicate with us when we're asleep for different reasons. One is that far more information/Light can be given to us while NOT in physicality and OOB (out of body). The trick for us is to learn how to retain consciously what we've learned/see/experienced during our night time lives! ;)

No....you didn't do anything "bad". :)

[Moulin]

Guides are great and l am totally where l am right now because they have always been with me consistently from age 0 - now.

My guides and l interact throughout the day though and at night l fly ;)

[Das]

Wow, utterly amazing thread *S*

Lovely to be here!