Gold Diggers

[Shining Ray]

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[Nexus7]

At a wild guess, one component to look for might be a Venus-Saturn link?
Squares with planets such as these between the 7th-12th Houses, perhaps involving the Sun and Jupiter too?

My second guess might gravitate more towards Pluto (with its connection with wealth nd inheritances) and the 8th House. This latter might be more likely where the billionaire is old enough to make inheritance quite likely in the not-so-distant future......

[Kingsley]

Gold diggers = Jupiter in 8th and sometimes Jupiter in 7th, however some associated aspects with other chart points also involved. I have seen this time and time again in charts

k

[Moulin]

LOL!!

I have Jupiter in 7th, Pluto in 8th AND venus conjunct (tight orb) Saturn and i'm about the most unmaterialistic, anti-gold digger person on the planet!!!!

:D

so much for theories

[Kingsley]

so you don't have other benefactors in your life Moulin? Sometimes it is not materialistic devices that one benefits from others. Jupiter must represent something that others in your life bring into your sphere of experience?

k

[Moulin]

Yeah l have an ex husband who wants to hurt me financially until l am literally on the street. Does that count?

so you don't have other benefactors in your life Moulin? Sometimes it is not materialistic devices that one benefits from others. Jupiter must represent something that others in your life bring into your sphere of experience?

k

[Kingsley]

I don't know Moulin, I don't know how jupiter works in your chart. Stealing your assets doesn't sound like jupiter to me.

k

[Moulin]

No it doesn't! You are right ;)

Ok Jupiter in 7th
trine saturn/n node/venus/moon/sun stellium in 3rd
square mars in 4th
square neptune in 10th
conjunct vertex

doesn't sound like a raping to me :D

[smilingsteph]

Maybe I am wrong but,
Would not one need to look at the 8th house for personal assets through a relationship partner?
Or a second house in which one desires the "finer things in life?"
A weak mars- indicating that wealth is easier to obtain through others
A strong mars- getting what you want through the use of others?

[PYXIS]

coffee-

i think i know what and who you are talking about...scorpio 8th...i am no authority on this person, however, do we know anything about this person's 11 house or -12th house of karma?
from what i gather, this one has done alot of good in this world..and has helped many people..many children..and this very well might be a karmic payback.
If i am not mistaken...sometimes the universe works in interesting ways...
I haven't heard of him ever doing much with this vast fortune.


~kindness is the highest wisdom~

[Moulin]

Gosh Pykis, you are so flattering about Miss Mills.
I take it you don't live in the UK :P

I am more interested to know where her manipulative side is in her chart, cos it's an outstanding feature of hers! :D

[PYXIS]

hello Moulin...

no I don't live in the UK, but Heather's charitable nature has interested me.
can anyone see a social worker in her chart?
i can't seem to pull it up.

[smilingsteph]

Could Juno placements indicate a gold digger?
I must say I am not a gold digger, I am however a gold maker...I work very hard for what I do....earned every penny!
I have Juno in Taurus in the second...meaning that I seek in a partnership material wealth for security, and enjoying the material comforts...now with other factors in the chart pointing to my independant streak, this could identify with one wanting to marry for money out of security, possibly?

[Neptune Rising]

I noticed from Ms Mills chart, her 7th house ruler Mercury is in her 2nd house. I don't know how relevant this is. I have the same 7th house ruler placement. I try to be totally self reliant financially. I always attract partners who are fairly wealthy though but I ask them for nothing.

Btw, its amazing the power of the press in the UK! None of us actually know this lady, only the spin thats been put out there.

NR

[Neptune Rising]

Her Mercury in conjunct Sun, which *could* be intercepted in the 8th...her 8th...or gains fom marriage...2nd from 8th.
Not her 1st marriage.

Interesting point that conjunction, and Mercury/7th ruler is mildly combust. Not sure how relevant that combustion is though.

NR

[Kingsley]

I have been back over my charts, and like the Mills chart, a greater percentage of goldigger types indeed had Jupiter in the 7th with Sagittarius on the 8th cusp. So, perhaps the 8th house ruler in 7th or 8th seems to represent that potential. "Sugar Daddy's" would seem to be Zeuss like or indeed have some kind of value to offer. One past relationship of mine, showed her Jupiter in Gemini on the 8th cusp close to the nodes. I had no monetary or assett value whatsoever. She did however thirst knowledge and many months of constant discussions seemed to be great value to her.

When I stopped giving her one of the things she seemed to value in me, her capricorn Moon in 2nd took over. She claimed that our relationship could continue as long as I put $100, 000 of assetts on the table. I said to her, "yes, well even if I did that, next you will be saying we can only have a relationship if I grow some hair back"

Gold digger is a derogetory phrase and perhaps one might best look at ones expectations in relationships, "what compatabilities we have in common" or "what I need in you to be able to continue being more me" There is a kind of dependancy or reliance involved and perhaps professional gold digging is more manipulative than accidentally incurring great wealth through relationships.


Mills has a very interesting chart if its accurate. Moon opp Venus tends to be relationships for the sake of relationship. She is a beautiful woman that is for sure, but nurturing? Perhaps Sir Paul thought all his pain would be released with her? It turns out they are both a nightmarish learning lesson for each other and its high time they did some learning. Spanking them!

k

[PYXIS]

kingsley, you are so funny...
well, it will be interesting to see what she does with the $55 mill..if that is the settlement. (this is what has been reported in the media)
I think this woman has been given a bad rap...I am not impressed with McCartney at all..I believe that people who are blessed with all he has been given should give back..this might be a karmic scenario...for both people.
we'll see.

[Moulin]

well, to be fair l never would be negative about someone if l wasn't sure what l was saying had truth.

You don't know if l know her or not, and it's not relevant. She is a manipulative woman though, trust me. VERY smart and very capable of glueing rose-tinted glasses to all of our eyes.

I agree however that Paul does not seem to have done much but then there are stars whom donate and give to charities secretly, wanting no gratification for it.

[Neptune Rising]

..I believe that people who are blessed with all he has been given should give back...

absolutely, it keeps the flow of energy going, otherwise things stagnate and we get this incredible imbalance in the world

NR

[Kingsley]

McCartney seems to attract pain and attention in his life. He certainly seems to pay the price for his emotional attachments. His Mother died of breats Cancer when he was 15 (chiron opp natal Moon chiron), Linda McCartney died breast cancer 1998 ish when Chiron square Moon and opp natal Venus. And now, Mills is having a go while Eclipse and Chiron is opposite his natal Moon again. Sort of an anniversary of pain if you like. Watch out when Chiron goes over the eclipse point for something special in his direction.

Check out my short blog on grieving and McCartney.

k

[PYXIS]

absolutely, it keeps the flow of energy going, otherwise things stagnate and we get this incredible imbalance in the world

NR


yes, we do not always know who gives to charity and who does not, one might give alot to charity, but when people sit on 1.6 billion $$, I find it inconsiderate to the rest of the world...how much $$ does one need?
i will say for miss mills, it is known that she has worked with handicapped people , land mine removal, and animal causes....whenever one throws this kind of energy into the universe, it has to be a good thing...intention is very important...even to give to charity, and it doesn't go exactly where we expect it to, is a admirable intent....and intentions are very powerful.


My jupiter is in aries 7th house, and the only thing i have ever dug for is spiritual knowledge.



~kindness is the highest wisdom~

[smilingsteph]

How funny I like how you put what you "dig" for!!!
I dig for the happiness of the group as a whole....Like peace....
I also dig for the underdog...those that cannot voice their opinions...

[Lin]

To look at what the chart of one of the most infamous gold diggers in history looks like, check out:
Adolf Hitler

Adolf Hitler astrology chartHe was born on April 20, 1889, at 6:30 PM LMT, in Branau Inn, Austria.
LIN

[smilingsteph]

Ohh good find! I did not even think about him!

[Charm]

I have Jupiter in Taurus in house7. I am not a gold digger. But I think that the reason so many of them have it house 7 is because this placement denotes financial gain through partnership/relationship. It also indicates a partner who might be older, or more established or even a foreigner. It has manifested more for me as dating foreigners, which I prefer.

[Nexus7]

OK - how about Sun in the 7th?

I understand that Lady Diana's ambition from a very early age had been to marry her prince. So here, the gold might have been a factor though probably, it was royal status that had the greater attraction. It might have been a pity too that she did not realise what being a consort might demand of her.

I am no royalist by the way, but it does seeom in this conext that the Sun could do as well as Jupiter for looking for a gold digger.

[Kingsley]

Maybe someone like her father Nexus? Someone else with the 'identity' rther than her.

k

[Nexus7]

'Maybe someone like her father Nexus? Someone else with the 'identity' rther than her.'

Well, she may have been looking for a father figure, she was only 19 when she married him. In traditional marriages, the woman was expected to be moulded by the identity of the man she married, even to the extent of taking his name in full.

But I was thinking more in terms of a particularly solar kind of gold digging, where it is the stamp of royalty or presidency that attracts. For exampl, who would know te cahrt of a Jackie Onassis? Or an Eva Peron (like Dian, Peron became a massive icon in her own right, easily 'eclipsing' the husband's role - which from what I gather, was not much appreciated by Charles, in the case of Diana. Wherein the danger of the 7th House Sun for the partner. (I once attended sm discussion groups run by man with a 7th House Sun. There were supposed to be about a variety of topics, but in fact, somehow all the discussion led to him and got to be all about him. I did not particularly dislike the guy, but was did notice the way this configuration played out.)

Failing any chance of snaring your prince, I suppose then there is always room for a little 'kiss and tell' instead as a claim to fame - here Monica Lewinsky might come to mind. There again, I do not know the details of her chart, but it might be interesting to know.

[Moulin]

Yes, she had a poster of him above her bed at school.
It was their grand parents who set it up though, in the end ;)

OK - how about Sun in the 7th?

I understand that Lady Diana's ambition from a very early age had been to marry her prince. So here, the gold might have been a factor though probably, it was royal status that had the greater attraction. It might have been a pity too that she did not realise what being a consort might demand of her.

I am no royalist by the way, but it does seeom in this conext that the Sun could do as well as Jupiter for looking for a gold digger.

[laliqueviolin]

I am going to go back to the basic and say the signs and houses may play a bigger role than aspects. Aspects could mean How ruthless, how persistent, and how active would they be to get their gold. So perhaps it is all in a matter of their own willpower and drive?

As for the signs and houses, notably Taurus, Capricorn, Cancer and Scorpio, Leo and Libra value money in different ways, but only because I see them who strongly desire money more than any other signs. As for houses, definitely 2nd(value), 5th(gambling), 7th(binding contracts PRE-NUPS), 8th(inheritance/life insurance?), 10th(ambitions, power), 11th(wishes, attaining goals) and 12th(secrecy).

My first candidate is Capricorn, for they are usually financially keen and it's literally in their bones. Whether they are evil gold diggers or good gold diggers, they seem to have an early mature bone to know what money means to them. Power, security or both. It's questionable if they do it out of motive or out of genuine love, but when money is involved, it's always the former, isn't it? They seem to be VERY accepting and responsible of what money usually entails. Money doesn't scare Capricorns. I think they may have invented money, in fact. Interests, anyone?

Also... Many of the self-made million, billionaires are very old within their age. Who else do you think could actually prefer a much older man/woman? It's usually in that preference of Capricorns.

I could go on about the other signs, but I won't, so I'll cut to the famous gold diggers that I know :)


Donald Trump's wife: Melania Knauss.

She has a LOT of Taurus and her moon is in Capricorn. I really don't know about you, but if I were to marry a bill or a millionaire, I'd be scared out of my mind the issues money would cause. How do the spouses know they won't cheat for another with that kind of status and power? I guess the difference when it comes to gold-diggers is, they have a backup plan to sue and wipe clean of their bank account.

As someone previously mentioned here, Anna Nicole Smith is another.

...and can't think of any more right now.

[Miss Saturn]

What was Heather Mills transits like when she got her millions. I will go have a look and see what I can find. Not sure if anyone knows.

[Miss Saturn]

I just looked at Heather Mills chart but it doesn't have a birth time. I am not sure of time she got her money but I think transiting Jupiter might have been on her Capricorn Sun. There is a big Storm as I am typing this, Heather Mills knows I am talking about her :D . Heather has Venus square Jupiter and trine Saturn.

[deanna]

Greetings!

I dated a Taurus Rising for 2 years. He use to hate being without money. It was very important for him to appear as if he did have money (He would return all his Christmas clothes in order to buy one expensive sweater with the label on it) I remeber getting him a $50.00 gift certificate for his birthday once and he looked at me as if I gave him a bag of dirt.

He left me for a dentist who did have money. No big deal. Dating him was a little pressuring - the big cheap jewelry he would get me so I could look as if we were rich was getting kind of strange. (It was the 1980s and boy those earrings were big back then)

If you read about Taurus rising money is very important to them – even thought they would not like to admit it. NOW I am a Taurus Sun, do I look for money in other people? No-my friends are from all levels of the pay scale-(and some have no pay at all!) :)

Is a rich man more attractive than a poor man? No-It’s all about character.

One man friend in my life is a millionaire; my other man friend does not even own a car – (oops –maybe that’s my Gemini in the 7th house that’s causing that):38:

BUT life is best when I don’t have to count my own change or break open the piggy bank to get a cup of coffee.

-De

[NeptuneAscendant]

Materialism or "gold-digging" would probably be caused by the Sun, Moon, or Ascendant being Taurus or Capricorn. Taurus looks for money for security. Capricorn looks for money for status.

[Mimi]

Guys i have a question. I have Venus in Capricorn as ruler of my AC. Ruler of my 7th is Mars in Scorpio placed in 2nd house. I also have Juno on the cups of my 2nd. Both rulers of 2nd house are in 2nd house. Ruler of MC is Moon in Capricorn, conjunct Venus and sextile Mars. And, i have Jupiter in Cancer on MC, trine Mars, Pluto and Juno (all in 2nd). I am Sag Sun myself, Libra rising, but i have 5 planets in Cap, including Moon and Venus. Would you say that i'm potential gold digger? But please, be honest.

[SagiCap]

Capricorn looks for money for status.

I have Capricorn rising and I can tell you, I think all the fakery about "status" and "privelege," even corporate hierarchies and class systems, and the people who assume they are superior because of it, etc.,.... is a big crock of you-know-what. It disgust me to no end. I really hate this stereotype and can truthfully say, I'm a Cap rising that does not operate on that agenda. I don't even care how much money I make, as long as I feel comfortable for a trip or two a year, can pay my rent and go out to dinner when I feel like it. Maybe I'm not typical, but I don't think *one* astrological placement should ever be read as typical to all.

[PersephonesDawn]

Guys i have a question. I have Venus in Capricorn as ruler of my AC. Ruler of my 7th is Mars in Scorpio placed in 2nd house. I also have Juno on the cups of my 2nd. Both rulers of 2nd house are in 2nd house. Ruler of MC is Moon in Capricorn, conjunct Venus and sextile Mars. And, i have Jupiter in Cancer on MC, trine Mars, Pluto and Juno (all in 2nd). I am Sag Sun myself, Libra rising, but i have 5 planets in Cap, including Moon and Venus. Would you say that i'm potential gold digger? But please, be honest.


Well, are you a gold digger? I mean, I feel like experience would be the greatest indicator of it. It is no lie that Capricorn looks for status and is ambitious, and is an Earth sign, so therefore materially-inclined, but that could also mean you hoard books (Capricorn loves knowledge), or you look for a partner that knows how to play the stock market. Capricorn is about respecting what works, what's stood the test of time (hence the rulership by Saturn), so that doesn't automatically have a thing to do with being a gold digger, which can be reflective of fleeting goals and opportunities for a short-term end. That doesn't seem very sustainable, which is the objective of Capricorn; unless you find a situation in which you won't get "caught" and the person doesn't suspect you of gold-digging. Yet there is an element of ruthless and manipulation to that and I wouldn't give that to Capricorn, especially with the associated concerns of Capricorn with building a solid foundation and thus reptuation. It is way too complex to reduce Capricorn to the potential for gold-digging, and too independent.

[PersephonesDawn]

Materialism or "gold-digging" would probably be caused by the Sun, Moon, or Ascendant being Taurus or Capricorn. Taurus looks for money for security. Capricorn looks for money for status.


This seems much too simplistic. First of all, placements don't cause behaviors. Unless of course you believe we are all just robots to our star placements without any choice in the matter and that the placements can count for the whole of our being. Secondly, attributing the tendency to gold-digging to a causal relationship between Sun, Moon, or ASC and its sign placement alone ignores the complexity of the chart, and all of the factors which must be considered before determining a personality indicator.

[Mimi]

Well, are you a gold digger? I mean, I feel like experience would be the greatest indicator of it. It is no lie that Capricorn looks for status and is ambitious, and is an Earth sign, so therefore materially-inclined, but that could also mean you hoard books (Capricorn loves knowledge), or you look for a partner that knows how to play the stock market. Capricorn is about respecting what works, what's stood the test of time (hence the rulership by Saturn), so that doesn't automatically have a thing to do with being a gold digger, which can be reflective of fleeting goals and opportunities for a short-term end. That doesn't seem very sustainable, which is the objective of Capricorn; unless you find a situation in which you won't get "caught" and the person doesn't suspect you of gold-digging. Yet there is an element of ruthless and manipulation to that and I wouldn't give that to Capricorn, especially with the associated concerns of Capricorn with building a solid foundation and thus reptuation. It is way too complex to reduce Capricorn to the potential for gold-digging, and too independent.

Well, no, i am not a gold digger. But i admit that i have high standards in men. I speak about all aspects. I like men who know how to deal with problems and who are ready to work on themselves, those who are working to be above average in everything. But, i also work on myself, and i know i have a lot to give to the other side.

[PersephonesDawn]

Well, no, i am not a gold digger. But i admit that i have high standards in men. I speak about all aspects. I like men who know how to deal with problems and who are ready to work on themselves, those who are working to be above average in everything. But, i also work on myself, and i know i have a lot to give to the other side.

Well, if you are not a gold-digger, why are you worried that you have the potential to become one? I swear, the nature of Capricorn is such a paradox to me, sometimes. So much worry and anxiety about things that never come to pass, and yet you spend so much time worrying about it, it seems like its always on the horizon. If you don't want to be a gold-digger, you won't become one! With so much Capricorn, you have the immense capacity to decide for yourself who you are and what you do. A Cardinal Earth Element: Direct Action with Material Results. Basically, if you want to be a gold-digger, you'll become one, you know why? Because as you said, you work on yourself (with a Capricorn Moon, I would expect nothing less), and you can work on becoming whatever it is you want. Moreover, do you hear your attitudes towards men? Girl you just have high standards. Good for you. If anything, what's beating you up here is your Capricorn Moon. I'd suggest keeping a journal, noting every accomplishment and mood of each day, and build a sense of who you are in a concrete way, to get a clear picture, and trust that you know yourself. You're putting yourself through some misery; Capricorn power is founded upon the ability to see things to their ends, the forest through the trees, don't doubt this! You want a man of quality, and you know what, a man of quality is a man who knows his own quality, and a man who knows his own quality, is going to do well for himself in his career, and he is going to make enough money to take care of himself, and then some. And you know what, you finding that attractive isn't wrong! I mean, it makes complete sense to me. You're not a gold-digger. Gold-diggers use people; they don't care about what's inside or where the money comes from, just that it's there. You're not going go run off with a loaded drug dealer I'm sure of it, but if he is the CEO of a Green Construction Organization, hey... right up your alley I'm sure and I haven't even seen your chart, I just know with all that Capricorn anything to do with the earth, sustainability, building, and leading, is going to rev your engine. The money in the bank is just the gravy. Besides, you can also see it as a reflection of your own self-worth. You want someone who lives up to their fullest potential, and money can often be a concrete signifier of that, but you also intend to find the full package. You see your own sense of value reflected back to you when you find yourself attracted to men who value themselves and what they put out into the world.