Trying to rectify chart

[Neptune Rising]

Hi

Ive been trying to do this for ages. My Mum reckons I was born 4am-6am.

I lost my job today so Im trying to ways to rectify the chart. When I move it an hours, the Moon moves to 7 degrees Pisces.

I've moved the chart so transiting Saturn exactly opposes natal Moon on the day of the job loss - so birth time would be 5.25am. Transiting Moon was conjunct natal North Node too though.
Moon rules 8th house, Saturn rules 2nd house.

Or, could I use the Venus/Jupiter conjunction which squared my MC on that day? The exact square would make the birth time 5.01am.
Jupiter rules Asc, Venus rules MC

Ive got it at 5.15am now because Chiron is 6 degrees away from IC, in the 4th house, and my parents got divorced when I was 6.

Does anyone have any tips a good way to go about this?
I know Ive probably made this sound more complicated than it need be.

Many thanks.
NR

[Neptune Rising]

this is the 5.10am chart
http://img111.imageshack.us/img111/6044/janatal501amyr0.th.gif (http://img111.imageshack.us/my.php?image=janatal501amyr0.gif)

and the 5.25am chart
http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/2615/janatal515amjo3.th.gif (http://img153.imageshack.us/my.php?image=janatal515amjo3.gif)

thanks for looking, I really appreciate any tips at all.
thanks
NR

[EJ53]

Hi NR,

The best approach to rectification that I have come across so far involves progressing (day-for-a-year) all house cusps, using a Placidus natal chart. It works on the assumption that both points of an axis line are affected when one moves over a natal planet, cusp, etc. (So, if you change careers - you often change homes; if you have an image makeover - you often attract a new partner and so on.)

However, I have never been able to rectify a chart satisfactorily myself.

[Lin]

Personally, I'd feel comfortable with this chart:
"Or, could I use the Venus/Jupiter conjunction which squared my MC on that day? The exact square would make the birth time 5.01am."

Rectifying is a **** shoot. When someone gives me a time within 2 hours, I usually use the median time.
BUT.... why can't you find your time of birth? 1975 wasn't that long ago. Surely the record of your birth is somewhere.... I don't know how it is in England, but in the U.S. we are given a birth certificate, which may or may not have the time on it.
BUT.... if one requests a copy of one's "birth record" from the bureau of records in either the Sate of birth or the county of birth, one receives (for a fee) a copy of the 'record of birth' which includes details of the the birth including time, place, etc, and also of the names, address etc, of the parents and if there are previous children, how many, ages etc.
I'd try harder to find your birth record if I were you.
You'll always wonder about the time.
And if you intend to use your chart for the purposes of transits and progressions, in other words if you are going to use your chart to give you information in the future, you definitely want the most accurate chart possible, even if it takes some time and effort to get.
LIN

[Neptune Rising]

Thank you very much for the replies!

Its such a headache, LIN, your right, I'll never rest until I know. I'm too curious about progressions and preditive methods. Its not on the birth certificate. I have emailed the hospital where I was born and asked. Im going to try the National Archives bureau too. I'll be a detective!

EJ, I'll try that. Do you move the planets along anti clockwise?

I might try swinging a pendulum to round it off.

Thank you both for your kind help.
NR

[Neptune Rising]

Nothing to show a job loss, but Jupiter applies to ssx both Mecury and Venus, supposed rulers of the 6th...which would show a job knocking on your door.

Hey thanks Coffee
Interesting, tr Jupiter is in exact semi sextile with natal Venus today. And tr Venus is exact conjunct natal Sun tomorrow. I had a job interview yesterday and another one on Friday. Ooo Im a bit excited!

I'm trying to wrap my head around this rectification. :confused: I'll get there in the end..
thanks
NR

[EJ53]

Hi NR,

I'm with Lin on this one - but, if you are going to try progressing the house cusps :-

1 - Draw up a natal Placidus chart for 5.15am/or your best bet so far.

2 - Progress the chart using day-for-a-year (house cusps/planets move anti-clockwise : signs move clockwise)

3 - Look for progressed cusp to progressed planets and to natal planets

4 - Also look for progressed cusps changing signs. These can be times when the affairs of the house are transformed/changed significantly in some way

5 - Also look for progressed cusps moving over critical degrees. These bring a significant (but tempory/transitional) change in the affairs of the house

6 - The aspect indicates the ease/difficulty of the event concerned

7 - Often more than one house cusp/axis is active at the same time. This is especially helpful if you can pinpoint those years when a lot was going on. So, new relationship - 1/7 axis : new career - 4/10 : death - 2/8 axis : New course of study - 3/9 axis : New website/creation - 5/11 axis : co-worker problems/difficulties at work - 6/12 axis.

8 - After identifying the event(s), use progressed moon/inner planet transits to pinpoint the day/period involved

9 - When you have several hits over the lifetime to-date, rectify the chart time accordingly.

If you can crack rectification, this seems to be one of the few moneyspinners in modern astrology - because most of us would rather pay someone else to do it than suffer the misery ourselves. On the other hand, I suspect that (like chart interpretation) it becomes more intuitive each time you do one.

[Neptune Rising]

Thanks Coffee, yea it must be an earlier time to be Venus 6th, and the Chiron is definately in the 4th.

EJ, thank you, thats wonderful information! Well I see what you mean, it would be easier to pay someone! Im going to give it a go. Wow, Id be scared if had to do it all mathmatecally.

Thank you gratefully for your help!!
NR

[sheila]

neptune rising.
Was it jan 2 2008 you lost your job.
Do you have more accurate dates you would like to post.

[Neptune Rising]

Hi Sheila

I really appreciate your response!

They gave me "notice" on Friday 1st Feb 2008.
They then asked me to leave the office on 5th Feb in an explosive way.
I have other dates..
I started that job 19th March 2007.

Previous to that..
I started previous job 10th June 2003
Finished previous job 22nd Feb 2007

I qualified as a yoga teacher 25th September 2004

Started holistic massage course 9th Feb 2008

I dont know if that helps, thanks for your help though, im very grateful
NR

[EJ53]

NR

This is also being looked at on :-

http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?p=63908#post63908

[Arian Maverick]

I don't know if I want to combine the two threads since this one has already created, but the thread may draw some attention to this one--and perhaps we can attempt to use some of the techniques described to rectify your own natal chart ;)

Arian Maverick

[Radu]

Hi EJ53 - I loved your post and your ideas. How do you calculate those progressed cusps for different birth times. Do you have a certain software that does that automatically?
I use Janus that has rectification features with a quadruple wheel with transits, progressions and solar arcs on the outside and the natal chart inside, but it shows only the progressed angles, not the other house cusps as well. Rectification is already hard it shouldn't be made harder by the lack of appropriate tools...


Hi NR,

I'm with Lin on this one - but, if you are going to try progressing the house cusps :-

1 - Draw up a natal Placidus chart for 5.15am/or your best bet so far.

2 - Progress the chart using day-for-a-year (house cusps/planets move anti-clockwise : signs move clockwise)

3 - Look for progressed cusp to progressed planets and to natal planets

4 - Also look for progressed cusps changing signs. These can be times when the affairs of the house are transformed/changed significantly in some way

5 - Also look for progressed cusps moving over critical degrees. These bring a significant (but tempory/transitional) change in the affairs of the house

6 - The aspect indicates the ease/difficulty of the event concerned

7 - Often more than one house cusp/axis is active at the same time. This is especially helpful if you can pinpoint those years when a lot was going on. So, new relationship - 1/7 axis : new career - 4/10 : death - 2/8 axis : New course of study - 3/9 axis : New website/creation - 5/11 axis : co-worker problems/difficulties at work - 6/12 axis.

8 - After identifying the event(s), use progressed moon/inner planet transits to pinpoint the day/period involved

9 - When you have several hits over the lifetime to-date, rectify the chart time accordingly.

If you can crack rectification, this seems to be one of the few moneyspinners in modern astrology - because most of us would rather pay someone else to do it than suffer the misery ourselves. On the other hand, I suspect that (like chart interpretation) it becomes more intuitive each time you do one.

[EJ53]

Hi Radu,

Thanks for the comment. I use the software of a UK based company called Astrocalc. It has no designated rectification features but allows a chart to be progressed in its entirety using day-for-a-year. A "next" feature then enables me to step through the progressions from year-to-year and I can call up any of these in a two wheel chart to compare against natal positions. But, I do not attempt rectification myself as I've never had much success with it.

[Neptune Rising]

Thanks EJ, thats very kind of you to point that out.

Its fascinating to try and work out, even for one as scattered as me. Even considering the house lords, transits to them, progressed lords, wow!!

best wishes
Neptune

[PumpkinPie]

If you know your mothers birthtime and if you are the first son or daughter check the son/daughter Arabic parts in your mothers chart. You will likely have your Ascendant shown there. If you then match the time when your Ascendant is the same as your mums son/daughter Arabic part you will get a birth time that is surprisingly accurate from my testing.

There are MANY ways to rectify a chart, but much of it generally involves progressions or solar arcs. Above I have described a technique which is quick, easy and shockingly works more often than not. I have heard some say that the Actual sun sign was indicated with the Arabic Parts but that was NOT the case in my testing.

Good Luck

[astro.teacher]

There are some othe rectification methods you may want to try using;

http://www.antiquus-astrology.com/Chap5-1.html

[Neptune Rising]

Thanks Astroteacher, I appreciate the link, very interesting!
I have looked at Animodar of Ptolemy, and had a go at that. If for example, I found the New Moon before my birth was 21.35 degrees Capricorn, then I looked at Ptolemy's table finding Mars is in exhaltation(28) and in terms at that degree. Would Mars then be on my Ascendant? Or would I make the Ascendant 21 degrees? Ah but Saturn is the ruler of Capricorn, the sign with the highest dignity in Capricorn (I think thats higher than exhaltation), so would I make the Ascendant 14 degrees? I've got the Ascendant at 14 degrees currently, I'll also keep an eye out for when planets cross it and see what happens!
Best wishes
NR

[Neptune Rising]

Hi Pumkin
Ahh I wish I knew my Mum's birth time, she doesn't know. Great suggetion though, thanks very much! I did have a look at the arabic part of 'mother' though, I'll try using that as her ascendant and see what I find.
I appreciate your help, very kind!
Best wishes
NR

[Neptune Rising]

Pumpkin Pie, using the part of mother 6 degrees Cancer as my Mum's Ascendant, that gives her her Part of Fortune conjunct my Sun. Maybe I've found my Mums birth time instead! :)

NR

[astro.teacher]

Mars has more dignity in Capricorn than Saturn. 21 degrees Capricorn gives Mars Exaltation (+4) Term (+2) and Face (+1) which is 7 in total, where Saturn only receives +5 for House.

From this information, you look to which angle (Midheaven or Ascendant) that Planet (Mars) is closest too. If it is no less than 11 degrees close to either of these angles, the birth time is correct, if tis not then rerectify until it is and there you will have the true birth time. Hope that helps!

[Neptune Rising]

Thanks very much Astroteacher, thats a great method, Mars is about 10 degrees from the Ascendant so the birth time is correct.

Best wishes
NR

[Arian Maverick]

I'm a bit wary of the Animodar of Ptolemy and the Tritune of Hermes because I have attempted to use them to rectify my own chart and the charts of others and have sometimes received implausible results. If these methods confirm transits and progressions and such, great, but I wouldn't use them as the sole method of rectification.

Arian Maverick

[Neptune Rising]

Thank you Arian, I'll use it as an estimate. Those other methods beat me, I'm not very mathmatecial, I admire those that can do work with them they have much more patience than I.

:D According to the chart I've got so far, the Asccendant/Descendant is 14 degrees, and Venus is exactly on the Des. I had two guys I know ask me out this evening. Nothing from them for ages then that! Its tricky though because everything seems to be around 14 - 18 degrees Gemini now. That could even be the Mercury conjunct the Descendant.

I appreciate everyones views here, everyones been really helpful and I'm grateful.:)

NR