Ceres: The Great Mother

[joannski3]

Arian,

I haven't really studied my yod, I don't know how it manifests itself. The asteroids are really important, actually. I blew them off to, but my mentor is actually a famous astrologer here in the U.S. and he pretty much showed me how invaluable their info is, but I had my doubts the way you did.

If you want to PM or post your birth data, I'd be more than happy to PM you back my thoughts on your Ceres, and inform you of your other major asteroids. Ceres, the mother by progression can mean you literally are becoming pregnant, for a woman, and my astrologer has proof of this on his page from clients (names remain anonymous of real clientele).

to paraphrase, these are findings from his research, this is his website:
http://www.neptunecafe.com/Ceres.html

I can provide detailed birth info of the client if you want, but she had Gemini sun conjunct Ceres natally, this conjunction seeks to be a parent naturally. Initially, she wasn't able to concieve when she first went in for her consultation. she had a good grasp of astrology and couldn't figure out why she couldn't concieve. Jupiter by transit was conjunct her Leo moon. Her moon natally was also well aspected, forming a trine to her Jupiter-Neptune conjunction natally, as well as sextiles to her Sun and Saturn.

The obstacle turned out to be progressed Ceres applying a challenging square aspect to Pluto in 12th house. the short version, without going on into a lengthy discussion of what was going on- if you would like to take a guess here's a pop quiz: natal Pluto in 12th house also formed sesquisquares (135 deg) to Venus and Mars natally. When the Ceres progression completed the square to natal Pluto, it went on to form an inconjunction (150 deg) to BOTH progressed AND natal Jupiter! This was when she and her husband were blessed with their first child. Also at this time, transit Jupiter was squaring her natal Ceres, and Transit Ceres was also conjunct her Midheaven.

Astrologers, note the difference: Jupiter to her moon did not work. Jupiter to Ceres did, and Jupiter to Ceres did(EDIT: should read Jupiter to Ceres did, and Ceres to Jupiter Did!!) !!

David Letterman had Ceres by secondary progression conjunct his sun exact when he became a father, but no other planet in his chart gave any kind of indication he was becoming a dad at the time. Letterman's transit was a once in a lifetime event. Of course other things such as Transit Uranus in 5th house, especially if conjunct moon can indicate pregnancy, but Ceres- and I guarantee if you do some googling you will be able to confirm this- Ceres is positively correlated with indicating a child.
**I can find the data for when Letterman had his first child at 56 and his natal data if you wish to look up the same info. I apologize right now for being too lazy to post all the references, but would be glad to do so for anyone who wants to seriously study this further***

Angelina Jolie also has Ceres active in her chart as Ceres also deals with food- and Angie is very active in her humanitarian efforts to help the starving children. However, get this: we all know how Angelina Jolie did a complete 180, literally marrying Billy Bob with blood vials to becoming "addicted to children" I'm so glad you brought this up, Arian, and sorry for going off topic here, but guess what Angelina's chart was doing after she married Billy Bob?
Angelina's progressed Midheaven in 2000 was forming a conjunction with her natal Ceres in rock solid Taurus. Her reputation and professional life (progressed midheaven) was now anchored to the Ceres archetype, giving her respect for a more traditional lifestyle, and became interested in having children.

Back to her Ceres being in Taurus. I mentioned how Ceres is associated with food, in Taurus providing the necessities in life, Angelina donates 1/3 of her paycheck to charity, and much of her work is for starving children

This is way off topic, but I wanted to show you case studies where Ceres has been able to show solid correlations with parenthood. Pay attention when Uranus aspects Ceres by transit, or Jupiter if you are planning the pregnancy, and check to see the aspects Ceres makes by progression, and also the aspects progressions make if any to your natal Ceres, including the MC and Asc.

Juno is also an indicator for partnership, many astrologers mistakenly use Venus to predict marriage, but Juno indicates this much in the same way you look to Ceres for parenthood. However, you need to have Saturn and 7th house connections with the partner in order for the relationship to have any long-term potential.

I'd be happy to take a look at your chart and tell you about your Ceres, I've bragged a bit about my new solar fire on a couple of posts, but I would only use it to erect the chart, I would give it my personal analysis.

I hope I can make you into a believer, and maybe a couple of others too. Don't let those asteroids intimidate you, they are the feminine archetype, and I think SUBCONSCIOUSLY they've been put on the backburner because they are female archetypes. Think about it. Its much more fun to play with the male energies like Mars and Pluto and Uranus. Sure, we have Venus but I said SUBCONSCIOUSLY because I didn't want anyone out there to think i was calling them sexist; I was guilty of it to until my mentor shared with me his case studies.

Again, I didn't post all the dates, birthchart info, but if anyone would like to see it for themselves, I'd be happy to get the information again and post it for you all

[VenusInAries]

Hi Joan - loved your post will send you a pm later actually going out the door but wanted to give a quick reply that i loved your post - as far as yods and asteroids go to be honest I haven't done alot of studies on them (my expertise I have over 100 charts is on serial killers - when they kill why they kill ect) and we did not discuss asteroids amongst ourselves that much only talked about the true yod perse - but I do agree that asteroids are very important

- as far as ceres when it comes to food I have noticed a lot of charts of aneroxics and bulmics that have ceres issues going on -

And yes Juno I knew about marriage they always say look to a man's venus to know what type of woman he likes but I always find his juno to be more accurate -

I do have to run but wanted to absolutely agree on the importance of asteroids I acutely feel my chiron conjunct venus in the 6th as well as my vesta conjunct merc in the 8th house - but in all honestly never studied their affects in a yod nor gotten the veiws of my astrologer friends on them pertaining to a yod :)

okay mars in sag here has to run bbl and will pm :) take care

[VenusInAries]

oh and ps I dont know if solar fire gives interpetations or just runs charts just to let you know and this might show my amatueruness however you spell that but I just do charts old school by the math and drawing them out myself if I have to do one for the sake of this site to show it I use astro.com but I do the math myself ect and the interps are just from me :) anywho my ceres is 9 aqua in the 4th only aspects it makes is sextile venus and trine to merc :)

[joannski3]

Aaaawww, thanks, Venus :-) can you let me know your full birthdate info? I like to look at the whole chart and get a feel for it. I also like to see it because then I can see what signs and houses the aspecting planets are in, what they are doing, because they will share that energy when aspecting Ceres.

What a neat synchronicity that you are studying serial killers...if you search threads for serial killers, I posted a question last summer a while back because I remember a roomate I had back in college had a book written about astrology and Serial Killers, and it went on to analyze a bunch of charts of criminals.

Most of the case studies were Geminis, and interestingly, the second highest number of murderers were Sagittarius, which is the polar opposite of Gemini... hmmm... i'm sure you don't have the exact same people studied in your research, but does your data correlate similarly? I can see the Gemini in being some sort of sociopath, leading a double life. Take that horrible man, I think he was a SAG but I could be wrong- ah! I can't remember the name. The very handsome man from Washington that killed the sorority women in Florida. Ted Bundy? Someone like him appeared so charming and warm. Even the judge made a ridiculous statement, like " you could have made a good lawyer" or "its too bad you didn't become a lawyer" expressing DISAPPOINTMENT that Ted Bundy didn't go to law school, he spoke as if it were a loss to the scholars in law circles! I want to say he was a SAG, so charming but that's kind of a Gemini theme, having two sides, but Sagittarius is related. They can be quite the charmers when they need to be.

Also, its funny how some of these killers manifest their signs. Take for instance the infamous Charles Manson. He was a SCORP - like myself ;-) . Mr. Manson never actually did he killing himself, like a nasty scorpio, he instead MANIPULATED others TO KILL FOR HIM! I mean, if that's not scorpio, i don't know what is!

Are you by chance familiar with this book? I have searched and searched for it, and no where have I found it. I look in websites for books, for astrology, books AND astrology, and because I can't remember title or author, none of my searches yield any results. this is sad because the book is so cool. If you know the one I'm talking about, I would be so happy to find out the title and/or author(s)

Want to know what else is neat? My mars is in SAG also! is that how we manifest it? kind of like the ADD syndrome, impatience, little hyper, flighty? I always wondered where the Gemini in my chart was hiding, but I guess its hiding in my Mars :-)

thanks so much for the props, it was very nice of you, now that you have stroked my ego, i'm more than happy to look at your chart:p , just remember to send me the birthday, time and location to plug n play in solar fire for fast interpretation

You said you are a beginner and are figuring out charts by hand?!?! Holy Baloney! Why would you go to such lengths?! That is impressive. I never learned how. I was always stellar at math, but I just didn't have the patience to sit there and read the book to teach me how to do it. I'm sure i could figure it out, I would just have to find out how to manually figure out the exact ASC and houses. Otherwise its easy to look up planets in the ephemeris and just insert them.

Its also impressive to be studying complete charts of serial killers as a beginner. How long have you been studying ? I'd be interested to read some of your work. How did you meet your famous astrologer friends? sorry for being so nosey, I'm just fascinated with everything you said because i can't believe you are new! How new is new? Did you know the astrologers before deciding to study astrology?

I started that way, sort of. I began as a client paying for a consult, then he saw my chart and kindly offered to mentor me if i wished, that we had some nice mentor/apprenticeship connections. For instance his sun is conjunct exact my midheaven

[VenusInAries]

hee hee sorry had to chuckle at your post I have mars in sag oppose merc in gemini so there was something in the way you conversed that that opposition found appealing lol.

Oh I am not a beginner ( consider myself amatureness because I never claim to know it all..will always be a student) lol I have studied for over 18 years taken classes apart of the Arizona Astrology Assoc. - taken the test ect.. and that is where I got started doing charts by hand - when my friends in the Astrology Association told me that apart of taking the astrologer test to be certified was showing you could do the math and doing the charts on your own I started that way over 18 years ago so really it's not a big deal I can almost do them in my head now at least enough of it to get an overall picture until I can get a chart done..

The serial killer stuff I have has taken years to get and go thru ect and I really don't focus on a sign perse that they are - I have noticed that all the serial killers but one (richard ramirez..personally dont' think he ever would have been one if it weren't for drugs and influences from his uncle) anyway they all have stressful stuff going on with their mars saturn and pluto -sadistic to say the least - and as far as Ted Bundy he had very stressful aspects with mars saturn and pluto and when he killed I noticed transiting moon aspects to those stressors are what set him off - the other killers that take longer in between their kills had slower moving transits with the moon setting things off when they killed and with what info I could get on the victims the victims had very similar aspects going on with their charts and created interesting composites with their killers so that is the sort of stuff I look at not really much on what sign they were sorry :( I could go on and on about why Jeffrey Dahmer ate his victims ect from his chart - any who I will pm ya my birth info no problem :)

Oh I haven't studied Charles Mansons chart in to much detail sorry guess I consider him more of a mass murder not serial killer - charts are different for them - but yes lol that does sound like a scorp way to do it lol ..hopefully this made sense my cat had to be in front of the screen the whole time lol :P

[joannski3]

Venus,

we are going to get kicked off for going so far off topic, but I want to add a snipet- BRAVO and kudos to you for noticing the moon! Do you look at progressed moon or transit? I always look at progressed moon when it comes to timing an event. If you don't already, look up in your ephemeris (again) times in your life, or anyone else's for that matter when major things happened, you will see that the progressed moon is always doing something!

I'd like to learn how to do the charts by hand, alas, its my small attention span. My mentor lives in another state, but maybe when we meet up next time he can show me how to write the charts up by hand.

you are in AZ? or just went to school there? i'm in LV, NV i love going to arizona for short weekends. i've never been to an astrology conference nor tried to take the test, i don't really study in a conventional way, i'm very disorganized, not too methodical. But i'm trying to get serious about it now as my progressed lunar return approaches and saturn return looms ahead!

Part of the reason i want to pracitice more is to be sure i'm comfortable with natal charts and transits, progressions, mastering the basics. Take a look at my post in the forum policies and procedures, i had an idea for an activity to help us 'practice' will PM you back with your info on your asteroids prob this weekend when i'm off from work.

Joanna

[Arian Maverick]

Hello everyone :)

I have created this thread with joannski3's permission to serve as a continuation of a discussion begun in Yods!? Did you know this???........ (http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?p=61405); I have moved some of the posts over from this thread so we can continue to develop and expand upon this topic.

Arian Maverick

[starlink]

Hello Joansski, I am very pleased to see a knowledgable astrologer enter this Forum and you even made me curious about Ceres. Have NO idea where it is in my chart and even less about what it means, but maybe in the course of these posts I will have a better idea about it. Will start looking for my Ceres now. Cheers, Starlink

[starlink]

Hi again, well according to my Solar Fire programm, Ceres in my chart falls in my 5th house in Aries at 9° and exactly semi-sextiles Pallas at 9° Pisces in my 4th. Ceres conjuncts my Venus at 12° Aries and trines the ruler of my Ascendant Pluto at 11° Leo. Does this show that I am terribly fertile? (I am you see, I hardly had to try to become pregnant LOL!!).

Juno 1° Capricorn trine my Mercury at 2° Taurus . Vesta at 21° Taurus, opposing my Jupiter at 23° Scorpio and Ascendant at 25° Scorpio. Vesta falls in my 6th house. No idea how to interprete all these, but I did made some notes once about these 4 (after Kaiousei brought my attention to them, he LOVES them) and will get them out of the box and look at them with more interest. Star.

[lillyjgc]

Hi all- interesting topic:
Here's a link for those who are exploring ceres.

http://en.mimi.hu/astrology/ceres.html

Cheers, lillyjgc

[enigmas]

Hi Joannski3!

Could you tell mi something about my ceres? He is in my 8.hose at 11 degrees of Taurus. And makes square with venus in 5.house.

[LoneStar]

Joannski... your passion for astrology just *beams* and *emanates* throughout your posts!! I can feel your excitement for astrology truly shine through!!! :sunny:

This has been a very interesting thread...

I'm going to go play with my chart and find my Ceres now.
I think she's hidden in the 12th for me...
which makes me sad :( ...I don't know why she's hiding... ?

[Kaiousei no Senshi]

No idea how to interprete all these, but I did made some notes once about these 4 (after Kaiousei brought my attention to them, he LOVES them) and will get them out of the box and look at them with more interest.

Glad I could point you to them! And yes, I do love the Quartet. ^.^

Thanks for including that link to all of those articles (I'm reading through them all myself now, some of them I think I've read already), however, I feel I should warn people. Obviously, any article that claims the Quartet are somehow less effective in the charts of men needs to be shot. By that same token we can assume Mars, Saturn, Jupiter, Sol, Uranus, Neptune, and Pluto must be less effective in the charts of females, and we know that's not true. Also, any article that attempts to persuade you that the Quartet are all exclusively feminine is also wrong, there isn't much feminine about Pallas (which actually brings out an interesting pattern, why are all the air planets androgenous in some fashion?).

[joannski3]

:p Hi everyone!

I'm so happy to have turned a couple heads, it feels good to generate interest in something new, especially if it was something you didn't really care too much for.

I am posting right now my analysis of Arian's Ceres, and its open of course for anyone to talk about. I don't mind helping others find their Inner Mothers as well, but Venus is next in line, and after that I'll just go look from the top of the post, see who was first

Just have one request. Its easier for me to plug and play your birthday info into my solar fire software, pull up a wheel and look at your chart rather than read the names of the planets and the degrees. I'm naturally a more visual learner and although I'm seeing what you typed in, it feels like i'm *listening out loud* because I'm reading. If you share your birth info, the time, date, and location of course I can type it in and have your wheel up in less than a minute.

OK -- So lets start the lesson PART I and talk about what Cers means and symbolizes and then I'll post up Arian's chart next (Just to tease her I know she's waiting ;-) ). I didn't sleep last night, after working (i work nights) I went home and studied Arian's wheel so I'll be quick so I can get to bed and read your comments tomorrow.

Ceres is nicknamed the Great Mother because that is exactly who she represents in our charts; our inner mother. Everyone has this instinct, and its especially important for people who may not of had the most nurturing, loving childhoods or may of had a great father figure but mother was either absent or perhaps abusive. In any case, if you don't have a mother or female role model in your life its important to learn how to nurture yourself.

I actually recently started devoting more time to Ceres because my astrologer friend and mentor strongly advised me to do so- I was recently hired at a new job after a very taxing year, especially difficult from the fall till new years, but it was all in all a very large snowball that kept rolling and rolling.... and rolling........still rolling......

Its a long story, but the short version is I have a new job, and I had to fight for it in order to keep it. My job really depended on me staying healthy not just physically but emotionally too. When my nerves act up, the negative energy manifests itself into physical ailments in my body. I needed to find Ceres and learn how to nurture myself so I could take care of my heart, body, and mind and I hope to turn the light switch on for others too so you all can take care of yourselves too!

All the 4 major asteroids (or minor planets) represent 4 different woman relationships, i'll list them all here just so you can have a quick outline, but the asteroids are important because they are the female archetype inside us all. Only recently have astrologers been spending more time with them, but they are equally important as the planets, and can be used to predict important, life changing events.

The four woman relationships are:

1) the Mother-- Ceres, our topic today for discussion :-)
2) the Daughter-- Pallas Athene
3) the Sister-- Vesta
4) the Wife-- Juno

In order to type up a quick summary, the following is paraphrased from the best introductory book on the Asteroids (in my opinion), "Asteroid Goddesses: The Mythology, Psychology, and Astrology of the Re-emerging Feminine" (yay! woo-hoo for our femine side!!) Authors:
Demetra George & Douglas Bloch

Ceres is symbolized in astrology by the sickle-- the gift of agriculture. She represents unconditional love, the love that is naturally passed from mother to infant. She is best depicted by the signs Cancer, Taurus-Scorpio polarity, and Virgo

Cancer- as ruler of cancer she represents the archetype of the universal mother. How we recieve and give nurturance, how we develop feelings of self-worth, how we provide for and care for others. Also how we respond neurotically if these needs are not met.

Taurus-Scorpio Polarity- governs lesson of attachment and aversion, pathology of loss and rejection, capacity of grief and sorrow, principle of sharing.

Virgo- she addresses the issues of productivity, growth, self reliance, and work.

A positive Ceres mother-love and the child's receptivity to it is so important, its a huge part of our foundation as we grown into compassionate, kind adults. People don't realize that this is where we find the ability to love oneself, to love others, rejoice in their accomplishments. If Ceres energy is distorted or insufficient, we grow into self-rejecting adults instead of self-accepting. So this will then turn into a critical, judgemental attitude toward others with resentment, jealousy of their achievements! So you see, Ceres is quite important during development and later when we share our Ceres energy with our children.

Ceres in the chart will indicate fertility, pregnancy, and also in some cases perhaps child abuse where the mother was the aggressor, or nurturing needs were not met as a child from harder aspects in the natal chart. Ceres making harmonious aspects with Jupiter or the moon, well placed by house, particularly 5th will indicate conceiving children. There are other factors also, but Ceres by transit and/or progression is strong enough by herself to indicate pregnancy (depending on the transit of course), so please note that.

Remember also that because Ceres rules the entire mothering complex that she also rules many psychological complexes that arise from negative, early parenting conditioning.

Also rules food complexes, as Venus pointed out in a PM to me, she noticed Ceres being prominent in Bullimics and Anorexics... good job, Venus, and good eye! Especially if you didn't know that Ceres ruled food complexes, that was a very astute observation, I am impressed.

Think about how eating disorders and food complexes arise? deep feelings of unworthiness, a poor self image, sometimes the need to live up to standards of perfection set by parents- there millions of women for whom obsessive dieting has become a way of life. the remedy for these imbalances may also be found in Ceres psychology- developing unconditional love for oneself and others. This is also true for those other kinds of eating complexes where food is used as a substitution for love and approval :(

For People w/prominent Ceres in their charts the need to transform their attachemtns to the ppl they love and the objects or ideas they value can become a major life lesson. When ceres is prominent in the chart or aspected to Pluto, separations may become a constant theme in the native's life. examples include: loss of one's parents thru death, rejection, abandonment, or illness; loss of one's children thru death, custodial award to other parent or state, or abduction; and separations from relationships, one's pets, work, or a secure environment. Grieving due to a sense of loss. If you read the mythology of Ceres, you will understand. The daughter of Ceres, Persiphone was kidnapped and violated by Pluto. Reading the book I recommended explains the mythology and it helps to learn and retain the symbolism and literal meaning of Ceres

** Last year my then fiance and myself bought a puppy together. The poor little baby was sick unbeknownst to us and died. We were grief stricken and couldn't stop crying. Looking back at the time it happened, comparing our natal, progressions, and transit charts, Ceres was in the same degree in all charts and prominent while we experienced this immense and heavy sorrow.

Finally, as ruler of cancer, Ceres provides food as a means of communicating love and acceptance. As ruler of Virgo, the food of the all-nourishing mother becomes the actual physical nourishment that builds, sustains, and repairs the cellular structure of the body. Maternal concern of Ceres insures the proper health and well being of teh body, and signifies the therapeutic use of food in healing. Ceres-Virgo types will be drawn to healing techniques that employ vitamins, diet, and herbs.

Ceres in Virgoan expression, depicts the ability and capacity to work as Virgo astrologically rules the working class. ceres symbolizes the motherly concern for the workers, social service org's, labor unions, and labor productivity. Also rules strikes and other expressions of "refusal to work". Therefore, challenging aspects to Ceres, natally or in current paterns can point to the inability to work or hold a job, disability, prolonged unemployment, or being the recipient of workers comp.

When this complex polarizes inot its opposite, we of course have the individual who is completely obsessed with work. hence the ceres/virgo archetype can manifest either as the work o holic or teh professional loafer, with hints given by the other factors in the horoscope.

the individual with a healthy ceres expression learns the wisdom of combining periods of hard work with times of relaxation and play. In this way, he/she attains a balanced work life and avoids the pitfalls of either becoming a burn out in their job/work or a drop out of school.

*phew* any questions? am now going to attempt to post Arian's interpretation, and prob won't answer anymore questions till tomorrow A.M. at this time.

For those of you who wanted to discuss Ceres in their horoscope, PM me your birth info so that I can put it in my solar fire and pull up your chart. For the newbies- I cannot do an interpretation w/o exact birth time, I need to know what house Ceres is in, Its so important. I will post a list tomorrow to of who is in line, and meanwhile as we learn together we can share our insights on the charts I post.

Thanks again for your interest!

Joanna

[Arian Maverick]

This was an excellent post, and quite sychronistic as well; I don't normally read magazines in the library, but I had time to spare today and browsed through a copy of Psychology Today. The main article that attracted my attention was one about young women and eating disorders, how colleges have become something of a "breeding ground" for such unhealthy behavior because young people have been increasingly brought together with those of their own age not only in school but in extracurricular activities as well; with the gender ratio at most colleges and universities tipping more towards females, some psychologists are concerned that increased contact of young women with others like themselves with fuel competition between them for the attention of males.

Along with striving for the perfect resume, more and more young women are attempting to attain the perfect body, and this has resulted in much distortion in how they view themselves and others.

Therefore, I believe it is no coincidence that you were to bring up this topic at this time; the archetype of Ceres needs to be restored into the mass consciousness.

I need to check to see what Ceres is doing now...

Arian Maverick

[joannski3]

Hey, sorry I can't post Arian's Ceres analysis today. Here's my attempt to post her data: her chart wheel and aspect grid. This is so you can get familiar with the placements and know what i'm talking about when i post my interpretation tomorrow. i hope it works... if you click on the thumbnail you need to zoom in with your browser b/c the screen is too small

[joannski3]

aww, thanks, Arian. Its no coincidence that you brought up the article and the magazine found YOU

...you have Ceres in the first house... i work nights and i really need to get some sleep, but real fast, you have a grand trine composed of 3 asteroids all in angular houses, so this is actually an important part of you!

Vesta riding high in 5 deg Capricorn in 10th house wow
Juno anchoring down low in 4th house at 25 deg Leo
Finally Ceres in 28 deg. Capr

the first house, real fast is the ego and how people percieve you, or what you project to others. this implies that your personality is being projected as nurturing, sympathetic, concerned for others. One may identify with the role as being a parent, provider, a "mother-hen" type. May also be necessary for you to nurture yourself.

i'll get into the other asteroids more deeply, but do you see the link here with the grand trine, how it fits in with your experience at the library, which you recognized and dubbed as no coincidence? First off, with your Uranus placing in the 10th house (This is why I like to see the WHOLE chart. note to beginners: the reason computer generated charts aren't so good is because they miss THE BIG PICTURE!) UR in 10th is an excellent placing for an astrologer, and with Vesta there, its absolutely wonderful because it's like you were given a gift. Your intuition is much stronger, and also being conjunct the south node, you feel comfortable and at ease with astrology, because the south node is conjunct the MC w/ Vesta you're probably a born natural with the astrology, its comfortable for you, you may have been familiar with it in a past life.

i'll give you more details about it tomorrow, but can you understand why i was so excited about you vocalizing the need for us to reintegrate Ceres into human consciousness in order to HELP and NURTURE them? that was YOUR ceres talking :-). the 1st house energies you have are charged up and ready to spread the word any way they can, and your unique planetary configuration by your MC and in your 10th house makes you identify with this -can't think of word- this cause (i think cause works here). I'll check your transits and progressions later to help figure out what is activating her in your chart. I'd be willing to guess you have a progressed moon aspect going on that is activating a more expansive progression. progressions work that way, you feel the effects over time and the moon incites certain events. well, i'll be talking to you soon, and will write more tomorrow

[Kaiousei no Senshi]

Ceres is symbolized in astrology by the sickle-- the gift of agriculture. She represents unconditional love, the love that is naturally passed from mother to infant. She is best depicted by the signs Cancer, Taurus-Scorpio polarity, and Virgo


Here I disagree. I don't feel Ceres rules any Sign, but instead represents the Earthy Triplicity (perhaps in a cycle) and does best when placed in any of the three.

I do agree with the connection between Ceres and eating disorders, either a lack of an or excess of foods. However, one thing is that Ceres is very, very much like Saturn and I didn't see that touched on in your post. The grand majority of your post, however, I am in agreement with, even though I'm sure I'll find things to nit-pick about, but it won't be anything serious as far as significations go.

However, philosophy is something I'll argue with you about. I don't enjoy the idea of Ceres as the 'great mother' as mothers are something that are already seen in the significations of Luna. However, whereas Luna is directly a parent-child connection, Ceres continues the relationship to close bonds between peers, people whose shoulders we can cry on. Instead of the Great Mother, I propose the Providing Soldier. She has a positive side which is shown in a never-ending flow of met necessities, and she has a negative side that removes that which we need most.

[joannski3]

I'm not going to argue with you, you are entitled to your own opinion; but let me just state right now that for the record, the rulerships aren't something I just made up and decided it fit well. The fundamentals of all I learned concerning the asteroids I got from the book I cited earlier by Demetra George. I didn't coin the term Great Mother, I cited that earlier as well... just curious, who taught you about Ceres rulerships? Because I believe that saying you don't agree with Ceres and her rulershis is fine, but its kind of like saying that Chiron shouldn't be ruled by Sag, or he's not really the wounded healer but maybe the fallen hero- that's fine if you don't like it, but you are arguing with the wrong person. You should be writing to the astrologers who published their research on the subject instead :-). The two people that co-authored the book I liked on asteroids I'll cite again because you may of missed it earlier: "The Asteroid Goddesses, The Mythology, Psychology, and Astrology of the Re-emerging Feminine" by Demetra George and Douglas Bloch....

Did you read that somewhere about Ceres not ruline anything? I'm just curious, because of course you are entitled to your own opinion, I was just wondering if you were aware of the general consensus among professional astrologers on the subject? I'm not posting all of these ideas of my own merit, which is why I cited my sources- trust if they were my ideas, I'd of submitted them for publication! :-)

[Kaiousei no Senshi]

First off, I think you misunderstand my usage of the word 'argue'. I don't mean to use it in the context of 'bicker', but in the context of 'debate'. I have no intention of bickering with you either, but to debate on the topic of Ceres which is a part of something I've taken a profound interest in. Hearing your ideas of what she signifies and the philosophy surrounding those significations is something I'm looking forward to discussing, but I can assure you that I will not agree with everything and will attempt to argue (debate) against a point that doesn't particularly set well with me.

Honestly, I don't care who you choose to cite. This particular book is on my list to get because I am interested in seeing what these authors have to say concerning the members of the Quartet and how much of it is usable original thought and not some handed down mush of keywords. No one taught me Ceres' rulerships, as far as I know of the idea of members of the Quartet being dignified or debilitied in particular triplicities is 100% original. If not, then someone out there and I are on the same wave-length. Since the traditional planets have all but covered the entirety of the Zodiac with their respective marks in the Tables of Essential Dignities, I find it silly to have to shove them over and destroy this system for any reason; it works, so why mess it up?

Did you read that somewhere about Ceres not ruline anything? I'm just curious, because of course you are entitled to your own opinion, I was just wondering if you were aware of the general consensus among professional astrologers on the subject?

This statement puzzled me. Of course, I assume you're attempting to shake me from my position by assuming I will be moved by this idea that I come at odds against 'big-wigs', but trust me. There is no general consensus among professional astrologers. Opinions concerning the Quartet or any asteriodal body's usage for that matter ranges from "they have no signification", "they are significant only if on an angle or conjoined with a personal planet", to "Ceres rules the Sign of Cancer, take that Luna".

After having to plod my way through Hampar's "Electional Astrology: The Art of Timing" I've come to the conclusion that anyone can write a book and make up their own rules, even if these rules form a striking opposition to the rules handed down through astrological tradition and centuries of practical application.

I'm also pretty upset with you for attacking me and my reputation and know-how as an astrologer instead of arguing against my ideas. I only argued for or against the ideas you presented without naming you as the originator of them, you seem to be quick to take things personal and I assure you I will not attack you on a personal level when you are obviously working very hard to have a good discussion about Ceres and perhaps the other three members of the Quartet.

The ideas you present are up for scrutiny, not you as a person or your skills as an astrologer. The same goes for me or anyone else who chooses to post in this thread or any other thread in this forum.

[joannski3]

Nobody is attacking your reputation. Remember how you got so upset because you felt like my Uranus comment was not on topic? Well this string started by accident. A couple of people were happy when my post went off topic in another thread, but they gave me a thread to continue.

You are right, you should present your ideas so they can learn your opinion about asteroids also. I'm just saying I'm not going to debate your philosophy on Ceres because its not my philosophy to defend. I just accept it because I think it suits her well, especially when you read the mythology and learn the story of Ceres and her daughter Persephone and how Per. was abducted by Pluto- Ceres is the goddes the Sicilians chose to be their patron saint because supposedly Sicily was the island Pluto abducted her daughter to, Ceres came her to find her, and thus the Sicilians paid homage.

I asked you where you read about Saturn because i wanted to know if you drew up your own conclusions or if you read it from another book. I also mentioned that if i had come up with my own ideas i would have submitted them for publication.

With that being said, you are welcome to post whatever on my thread, but we moved it bc a couple people wanted me to expand and share with them what i know about Ceres, and do some chart interpretations.

I've finished one of my charts, I'm going to post it late late tonight when i get home from work, or maybe little bits at a time. not sure yet. Just understand that i'm not going to debate my ideas with anyone, but feel free to teach what you know about Ceres- just cite facts and state your opinion. You should care about me citing sources, then you know i'm not just selling something I thought of. Also, citing sources of course gives readers an opportunity to check out the same source if they please.

There have been posts here before where citations have been requested, I just am used to doing it from all the writing i had to do in college.

[joannski3]

I'm sorry, i said Sicilians chose Ceres as their patron saint- That's not true, it's a different word. I think they chose her as their 'patron goddess' so about the equivalent of patron saint, just couple thousand years ago instead of during modern times

[joannski3]

The ideas you present are up for scrutiny, not you as a person or your skills as an astrologer. The same goes for me or anyone else who chooses to post in this thread or any other thread in this forum.

On a final note, let me be the first to say that I don't claim to be an astrologer. I am still studying, we could say maybe still in the midst of my apprenticeship, but i don't consider myself an astrologer yeb because i am yet to experience my "aha moment" where i can call a theory or good idea i presented 100% totally original and mine, tested and studied--

that being said, if you aren't all talk and are really who you seem to be, you are obviously quite intelligent and I have a suggestion for you which you should think about since your philosophy on Ceres you said was 100% yours- as in you came up with the idea yourself, drawing your own conclusions because of ... (fill in the blank with whatever supports your opinion). Of course having someone else in a different part of the world come up with the same idea would be out of your control, HOWEVER-

you should seriously consider gathering up info to back up your ideas, study and compare birth charts and submit for publication your own theories about Ceres. At such a young age, you would be making quite a name for yourself in the astrological community, even if that's not what you are here for, it would still make your Leo side quite proud.

Use celebrity charts and friends with case studies concerning progressions and transits you can elaborate on to expand and back up your philosophy, and you can come up with a great book w/o handing down a bunch of key words.

key words by the way are a good means of remembering the big picture, but i agree with you, the philosophy needs to be presented in the book so that you can understand WHY. well, you will like Asteroid Goddes book because the authors present nothing but philosophy, mythology and history, psychology, and even pathology of these asteroids, and i think you will find the reading material right up your alley.

I guess I just won't argue (debate) your points because I just don't see the point, they are your theories vs. another theory, and i just believe what i believe. Your points i'm sure are valid, and doesn't mean they also can't be true. Just if you can, share case studies with us. You need to remember that astrology is an art AND a science, and its important to present evidence too. this last statement is not intended in any way to be a put down. this is why i keep citing sources and why i explained instances in 3 different charts to back up the ideas

~*~ J *~*

[Kaiousei no Senshi]

guess I just won't argue (debate) your points because I just don't see the point, they are your theories vs. another theory, and i just believe what i believe. Your points i'm sure are valid, and doesn't mean they also can't be true.

This is the entire points of debates. It's not about convincing the other person their ideas are wrong, it's about forcing yourself to re-examine your ideas. To dig deeper to strengthen the fallacies your opponent points out to you. Now, no doubt the community could learn a lot by us simultaneously posting our differing ideas about Ceres as they will be able to compare and contrast, but we are missing out in learning as well as you are not there to point out my inconsistancies and force me to dig deeper to see why this is or is not so and I am not there to do the same for you.

I don't care how 'right' or 'wrong' my original ideas are. I care about learning and expanding my understanding by people saying "Hey...wait a second...you're a little off base here."

There is no point in having any topic in which everyone is forced to passively agree. The inability to discuss possible weaknesses completely undermines the importance of any topic as there is no ability to expand understanding of the topic without disagreement and voicing that disagreement...but, whatever you want to do.

[joannski3]

I don't care what you think. go ahead and post all your opinions and your philosophies.

Now I'm going to ignore you because you have distracted me enough. I have to finish up some work.

[Kaiousei no Senshi]

Nah, there's no point then. I have opinions on Ceres, you have opinions on Ceres, your refusal to discuss them with me makes this whole situation pointless. Don't blame me for your slow progress. Hope you get your work all finished up, though. I know how you feel, the TV is good at catching my eye when I don't want it to. ^.^

[Arian Maverick]

I hope I'm not intruding too much here, but I was thinking about the Ceres archetype last night and remembered a second article I had read during my brief time in the library--the only other article I had read through completely, if my memory serves me correctly.

This one was in a different magazine of a much different nature; it was some woman's magazine called Glamour. I picked it up because something on the cover attracted my attention, and I quickly thumbed through the pages to find an article written by a Hollywood actor describing his various experiences with women who had undergone plastic surgery, something that is apparently not uncommon in LA. He had described some of his awkward experiences with women with fake breasts and such while intertwining his thoughts and opinions about plastic surgery, trying to determine why the realization that a woman had chosen to alter her body in this way always produced a strange reaction in him, why he wasn't able to view this woman as attractive as he had before.

He finally came to the conclusion that most of the women he had met did not seem to have gone under the knife for the "right" reasons; I believe he thought the "right" reason was to bolster confidence that was already strong within the individual. Yet he noticed that many of the women who had undergone these procedures had either done so to please men they had been with or to mask some body insecurity they had experienced in middle school or high school.

I don't know if plastic surgery is considered to be under the rulership of Ceres--it seems more Neptunian to me, to be honest--but I believe the underlying reason why so many women are going under the knife to enhance their physical appearance is because they lack self-confidence in who they are, that they unconsciously believe that they are their body. I do not mean to suggest that everyone women who undergoing plastic surgery has this "psychological baggage"--neither did the author, for I have borrowed his words--yet I do believe that the self-love joannski3 described may very well be at the root of this phenomenon.

To repeat a comment from my previous post, the archetype of Ceres needs to be restored into the mass consciousness in order for us all to heal.

Arian Maverick

P.S. I promise that my next post will be more astrological, but I had to share this.

[gaer]

I totally missed this thread because it still says, in message one:

"Re: Yods!? Did you know this???........ "

It morphed into "Ceres: The Great Mother". It's an obvious Mercury Rx snafu. :)

It is true that Ceres attracted a great deal of attention when it was discovered and was originally given the status of a planet. It's also true that 1 Ceres, along with 2 Pallas, 3 Juno and 4 Vesta, have been ignored for a long time.

Perhaps the recent reinterest in the "quartet", the first four asteroids to be discovered, has been at least partially fueled by reclassification of both asteroids and planets.

Pluto has been down-graded to a dwarf-planet, but I don't think astrologers have decided to stop paying attention to it. Now Ceres is has been re-classified as the smallest known dwarf-planet in our solar system, which should give it extra "status". It really isn't an asteroid under the new definition.

If you compare information about Ceres, in books or on the Net, with Chiron, which was discovered so recently, there is very little written about Ceres. I don't think any true consensus exists yet about the exact meaning of Ceres.

So far I've seen Ceres linked to:

nature/the environment
reproductive issues of an adult woman
pregnancy and childbirth, birth control or menstrual cycles.
motherly love
agriculture and farming
family bonds and relationships
productive areas in a natal horoscope
grief and loss


Did you read that somewhere about Ceres not ruline anything?



I have seen at least TWO signs suggested for rulership: Virgo and Cancer.

So what does Ceres really represent? I would be most inclined to listen to people who have Ceres in a very dominant place in their charts. How do they feel about the placement (house), sign it is in, and aspects it makes to other planets?

Now, if anyone wants to start a thread on Pallas, there *I* have some strong opinions! ;)

Gaer

[Arian Maverick]

It morphed into "Ceres: The Great Mother". It's an obvious Mercury Rx snafu. :)

Unfortunately, I don't think it's quite that simple; I've had this problem with transferring posts into new threads before during non-Mercury retrograde periods.

I might be able to manually edit the title of each user's post, but I didn't want to do so because I didn't want to freak anyone out when they saw This post edited by Arian Maverick at whatever time I "edited" the post. Members tend to assume the worst when you do so or think they have done something wrong when this isn't always the case.

If the original posters wouldn't mind, I would like to change the title on their posts with their position to avoid further Mercury retrograde confusion.

I'm glad you found us, gaer :)

Arian Maverick

[Arian Maverick]

It morphed into "Ceres: The Great Mother". It's an obvious Mercury Rx snafu. :)

Unfortunately, I don't think it's quite that simple; I've had this problem with transferring posts into new threads before during non-Mercury retrograde periods.

I might be able to manually edit the title of each user's post, but I didn't want to do so because I didn't want to freak anyone out when they saw This post edited by Arian Maverick at whatever time I "edited" the post. Members tend to assume the worst when you do so or think they have done something wrong when this isn't always the case.

If the original posters wouldn't mind, I would like to change the title on their posts with their position to avoid further Mercury retrograde confusion.

Now, if anyone wants to start a thread on Pallas, there *I* have some strong opinions! ;)

I wouldn't mind doing so, if you suggest a title for it. I think it would be cool to retain the format that was begun here and title the thread Pallas - The Daughter or something similar.

Arian Maverick

[gaer]

Unfortunately, I don't think it's quite that simple; I've had this problem with transferring posts into new threads before during non-Mercury retrograde periods.

I was joking!

I'm aware of the problems of moving posts. You did a good job, everything is fine! :)

I might be able to manually edit the title of each user's post, but I didn't want to do so because I didn't want to freak anyone out when they saw This post edited by Arian Maverick at whatever time I "edited" the post. Members tend to assume the worst when you do so or think they have done something wrong when this isn't always the case.

NO! You don't have to do anything like that! If you concern youself with each little thing, you won't have any time to post. If there is anything "Mercury Rx" about this, it is the fact that I had my tongue-in-cheek and it came out sounding serious. :(

When I reply to this, the title will still be "Ceres: The Great Mother". That's good enough. I think Ceres is way more than that, but that's why we are here, to talk about that.

We need a little song for the forum: "The Mercury Rx Blues" :38:

Gaer

EDIT: Just to make it clear that I am interested in this discussion, I have Ceres sextile Sun/Neptune, sextile Pallas/MC and square Mercury and NN.

I do have my own ideas about what this means, but if anyone wants to take a look at my chart and make some observations on what they think it means, I'd be happy to hear about it!

[lillyjgc]

Hi all,
On the subject of the four asteroids, Ceres Pallas Juno and Vesta I have this to say:
I am having a problem with the current trend of ascribing *feminine archetypes* to these asteroids-Men do have them in their chart too.
In the natal chart of Ceres, for example, Ceres is located in house 4-the house that is said to be *the father* so I truly am not sure how the current *definition* of Ceres came into being. Ceres was in Taurus at the time, thus ruled by venus, and in the natal of ceres, venus was in saturn's sign,Aquarius, again emphasising the *Father* aspect of Ceres. Even further,Saturn was in Leo, and the sun was in capricorn-so mutual reception between those two.
I am at a loss as to how ceres has been ascribed feminine qualities.The moon WAS in cancer that day-again the moon/cancer is natural ruler of the fourth so agriculture seems to be an obvious connection to Ceres.
i see no evidence whatsoever that the 4 asteroids have more of an identity for women than men-especially when I see pallas in particular, so prominent in the charts of *successful* men, but not the case in the charts of *successful* women.
I think its important NOT to just blindly accept the modern trend of throwing meanings at celestial bodies based on the mythology around their name alone.The birth chart shows more.
Cheers, Lillyjgc

[lillyjgc]

http://s161.photobucket.com/albums/t214/lillyjgc/?action=view&current=ceresnativity.jpg

[Arian Maverick]

I am having a problem with the current trend of ascribing *feminine archetypes* to these asteroids-Men do have them in their chart too.

Women have had nothing but masculine archetypes in their natal charts since the creation of astrology, with the notable exceptions of the Moon and Venus.

As each "new" planets was discovered and humanity gained access to their higher energies, masculine archetypes were continuously ascribed until, finally, the energy of the goddess began to enter humanity's consciousness with the introduction of the four "asteroids." I believe it is highly significant that one of these "asteroids," Ceres, now has the status of a minor planet.

Also, I don't think anyone said that these feminine archetypes apply only to women. Did the masculine archetypes ever apply only to men?

I have not taken a gender poll, but I am pretty sure that the majority of the members on this forum are female, and I do not think any of us would have taken such an interest in astrology if we could not directly apply it to our lives.

You are entitled to your opinions, though.

Arian Maverick

[Kaiousei no Senshi]

Also, I don't think anyone said that these feminine archetypes apply only to women. Did the masculine archetypes ever apply only to men?

Perhaps no one in this thread suggested the idea, but you will find several articles that range from saying the Quartet have no interpretation in a man's chart, to them having little effect, to them having some, to them being just as important as the other planets. The idea of the Quartet being 'purely feminine' is out there, and it's total and complete BS.

Trust me, as a young man I feel the Quartet in my life, regardless of what some crazy astrologer tries to tell me about them not being useful to me because I have a Y chromosome.

i see no evidence whatsoever that the 4 asteroids have more of an identity for women than men-especially when I see pallas in particular, so prominent in the charts of *successful* men, but not the case in the charts of *successful* women.

Pallas is a little bit different from the rest of the Quartet in many ways, I feel. I will agree that Ceres, Juno, and Vesta join Venus and Luna in the realm of the feminine planets, but I think Pallas is an equal to Mercury in being androgenous.

I think its important NOT to just blindly accept the modern trend of throwing meanings at celestial bodies based on the mythology around their name alone.The birth chart shows more.

Thank you, Lilly. Mythology is fantastic, but actual astrology and the philosophy that stems from it is about a million times better

[lillyjgc]

Arian,
I don't think it is very *scientific* to say that because other planets have been ascribed masculine archetypes, women should make a grab for the asteroids! surely all the planets exhibit a male and female application.
Which is exactly my point. The *quartet* obviously applies to both genders.
But I am curious why many of the sources I've googled seem to be intent on making them particularly female.

Women have had nothing but masculine archetypes in their natal charts since the creation of astrology, with the notable exceptions of the Moon and Venus.
I'm not sure what you mean here, Arian...When I read a chart for a woman I read the planets from that perspective. A *strong mars* might play out rather differently in a womans chart compared to how it might play out in a man's chart..I think that goes without saying.

I have not taken a gender poll, but I am pretty sure that the majority of the members on this forum are female, and I do not think any of us would have taken such an interest in astrology if we could not directly apply it to our lives.

I dont think it matters what the ratio of females to males is on this forum...I agree that we are interested in astrology because it applies to our lives...but I'm not sure how thats relevant here? I wasn't questioning that.
Surely all the planets and all the other celestial bodies are gender neutral when it comes to delineating a chart-in horary obviously the feminine/masculine nature of planets may be especially significant.
I am simply raising the issue of the danger of *missing the true nature* of Ceres by labelling ceres as a *she* when the natal doesnt actually support that.
Cheers Lillyjgc

[Kaiousei no Senshi]

This is actually a very good point that you raise, Lilly. The only planets that are archetypally fully masculine or fully feminine are Sol (expressed exclusively through his rulership of Leo) and Luna (expressed exclusively through her rulership of Cancer). Mercury exhibits its masculine side through his rulership of Gemini and its feminine side through his rulership of Virgo. Venus expresses her masculine side through her rulership of Libra and expresses her feminine side through her rulership of Taurus. Mars expresses his masculine side through Aries, and his feminine side through Scorpio. Jupiter's masculine side through Sagittarius and his feminine side through Pisces. Even Saturn expresses his feminine side through Capricorn and his masculine through Aquarius. Two halves (male AND female) through the same planet.

However, I do feel I need to make this point clear as well. Just because Saturn is termed a 'he' or Vesta a 'she' isn't something that stems from astrological archetypes, but from the gender of the god themselves. In all forms of astrology, the gods named for the planets repeat in the same fashion, the "Venus" god is always female (Ishtar, etc), the "Mars" god always male (Nergal, etc). Even Mercury (admittedly asexual by all classical astrologers) is signifed by the pronoun 'he'. Not because the planet itself is masculine (obviously, it is not) but because the god the planet was named for was.

[lillyjgc]

Ceres

by Micha F. Lindemans
The old-Italian goddess of agriculture, grain, and the love a mother bears for her child. The cult of Ceres was originally closely connected with that of Tellus (http://www.pantheon.org/articles/t/tellus.html), the goddess earth. In later mythology, Ceres is identified with the Greek Demeter (http://www.pantheon.org/articles/d/demeter.html). She is the daughter of Saturn (http://www.pantheon.org/articles/s/saturn.html) and the mother of Proserpina (http://www.pantheon.org/articles/p/proserpina.html).
http://www.pantheon.org/areas/gallery/mythology/europe/roman/th_ceres.jpg (http://www.pantheon.org/areas/gallery/mythology/europe/roman/ceres.html) Ceres had a temple on the Aventine Hill, were she was worshipped together with Liber (http://www.pantheon.org/articles/l/liber.html) and Libera (http://www.pantheon.org/articles/l/libera.html). Her festival, the Cerealia, was celebrated on April 19. Ceres is portrayed with a scepter, a basket with flowers or fruits, and a garland made of the ears of corn. Another festival was the Ambarvalia, held in May.

.....further to Kai's post above.

[Kaiousei no Senshi]

XD Not helping the jump from mythology to applicable philosophy! :P

:P Silly Lilly. :P

[Nexus7]

How would most people here differentiate between what Ceres represents in the chart and what the natal Moon still represents? I have asked tis question on a forum elsewhere before...anyway, I feel like asking it again.

[lillyjgc]

http://www.astrologicallyspeaking.com/ceres.htm
and here's an interesting link-for those *new to Ceres*-I'm not saying I fully endorse this interpretation, but there is a dearth of information about Ceres...
Cheers Lillyjgc

Kai: not *silly lilly*- *thorough lilly*....If we understand the mythology AND we have the natal chart, we may be able to separate ceres *meaning* from JUST the mythology- but we have to know the mythology as well.:)

[Nexus7]

I have seen the symbolism to do with grains crop up, to to speak, plenty of times now, so presumably Ceres ought to have a big link with the agricultural and maybe catering industries too. 'Ceres' and 'cereals' after all. I think it figures reasonably strongly for the first election chart for the EU, with heir food piles and their bureaucratic approach to food preparation....I do remember reading a book by one Adelle Davis at a tender age, explaining why nutrition was so importatnt - unfortunately, she pooh-poohed the idea that wheat could really be a problem for many people. Demetra George mentioned that Ceres and Moon were in opposition in her chart. Well, I have them in square, so my experiece there was that Davis was both very right and very wrong about quite a few things there.

Funnily enough, someone started wangling with me and with someone else on another forum recently, about why the need for more goddesses. There is a good friend of mine, a professional chef, who takes huge pride in her work - Ceres rising in Leo. I was then asked if Venus was also strong in her chart - as it happens she has Venus on the Descendant, at which point there was a triumphant 'told you so.'

All the same, when I discovered that Ceres position: it certainly did seem appropriate.

[gaer]

Kai: not *silly lilly*- *thorough lilly*....If we understand the mythology AND we have the natal chart, we may be able to separate ceres *meaning* from JUST the mythology- but we have to know the mythology as well.:)
I hope you remember that XD=laughing and :P :P is for tongue out.

MSN shortcuts. :)

But seriously, or cere-usly, if the description of what Ceres DOES as both a nuturer (positive energy) and something that denies or takes away (negative energy, malefic) is correct, and I think it is, then the mythology is at least part of a good start. It helped me to get an idea of how it might work.

In my opinion, the dangerous path is to then concentrate only on motherhood, which obviously only relates to women, rather than to concentrate on support, nurturing, perhaps even mentoring—in short, anything that puts you in the background while you put your energy into helping other people get on their feet, make the best of themselves, be the best they can.

My main concern is that this discussion does not degenerate into a pissing contest for who gets to claim Ceres. And I believe that was your point earlier, if I did not misunderstand. In other words, if the whole "Goddess" idea becomes so stressed that people pay no attention to Ceres in the charts of men, I think something very bad will happen. We will only see one side of the picture. I'm too Libran to like that idea!

The important thing, to me, is that as we are evolving, we are moving away from glorifying all that is traditionally male and making all that is traditionally female less important. Also moving away from defining men and women according to traditonal roles/values, which are just a way of putting people into boxes or figurative prisons.

I just finished carefully looking at two charts, of two family members. One is male, the other female. Both are incredibly good parents, supportive, very caring people.

Both have Ceres emphasized in their charts.

One, the mother, has a grand trine, Ceres/Sun/Moon. Ceres is angular, right on the 7th.

The other, father, has Ceres forming a grand trine with Mercury/Uranus in the 7th and Jupiter in the 11th. He supported his father until his death and is still taking care of his mother. If he made any mistakes raising his son, he may have been too lenient, too "soft".

This is hardly conclusive, but it is a start.

Ceres is also important in my chart. It is sextile Sun/Neptune and sextile MC/Pallas. I'm a teacher. I've spent decades mentoring, most often young kids. The one square, Ceres to Mercury, probably shows that I have to be very careful not to be too hard on people, especially with my tongue. I can push too hard, and then I get tears. :(

What we need is more information from charts.

I would love to see as many examples as possible from members of people they know personally who are nuturing people and who have positive Ceres aspects.

If we get examples, I think we'll find that Ceres will show up strong in about as many male and female charts. And that might help destroy the idea that being kind, nurturing, supportive, helpful, loving, caring is something that only women are capable of!

Gaer

[joannski3]

part 1

This is a LONG interpretation. I have been quickly glancing over the other posts and want to make sure that the fact that the asteroids are feminine archetypes doesn't mean they don't manifest in male charts- we all have feminine and masculine energies in our charts.

If anyone wants me to post my interpretation for Ceres, send me your natal chart data. I have to write Venus in Aries next, but I'd be happy to interpret on a first come first serve basis. One of my mentors, I wish I could say who it was, but he's a regular writer on various astrology publications and websites ;-) really likes the use of asteroids, and he is a man! interestingly though, he does have Mars in Cancer which probably puts him more in touch with his feminine energies in general.

Quick note, thanks for the second post, Arian on women's body morphology issues. It furthers my point in my interpretation that you are wired from birth to nurture others using your independent Arian nature :D
OK, here is part 1:

First of all, lets start with house placement. Ceres is in the 1st house, and lets note part of an extremely important grand trine: Uranus-Vesta in 5 deg Capricorn in 10th and Juno in 25 deg Leo in 6th. It’s a unique grand trine because its made up of asteroids, but also in that they are all placed in ANGULAR HOUSES. Lets quickly add a note here for beginners- when interpreting a chart, make sure to take a note of which planets are located in angular houses, these are the planets that will have the most impact on a person’s psychology.
Ceres in Aries 1st house is like a packed punch of independence and autonomy. 1st house placement implies projection of one’s personality as nurturing, sympathetic, concerned for others. May identify w/role of being a mother/parent (even if its not literally YOUR children- perhaps you are the ‘mother hen’ when it comes to your group of friends? People are naturally drawn to you and I will elaborate more on this later- it comes from your Uranus placement).
Ceres is first of all trine a conjunction at the top of the grand trine in the tenth house between Uranus and Vesta both in 5 deg. Capricorn. I’d like to also tell you that you have some exciting things going on right now regarding your progressions. Your instincts were right, Ceres is being activated right now, and I’ll explain how so after I’m done w/this interpretation. The energy that is being shared between the planets is quite unique and very powerful. Uranus is strengthening Aries’ independence by providing a strong sense of individuality. You also have the potential to universalize the nurturing impulse in humanitarian activities. I think its quite important that you saw the article about the eating disorders, and no surprise that you were drawn to it. As you will see when I elaborate and explain the progressions you are experiencing, volunteer work where you can nurture others right now, and make the most of your Arian energies. The Ceres aries individual nurtures others through promoting their self-sufficiency and self determination. Its also good to bring to your attention in a side note that the Ceres-Aries individual needs to also receive the same experiences from their significant other. Despite the fact that you don’t feel like literally having a baby, you can still use your knowledge and strength as an independent woman in nurturing other women, teaching them how to be strong independent women- not victims of low self-esteem , how to love themselves and overcome societal pressures.
Uranus is also extremely intuitive and a good indicator of a good astrologer with its wonderful placement in the grand trine, and sitting atop the 10th house, with the Ceres aspect, you would love to share your knowledge and your natural gifts as well regarding astrology and relating to others with others. It could for sure become a big part of your life, especially right now your progressions are indicating that you are learning about your higher calling, spiritual path. Natally your South Node is conjunct your Midheaven (this is why I like to see the whole chart- everything works together. I’m against the computer generated interpretations because they don’t take into consideration the big picture, just the 2 planet aspects it analyzes at a time). If you believe in past lives, the south node here is probably a good indication that you are so at ease at astrology because you may have been doing the same thing in a past life. It just comes naturally to you because if you ‘remember’ your knowledge, even if its just on a subconscious level, you will still be comfortable and talented with astrology, and others will pick up on this and be drawn to you also for help. Uranus in this trine will suggest innovative and original approaches toward caring for others and developing family structures. This is often an indication of someone who advocates human rights and a highly developed intuition concerning human nature. This enables you to establish a rapport with people of various races and nationalites. You may also be an advocate of supporting childrens’ rights and individuality.
This intuition that helps you relate to others would be a great help for someone who wanted to volunteer in a support group. People would find it easier to trust you because you would make them feel like you could understand where they were coming from, and not there to judge but to listen to what they had to say. The charisma of your shining independence would be an inspiration to victims who would come to you for counseling, and I really believe that as an astrologer you would be successful and inspiring as a counselor to others in seek of help, but I also think that you would find the volunteer efforts a lot concerning women who needed the liberation in being taught to love themselves and be free of codependence when you show them how to depend on nobody else by themselves.
Vesta conjunction to midheaven and Uranus, and trine back to Ceres gives you the drive, dedication, and determination to focus your gift. You have an intense ability to experience nurturing through your work, and see it as something more than just work, to you it’s a vision, a quest, even a spiritual quest. Sometimes Vesta here can become inspired to dedicate life to serving others! The challenge here is to balance the needs of self with obligation and responsibility one has for others, integration is possible and results in being able to combine a rich family and personal life with a fulfilling career focus.
Uranus and Vesta have combined individuality and intuition once again as Ceres- Uranus does also. People with Uranus-vesta have the potential to infuse original and universtal impulses into personal dedication. Indicative of a mind that can focus and concentrate on innovative and intuitive ideas. May become involved in pursuit of scientific and occult studies (Astrology!!!) Uranus does rule astrology! This is why the 10th house placing is a stronger indication of a career in Astrology and I am trying to explain that this trine flowing through the 10th 6th and being expressed through the 1st house with the stellium of Aries you have in there shows to me that relating yoru knowledge of Astrology would be a great career focus for you. The reason you havent’ lost interest in astrology, as you mention your short attention span in general and your surprise that you steill remain attentive regarding astrology is because of the Vesta placement conjunct the MC and UR.
Vesta and Uranus also can bring a capacity to dedicate oneself to political, spiritual, and revolutionary visions. Sometimes Vesta people advocate sexual liberation and non-possesive behavior in sexual relationships, think of the 70s flower girl, “free love”. Because the connection between UR-Vesta is a conjunction, you need to be careful of potential conflicts between a desire to focus oneself vs. desire for innovation and change. This can lead to a rebellion from obligation or erratic behavior that thwarts long term commitment. Politically, can manifest itself as a “rebel without a cause”. Sometimes the individual may express deviant forms of behavior from the traditional sexual/ethical codes- or what society names as deviant behavior I should add. I’m a UR person also and I don’t believe society has the right to dictate what is deviant and what is not ;-). Basically the resolution of the Vesta-UR challenge here (the energies are a push pull of rebellious energy of the individual and the dedicated, disciplined Vesta Energy) lies in committing and dedicating oneself to a type of innovation and reform that promotes constructive and healing changes in the old order, or building functional structure of your own new order. Be a versatile genius, think “Leonardo da Vinci” who had Vesta-Uranus conjunct in Gemini.
Having the Vesta-Ur conjunction in the 10th house will show dedication to your career or position in society, and the closeness to the MC is indicative that this is your spiritual destiny. Uranus in the 10th though does not like the “corporate ladder”, traditional organizations don’t work for you unless its an organization YOU founded and YOU are seeing over. Having your career overseen by the internet would be very Uranian (a lot of Astrologers have their own websites as a means to get clients), but something new, shocking, cutting edge would be a great profession for you. You would need to be your own boss and be left alone. The Uranus will clash a bit with the Vesta discipline, but in all I believe it will balance itself out because this aspect also brings about thoroughness, willingness to work hard as potential talents. Although Uranus doesn’t always like structure, Capricorn here will WORK BEST in a structured and disciplined environment. So I think as long as you strive to work independently, you must keep in mind that you have to employ self-disciplined in order to satisfy your natural purpose here. You will find that your own personal ambition and drive to succeed will serve as strong motivational factors!
I will explain later more on the role of Juno in your chart, but note that she is trining Ceres and Vesta-Uranus from the 6th house, and so I could see you incorporating working or volunteer activities into your career with astrology. That’s why I keep feeling that you would benefit a lot doing some volunteer work with women such as the women you read about in the magazine in the library. There’s something neat I’ll explain in your progressions that show that you were supposed to see that magazine I think. I really think thought that finding a volunteer activity where you can express your nurturing side to serve others will be very healthy for you, like its part of your life purpose, and this food for your soul will feed your abilities as an astrologer too, improving your intuition and the bond you will have with your clients.
Basically this Vesta-UR conjunction atop the grand trine expresses a life purpose, career, place in the world that is intuitive, and the trine to ceres shows an individual who expresses a nurturing/caring, critical individual incarnation, with a passion for freedom, fun, self-expression. Vesta is angular, can indicate workaholism, perfectionism, and overdoing. Capricorn will give a strong drive to achieve your goals and move up, so you will succeed in your spiritual calling, and all of this coming to ahead right now because of the progressions you are experiencing right now. One more thing before I explain what kind of progressions you are feeling, another indication in your chart that maybe nurturing others and incorporating your smarts and know-how in astrology as well as your intuition which aids you in reaching out to others.

[joannski3]

Arian, here is more for you to read, I separated the interpretation because its so long. Please post some feedback for me and I will start on Venus in Aries reputation as per requested.

Ceres is ALSO sextile CHIRON in the 4th house. Sextiles show opportunities, and when progressions come to sextiles in your natal chart, its an indication of an opportunity waiting to manifest itself with the energies in the planet (s) involved in the progression. Ceres-Chiron is found in charts of alternative healers as they blend the nurturing caretaking function of Ceres with holistic awareness of Chiron. Chiron in the 4th indicates working at home which complements well the Uranus=Vesta conjunction in the 10th house who wants to work diligently and independently. This is very likely going to be a successful career for you, but the other reason I keep thinking helping women with psychological issues who need a strong individual like yourself to help in counsel , is because its also suggested by the symbolism of your grand trine being involved with 3 or the 4 asteroids, the “goddesses”. Note that the 3 most feminine archetypes of the 4 goddesses are here. Ceres the mother, Juno the wife, and Vesta the sister.
Juno in the 6th in Leo indicates that you may find a partner involved in your work, and in Leo shows a romantic partnership is one that you seek, and could also be indicative of a partner if not in show business, in a showy career. Ceres trine Juno shows that you will need a relationship to also combine with your nurturing needs. Your partner needs to be accepting of your work, and also accept the fact that you need to experience indivuality and freedom. Parenting can serve as the focal point of your relationship, and this is why being in the 6th house makes me think that its very possible you will be happiest and end up with in the end a partner who you can and will work with, maybe meet during your volunteer efforts. Someone who will help ‘parent’ with you, I mean by serving as a role model to codependent women, and weaker women with other various psychological issues. In fact, even if you aren’t in a relationship, Juno shows even more how nurturing as a parent would be something so fulfilling to you, and it doesn’t have to be your children. Uranus here in the trine shows it doesn’t have to be parenting in the conventional sense as in its your children- it can mean counseling younger women, and relating to them as their big sister (Vesta is the sister) or as the mommy.
In any case, the trine btn Ceres and Juno denotes that one can meet the challenge of creating the nurturing, supportive relationships you will need, as indicated when people have Ceres-Juno contacts. Most probably will receive assistance from partner, and have together a sense of camaraderie- another reason I think that your partner will be someone who will share a same vision with you, and will take joy in participating with you in your work and hopefully volunteer work in humanistic groups. I haven’t check this out, but I imagine that you will probably meet your partner after you have started working toward your karmic life path- the nodes here exact your MC shows a karmic connection to the work you will choose to do.
The reason I keep thinking that the women with eating disorders was a deliberate message, an important synchronicity, not just a passing coincidence is because the day you typed your post and mentioned how you read about the anorexics and bulimics at the library, how they touched you with their connection to Ceres is because that day, strangely enough, your progressed moon was trine EXACT your Part of fortune, located in the 1st house and Aries! Ceres literally gave you an idea of how to develop your nurturing side, and you very enthusiastically expressed that Ceres needed to be recognized, how she is becoming recognized again in the universal unconscious (or something to that effect). What better candidate to nurture anorexic/bulimics, women who don’t know how to love themselves, are trapped, repressed as prisoners to their codependency with food and their obsession with weight, low self esteem, etc than a healthy, mature Arian woman who is inspired to share her astrology, is gifted with an intuition that can tap into the collective unconscious from people from all walks of life, from all backgrounds, someone who isn’t out to judge their lifestyle or look down on people who live alternative walks of life (UR here helping out more)… plus the Ceres grand trine and aspect to Chiron is going to LOVE to help women like this.
Nurturing isn’t conventional, you may not feel the urge to have your own babies as you mentioned, but it doesn’t mean you won’t be a great nurturer, you just have to channel it the right way. I also can’t think of any better candidates to learn the strong independence you will project and teach! If Arian energy is food for anyone’s soul, it’s the poor women in this oppressive environment who would literally be set free (Uranus influence again!) by learning from you how to love themselves and become independent emotionally. Once they learn to depend on themselves for love, the rest of their lives will come together and will literally be able to get their lives together and live independently too! What a wonderful way to share your love and knowledge with the world and express your inner mother in a beautiful positive light.
Also a wonderful way to spread your knowledge of astrology! Women seem collectively to be more in tuned with the teachings of astrology and I’m feeling that this will be a great way to start in becoming an astrologer. Through word of mouth, people will learn of your talents and gifts, and because of your natural gift of intuition and relating to the human race, people will instinctively trust you. The women you would help would see you forever as their mentor, and the kind of trust and bond you would have with them would be of the strongest love, the same likes of a parent-child bond. You may also have permanent astrological clients and referrals in the women you help once they get back on their feet- as one of the important things a client and astrologer need to share are the bond of trust. There is no way an astrologer can help their clients without trust much like a psychologist needs a client’s trust. My point here is that working with women who learn to love themselves and trust you when you show them your advice is the truth, how you aren’t out to take advantage as other people may have at other times in their lives, you will have proven your character, trustworthiness, and genuineness as a mentor and an astrologer.
Do you see how the idea you had in the library tied in with your progressed moon? I wanted to show this to you, because its important to record these kinds of events. What if that day becomes the day you experienced your aha moment? You became inspired with your life purpose and quest? Death isn’t necessariy an indicator of a major event by progression. You would be surprised what comes across in your progressions when you end a cycle and finish another, such as graduation, despite the fact that it is a predetermined date for a group of people.
Also, an important thing for learning astrologers to note (and this idea is NOT new, you can find it expressed in Carol Rushman’s book: Art of Predictive Astrology and Michelle Adler’s “Predictive Astrology”) the Progressed moon is VERY important when indicating timing events. If you keep an astrological diary and look back at all the times something of significance has ever occurred, I would like emphasize that the Progressed Moon was ALWAYS doing something! I guarantee that! That is why I believe that the progressed moon trine your POF exact was significant- its also the first time in my life I have been able to see for myself an active, beneficial POF in action! Congratulations to you, and I am excited to see how you continue to manifest and grow toward your life goals and purpose.
Changes aren’t all life changing though. An example of a change I had was when I first dyed my hair blonde- my moon by progression was sextile my ascendant! So keep track of changes, and days that were strong for your emotionally too as you were right, progressions are internal, but manifest themselves externally too. For example, your first kiss, date, or sexual experience, the date you met or broke up with a boyfriend, learning you were accepted into college would be the kind of thing to look at with your progressions. Also injuries, car accidents, things like that are generally involving a mars progression already underway, but will manifest itself when the moon makes a progression.
So for example with this grand trine you have, you have a few things that are being activated by progression. The progression can affect you for 6 months or 3 years depending on the planets and how much they affect your natal chart, whether or not they have a lot of aspects natally or where they are located. So the moon may of triggered some progressions to activate opportunities and situations around you but the progressions may of started to lock into place a year ago- that’s why you look at the moon for timing, they move so slowly sometimes as with Pluto that the energy is very subtle. But the moon will show you when your progressions manifest in your life, and not all of them will be dramatic.
Your progressed ASC. Is also separating from an exact sextile with your natal Chiron by a close orb of 10 minutes. Progressions will continue to have an effect after they separate although generally they are stronger when they are applying. However, again it depends what else is going on.
You mentioned you are in the full moon stage in your secondary lunar progressions, which is coming to completion one cycle and beginning a new one- as an 18 year old you are learning to become an adult and at a young age you seem really mature, probably are working toward your life goals from an earlier age as you enter the role as an adult and begin assuming more responsibilities.
Your nodes are also active by progression- the P2 (secondary prog.) south node is conjunct the natal north node, thus opposed the natal south node and vice versa. Because the P2 northnode is also exact on your southnode, it means its also conjunct your natal MC, showing a flow of energy- combining what you need to know with what you already know instinctively and inspiring to meet your life goals and higher callings.
Outer planets by progression that hit the inner personal planets are the strongest indicators of changes experienced in progressions. Your P2 Uranus is applying a square to your natal moon, nestled in 5 deg. Aries in the 1st house stellium you have in Aries. Moon natally is also conjunct natal POF with a tight orb of 3 deg. Squares can be tough, but also denote action. Moon is the other nurturer ruled by Cancer and I can see how independent and rebellious Uranus could also inspire your Aries moon to share with others your instinctive need to be independent- tying in to the Ceres activity that I explained earlier. Although the moon and Ceres don’t touch each other natally, the energy is still transferred as Ceres is at the end of the Stellium which runs from the 28 deg. PIS ascendant to the Ceres in the 28 deg. of Aries.
Progressed Ascendent is also sextile your natal north node and trine your natal south node that we discussed was also activating your trine at the top of your chart with the conjunction of Ur-Vesta- MC- South node.
Do you see how all of these energies are coming together? You have other progressions going on, and I haven’t analyzed all your transits, but I think its interesting to also note that I did notice that Ceres IS transiting your second house in Taurus, and its square exact your sun. Interesting how you immediately picked up on the eating disorders when Ceres is passing through Taurus, where Ceres wants to nurture the hungry and those with food complexes and disorders. So your observation about Ceres streaming in the collective unconscious is correct, and brining the attention of food complexes to the public is an excellent example of how Ceres manifest herself by transit in Taurus.

[lillyjgc]

Ah yes-we were posting simultaneously so that last post (to Kai) had not shown on my screen.
Which is good, because had I read it I may have had something more to add.
All members are free to participate in all discussions Ms Joannski3. You have no right to suggest otherwise.
You may not be aware that you have been exceedingly quick to judge Kai who has been here a long time- much longer than you, giving his insights on this forum. He is a very well informed member who has been researching the quartet in depth for a long time. That you are so dismissive of his valuable input is merely an indication of your own ignorance.
Lillyjgc

[joannski3]

Lilly, before you start calling me arrogant, why don't you take the time and read my post to see who I am addressing, and why don't you check the remarks I was defending myself from-

Kai said that i wouldn't progress as an astrologer from discussing with her. i dno't want to discuss with her because i find her arrogant and insulting. how is it arrogant for me to get pissy when she says i won't progress in my studies because i don't want to debate with her?

do i have the right to ignore internet strangers that attempt to bully me in other threads then follow me and harass me when i find something else to talk about?

how in fact am i arrogant? this is exactly why i left this forum before. there's always a know it all that engages in personal attacks, and others ineveitably butt in.

before you get all hot and critical, why don't you read the rest of what's going on?

for heavens sake

[lillyjgc]

J-he didnt call *you* a *sloppy astrologer*-He was objecting to *sloppy astrology* and he explained that .He in no way has deserved your rudeness.


Lillyjgc

[joannski3]

I'd like to say that the two people who asked me for chart interpretation BOTH has Ceres placed in angular positions in their charts. Arian is a Ceres 1st house Aries, and Venus in Aries and Ceres in 4th house in Aquarius!

I am posting Venus' chart as I'm working on it now, and ANYONE who wants to discuss Ceres in Arian and Venus' charts is free to add anything they want to say.

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[lillyjgc]

Joannski3,
I have just re-read all the threads to which you have been referring above.The statements you have made have no basis in what is on the threads.Readers can judge for themselves.
No one has *accused* you of anything. a few people have *disagreed* with you- that's all- Fortunately that is one of the best things about the forum-new ideas can be raised.
You are suggesting people are *following you* to this thread- pardon me, but I happen to be very interested in Ceres. So is Kai. So is Gaer. So are all the other people participating in this discussion.No-one *owns* the thread they post....No-one *invites* or *uninvites* people to participate on threads. Its a public forum.
You said, above,
* I said i was sorry about 8 times then i get attacked when i go away.*...
When I re-read your posts I did not see any such thing-but I did see Kai apologise to you for the *misunderstanding*.
If you have issues* with kai from some oother forum (or did you mean *thread*?) then maybe you should leave that grievance there. The rest of us want to get back to Ceres.(Unless you wish to hijack this thread as well?)
If so, I will start another thread to discuss Ceres with those who have an open mind and are tolerant of opinions that differ to their own.
Lillyjgc

[joannski3]

OK Venus, here is what I have so far about your chart-

Ceres is angular in your chart, in house 4 and you have some similarities with the way Ceres manifests herself as Arian because she is in the independent and rebellious aquarius- also a universal sign relating to mankind in general, relating to all others despite race, nationality, and social, economic, and cultural boundaries.

Ceres in 4th house signifies an idealized image of the motehr nurturing in home and family. For you, the role as a parent is the foundation of the Chart and life.(for beginners, the foundation of the Chart is the IC, the Imum Coeli, which is the 4th house cusp. the IC is the lowest point in our horoscope, opposed the Midheaven/MC. When lots of planets are around this focal point, you may not get as much public recognition, or the notoriety they deserve and your activities here are private and concealed)

Ceres being in the 4th house AND in a universal sign such as AQ. may manifest herself in your psychology by making you a mother to the world, or whoever comes to the home- such as the mother who takes in "stray dogs and cats" has all the neighborhood children over to the house for dinner after playtime. You probably enjoy having houseguests, and your charm and hospitality is enjoyed by anyone lucky enough to visit you for the weekend. I look at this and smile because growing up I always enjoyed visiting my friends with a parent who had the "Den Mother" mentality, making you feel included as part of the family despite the fact that it could have been the first time we had met. Instinctively, because you value your home, you include others to be a part of your home and they feel at ease relating to you and being in your home.

Your IC happens to be at 24 deg Capricorn, but I want to note that according to the George and Bloch book I've been citing as to where I got the bulk of my literature on the asteroids, that when Ceres is close to the IC, either in 3rd or 4th house, the mythos of Ceres is especially predominant as a psychological foundation- an emotional connection with themes of loss and return of loved ones, or rejection and acceptance. think of the 'empty nest' syndrome, where the parents experience grief and loss when the last of their children leave them alone at home when they pack up to go to school. This would be something that a Ceres close to IC may experience as greater loss and sadness than others.

Also with Aquarius, people with Ceres in this sign identify with nurturing with individuality of Aquarius' ruler, Uranus. Ideally, your mothering experience when you were just a tyke fostered self determination and a recognition of the rights to others. Nurturing is expressed through teaching others to accpet their eccentricities, and themselves, even if they "follow the beat of a different drummer". you would be a cool mom, or are a cool mom, especially for your children because you would encourage your kids to be themselves despite what they may experience among peers at school and societal pressures. What a great confidence booster when the growing tween is discovering his/herself in those awkward years stemming from junior high to high school, to have a nurturer like yourself to encourage him/her to develop own talents and build with own skills rather than keep up with what everyone else may be doing around them. To make matters even better, everyone else thinks mom is cool too, and I imagine if you do have children, you would be a person your kids' friends probably looked up to also, especially if they don't percieve their parents as being "cool enough" to understand where they are coming from.

you know how to teach others to be individuals and grow independently as their own person because for you, self acceptance is gained through following your own original and unique path.

if when you were growing up, you weren't given limits and guidelines adn thus given more freedom than you were prepared to cope with, you could manifest "a rebel without a cause" mentality, especially when younger and upon entering adulthood. If this was the case, a life lesson for you is/was to gain inner control and self discipline so that you can handle the responsibilities of freedom. *****so take note if anyone has a child with the Ceres in Aquarius placement, he/she needs to take care to provide the child with discipline and structure, limits and guidelines. That way the child will be ready for the freedom of adulthood and living alone when the time comes later in life, and will retain the self discipline themselves to live successfully and healthily on their own.

David Bowie is an example given in the Asteroid Goddess book (Demetra George and Douglas Bloch) as being a living example of having Ceres in Aquarius. Bowie is multifaceted and has Ceres also in the creative and expressive 5th house.

Will now work on aspects you have with Ceres regarding your other planets, which includes:

--A trine to the 8th house to a Merc-Vesta conjunction in Gemini
--Venus is sextile Ceres from the 6th house in Aries (of course)
--Jupiter is Sesquisquare Ceres in Virgo from the 12th house
--Ceres is opposed the POF located in the 10th house in Leo... I don't really know how to interpret the POF all the time, but do you see how interesting it is that both you and Arian had POF activity, and in angular houses? Arian has the POF in 1st house in Aries, and seems to be manifesting in showing her how to nurture others as her life's purpose and career they both are manifested together... Your POF is interestingly placed in the 10th house, which could also be energizing as your Ceres as a nurturer. How about this for a try: Ceres in Aquarius also manifests herself as an astrologer, giving clients advice, and opposing the 10th house POF could indicate how being an astrologer is a life goal you have been striving for during your lifetime. you surrounded yourself by other professionals, been conducting your research for years and years for your serial killers and their chart analyses- I'd bet transits and progressions that hit the POF in your chart also relate to the times in your life where you advanced as an astrologer. You probably do nurture people when you interpret charts for them, and they prob feel comfortable asking you for hellp and advice.

I'm going to study and expand on the Merc-Vesta conjunciton in the 8th house, and the sesquisquare with Jupiter. You also have a Quintile (72 deg. exact, orb is 12'), it involves mystical neptune. I don't know much about the Quintile except that its supposed to be a mystical aspect, so I imagine the Quintile with Neptune which is exact is linked to perhaps increased intuition, furthering your talent and ability as an astrologer.

[joannski3]

I don't know if plastic surgery is considered to be under the rulership of Ceres--it seems more Neptunian to me, to be honest--but I believe the underlying reason why so many women are going under the knife to enhance their physical appearance is because they lack self-confidence in who they are, that they unconsciously believe that they are their body. I do not mean to suggest that everyone women who undergoing plastic surgery has this "psychological baggage"--neither did the author, for I have borrowed his words--yet I do believe that the self-love joannski3 described may very well be at the root of this phenomenon.

To repeat a comment from my previous post, the archetype of Ceres needs to be restored into the mass consciousness in order for us all to heal.

Arian Maverick

P.S. I promise that my next post will be more astrological, but I had to share this.

Arian, your post IS ASTROLOGICAL, LOL! I can't wait till you read my interpretation. another synchronicity you will be happy with? My whose post about you is basically encouraging you to find time in your life to volunteer to help women to become self sufficient, self loving, and strong enough to have the confidence in themselves to not undergo the knife for the wrong reason--

this is amazing, i really think this grand trine you have is pointing to your life calling, and you just keep finding more and more clues that are showing you how you are supposed to bring Ceres out again for public education. as Ceres advocate, I am standing by my first impression that astrology and volunteering with these women with self esteem issues would benefit from learning from your independent nurturing side to show these women they can't change their physical experience to love themselves when done for the wrong reason.

i'm so happy i turned you on to Ceres, i can't wait for your feedback!

Joanna

[lillyjgc]

Joannski- I notice you have *strategically* deleted part of your post-to which I referred....cute.I post this so those reading the thread will be aware that some posts now may not appear to be accurate-because the relevant sections have been removed.
As some of your more abusive comments remain,I doubt you removed them due to their *inflammatory nature*...
Nowhere in any of my posts have I referred to you as being *arrogant* so that is your word, not mine.Reading back its very obvious you have *misinterpreted* Kai's remarks, taking his and my comments at a personal level. Kai clearly made the point that he was debating the concepts of Ceres and I personally was under the impression that that is a perfectly okay thing to do on the forum. Stifling discussion and insisting that only one opinion prevails is not a constructive way to participate in a conversation about any subject.You have claimed to be a an avid student of astrology so one would think you would be open to hear and discuss the different perspectives members have on Ceres.
I think we have all been misled by the title of the thread which I at least understood would include a range of comments about Ceres and its character- not just limited to chart interpretations (interesting though they may be)
Lillyjgc

[joannski3]

Theres no room on this forum for arrogance-yours or anyones.

sorry i guess this is where you called me arrogant

i am deleting my posts. why? i am backing off. fight with me again, i'll ignore you. i discussed in a PM wiht Arian and Venus agout interpretint Ceres in charts. i want to practice my chart interpretation with asteroids.

criticize all you want but i'm not hiding, i'm not scared of my comments or being kicked out. you can discuss and debate all you want.

am i required to engage in discussion with someone who calls me a liar, you keep mentioning i have an alleged mentor. you also insinuated that even it it was true, i may not be a great student.

sorry you feel that way. i like listening to opinions. i just like to see evidence to match up. ok?

i'm erasing all my posts now except astrology posts. you may still be able to kick me out though, so keep trying. but i still don't want to debate with people that put me down. i told you why i felt put down, and i wont try again because you said my opionion wasn't true. OK?

[Arian Maverick]

Arian,
I don't think it is very *scientific* to say that because other planets have been ascribed masculine archetypes, women should make a grab for the asteroids!

This is not what I'm saying at all, Lilly. Surely you have heard of the ancient axion, "As above, so below?" You can chide me all you want for being unscientific, but I refuse to allow astrology to descend into a calculation of formulae that can be applied to any particular individual regardless of differences that may exist. I am not suggesting that this is your particular interpretation of the word scientific, but you cannot deny that the word has certain connotations of such. I find it somewhat amusing that you must use this as an insult against my intellect; cannot astrology be both an art and a science?

Also, do you truly believe that it was a mistake for these asteroids to be ascribed female archetypes, that if we had the opportunity to do so, we should go back and correct this? Surely you have studied astrology long enough to recognize the importance of synchronicity, of the events that were occurring during the time a particular body was discovered? I do not believe it was a "mistake" that scientists ascribed these asteroids with the names of goddesses any more than it was a "mistake" that a child was born at the "wrong time." Such mistakes simple do not happen.

Of course we are not limited to the archetypes of the names presented to us, but I believe that they play a certain role; you cannot completely disregard these archetypes even if your personal opinions differ from those of others. Ceres' identity and role in a natal chart isn't yet firmly established, yet I do not think it is possible to win the "fight" to make Ceres a masculine archetype. And what does it matter, anyway, as long as the sign and house placements as well as aspects in the natal chart provide us with greater information about an individual? Isn't this one of the true purposes of astrology?

I do not wish to bicker with you about this topic, for in my opinion, there has been too much of this on the forums as of late; I believe all of our energy can be better applied elsewhere.

Arian Maverick

[Arian Maverick]

Perhaps lilly's suggestion to create a new thread isn't such a bad idea; this way, those who are interested in debating the gender orientation of Ceres or that which Ceres rules can do so.

I believe the bigger problem here has been that the Fixed stars, asteroids and other cosmic objects (http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=59) board is comparatively smaller to most other board; for whatever reasons, these have not been topics that have received as great attention as other areas in astrology, and now that an opening has been made, everyone is each to share his or her opinions.

This is fine, but as this thread has demonstrated, too many differing opinions expressed in one thread leads to aggression. This is partially my fault because when I created this new thread with joannski3's, transferring the relevant posts from the yod thread, I had no idea it would become this popular.

This thread was also created with a few specific purpose in mind, which we probably should have elaborated more clearly. Again, I apologize for the misunderstanding, but this fighting MUST stop or else I will be forced to close this thread and any others in which chaos erupts.

I do not think it is fair that astrologers be forced into debates into which they do not wish to participate, just as it is not fair to expect anyone to post about a topic they do not have particular interest. We are all free members of the forum.

Now, with this stated, what can we do to restore some semblance of peace? I'll create as many different threads about the various "goddess" asteroids as you wish, or members can feel free to do so themselves. I think it would be a good idea to create a new thread to discuss topics that we wish to discuss and devote a thread for each related topic. This way, we can actually expend our energy on a useful venture instead of fighting. Although we would each like to think that we can change another's opinion, we cannot force anyone to do any such thing, and the more aggressive language is used, the less likely a member is to get his or her way.

I am going to create a brainstorming thread and post a link here: Brainstorming Thread - What Do You Wish to Discuss? (http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?p=62064)

Arian Maverick

[starlink]

Oh come on guys, lets cool down a bit. This is not nice. I am afraid that Mercury retro is really causing all of you to misinterprete one another.
Look, Joansski has started a very interesting thread here and she is clearly giving it her all. She is very helpful and spends a lot of time giving interpretaions. There are not many on this forum who are willing to do that right? OK, Kaiousei knows a hell of a lot about "the four" and I always admired his knowledge, not only about these asteroids. Lilly is a great astrologer and gives us always good interpretations and answers (horary) which we need as well, in short, you are all valuable, you are all putting in your knowledge. Please just look at it this way ONLY and dont think about what is (maybe) better or more accurate or whatever. We must give an example to other members of the Forum and getting into heated discussions is not the way to do it. I love this Forum, I enjoy all the subjects being put forth and I just dont see why this has to happen. I must sound like a real granny here and yes, I am. Is this my Ceres side then acting? I want to hug and comfort you all, silly me. Cheers, Starlink

[starlink]

This is partially my fault because when I created this new thread with joannski3's, transferring the relevant posts from the yod thread, I had no idea it would become this popular.


Arian, nothing is your fault! It was a good idea, honestly.
I understand your concern, but really, we only have to accept what others write and not try to figure out where it comes from and other things. It is soooo easy NOT to get into an argument if we could only just try to accept really. I hope we can find a way to reconcile and just go on in a positive way. Cheers, Star.

[Arian Maverick]

I hope we can find a way to reconcile and just go on in a positive way

I hope so too, starlink; perhaps can you join us in the topic Brainstorming (http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?p=62064) thread? I think coming together to discuss instead of debate is the key, at least for now.

I'm thinking that we should also create another one in the Help with the forums and suggestions (http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=22) to discuss how we can all possibly make it out of this Mercury retrograde period unscathed...

Arian Maverick

[starlink]

The Brainstorming thread, I like that. Good for any topic really.
And about getting out of the Mercury retrograde period unscathed, well, like I said, try to avoid misinterpretation. Re-read again what has been written but then from a non-ego point of view or a more understanding and willing to look at someone elses point of view.
It is so simple. Your read something and you dont totally agree with it. Now you can do two things:
1. you start telling the other one he or she is wrong for whatever reason or that you have heard or read or learned otherwise OR
2. you can say: thanks for your comments on this. May I add my own experiences or knowledge about the subject here as well? They are...bla bla bla.
We then have two different oppinions, no fight and everyone can either choose the one or the other or identify with the one or the other way of looking at things.
Now, is this sooooo difficult? I dont think so. Cheers, Starlink

[Kaiousei no Senshi]

before you get all hot and critical, why don't you read the rest of what's going on?

I just had to start here. This is too funny. This is a perfect example of the pot calling the kettle black. What started my original frustration with you was your admitted uninterest in the Uranus thread to take the time to read back over what everyone had said, so you just decide you can hop in and post a list of overused and less accurate keywords for supposed Uranian type people. So, before you go picking at people for not reading and catching the whole story, perhaps you should practice it first. Had you practiced this, you would have seen me refer to myself as a 'young man' who feels Ceres in his chart and thus the usage of feminine pronouns in reference to me would not have occured. That's two instances where you didn't "read the rest of what's going on".

Honesty, if you just want this thread to be you showing off your fancy new software and the philosophies you've blinded accepted through that book and your mentor (not at all attempting to insult your mentor here, I don't know the man nor do I know the ideas he's presented to you, so that wouldn't be fair) but are unprepared to defend claiming them to not be yours to defend, then you just go ahead. I guess some of us were confused and thought that discussion, debate, and comparisons concerning Ceres and perhaps the other Quartet members could be brought up here as well. I guess not. So, perhaps the second thread concerning the philosophy and practicality of Ceres would not at all be a bad idea to separate the personal interpretations from abstract theory.

I do not think it is fair that astrologers be forced into debates into which they do not wish to participate, just as it is not fair to expect anyone to post about a topic they do not have particular interest. We are all free members of the forum.

Perhaps not Arian, but I was actually very shocked to read this coming from you. Look at it practicially. What's the use of posting any kind of ideas if you aren't even going to discuss them? "Here it is...well...that's it."

[Arian Maverick]

Perhaps not Arian, but I was actually very shocked to read this coming from you. Look at it practicially. What's the use of posting any kind of ideas if you aren't even going to discuss them? "Here it is...well...that's it."

There's a great difference between discussing ideas and arguing over them, and until some of the tension on the forums fades, I would like to avoid the former.

There's is no use getting stuck in the past; I am merely making suggestions to avoid such chaos in the future. What have we gained from fighting? Bad feelings and lots of wasted time, primarily.

How can we discuss a topic rationally if each member is primarily concerned with defending him or herself?

There is a way to present new ideas without employing tactics of coercion and aggression.

I am not saying that this is what you were doing, but you have to understand that it is perception that often causes more damage than intention. In other words, I believe it is possible that each member contributing to this thread had the best of intentions for doing so, at least in the beginning, but sometimes the words we say as well as the words left unspoken can be perceived by others as threatening, and one misunderstanding can lead to a chain reaction.

Arian Maverick

[joannski3]

Kai-

Arian is trying to help here. why must you add fuel to the fire?

[Arian Maverick]

I don't think it's a good idea to head down this path...

How can this question possibly be answered? It can't lead to any good; let's focus on something else, perhaps brainstorming new ideas.

I think we'll be alright as long as we can be clear as to the particular purpose of any thread; this way, everyone will be able to explore this fascinating topic in a way in which they are comfortable. Some members thrive on debates, for example, while others shy away from them. I believe we just need to learn to incorporate different styles into discussions.

Arian Maverick

[Kaiousei no Senshi]

There's a great difference between discussing ideas and arguing over them, and until some of the tension on the forums fades, I would like to avoid the former.

I'm not a big fan of bickering either, but I just thought it was strange that discussion was closed off at the get go. Perhaps it was a simple misunderstanding of the term 'argue' in the context I used it in, but even after explaining it, the door came closed.

Kai-

Arian is trying to help here. why must you add fuel to the fire?

This comment also adds fuel to the fire...practice what you preach...

Regardless, I've created a new thread, so the frustrations in this one can end. End of story, close the book. I'm dropping it.

[smilingsteph]

Well, I never looked at ceres, so I am thrilled with this in my new studies!!!
I looked up ceres in a friends chart and he is very intellectual, and always analytical. Takes long trips as he says to recharge his batteries. Loves to give advice. His way of nuturing me is to tell me to refinance something, or to get into long philosophical talks with me.
Go figure his ceres is in Sag in the third house....
Mine is in aries first house aspects to jupiter....fits me sort of, but then add in the gemini, air influences and it takes away from the hand-held nuturing aspect.
Ceres in aries- nurtured by physical activity and moving.....I love to hike, exercise and move in order to clear my head and feel put back together. For me getting moving makes me feel better than in bed resting.
I am thrilled with this because I am excited to get to know the ways I need to nurture myself, even if I already knew this, as it validates my rational for doing things. It fits me pretty well. I wonder how my jupter trine ceres manifests itself?
How interesting!

[VenusInAries]

Thank you Joann for the detailed info regarding my Ceres. Part of it is correct - the stuff about being an astrologer ect. Also the part of being a cool mom.. I encourage kids to be free thinkers..not to follow the "herd mentality" but to be their own person no matter what that is.. A friend of mine (also astrologer) she did something that struck me as fun and decided if I ever got the chance I would do that.. which is when she was about to paint her house what she did was let her house become a canvas for creativity for visiting kids.. I love that idea.. apart of that though might also come from I have aqua on the 5th house of creativity..

My take on ceres in my life.. I have read that ceres in aqua is about being abandoned by the mother.. that I was.. she left me when I was 6 months old.. I pretty much raised myself since I was 6 yrs old.. I like the fact that no religion or things of that nature were forced on me I was able to form my own ideas on those aspect of life and can really say they are my own.. I met my mother when I was 12yrs old and she wouldn't let me leave..beating me daily and telling me she hated me and wish I was never born..I never really developed to much of a nurturing quality always refusing to babysit for friends.. but then I got pregnant when I was 18yrs old and I gave my daughter up for adoption.. again I I think that is my aquarius.. I tried to raise her but realized I was not equipped to do so and that was not someone I owned but her own unique individual and I wanted her to be happy and the best person she could be and I could not lay the ground work for her for that..btw she also has aquarius north node conjunct 10th conjunct my ceres..

I also read..here let me copy and paste it

Ceres in Aquarius: If it's weird, someone with Ceres in Aquarius will be likely to find it nurturing. Being with friends would also be a nurturing experience, and the friends, in turn, will probably feel nurtured. However, the early nurturing received was most likely erratic. When mommy isn't there when the child is crying, the kid has to eventually cut off from the feelings of abandonment. Eventually, the child grows up, starts dating, and, when they really like somebody, up comes the feeling "I need you." That's when they get the great urge to run away. The negative side of Ceres in Aquarius is that it tends to have contact difficulties in intimate relationships.

Okay the part of me running is very true but I always attributed that to other things in my chart..but when things get to close I get going.. that is why the aspect of my boyfriend having uranus and venus conjunct each other is not that disturbing to me lol.. I think it represents me in his life fine.. that anime he draws to him..and when he gets in that mode plus he has aqua rising.. he lets me have my freedom and I don't feel too suffocated..but I will say this is the debate me and other astrologers have had on asteroids.. is that these things can be found in other parts of the chart if you excluded the asteroids..but I don't want to discount them I find them important I definetly find my chiron very important as well as my vestal virgin vesta in the 8th..but just wanted to share my thoughts on how my ceres operates in my chart because that other did resonate so much sorry :( but ty for the time with that. Hopefully this made sense very tired and didn't proof :)

[gaer]

Ceres was in Aquarius from late Mar. of 1967 to late Jan. of 1967, with a short period in late Capricorn as it went Rx. Surely Ceres in Aqua can't mean abandonment, otherwise almost everyone born during that period would have been abandoned. :)

I would look elsewhere for an indication of that. I have some ideas.

But for nuturing, with Ceres trine Mercury with Venus sextile both, I would guess lots of support emotionally and intellectually for others, and not just children. I would simply say that Ceres in Aqua would indicate that you encourage others to be very independent.

I encourage kids to be free thinkers..not to follow the "herd mentality" but to be their own person no matter what that is.. A friend of mine (also astrologer) she did something that struck me as fun and decided if I ever got the chance I would do that.. which is when she was about to paint her house what she did was let her house become a canvas for creativity for visiting kids.

That was exactly what I was thinking. I never wanted kids of my own, though I ended up raising to step-kids, but I've always had the "cool uncle/teacher" reputation. I have Ceres in Leo in the 11th, sextile Sun/Neptune in Libra, in the 2nd. My teaching is about foundations (get the basics, no cheating), but it's also about everything being fun, because if it isn't fun, it just doesn't work for long.

At any rate, this is what I hope we can continue to do. Let's look at charts, keep discussing Ceres in signs, houses, aspects, etc. :)

Gaer

[starlink]

Dear Venus, I am sitting here and think about what you wrote up there. I have Ceres in the 5th house and I absolutely adore children. I dream of finding lost children in the street, taking them home, feed them, bath them, you name it. I would like to have millions in order to help the abandoned children of this world (Rumania for starters...) so when I read that your mother left you at 6 month I just got that feeling again of wanting to help.
I dont know the reason your mother had for abandoning you (you used this word. You did not say:put me up for adoption. So I guess she just packed her bags and left?).

I see a great difference between the two things.that's why I do understand your reasons for giving your child up for adoption. If you never had an example of how to nurture and love a child, than it is indeed wiser to let someone else do it for you. I just wonder why you went back (or had to go back?) to your mother who further abused you.

Your Ceres description is indeed quite accurate if you read it in the light of occurrences in your life, but like Gear wrote, not all children were abandoned with that Ceres in Aquarius, which leads me to believe that the houses and aspects to it must then make the difference if you really think it has to do with Ceres in Aquarius.

Where is your mothers Ceres in her chart, do you know? Would be interesting to see if that also gives a clue as to why she is like that or that it is due to other factors in the chart, like Gear mentioned. (I also believe the other chart factors more than the mere position of Ceres in sign. (But it could give additional insight of course).

Personally I would say (also in the light of what was argued about above) that Ceres is not necessarily feminin and therefore nurturing. I would look at it as a nurturing quality in either man or woman. If some astrologers argue for Saturn as ruler of Ceres, traditionally, that could also be correct as Saturn was seen as the nurturer of the family (ruling the 4th house, not the 10th as we mostly do). So again, not looking at Saturn as masculine, but as a nurturer. I hope I am expressing myself correctly here.

Ceres, seen as connected with Venus and femininity is nurturing and Ceres seen as being ruled by Saturn can be equally nurturing. Therefore I do not want to give it a definite feminine or masculine stamp,but rather a definite nurturing stamp.

So Ceres in my chart, in the 5th, shows nurturing qualities towards children and hobbies (like gardening), something you care for and take care of.
My Ceres is in Aries, so I reach out more , take the initiative to nurture children. Also, I nurture myself when I involve myself in a hobby or when I dance or make love. Ceres is conjunct Venus (ruler of my Sun) so this emphasizes this urge in me.
Then it also trines Pluto , ruler of my Ascendant, making it almost compulsary (yes, I have this overpowering need to take care of my loved one's and universally having concern for the wellbeing of others (ruler of the 5th is Neptune, in the 11th in Libra). Ceres sextiles my Sun in the 6th (maybe I sort of feel it is my duty?).
I really find it very interesting to have this topic as my now I think I am ready to integrate it. Before I was always happy with the basic astrological tools.
Starlink

[VenusInAries]

Thank you for the response Star and Gaer.. yes to be honest I did think of that as far as the time frames and all the people that would need to be abandon by their mothers but that is one of the meanings of Ceres in Aqua that I found myself resonating towards. But yes abandonment has to show else where.. so do asteroids get treated like the slower moving planets then that effect so many at a time?

Well Star as far as my mother goes..I have let go and forgiven in my own way ..I believe she abandon me when I was so little because she herself was 16yrs old.. what did she know about being a mother herself.. as far as her abuse..when I was 12yrs old I had never known my mother.. my grandmother was the woman in my life I called mother but at that age I started asking questions and wanting to understand..so I was the one being a girl becoming a woman that wanted to know my mother and asked to go visit her..

When I did visit her she told my grandmother I didn't want to come back and kept me there ..telling me my grandmother no longer wanted me.. later I had found a stash of letters she kept from me that my grandmother had sent me..that is when I encountered her abuse..that is when I realized that biology does not make one a mother..it's being there for the tears and ball games..but not necessarily giving birth..it's also when I realized that parents aren't goldy icons that walk on water and do no wrong (in my 12yr old head I had her made out to be some saintly angel ..probably my pisces moon) but I realized parents are humans that make mistakes.

With my daughter I was young when I had her..I tried to raise her but at 10 months old ..she laughed all the time..rarely rarely ever cried..and I worried that if she became sad it would be because of me..I felt in my heart at the time I needed her to love me.. and if I used her to make myself feel loved.. how was she ever gonna feel love from me.. It was the hardest decision I ever made but it is one I would do again because it was the right thing for her.. again I saw her has her own unique individual and wanted her to be the best person she could be and that was not something I could give her.

I will say something to Joann's insight into my ceres is I was married for 5 years to a man that already had kids..they did not live with us but he was very involved with their lives and I became close to them and I actually guess I was looked at as the cool mom..but I figured it was because I was not put in a role to discpline them either but I did let them know in my own ways I was always there if they needed anything.. I never tried to control them..had an "open door" policy with them.. which drove my husband crazy because he wanted to control them and force them to pay attention to this that and the other.. and I said the best way is to give them freedom.. and sure enough with me they would approach and listen and talk about stuff they would not with him.. even when his eldest got her first kiss it was not her real mom or him..but it was me she called.. I felt honored :) So I guess there is some cool mom in me :eek: :p

Ceres though and some other asteroids I just have questions on to help us better understand..again is it something that is treated like the slower moving planets and really only comes into play on personal level when it aspect closely to a personal planet? And what about progressions and transits? Again only when it's activating a personal planet? Just throwing out some questions to see how that works in a chart or doesn't work ;)

[starlink]

Dear Venus, thank you for your reply. I am even more appalled by what your mother did to you than after the first post. You see these things happen in Television soaps (I thought, naive me) but holy smoke, keeping letters away, lying to your daughter, taking her away from the person who brought her up, I cant believe it, I just cant and I think you are marvellous that you were able to forgive her (OK, for the abandonment I could too I guess, when she was only 16, hardly an age to bring up a child, but for the other things??? ).
I do hope you were still able to tell your grandmother about all this, I even hope she is still alive. Some people......

I also had a similar experience with the daughters of my recent partner. He has three and two of them email me regularly and tell me all sorts of emotional things that happened between them and the boyfriends, never telling their own mother (and even asking me not to tell their daddy, even though he is the sweetest man you can imagine. He loves them). they even ask me to do horaries for them, so nice. (they are 30 and 32, not the youngest anymore, but still not attached. Have been, but everything broke up for both of them.).

Maybe in the new thread about Ceres that Arian Maverick started you could find more information about Ceres or just pose your questions there. I am also curious as to their workings. Maybe Gear knows, he seems to have more information about this. Otherwise in the internet maybe?

Well, once again, I find you a brave soul. I hope your daughter is in good hands and happy. But I also do have the feeling that you could have made her happy. Maybe you could not have provided for her, but you certainly could have made her happy. I think you can be a good mother in you own way (it shows with your ex husbands kids) Why would she otherwise have laughed at you so often?

Cheers, Starlink

[gaer]

So Ceres in my chart, in the 5th, shows nurturing qualities towards children and hobbies (like gardening), something you care for and take care of.

nurturing qualities—<thumbs up!!!>

My Ceres is in Aries, so I reach out more , take the initiative to nurture children. Also, I nurture myself when I involve myself in a hobby or when I dance or make love. Ceres is conjunct Venus (ruler of my Sun) so this emphasizes this urge in me.

Cool. That's what I was looking for here. Houses, signs, aspects.

Then it also trines Pluto , ruler of my Ascendant, making it almost compulsary (yes, I have this overpowering need to take care of my loved one's and universally having concern for the wellbeing of others (ruler of the 5th is Neptune, in the 11th in Libra). Ceres sextiles my Sun in the 6th (maybe I sort of feel it is my duty?).

Pluto=intensity. :)

Did you adjust your birth-time a little? I have a chart for you with Sag AC, but very close to the cusp of Scorpio/Sag. I thought I got the chart from you or from the forum. Not mentioning any details in case

I really find it very interesting to have this topic as my now I think I am ready to integrate it. Before I was always happy with the basic astrological tools.

I think Ceres is difficult to study because the positive aspects are "in the background". I suspect that there may be countless people who are totally uknown who have Ceres in an important position—teachers, mentors, caring parents. We study charts of famous people. We seldom even HAVE charts for the people who "nutured them". :)

Gaer

[gaer]

[…]so do asteroids get treated like the slower moving planets then that effect so many at a time?

Pallas is slower than Mars but faster than Jupiter. :)

Its year is about four years and seven months. It stays in each sign for an average of about four months, but because of retrograde motion, it will move through more than a degree in three days at it's fastest (around conjunction with the Sun), and almost a degree backwards in four days, at retrograde (opposition the Sun). And it's retrograde more than three months each year.

It can shoot through a sign in a bit more than two months (again close to conjunction wih the Sun), but it also gets "stuck in place" about the time it makes its stations.

So if you think of Mars as personal, you have to decide how "personal" Jupiter is for you. Mars's year is a bit less than two of our our years. Jupiter's is about 12 of our years. Ceres is about in the middle (again about four years and seven monehts), but closer to the speed of Mars than Jupiter.

Hope that helps. :)

Gaer

[joannski3]

Hi Gaer,

I didn't mean abandonment physcially. Fear of abadonement might be a better way to express it. I read the literature on Ceres is the book by Demetra George and Douglas Bloch.

Grief and loss is another manifest for Ceres, sometimes by transit if an occurence with happen that leads to grief, loss, sadness, if you were to go to an astrologer, they would look at Ceres in your chart and compare natal, transits, progressions- what all 3 are doing at the same time.

If you read the mythos of Ceres, she is also the grieving mother after Pluto kidnapped her daugher Pershiphone. I explained the grief and sadness in an earlier post.

EDIT: Just wanted to also add that abandonment was an issue for a child and later on in life when it was placed conjunct the IC, or near it. Otherwise, I tried to elaborate on the part about loss and return of family members- maybe being upset say of children going to college because subconscioulsy they were fearing loss. I think when i said loss/abandonement, not necessarily in extreme measures you see as Venus did (although I suppose Iw as accurate, huh?) but in a sense where say some people hold onto relationships perhaps a little longer than they shouls because they fear abandonment.

I guess i'm trying to say that the fear of abandonment for someone wiht that complex isn't necessariy a real manifestation, its just a fear that could stem from say an unattentive or neglectful mother.

AND YES Ceres is just named a woman, just like Saturn is male and mars is male. i don't want to say that i don't believe this means its femine or has nothing to do wiht men. We all feel this energy, don't necessarity think they are female/male myself. just the way the planets are named. but, that's just my opinion.

[joannski3]

One more thing, Gaer, here is my quote concerning abandonement, it IS to do with house placement, here is what I wrote ( I combined house placement, next to IC and Ceres sign in my inperpretation, mayge i wasn't clear enought, but i copied and pasted what I said about abandonement and houses:

when Ceres is close to the IC, either in 3rd or 4th house, the mythos of Ceres is especially predominant as a psychological foundation- an emotional connection with themes of loss and return of loved ones, or rejection and acceptance. think of the 'empty nest' syndrome, where the parents experience grief and loss when the last of their children leave them alone at home when they pack up to go to school. This would be something that a Ceres close to IC may experience as greater loss and sadness than others.

[joannski3]

Ceres was in Aquarius from late Mar. of 1967 to late Jan. of 1967, with a short period in late Capricorn as it went Rx. Surely Ceres in Aqua can't mean abandonment, otherwise almost everyone born during that period would have been abandoned. :)

I would look elsewhere for an indication of that. I have some ideas.

Gaer- I quoted my statement concerning the fear of abandonement, look at my previous post

But for nuturing, with Ceres trine Mercury with Venus sextile both, I would guess lots of support emotionally and intellectually for others, and not just children. I would simply say that Ceres in Aqua would indicate that you encourage others to be very independent..

Gaer- This is correct, check my post to Venus, this was preliminary, I haven't finished posting her aspects yet. I think i mentioned those aspects in the post and said i would get to them. i work late late hours, its hard for me to get enough sleep, but i post as quick as i can. to try to avoid really long posts, i am trying to add them little by little. its also easier to retain memorty that way. but great observation!

That was exactly what I was thinking. I never wanted kids of my own, though I ended up raising to step-kids, but I've always had the "cool uncle/teacher" reputation. I have Ceres in Leo in the 11th, sextile Sun/Neptune in Libra, in the 2nd. My teaching is about foundations (get the basics, no cheating), but it's also about everything being fun, because if it isn't fun, it just doesn't work for long.

At any rate, this is what I hope we can continue to do. Let's look at charts, keep discussing Ceres in signs, houses, aspects, etc. :)


Gaer, would you like to interpret your Ceres also? PM me your natal info, i'll plug it inot my chart and post it for your feedback. i like to look at the whole chart so i can also see the other things going on- like Venus' Mercury-Vesta for example. i don't use solar fire interpretations, but it helps to erect a quick chart and see the progressions and transits with click of a button.

let me know,

J :)

[joannski3]

Sorry to Starlink and Venus--

thank you for your patience. had so much work this weekend around house i couldn't work much on reports. but will try again tonight.

thanks for your patience, and Venus- all the connections you have with children fit with your interpretation. remember you have ceres in 4th- so when ceres is also about grief and loss, check your ephemeris, you will likely see ceres being hit by transit, correlation, or having some transit planets share the exact same degree. have no time have to go to work, but the sadness in your family likely resonates from ceres 4th house

[Arian Maverick]

I'd like to jump in here sometime too, but I don't want to divert the spotlight entirely upon myself; perhaps gaer and I can compare experiences with Ceres since we both have her in Aries? Do you suppose that there is any common theme with this placement, or is sign position more important?

I'll also have to take a look at Venus in Aries' chart; I've never thought of the Aquarius influences being one of abandonment, but if Ceres is afflicted, perhaps this could explain Venus' experiences--especially if Ceres is afflicted in the fourth house.

EDIT: I don't know why this image just popped in my head, but whenever something comes to me so suddenly, I've learned it's best to share no matter how ridiculous it may sound. I was thinking about the sign of Aquarius and its mascot, the water bearer a few minutes ago, and the image of Moses drifting across the river entered my mind. He too was "abandoned" by his mother, but she wished for him to have a better life. Indeed, if my memory serves me right, he was given a chance at a much better life indeed when the Queen of Egypt found him and welcomed him into her home. This story reminds me greatly of Venus in Aries putting her daughter up for adoption, not out of a sense of not caring for her child, but out of a desire to give her a better life. I don't think Moses' parents felt they could have properly provided for the child during the time, so they let him drift in the waters of Aquarius to find a better home.

I hope Venus in Aries is not insulted by this story; I'm having some difficulty explaining my thoughts and feelings, but believe me when I have nothing but respect for your decision and how difficult it must to make the correct decision. And you never really know, do you? I wonder how Moses' parents felt...

Somehow, and you've probably sensed this as well, I feel that this experience was directly related to your own regarding your mother, except when she held on tightly to you and didn't let you access letters, you were able to let your daughter go. I do not have much experience with adoption, but I can only imagine that your daughter's transition was much less difficult and much less traumatic than your own.

I know we're getting a bit off topic, but I'm also sensing that Chiron may be involved in this as well. I suppose healing can be an attribute of any planetary placement, but I think I may be connecting to your natal Ceres through my fourth house Chiron in Cancer, conjunct my Nadir. Obviously the energies are different, but I truly believe it is through one's greatest wound can one provide one's greatest gift, and I believe you have a lot to offer the world, Venus :)

Perhaps the lesson is a need to learn how to mother oneself? I'm just musing here; odd thoughts enter my mind during late hours...

Arian Maverick

[VenusInAries]

Thank you Arian actually the imagary for Moses and his mother was very touching and no need to apologize for explain further I thought it was perfect.

Ty Joann I think yes I will check out any transits to ceres at those key moments in my life and see if anything pops up.

Having a bad night sorry going to keep it a bit short. But wanted to be considerate and give a response :)

[joannski3]

i'm going to post an apology here.

i am sad that everyone thinks i'm rude and arrogant. i wasn't trying to be, but i feel like an outsider because nobody seems to understand my point of view, or assume i'm attacking them. i do get defensive when i feel attacked, but for the record, i wasn't trying to be a jerk to Gaer i was trying to extend a hand of friendship. Since gaer isn't in the thread i'm sending Gaer an apology because it wasn't intended to be hostile.

i think i'll go find another forum sorry for all the trouble:(

[Hex Astrology]

i think i'll go find another forum sorry for all the trouble:(

Don't make this decision. It's Mercury retrograde, after it goes direct we are all going to forget, it always happens when it comes to this planet.

You can stay here a bit longer and let things calm down. Bad things don't last long in Mercury Retrograde.

[Arian Maverick]

I'm sorry that this thread isn't turning out so well; I definitely appreciate your lengthy interpretation of my natal Ceres since it is an astrological archetype that I had been unfamiliar with until the creation of this thread, although of course, I have heard of the myth of Persephone being taken into the underworld and remembered that Demeter was Persephone's mother. I assume that Demeter and Ceres are one and the same, the Greek and Latin names of the same goddess?

I presently am at school and have a Sociology quiz to study for, yet when I return home, I promise that I will begin to reply to your interpretation, which I have found very helpful and accurate. For one thing, you helped me realize that the synchronicity with the magazine articles I described in previous posts may very well be, in hindsight, an impetus towards a future career or at least a possible area of interest. I am particulary inclined towards the study of psychology and can really empathize with women who perceive themselves to be something that they are truly are not to others' more objective eyes. Of course, I am referring to eating disorders which so distort an individual's thinking that he or she is convinced of their "obesity," and all they can see are flaws. Food is sustainance, both physical and emotional, and one's relationship with food can be indicative of some psychological complexes. I do not mean this in a negative way, because I believe that everyone suffers from some psychological complex or another, even if it is only to a minor degree.

I have better abandon this line of thinking before I become too destracted upon theory; suffice to say that I believe I could instil some confidence into these women with proper training and experience, although I cannot imagine that this is an easy task, for change must always come from within, and the role of a psychologist or any other psychological worker is not necessarily to force change upon the individual, but rather, coax them to see themselves in a different light and to recognize that some patterns of behavior may actually be maladaptive and to their own detriment. My goodness, I really sound like a psychologist now, don't I? :o

Right now, I am trying to determine how these thoughts relate to the Ceres archetype and how this archetype could have possibly manifested itself into the cultural consciousness in such a negative way. I believe that positive examples of the Ceres archetype do exist, of course, and it might precisely be these positive Ceres characteristics that are needed to correct and transform negative Ceres characteristics, or rather, characteristics that may be developed when there is a lack of a Ceres role model in a young person's life.

Again, I must get to my studies, but I will return in a few hours' time with a more detailed and specific reply to your interpretation.

Thank you again :)

Arian Maverick

[Arian Maverick]

Alright, I'm back as promised--albeit a bit later than I intended.

I hope you don't mind if clearing up a few technical things before I dive in:

First of all, lets start with house placement. Ceres is in the 1st house, and lets note part of an extremely important grand trine: Uranus-Vesta in 5 deg Capricorn in 10th and Juno in 25 deg Leo in 6th. It’s a unique grand trine because its made up of asteroids, but also in that they are all placed in ANGULAR HOUSES. Lets quickly add a note here for beginners- when interpreting a chart, make sure to take a note of which planets are located in angular houses, these are the planets that will have the most impact on a person’s psychology.

I understand how planets located in angular houses may express themselves more readily in an individual's psychology, yet Juno is not in an angular house according to the house system I'm using, and in addition to having a rather wide ten-degree orb with Juno, Vesta is not in the same fire triplicity as Ceres and Juno. I'm a bit of a stickler for orbs, so much so that I don't consider my natal Uranus to square my Sun-Venus-Mercury conjunction because it is slightly outside the ten-degree orb; therefore, I'm I'm a bit reluctant to give asteroids a wide orb of influence. I respect your right to your own interpretation methods, especially since I am not as familiar with asteroids as you are, yet I would certainly appreciate to learn your philosophy regarding out-of-sign aspects and orbs.

Ceres in Aries 1st house is like a packed punch of independence and autonomy. 1st house placement implies projection of one’s personality as nurturing, sympathetic, concerned for others. May identify w/role of being a mother/parent (even if its not literally YOUR children- perhaps you are the ‘mother hen’ when it comes to your group of friends?

I've never had a particularly large group of friends, and this small number has only decreased as my friends went off to different schools, yet I've never felt like I've had much of a "role" with them. If someone was upset, I would try to comfort them and assist to the best of my ability, but the role of the comforter in such situations does not come naturally to me; I tend to feel awkward.

Yet I do care a lot about other people in general, and I tend to notice when people I don't even know are upset although, again, I'm never sure what an appropriate response would be in such a situation. However, I often show people I care in small and somewhat impersonal ways, such as by lending a pencil or pen to anyone who needs one during an exam, e-mailing class notes and assignments if someone asks me to in advance, and even organizing a trip down to the library in order to copy and distribute assignment sheets other students had lost. You have probably noticed that a lot of this has to do with academics, yet this has always been the way I feel I can best help people--by helping them with their work. It's kind of dorky, I know, but I sometimes feel uncomfortable displaying my sensitivity and vulnerability to others through displays of affection, so I channel it in other ways. Do you feel this is related to Ceres at all, or did I just go off on an unrelated tangent? :rolleyes:

People are naturally drawn to you and I will elaborate more on this later- it comes from your Uranus placement).

I was originally surprised by this statement because I had thought of Uranus as a somewhat erratic and therefore possibly repelling influence, yet it makes sense that the influence could be magnetic. I think my above comments make a bit more sense when I think of them in the context of Uranus and its association with Aquarius, which is often accused of being an impersonal sign. Aries, too, sometimes has difficulty relating to others on more than a basic level, yet the difference is that I naturally do feel for people; I just have difficulty expressing it in overt ways to those who are not in my immediate circle of family and very close friends.

I'm not sure if you noticed this upon examination of my chart, but I believe Uranus has extra significance in my chart not only due to its position conjunct my Midheaven, but also because it is stationary retrograde and out-of-bounds by declination.

I don't want to get too sidetracked from the topic of Ceres, though.

Ceres is first of all trine a conjunction at the top of the grand trine in the tenth house between Uranus and Vesta both in 5 deg. Capricorn. I’d like to also tell you that you have some exciting things going on right now regarding your progressions. Your instincts were right, Ceres is being activated right now, and I’ll explain how so after I’m done w/this interpretation. The energy that is being shared between the planets is quite unique and very powerful. Uranus is strengthening Aries’ independence by providing a strong sense of individuality. You also have the potential to universalize the nurturing impulse in humanitarian activities.

When I originally read through this interpretation, the phrase humanitarian activities really struck me, but I couldn't remember why until now; this is a phrase used a lot in conjunction with the sign Aquarius, and for the first six months of my astrological studies, I thought I had an Aquarius Ascendant. In fact, I related so well to a description of an Aquarius Ascendant that I chose to incorporate it into my screen name when I registered to the forums more than two years ago; I borrowed the word maverick from this Ascendant description and created the pseudonym Aquarian Maverick. When I discovered that I had received the incorrect time of birth from my mother--she had confused my time of birth with my brother's--I took out the first three letters of my screen name and became Arian Maverick.

I know I have wandered from the archetype of Ceres yet again, yet I believe this may all be related in how I relate to and express the Ceres energy. I think it is significant, too, that the Aquarius/Uranus energy was the first energy in my chart that I identified with despite my abundance of Arian energy.

I'm really stretching far now, but I studied numerology before I studied astrology and I've always related to my nine life path (http://www.astrology-numerology.com/num-lifepath.html#9). The second sentence in this interpretation reads:

The key to the nature of a Life Path number 9 person is found in their humanitarian attitude.

Therefore, I think you've definitely hit on a theme here :)

. I think its quite important that you saw the article about the eating disorders, and no surprise that you were drawn to it. As you will see when I elaborate and explain the progressions you are experiencing, volunteer work where you can nurture others right now, and make the most of your Arian energies. The Ceres aries individual nurtures others through promoting their self-sufficiency and self determination. Its also good to bring to your attention in a side note that the Ceres-Aries individual needs to also receive the same experiences from their significant other. Despite the fact that you don’t feel like literally having a baby, you can still use your knowledge and strength as an independent woman in nurturing other women, teaching them how to be strong independent women- not victims of low self-esteem , how to love themselves and overcome societal pressures.

Despite the difficulties I have described previously, I think I could actually strike an ideal balance between becoming too emotionally involved in the women's lives and emphasizing with their difficulties. Perhaps the thin barrier I have erected could actually work to my advantage by allowing me to retain some objectivity while working with a highly emotional and subjective issue?

Uranus is also extremely intuitive and a good indicator of a good astrologer with its wonderful placement in the grand trine, and sitting atop the 10th house, with the Ceres aspect, you would love to share your knowledge and your natural gifts as well regarding astrology and relating to others with others. It could for sure become a big part of your life, especially right now your progressions are indicating that you are learning about your higher calling, spiritual path.

I have read that this house placement of Uranus can be indicative of some interest or aptitude in astrology, but I never considered astrology as anything other than a hobby. How wonderful it would be to gain enough skill and knowledge to be able to assist others just as you are assisting me :)

Natally your South Node is conjunct your Midheaven (this is why I like to see the whole chart- everything works together. I’m against the computer generated interpretations because they don’t take into consideration the big picture, just the 2 planet aspects it analyzes at a time). If you believe in past lives, the south node here is probably a good indication that you are so at ease at astrology because you may have been doing the same thing in a past life. It just comes naturally to you because if you ‘remember’ your knowledge, even if its just on a subconscious level, you will still be comfortable and talented with astrology, and others will pick up on this and be drawn to you also for help.

Unfortunately, I became a bit lost here; I believe in past lives and have had an inkling that I may have had some contact or passing interest in astrology in another incarnation, yet according to the natal chart I have created for myself, my South Node is in my sixth house, not my tenth.

Uranus in this trine will suggest innovative and original approaches toward caring for others and developing family structures. This is often an indication of someone who advocates human rights and a highly developed intuition concerning human nature. This enables you to establish a rapport with people of various races and nationalites. You may also be an advocate of supporting childrens’ rights and individuality.

I would like this very much; it also corresponds quite well with another part of the nine life path description I quoted earlier, so again, you seem to be on-target :)

For fear of boring the readers of this thread to tears, I will stop with this response for now, but I would like to continue it if you and others don't mind.

Then perhaps we can discuss Ceres in a more general way so others may participate as well. I don't want my chart and my experience to dominate this thread; that would be awfully Arian of me! :o

So please, someone, jump in where you can; if I have said anything that you relate to and have a similar Ceres placement or aspects, perhaps we can discuss the influence together.

Arian Maverick

[starlink]

Hi Gear, I think Joanne meant something else with this than you thought:

if you were to go to an astrologer, they would look at Ceres in your chart and compare natal, transits, progressions- what all 3 are doing at the same time.


I think she meant to say: Anyone who decides to go to an astrologer would probably notice, that the Astrologer would look at Ceres in their horoscopes etc. etc. She did not mean that you should go to an astrologer. At least that is the way I perceived it.

And Joanne,
think i'll go find another forum sorry for all the trouble:(

PLEASE DONT! Hex is right, lots of misunderstandings with this retrograde Mercury. It is often very hard to understand the tone in a written sentence. One perceives it like this, the other like that. So stay with us, you are OK, really.

Starlink

[enigmas]

come on people! let's blame retro mercur for evrything bad...don't be nervous:) I'm reading posts and only I can see is misunderstandings ;)

Joanna, nice analyses! It is very nice from you shearing your knowledge :)

[gaer]

Hi Gear, […]
I think she meant to say: Anyone who decides to go to an astrologer would probably notice, that the Astrologer would look at Ceres in their horoscopes etc. etc. She did not mean that you should go to an astrologer. At least that is the way I perceived it.

I think you're right. :)

Ah, the horrors of Mercury Rx. :(

Let's also watch out for Mars/Pluto in opposition (transit), which is so intense and increases the danger of people of being too quick on the attack. ;)

Gaer

[gaer]

i do get defensive when i feel attacked, but for the record, i wasn't trying to be a jerk to Gaer i was trying to extend a hand of friendship. Since gaer isn't in the thread i'm sending Gaer an apology because it wasn't intended to be hostile.

As I said to you in a PM, let's start again. Clean slate. We should all be careful to avoid personal attacks and stick to astrology!

Gaer

[iamsomecool]

http://www.astro.com/tmpd/c6o8file1BSQXJ-u1167462715/astro_2gw_01_chris_hb.1154.18910.gif (http://www.astro.com/cgi/showgif.cgi?lang=e&gif=astro_2gw_01_chris_hb.1154.18910.gif&res=100&va=&cid=6o8file1BSQXJ-u1167462715)

[stardust_seizures]

Just have one request. Its easier for me to plug and play your birthday info into my solar fire software, pull up a wheel and look at your chart rather than read the names of the planets and the degrees. I'm naturally a more visual learner and although I'm seeing what you typed in, it feels like i'm *listening out loud* because I'm reading. If you share your birth info, the time, date, and location of course I can type it in and have your wheel up in less than a minute.

For those of you who wanted to discuss Ceres in their horoscope, PM me your birth info so that I can put it in my solar fire and pull up your chart. For the newbies- I cannot do an interpretation w/o exact birth time, I need to know what house Ceres is in, Its so important. I will post a list tomorrow to of who is in line, and meanwhile as we learn together we can share our insights on the charts I post.

Thanks again for your interest!

Joanna

im not sure if your still taking requests, but id be very very grateful if you could help me out with understanding ceres in my chart:

name:eden
DOB: August 25, 1990
Time: 5:00 PM
Birthplace: Winchester, Virginia (haha im a virgin virgo from virginia)

im pretty sure ceres is in my 8th house, with the sun and mercury in virgo...

so, if your not taking requests anymore, my bad...but if so...thanks a bunch, really, you rock :)